To help you in your calculations there are 7000 grains in a pound. If you shoot 70 grain loads, you'll get about 100 shots. You'd get exactly 100 with no waste.
just a little tip for pyrodex, I use a clear ketchup bottle with a cone top like you'd see at a restaurant and you can give it a couple little squeezes and it comes out alot nicer. there only like a buck at walmart for 2 of them and they work great for me
Dave, great idea. Have you considered making the thing a couple of inches longer (the full length of the chamber) so you could load it like a shotshell outside the firearm (removing the need for a long ramrod)? Seems to me like it would be a bit less complicated that way
I would like to see a video where you demonstrate how to load different types of loads. I'm particularly interested in learning about buckshot, buck and ball, and slug loads. A loading chart similar to a reloading manual that lists powder and shot measurements would also be useful.
I dont wanna be unprofessional and cuss or anything........but that Sir, is why you are the fn man!!!! Love it and getting one for sure. Never cease to amaze me brother, never!
Dave - Several times now I've thought that I have learned all that I can from you. Then you go and teach me something I never knew existed. It is really surprising to me, how much information you have to offer. Thank you sir.
The choke is at the end. Some shotguns are threaded on the end & you can screw in different chokes. I keep the different chokes in the stock like some people store extra shells in the stock.
if you're using the bore size to figure out how much powder you're using, it's about 100 shots per pound of powder. 7000 grains in a pound, 70-72 grains of powder as per bore size of .729 means 97-100 loads.
Would you happen to know if this is still safe to use in a 3 and 1/2 inch chamber? I have a NEF Pardner and would love to have one of these. But it doesn't specify on the Short Lane website if it's safe with 3 1/2. Some of them say only 2 3/4 or 3, but the 12 gauge doesn't say either way.
You CAN shoot slugs out of a full choke. Accuracy MAY be SLIGHTLY affected depending on your individual gun, but there is zero danger involved. The hot lead squeezes right out of the end of the barrel with zero problems whatsoever. I have done it many many times and I know older men who have done it for years and years with no problems. One of the biggest misconceptions I hear about shotguns/choke sizes is that it is dangerous to shoot slugs out of a full choke. People say that you could blow the muzzle apart, or blow the interchangable chokes out of your gun if you have those, or that your gun could just blow up in your face. Completely ridiculous. IT IS PERFECTLY SAFE TO SHOOT SLUGS OUT OF A FULL CHOKE. Please note that i have no experience with shooting Powerbelts or any type of solid copper slugs out of a full choke. I am talking about lead foster-style slugs ie. Remington Sluggers.
owning several H&R's and a rossi , and having shot slugs i FULLY AGREE with your repeated "MODIFIED CHOKE" . slugs or similar deform too much to be accurate . even with bead only sight , my 20ga is quite accurate to 40yd easily . i havent tried black powder yet , but certainly will be . the Oring is excellent idear to keep a slight seal and prevent blowback .
oh man, seeing that single shot pardner again, i grew up slingin lead down range out of a pardner exactly like that, that gun can take a beating and throw lead before the barrel warps, good choice Dave !
Great item but I would like for the adapter to be longer so it could be loaded and then inserted into the gun for firing. That way, you could load with a short ram rod. You could also have more than one adapter loaded with different charges.
What choke do I need again?? HAHA Seriously though, isn't it .690" Roundball for a 12 Ga.? I have a H&R Single Barrel with a FULL choke that I will get this adapter for and shoot shot. Thanks for the video that product is AWESOME.
Way cool Dave Thanks. I took a Savage Stevens 12 gauge 2 3/4 in had it cut back to 19 inch barrel and a mod screw in choke installed makes a great carry gun. With the plastic stock it really light, kicks like hell though. I would really like to try this black powder adapter. I like some of the other adapters too but gun is only 2 3/4 and they don't fit
One huge advantage that I see with this is the ease with which you can unload your muzzle loaded weapon if need be. Great job Mr. Canterbury, as usual. Thanks for all that you do for the community.
With a hangfire keep the weapon pointed downrange for at least 10 seconds to avoid a "cookoff" (delayed ignition). I had this happen with a 45/70. The shell went off 7 seconds after I pulled the trigger. Had I ejected it right after misfire it would have detonated in my face.
I'm not a hunter and I live in a country where any type of firearm is illegal so forgive my ignorance, but don't you have a hard time getting the shot out of your rabbit before you can eat it?
