Why Sony has Abandoned the a7s iii & a7s iv
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2023
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Mark sets forth the case against Sony, alleging that it has abandoned the a7siii and is not working on an a7siv. The evidence clearly shows that Sony is trying to move videographers to the FX3. Feel free to comment and let Mark know what you think.
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I don’t see an A7Siv coming anytime soon either. I’ve got the FX3 and A7iv - that should keep me happy for many years. Very creative intro!!
Thanks. I have an a7iv too, and I love it. I’m hoping for a FX3 mark ii before selling my a7siii.
@@storybabble mee tooo
I was just hooked by the editing of this video... I didn't even plan on watching it, how are you not a bigger UA-camr?
Thanks. I really appreciate your encouragement.
The first trick Sony played on a7s iii buyers was to release the FX3 shortly after when no one suspected that move. Now the questionable hoax is to release firmware updates to the FX3 and even the FX30 and stomp a7s iii owners in the face.
Amen.
LOVE your intro - super creative and your reasoning is perfectly logical. It kind of makes sense to push towards the FX3 and a more 'cinema-line' body since the a7s3 is SILLY good and realistically speaking - aimed at professionals. We love our A7s3 but as we have progressed, we would have prefrered an FX3. Great video!
I hear you. Thanks for your perspective.
You’ll miss that EVF more than you think… stand strong in your decision. A7siii aging like a fine wine..
@@TravisVarga That's a really interesting one - we've actually never used the EVF! We bought it as a Video only camera in the first place and have just never found the need for the EVF. But obviously having said that - it's an incredible camera for sure.
I used to like sensors with 1:1 readout however lens corrections applied in camera lose sharpness as the resizing is NOT LOSSLESS. You really need to oversample the image before you apply corrections to maintain sharpness.
Good insight. Thanks.
I kinda feel the Panasonic s5II brought something to the table, I never knew I would miss this much on my a7siii. The menu stuff. Open gate, internal histograms, shutter angle etc. Even the FX6 doesn't have that AFAIK. Never understood why Sony dumbed that "cinema" line camera down regarding those cinema features.
Good points.
@@storybabble it's a bit frustrating to see a camera half as expensive than mine getting this stiff when I can't even get an update for focus breathing compensation 🥲
I think you're right. I own an fx3 and an a7siii, and the lack of firmware updates for the a7siii tells us everything we need to know. It's a shame because there are times where a viewfinder is still really helpful.
I hear ya.
Viewfinder is so crucial . I've made so many important focus pulls and subtle framing decisions that would have been impossible for me personally without it.
EXACTLY!!
Yes a viewfinder is all I use since I have to wear glasses for the back monitor and this sucks guessing.....no view finder I will head back to Nikon!
4:04 Not necessarily it would mean more heat. Coming from a more semiconductor industry perspective, how we would make chips faster without more heat is by using a smaller node fabrication. Since there's no public information on what node they used, it'll be a bit of a challenge to guess. Sony may have used the bleeding edge of 2020 and used TSMC's N7 to make the BIONZ XR chip. Or they would've saved a lot of money if they've used older nodes such as 10nm, which surprisingly a lot of companies still use today for niche chips where price is more important than speed. But if they did use something advanced as TSMC's N7 node, we are just about at a good enough yield rates for TSMC's N3 to be mass producing chips. This should be around double the speed of N7 at the same power consumption. Now we are almost approaching the point where quantum mechanics prevents us from making transistors any smaller, and we have seen recent reports with the new n3 node wouldn't make the cache die any smaller. What we do is innovate and start trying to stack chips such as with the Ryzen X3D series of chips or using a big little architecture. As long as humans crave more power, we will find ways to achieve it, even if it's a band aid fix over a major issue. For the longest time, we have been etching wafers with 200nm wavelength light for 22nm, or 14nm transistors, but since 2017 EUV allows us to etch wafers with 13.5 nm wavelength.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. It gives me some hope. I appreciate t.
This video was so well done, I couldn't believe you only had 1.2k subs. I subscribed, and hope you do more of this in the future.
Wow! Appreciate the encouragement. Welcome.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks.
Awesome video. As an A7SIII owner, I'm still hoping but fear you're right. Greetings from Austria!
You and me both! Welcome.
What camera would you choose, the Sony fx3 or the canon r6 mark 2? For documentary/vlog content, I also take pictures occasionally. Great Content.