Interesting concept, the only thing I need to find out is if It would count as a muzzleloader under NJ hunting law with the adepter in it. Seeing as I'm not in a free state Its probably gonna be no.
10:46 Just a safety point. With a hang fire, it's a good idea to wait 30 seconds or so with the firearm pointing in a safe direction before opening it up.
Wow! Why havent I heard of this before? So happens I've got an OLD break-open 12ga that belonged to my Grampa.. I wouldnt trust it with anything but black powder- something like this might just work and put the old thunder-boomer back into service... Just recalled- in my "stuff" there is a round-ball mould for .69 cal balls. I wonder if these would be safe, being UNDER 12 ga -(.72 cal) size?
This is a great idea! Thanks for the video as always Dave! I never knew why I should spend my money on this when I could just reload a shotgun shell until now. The " no tools required" reload makes all the difference in the world! Just when I thought the single shot 12 ga. couldn't get any better..
This is a very intersting product! I know you said that there is no danger of setting off the primer with the hammer down, but even so, is there any reason not to load the shot first with the adapter in place but no primer, and then open the action and insert the shotgun primer?
What is the life expectancy on the O-ring? Is it a 'standard' size which can readily, accurately, and efficiently be replaced at any local hardware store or is it a proprietary size/thickness?
Big fan love your vids their always helpful and easy to understand really appreciate the variation of information especially for the budget minded Thank you.
Very cool Dave!! I've been loading my H&R single 12 with spent shotshells and even the all brass shells like you showed in other videos. I'm definitely going I have to get this adapter.
do a 1/16” pilot hole through a .74" diameter 18.8mm OD mild steel rod 1.55" long to match a standard Wad size in a 1.75" hull & maybe 1/4 drill it out ONLY IF needed BUT many sources only have rim diameter .875" bars & so this product exists
Now that is one cool idea. Your point of versatility is really relevant right now. I have a 50 cal muzzle loader but having the ability to shoot shot is really worth while.
I just checked them out, they are a rifeld barrel, so would be basically a pistol barrel inside your 12 ga. So you say they are 8 inch long, so would be a 8" pistol barrel so good at like 40 yards kinda thing eh? so the purpose is the versatility of using the ammo you can find? They look like they are like 4 inchs, or are they 8". Im thinking i may purchase one hmm thinking rifled sites may work well if adapted to fit.
Dave, great video as always. 1 question....if you were going to use this to hunt deer or other big game, what kind of load would you use? I know buckshot would be easy to load but how about slugs? What caliber slug would you need?
Dave that is a very cool idea, love the design and the versatility. so you will be selling these on your site in the future, that is correct eh? Um you mentioned about a three step insert to shoot long rifle, 20ga and 44, um does that go the entire length of the barrel, to get accuracy? All sounds very amazing ideas bro. take care and appreciate a reply
Dave, where do you get the shot and can you make a video on cleaning the black powder out of the 12 gauge? Also cam you make a copper pipe measure and sell it on your website? Thank you for your time, ideas and service.
From reading the non-replies I assume no one here has an answer to the "I want to hunt deer, what size ball/bullet do I use" question I've read while going through all the comments. Has anyone found an answer?
...I thought this was brilliant when I first watched it........................and I still think it is bloody brilliant........thanks Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Greetz from the Netherlands!!!
Love it. I work for Winchester and have personally made millions of 209 primers. I appreciate your videos and hope you keep them coming. At work we are cranking out ammo as fast as we can, so hopefully the shortage won't last.
I just got through test firing one of the adapters today. Works great, loaded with suggested powder charge, wax paper wadding and birdshot along with a few loads of buckshot (#4s and some .45 round balls)
This company makes 12ga rifled adapters? These won't work because the bullet will cause the adapter to spin in reverse to the rifling according to Newtons Law and thus no spin to the bullet. Bullet should keyhole.
Let me restate my question for Dave or anyone else. The HR partner ejects shells when you open it right? So if you opened it with a muzzle load it would mess packing? Therefore the primer should be put in first? But as said by someone it seems the primer should be put in last for saftey..... Is this a problem?
please reiterate the safety issues with black poweder, if there is an "air gap" between primer and charge or charge and load this can lead to excessive expansion and possible breach explosion, this is why proper seating and sturdy ram rod use are essential to sucessful loads minor point but worth pointing out...
I'm sure yall know this but I thought I would pass it along I live on the eastern shore of N.C it's humid as all get out in the summer and I keep my powder in a powder horn I put a few grains of rice in the horn to help cut down on my powder clumping up it doesn't get rid of the problem but it dose help. as always Dave love the videos
Dave, I don't know a whole lot about gun chokes. What is the title of the video where you describe them? If you don't have one up already could you make one? I think this insert as well as the other inserts that shoot the .22, .38, .45,.44, etc. are an awesome addition to the 12 gauge. One day I will have the money to buy all this cool stuff...I hope.
I wonder what the possibility is of using shotgun brass but taking some sandpaper to the primer hole to make it easier for 209 primer removal and insertion. It certainly wouldn't be as strong as a milled out piece of steel but a po boy might could use it a few times.
I agree with comments load primer at end of loading. I am sure it was just an oversite or just to show what is happening but agian maybe not, but does not the shell casing eject? If it does it may be hard to load primer at end because would that not disturb packing of shot?
Under this was about eight years ago maybe you'll read it and maybe you won't. I've tried the other way that you showed by cutting the plastic off of the brass on the shotgun shell and it works like a charm but you are right about trying to get the primer out. It seems to me that using the adapter that you're using would be much faster loading so as soon as I can I'm going to get me one of those and try it. Thanks Dave you sure have showed me a whole lot about 12 gauge shotguns. I do have one question I hope you might be able to answer. The shotgun that I have is a 1900 old Iver Johnson. I did not know about the modified choke or full choke when I got this moons and moons ago. But I have shot slugs through this with no problem and it says full choke on the barrel period why am I able to do that? Could it be that it's so old and been shot so many times that the full choke part is been blown out of it? I don't know maybe you can answer this question and if you can't that's okay anyway because I know I can shoot slugs out of it. I can also get a dime down the barrel and yet it says full choke. I don't know maybe you do. Have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry! P. S. I doubt I'll get an answer
Most people use black powder for deer hunting. Can you provide any data/information for shooting a rifled slug out of a 20 or 12 gauge shotgun? Thanks.
Hey Dave, what would be you opinion for the best Black Bear defense with my NEF Pardener 12g? When I'm out in the Sequoia's, there are lots of Black Bears. I would prefer not to have to put one down, and would rather just scare it with a loud bang! or a peck in the ass. What is take on this?
this powder does not even come close to the chamber preasures that is in modern smokless powder in which this gun is designed for that's why it has an O ring but even with out it im thinking the lockup on this gun is still tight enough to not worry about blowback especially from black powder or pyrodex
ok well I probably will ask a question that's been asked 100 times but how would you go from full choke to modified or no choke I have a western field 3" full by Montgomery ward it is old but shoots and looks brand new just wondering if choke is at end of barrel?
If using a setup such as that, is it legal to use during black powder season? I can see where you might have to prove to the DNR that it is indeed black powder, just the appearance of the gun would flag some folks. Also will all of the adaptors work with double barrels as well? Thanks.
I really want one of these singe shot 12g but I already have a maverick 88. It has a birdshead grip and it’s pretty cool. Just got it back from the evidence vault😂
Just cut a bunch of spent shotgun shells down. Reprime them and carry them with you. After shooting pick up the brass and reprime them when you can. Cheap easy and thank you I had been wondering if the brass end would work.
if you continue shooting 100 grain shots, you get 70 shots to the pound aprox. and if you decrease it to 70 grain, you will get 100 aprox. this is based on research telling me that the avg. pound of powder has aproximatly 7000 grains of powder.
once the powder and shot..(or bullet) is not combined in a sold piece as in a cartridge or shot shell and is pounded down the barrel it becomes a muzzle loader. not case or shot she.. then its a black powder/muzzle loader. PERIOD! ..... lol
I'll be heading out to Cabela's in Hamburg, PA, to see what can be done about getting a nice single barreled, MODIFIED CHOKE, 12 G. shotgun. Only problem? I live in NJ. The land of limited opportunity... where you can't even own a slingshot.
one gun for two seasons? wonder if it will pass muster with the fish and game dept. Is it a muzzleloader or a breech loader or both?I'll have ask the game warden. Great idea. I wonder what the price point is?