Good question. The problem is that once you choose Sony or Canon you’re kinda stuck because all your lenses. I’m stuck with Sony. But if I was starting over today and had to decide between the FX3 or the R6ii, I would lean towards the R6ii because I believe it is a better stills camera and I also enjoy photography and the FX3 is not a great stills camera. But I can respect either choice. Good luck.
@@storybabble thanks
This was a great video. Subscribed!
Great video man! Subbed.
Thanks for the sub! I really appreciate it.
other than the firmware update that the A7iv has i genuinely think the a7Siii has soo much going for it now
and getting a new version would only increase it by a small margin such as the Canon R6 to R6ii
the next BIG upgrade i would consider is
12 bit colour over 10bit colour
raw internal recording up to 30FPS
same amazing low light with 26MP rather than 12MP maybe?
Other than that the A7Siii still a class in its own
I agree. I love my a7siii.
You can't achieve the same low light performance if you decrease the pixel pitch. Unless they opted for a black silicon sensor (that means shooting without an UV/IR cut filter btw) it could achieve the same results.
Sony could go the 6k route with an A7Siv. In addition to an improved sensor, more resolution could make for great video scaled down
Loved the camera tech retrospective!
Thanks. Wait! Is this “the” Tom Buck”? Wow! I love your channel. Big fan. I live in Arizona too by the way (Gilbert). Just saying.
@@storybabble wow thanks! I’m actually in California! So, different desert but not too terribly far haha
I was there back in those days. They could beef it up and add a nice smooth servo zoom. Not one company has done this. All the lenses that have a powerized zoom are garbage and hard to handle while zooming. 2023 and we still have to go to a camcorder to get this.
I hear you.
Great video as always. Thank you. Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks man.
When the a7s iii came out, it was a very different market. Very very different
I can't believe this video hasn't had 1 million views yet. Very nice video 🎉
Wow, thank you!
what a remarkable well little put video!!!!! Many great info in 6 minutes!!!! Fantastic presentation.... thanks for sharing. Blessings
Hey, Thanks. I really appreciate the kind words.
Neat video. :-) I don’t own an a7sIII or an FX3. But I do own an a1. We a1 owners feel your pain. Sony says it’s their flagship, but they seem to have abandoned it too.
Yes. I feel your pain.
browsing the internet it is said to be released in q3 or 4. I am mostly waiting for improved dynamic range, new color science and an 'awsome' 5 axis ibis for steadier footage (specially with longer lenses). btw, cool video!
Thanks for sharing your ideas and wishes. I guess I should have said that Sony will probably release an a7siv because the name alone will sell units, but I doubt it will be much more than it already is because of the body style. I hope I’m wrong. Fingers crossed.
@@storybabble they will release a 24mp A7sIV to compete with Lumix S5iix and Canon r6ii.
you are amazing. this is so well made
Wow, thank you!
I got an fx3 because I knew the cine line would be future proof for years. But I understand your pain. The a7sii only had one update.
Good move. Thanks for understanding my pain.
Easy solution, make the A7Siv bigger (like the C70) to accommodate a faster chip and ndf. I would buy one in a heartbeat. I have my A7iv which is an amazing hybrid camera and I would use that on days where I didn't want to deal with a larger camera.
I like that idea.
Ironically, Canon R5 does indeed have almost everything you could wish for with the Canon EF to RF adapter that has built in ND filter, and use a Canon EF lens with the zoom rocker that you put on the lens, thats almost a camcorder at that point. Sony has something similar with their video lenses for E-mount but it does not have ND filter built in. That has to be put on the front, which I suppose is doable.
Thank you for your insights. I think your spot on.
Ha! Loved the creative production on this one! I had the Sony VX-9000 back in ‘97. I started using my Nikon D800 for video, realised it’s limitations, and now have the FX30; massive learning curve (despite my background in tech).
Thanks. The FX30 looks like it would great. I wish I could buy every new camera but I’m actually really happy with the siii and the iv that I do have. Im interested in knowing what makes the FX30 difficult to use.
@@storybabble it’s shooting log which is baffling me, then post processing. As a photographer, I always shoot raw, and have a good understanding. But as a videographer, woah 🤯. Flexible ISO, Cine EI (or El Cine, as i call it), PP11, Slog, Slog Cine etc. Then when I look at my footage, I’ve completely lost my natural creative flair. It’s frustrating and disappointing. It took a lot of head scratching for me to transition from 35mm film to digital (imagine Fred Flinstone in a Tesla!). I will get there. Always do. But it’s disheartening when I see the creative talent of those decades younger than me who haven’t had the experience i have under my belt, but their work is so inspirational. I have a lot of work to do. Slow and steady!
@@Melenie I feel your pain about S-Log 3. I shoot a lot of things in S-Cinetone when I can control the light and there isn’t a wide dynamic range in the scene. You have me thinking about running some tests between s-log and s-cinetone. Thanks for the reply.
@@storybabble that’s useful to know; I will bear that in mind tomorrow when I’m out shooting. Looking forward to your next video, whatever it will be. Best wishes!
What is the FX3 as good for photos? What is the best full frame sony photography camera?
For photos I would choose the Sony a7Rv as the best. The fx3 isn’t great for photos because of the low megapixels and its button layout makes photos a pain to even take. The a7iv is a great hybrid camera because it switches between photo and video well, but for photos mostly, I say the a7R5. Good luck.
Love it. keep the videos coming
Thanks. I’ll try to make more. I appreciate the encouragement.
Hey, Mark the video is awesome as ever! However, the sound is very bad this time. I can barely understand or hear what are you saying.
Thanks. I’ll look into that.
FX30 is APS-C while A7sIII and it's predecessors are full frame. I was thinking about FX30, but wouldn't want to go from full frame to crop.
I hear you. I much prefer full frame as well. Thanks for the comment.
still need... an FX body with ND filters, more options for anamorphic and aspect ratios, and a damn EVF, and a brighter LCD.. and shutter angle.. and global shutter..
I hear you. Let’s keep hoping for that.
Great video. Only one little correction. The Sony Fx3 doesn't shoot 8k
I hope I didn’t say that. If so I didn’t mean it. I meant to say that the FX3 ii could bring 8k because of its body. But thanks for comment.
@@storybabble I picked up it was honest mistake. Love your work👌🏽
love the video style like a press conference
Thanks. I appreciate that.
Very creative. Kudos to you.
Thank you very much! That means a lot.
and now they finally announced a firmware update for the a1 and a7siii. Comes in january
Yes I heard. Making a video now. Very exciting. Never so happy to be wrong.
5:10
The latest Sony update for the FX3 really proves your point
I know, right.
The ZV E1 is another nail in the coffin of the 7SIII imho. I'm on the market to upgrade from my A7III and I'm still not sure what to pick...I'm just waiting :D
I hear you.
I like your video!
But the argument about heat doesn't really convince me, given the existence of the Sony A1, not to mention the option of the newest heat transfer technologies, such as those in operation in 2023 thin and light gaming laptops.
Thanks. Your point is valid and maybe I’m wrong. I actually hope you’re right, but we’ll see.
Your production values are AMAZING!!!
Wow, thank you!
@@storybabble I am Major pissed at Sony. Selling me amazing camera with no possibility of upgrade. At least give us focus breathing!!!
@@Pfagnan I hear you man.
Love your videos Mark!
I Appreciate your kind words.
Love this video! New sub here!
Yay! Thank you!
Man, that firmware update the FX3 got and A7SIII didn't, that hurt. I regret not buying the FX3.
I’m feel your pain.
But FX3 don't do the photos! We need the a7s line to continue even without 8k.
Good point. I assume Sony won’t be able to resist releasing a Camera called a7siv but i doubt it will be as good as the Fx3ii.
I have the Panasonic GH5 in my ad revenue and income do not justify an upgrade. However I am currently making more videos and I would love a new camera. My list is similar to yours
I see a lot of great work coming from the GH5. But it seems like we all have a similar list for our next camera. We’ll keep our fingers crossed.
@@storybabble 4K 120 FPS for B-roll and full frame for portrait and Boceh is really really exciting for me. A lot of times I don't like charging people for photo or video even though my camera is exceptional. I want to get the best possible results.
my new fav channel.)
Thanks man. That makes me happy.
hilarious intro
Thanks man.
Canon's overheating issues were manufactured. There's a lot of wriggle room with those bodies. :)
🔥🔥🔥
A7r5 proved there is no overheating issues with that sensor in the same body
Good point. Perhaps you’re right. However the a7r5 can’t do 120 fps in 4k. So is that the body or is Sony just crippling the camera? We’ll see. I hope you’re right. 😀
A7s line…Thank you for your service. You are a important part of camera tech But your time is up. Sony keep pushing forward with the fx3 line and Put some kind of variable nd in it.