Do the instructions say whether you should load the 209 before or after the powder and shot? In another video by a different youtuber demonstrating this same device, he recommends loading the primer after the powder and shot has been loaded. I have always loaded the percussion cap after the powder and projectile have been loaded in my inline, as a safety precaution.
what would be great is to just sell longer inserts that were like shot shells that you could preload and just put in over and over and not have to "muzzle load"
A pound of powder is 7000 grains, so you'll get 70 rounds out of a pound if you load 100 grains per round. Works out to 15 cents per round at $11 per pound.
well if its not a screw in choke its not possible unless you wanna chop the barrel off but make sure its above 18 inches and to be safe have a gunsmith do it
Also got a great set of bulletproof chop-six, all about versatility right dave?! Lol jk im drunk its bedtime good vid bud, how much is an adapter are we thinking?
I hope this is an active post because I need primers so I takenthem from shotshell.. is the powder in the shotshell I removed the primers from safe to use in my 50 cal inline ?? Should I use half the dram or grain?
.72 is 12gauge (with modified choke, .69 for patched ball) and around 90 grains.
-- since noone else has answered.
To help you in your calculations there are 7000 grains in a pound. If you shoot 70 grain loads, you'll get about 100 shots. You'd get exactly 100 with no waste.
Dave proves again why this is my favorite self-reliance/primitive skills UA-cam channel!
just a little tip for pyrodex, I use a clear ketchup bottle with a cone top like you'd see at a restaurant and you can give it a couple little squeezes and it comes out alot nicer. there only like a buck at walmart for 2 of them and they work great for me
8 years later and still very applicable.
Dave, great idea. Have you considered making the thing a couple of inches longer (the full length of the chamber) so you could load it like a shotshell outside the firearm (removing the need for a long ramrod)? Seems to me like it would be a bit less complicated that way
A car radio antenna works for ram rod and emergency cleaning rod. I've done it before! Great shotgun adapter too!!!!!! Awesome video!
I would like to see a video where you demonstrate how to load different types of loads. I'm particularly interested in learning about buckshot, buck and ball, and slug loads. A loading chart similar to a reloading manual that lists powder and shot measurements would also be useful.
I dont wanna be unprofessional and cuss or anything........but that Sir, is why you are the fn man!!!! Love it and getting one for sure. Never cease to amaze me brother, never!
Dave - Several times now I've thought that I have learned all that I can from you. Then you go and teach me something I never knew existed. It is really surprising to me, how much information you have to offer. Thank you sir.
The choke is at the end. Some shotguns are threaded on the end & you can screw in different chokes. I keep the different chokes in the stock like some people store extra shells in the stock.
if you're using the bore size to figure out how much powder you're using, it's about 100 shots per pound of powder. 7000 grains in a pound, 70-72 grains of powder as per bore size of .729 means 97-100 loads.
Would you happen to know if this is still safe to use in a 3 and 1/2 inch chamber? I have a NEF Pardner and would love to have one of these. But it doesn't specify on the Short Lane website if it's safe with 3 1/2. Some of them say only 2 3/4 or 3, but the 12 gauge doesn't say either way.
You CAN shoot slugs out of a full choke. Accuracy MAY be SLIGHTLY affected depending on your individual gun, but there is zero danger involved. The hot lead squeezes right out of the end of the barrel with zero problems whatsoever. I have done it many many times and I know older men who have done it for years and years with no problems. One of the biggest misconceptions I hear about shotguns/choke sizes is that it is dangerous to shoot slugs out of a full choke. People say that you could blow the muzzle apart, or blow the interchangable chokes out of your gun if you have those, or that your gun could just blow up in your face. Completely ridiculous. IT IS PERFECTLY SAFE TO SHOOT SLUGS OUT OF A FULL CHOKE. Please note that i have no experience with shooting Powerbelts or any type of solid copper slugs out of a full choke. I am talking about lead foster-style slugs ie. Remington Sluggers.
owning several H&R's and a rossi , and having shot slugs i FULLY AGREE with your repeated "MODIFIED CHOKE" . slugs or similar deform too much to be accurate . even with bead only sight , my 20ga is quite accurate to 40yd easily . i havent tried black powder yet , but certainly will be . the Oring is excellent idear to keep a slight seal and prevent blowback .
oh man, seeing that single shot pardner again, i grew up slingin lead down range out of a pardner exactly like that, that gun can take a beating and throw lead before the barrel warps, good choice Dave !
Great item but I would like for the adapter to be longer so it could be loaded and then inserted into the gun for firing. That way, you could load with a short ram rod. You could also have more than one adapter loaded with different charges.
Man this cries for a double barrel!
The website says to max load this adapter with only 80 grains. Is this a misprint or did the specs change?
What choke do I need again?? HAHA Seriously though, isn't it .690" Roundball for a 12 Ga.? I have a H&R Single Barrel with a FULL choke that I will get this adapter for and shoot shot. Thanks for the video that product is AWESOME.
Way cool Dave Thanks. I took a Savage Stevens 12 gauge 2 3/4 in had it cut back to 19 inch barrel and a mod screw in choke installed makes a great carry gun. With the plastic stock it really light, kicks like hell though. I would really like to try this black powder adapter. I like some of the other adapters too but gun is only 2 3/4 and they don't fit
Can 2 muzzle loader adapters be used together in a double barrell shotgun.
One huge advantage that I see with this is the ease with which you can unload your muzzle loaded weapon if need be. Great job Mr. Canterbury, as usual. Thanks for all that you do for the community.
That is an awesome idea. I have one question. Will it come in 20 gauge as well?
down and dirty piece of kit Dave thanx for sharing brother !
With a hangfire keep the weapon pointed downrange for at least 10 seconds to avoid a "cookoff" (delayed ignition). I had this happen with a 45/70. The shell went off 7 seconds after I pulled the trigger. Had I ejected it right after misfire it would have detonated in my face.
The H&R single shots do have a transfer bar trigger so it is safe until you draw the hammer back.
Just ordered me one of those adapters for the old H&R.
I'm not a hunter and I live in a country where any type of firearm is illegal so forgive my ignorance, but don't you have a hard time getting the shot out of your rabbit before you can eat it?
Interesting concept, the only thing I need to find out is if It would count as a muzzleloader under NJ hunting law with the adepter in it. Seeing as I'm not in a free state Its probably gonna be no.
10:46 Just a safety point. With a hang fire, it's a good idea to wait 30 seconds or so with the firearm pointing in a safe direction before opening it up.
Excellent idea Dave, looks like it works really well.
Wow! Why havent I heard of this before? So happens I've got an OLD break-open 12ga that belonged to my Grampa.. I wouldnt trust it with anything but black powder- something like this might just work and put the old thunder-boomer back into service...
Just recalled- in my "stuff" there is a round-ball mould for .69 cal balls. I wonder if these would be safe, being UNDER 12 ga -(.72 cal) size?
True. But you loose the advantage of not having to have a tool to replace the primer and reloading in the field would be much easier.
7000 grains in a pound. about a 100 grains with your measure 70 shots. ish. Love the videos.
Dave!!!!
This is a great idea! Thanks for the video as always Dave! I never knew why I should spend my money on this when I could just reload a shotgun shell until now. The " no tools required" reload makes all the difference in the world! Just when I thought the single shot 12 ga. couldn't get any better..
This is a very intersting product! I know you said that there is no danger of setting off the primer with the hammer down, but even so, is there any reason not to load the shot first with the adapter in place but no primer, and then open the action and insert the shotgun primer?
What is the life expectancy on the O-ring? Is it a 'standard' size which can readily, accurately, and efficiently be replaced at any local hardware store or is it a proprietary size/thickness?
Awesome! Thanks David Canterbury
And when is the adapter coming out? All I can find is the BLACK OUT. Thank you for your time, ideas, and service.
Big fan love your vids their always helpful and easy to understand really appreciate the variation of information especially for the budget minded Thank you.
Very cool Dave!! I've been loading my H&R single 12 with spent shotshells and even the all brass shells like you showed in other videos. I'm definitely going I have to get this adapter.
How would I purchase this item any certain website
Great idea Dave and i cannot wait to get my hands on one! Any chance i would be available in .20ga?
Hey now, that's not the same shotgun as last time. Where's that one with the brass tacks on it and stuff?
do a 1/16” pilot hole through a .74" diameter 18.8mm OD mild steel rod 1.55" long to match a standard Wad size in a 1.75"
hull & maybe 1/4 drill it out ONLY IF needed BUT many sources only have rim diameter .875" bars & so this product exists
Now that is one cool idea. Your point of versatility is really relevant right now. I have a 50 cal muzzle loader but having the ability to shoot shot is really worth while.
if your using say a 100gr charge of BP or pyrodex you get about 70 shots a pound
I already just reload Spent Shotgun shells with black powder, and bought some Full brass Shot shells and modified them to take 209 primers
I just checked them out, they are a rifeld barrel, so would be basically a pistol barrel inside your 12 ga. So you say they are 8 inch long, so would be a 8" pistol barrel so good at like 40 yards kinda thing eh? so the purpose is the versatility of using the ammo you can find? They look like they are like 4 inchs, or are they 8". Im thinking i may purchase one hmm thinking rifled sites may work well if adapted to fit.