Well said!
👌 new to your channel, definitely sub….👍
Welcome aboard! Thanks.
What a great video
You are so kind
The FX3 isn't better than the A7s III, you are ditching the photography part of the camera which the A7s series could fair well. Especially if you make content for social media platforms. There are many improvements to be made for the camera, and just because YOUR own desired specifications are met, does not mean that there is no room for improvement. Lack of updates could hint as well for an upcoming new model. The A7 models are trash because they are mainly focused on photography and lack a ton in the videography side of the spectrum. I feel like only the R and S versions should exist at this point. The rumors of the A7s being 24 megapixel are hilarious and is Sony does end up releasing it like that they are beyond stupid. This is going to be a huge hit on low light performence, as well as rolling shutter and it could and will hurt more features. No one needs 6K/8K and if you do, go ahead and purchase a cine camera or a Canon camera. I wish that the upcoming A7s IV would be similar to the Canon ME20F-SH and GH6.
I hear you. You make a good case and you’re probably right. We’ll just have to wait to see what Sony does. Thanks for your comments.
JVC used to be BIG in camcorder world. Now you never see them. It seems they are still in business but they don't seem to be buying all the youtube shill channels like other cam companies.
I’m going to see what JVC is up to at NAB this Sunday. Last I remember they were really focused on ENG cameras for news.
you are right and funny
Wow! Thanks.
I have a fs100. I grow a beard many times waiting for a firmware that came to other cameras. Sony tend to develop new cameras rather tan updating firmware as other brands do
That is true.
A7s iv release date
When?
So in a way what you’re saying is that with Sony A7Siii, we have hit a peak.
Yes. That’s what I’m saying. But who knows, maybe they can squeeze out more features. We’ll see.
Noooooooooo
It makes no sense focus breathing and better auto tracking are not cinema camera exclusive features. They are deliberately withholding these features for no reason. I'm not even talking about a new menu or lots. It's crazy. If I had bought the A1...I don't think I would be able to manage my rage after investing that type of money just to be ignored. 3 years later and crickets. They got me this time with the a7s3. I won't be making another Sony purchase mistake again though.
I hear you.
His reputation is what now ?
Sony manufactured the Nikon Z9 sensor and that can shoot 8k60 raw.
Good point. Maybe there is room for a little more. We ‘ll see.
U must be a lawyer. Who else can buy two cams just to have fun testing them in waterfalls and then running a court case? Speaking of camcorders: The Sony HDR FX-1 had amazing tech. I still have one & still use it now & then. Sony's Sony a7iv, Sony a6700 and Sony ZV-E1: Recent Releases: All OVERHEATING Monsters. By the way, I have the good ole Sony a6000 (original apsc Overheating Monster). So Sony wants us to move over to the Lumix active cooling cams if we want Active Cooling Hybrids. So it goes. Adios. 😎😎
You called it. I am a lawyer.
this is true. anyone that bought a7s3 bought it for the video. so why not just use the fx3. there is no reason for a7s3 to exist when the fx3 is right there.
We’ll said.
No EVF no deal.
I do love a good EVF. Maybe they could make it a modular option in future modes. Just an idea.
There are a few EVF options available, the one getting the most traction is pretty much a loupe that you strap onto the LCD with a couple of rubber bands. Doesn't seem right somehow.
At least give us updates
I'm with you.
well this aged badly.
A7S4 is being released in a month or two.
Maybe. We will see. Sony might come out with a A7S4 but i doubt it will be much of an improvement. Hope I’m wrong. If I am wrong, I will celebrate.
Where are the leaks? Can you share the website name? As links may be banned?
Maybe u should have another channel: sonybabble! LOL:}😎😎
I love it. Great idea.
RIP a7SIII🥲
Amen.
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Thanks.
@@storybabble you deserve way more subs. I just found the channel today, I really enjoyed the content!
Haha I guess it is the best camera in the world, might as well retire it.
😂😂👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks. I appreciate it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Great Video!
Wow! Thanks.
@@storybabble So I guess Sony filmmakers we now need to move to the FX line uh? I have been waiting to buy my next camera, I wanted to be at least 6k, 10 bit, raw output, 120fps 4k.
too much theatrics and too few rational reasons
Fair enough.