Has anyone tried this kit with .69 cal round ball?
Dave, great video as always.
1 question....if you were going to use this to hunt deer or other big game, what kind of load would you use? I know buckshot would be easy to load but how about slugs? What caliber slug would you need?
Dave that is a very cool idea, love the design and the versatility. so you will be selling these on your site in the future, that is correct eh? Um you mentioned about a three step insert to shoot long rifle, 20ga and 44, um does that go the entire length of the barrel, to get accuracy? All sounds very amazing ideas bro. take care and appreciate a reply
Dave, where do you get the shot and can you make a video on cleaning the black powder out of the 12 gauge? Also cam you make a copper pipe measure and sell it on your website? Thank you for your time, ideas and service.
Will this be able to be used in a pump ? It's a very cool product btw. Great job.
Is that a modified chock or a full choke? :-)
From reading the non-replies I assume no one here has an answer to the "I want to hunt deer, what size ball/bullet do I use" question I've read while going through all the comments.
Has anyone found an answer?
How about a #11 musket cap adapter for a BP 12 gauge. If you can't find loaded shot shells, 209 primers or #11 caps, it's time to get primitive
Can you use black powder pellets or do you have to use loose powder?
...I thought this was brilliant when I first watched it........................and I still think it is bloody brilliant........thanks Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Greetz from the Netherlands!!!
next 3 videos: Powder Horns; Drilling your forestock to hold a ram rod; 209 Primer speed capper...
dave do they make one in 20 gauge
Love it. I work for Winchester and have personally made millions of 209 primers. I appreciate your videos and hope you keep them coming. At work we are cranking out ammo as fast as we can, so hopefully the shortage won't last.
I just got through test firing one of the adapters today. Works great, loaded with suggested powder charge, wax paper wadding and birdshot along with a few loads of buckshot (#4s and some .45 round balls)
That is pretty slick... Got to love the 12 gauge... That is a great back up kit.. Love it
Hey dave, I heard something that makes sense, Do those rifled adapters spin in the chamber due to the force of the bullet twisting them?
This company makes 12ga rifled adapters? These won't work because the bullet will cause the adapter to spin in reverse to the rifling according to Newtons Law and thus no spin to the bullet. Bullet should keyhole.
Let me restate my question for Dave or anyone else. The HR partner ejects shells when you open it right? So if you opened it with a muzzle load it would mess packing? Therefore the primer should be put in first? But as said by someone it seems the primer should be put in last for saftey..... Is this a problem?
please reiterate the safety issues with black poweder, if there is an "air gap" between primer and charge or charge and load this can lead to excessive expansion and possible breach explosion, this is why proper seating and sturdy ram rod use are essential to sucessful loads minor point but worth pointing out...
Do they have to be 209 shotgun primers or can you use 209 muzzleloading primers?
so you could shoot out dirt
I'm sure yall know this but I thought I would pass it along I live on the eastern shore of N.C it's humid as all get out in the summer and I keep my powder in a powder horn I put a few grains of rice in the horn to help cut down on my powder clumping up it doesn't get rid of the problem but it dose help. as always Dave love the videos
Dave, I don't know a whole lot about gun chokes. What is the title of the video where you describe them? If you don't have one up already could you make one? I think this insert as well as the other inserts that shoot the .22, .38, .45,.44, etc. are an awesome addition to the 12 gauge. One day I will have the money to buy all this cool stuff...I hope.
I wonder what the possibility is of using shotgun brass but taking some sandpaper to the primer hole to make it easier for 209 primer removal and insertion. It certainly wouldn't be as strong as a milled out piece of steel but a po boy might could use it a few times.
I agree with comments load primer at end of loading. I am sure it was just an oversite or just to show what is happening but agian maybe not, but does not the shell casing eject? If it does it may be hard to load primer at end because would that not disturb packing of shot?
Under this was about eight years ago maybe you'll read it and maybe you won't. I've tried the other way that you showed by cutting the plastic off of the brass on the shotgun shell and it works like a charm but you are right about trying to get the primer out. It seems to me that using the adapter that you're using would be much faster loading so as soon as I can I'm going to get me one of those and try it. Thanks Dave you sure have showed me a whole lot about 12 gauge shotguns. I do have one question I hope you might be able to answer. The shotgun that I have is a 1900 old Iver Johnson. I did not know about the modified choke or full choke when I got this moons and moons ago. But I have shot slugs through this with no problem and it says full choke on the barrel period why am I able to do that? Could it be that it's so old and been shot so many times that the full choke part is been blown out of it? I don't know maybe you can answer this question and if you can't that's okay anyway because I know I can shoot slugs out of it. I can also get a dime down the barrel and yet it says full choke. I don't know maybe you do. Have a great day and stay safe and keep your powder dry! P. S. I doubt I'll get an answer
Most people use black powder for deer hunting. Can you provide any data/information for shooting a rifled slug out of a 20 or 12 gauge shotgun? Thanks.
Hey Dave, what would be you opinion for the best Black Bear defense with my NEF Pardener 12g? When I'm out in the Sequoia's, there are lots of Black Bears. I would prefer not to have to put one down, and would rather just scare it with a loud bang! or a peck in the ass. What is take on this?
this powder does not even come close to the chamber preasures that is in modern smokless powder in which this gun is designed for that's why it has an O ring but even with out it im thinking the lockup on this gun is still tight enough to not worry about blowback especially from black powder or pyrodex
ok well I probably will ask a question that's been asked 100 times but how would you go from full choke to modified or no choke
I have a western field 3" full by Montgomery ward it is old but shoots and looks brand new just wondering if choke is at end of barrel?
If using a setup such as that, is it legal to use during black powder season? I can see where you might have to prove to the DNR that it is indeed black powder, just the appearance of the gun would flag some folks. Also will all of the adaptors work with double barrels as well? Thanks.
Can you use this rig with a rifled slug? Anyone?
I really want one of these singe shot 12g but I already have a maverick 88. It has a birdshead grip and it’s pretty cool. Just got it back from the evidence vault😂
Just cut a bunch of spent shotgun shells down. Reprime them and carry them with you. After shooting pick up the brass and reprime them when you can. Cheap easy and thank you I had been wondering if the brass end would work.
if you continue shooting 100 grain shots, you get 70 shots to the pound aprox. and if you decrease it to 70 grain, you will get 100 aprox. this is based on research telling me that the avg. pound of powder has aproximatly 7000 grains of powder.
once the powder and shot..(or bullet) is not combined in a sold piece as in a cartridge or shot shell and is pounded down the barrel it becomes a muzzle loader. not case or shot she.. then its a black powder/muzzle loader. PERIOD! ..... lol
I'll be heading out to Cabela's in Hamburg, PA, to see what can be done about getting a nice single barreled, MODIFIED CHOKE, 12 G. shotgun. Only problem? I live in NJ. The land of limited opportunity... where you can't even own a slingshot.
one gun for two seasons? wonder if it will pass muster with the fish and game dept. Is it a muzzleloader or a breech loader or both?I'll have ask the game warden. Great idea. I wonder what the price point is?
I'll be getting one these for the 12ga, but would like to see one available for 20ga. also
Do the instructions say whether you should load the 209 before or after the powder and shot? In another video by a different youtuber demonstrating this same device, he recommends loading the primer after the powder and shot has been loaded. I have always loaded the percussion cap after the powder and projectile have been loaded in my inline, as a safety precaution.
Thank you for these educational videos. Goes to show I don't know everything about firearms.
what would be great is to just sell longer inserts that were like shot shells that you could preload and just put in over and over and not have to "muzzle load"
Excellent, Dave! Thank you so much for your continued work on these useful adapters. Options are good.
Excellent idea. Awesome vedios. Thank you sir and GOD Bless. 🙏👍😁🦌🦥
A pound of powder is 7000 grains, so you'll get 70 rounds out of a pound if you load 100 grains per round. Works out to 15 cents per round at $11 per pound.
well if its not a screw in choke its not possible unless you wanna chop the barrel off but make sure its above 18 inches and to be safe have a gunsmith do it
Also got a great set of bulletproof chop-six, all about versatility right dave?! Lol jk im drunk its bedtime good vid bud, how much is an adapter are we thinking?
Sabots? Roundball? Which size/grain? Has it been tested?
I hope this is an active post because I need primers so I takenthem from shotshell.. is the powder in the shotshell I removed the primers from safe to use in my 50 cal inline ?? Should I use half the dram or grain?