The Tudor Black Bay 58 GMT Is Starting To Worry Me…Deep Dive Into The 2 Main Problems
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Now that we've all been able to process the new Watches and Wonders releases from the likes of Tudor, Rolex, and Patek Philippe, I think it's time to do a deeper dive into what is the biggest release of the year. The Tudor Black Bay 58 GMT. This is a watch that we've been asking for for years and we finally have it in a fantastic package that is only 12.8mm. Given it's significance, the watch world should be lauding the release universally right? Well, not quite.
So in this video I'm going to look into why the BB58 GMT is giving me cause for concern even though I’ve gone through a rollercoaster of emotions and opinions about the watch. At the moment, I'm on the optimistic end of this wild ride. I'll also look into two problems the BB58 GMT is experiencing, the first one concerning the watch design itself and the second one concerning where we are as a watch community and how our tastes have evolved.
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BB58 GMT Deep Dive - 00:00
BB58 GMT Feelings 1.5 Weeks Later - 01:02
The First Problem - 03:13
The Second Problem - 05:48
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I am still excited for this model. My next Tudor will either be the 58 GMT or FXD.
Seems like we're on the same page bc I said to myself that if nothing special is released this year that I'll get myself an FXD! I've had my eye on one ever since it was released and Everytime I wear one it surprises me
Since its the first Master Chronometer GMT from Tudor, watch, in the next 10-20 years its going to be desirable. Especially, when identifying one in the future, its the gilt that people will like it for and most likely the patina that will settle in the bezel in those years. In 20+ years, the most hated element will become the most desirable.
Spot on 👌
I like the gilt and I prefer vintage styling. Looking forward to trying one on at my AD.
Tudor always has to do something unattractive - like a riveted bracelet, too much gilt, raspy dull speckle dial- so it can not actually be a Rolex
Yeah you just can't go wrong with a piss yellow faux patina bezel insert. Complemented by fake rivets on the bracelet a true masterpiece
saaame
Yeah it all comes down to how it looks in real life and in real light. Hoping for the best for when that fateful day comes😁
it complaining about fake rivets the biggest bandwagon in watch moaning history. Has any man ever stopped another man and said love your watch but can't stand those fake looking rivets. you can hardly notice them.
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Well said😂 I think just getting rid of the gilt would work
Caffeine free can be a good thing for some people!😁
The new bb58 gmt is a no brainer. The execution of the gold tones requires less commitment than a Longines Zulu time gmt s&g for example. Tudor's alure has been in no small part retro vibes. If you want more modern design options in a Tudor diver Pelagos hasn't gone anywhere. I would have liked the option for a five link bracelet or fabric strap, but the former wouldn't be "correct" and the latter can be managed post-purchase. If i was in the market for a GMT this would be on the short list.
Great watch but the Longine Zulu is also a winner!
@@douglascohen2521 I like them both quite a bit. I just have other pieces higher up my list.
I think this BB58 GMT has the potential to look really good fingers crossed it looks great in real life. It'll definitely be super interesting to compare the BB58 GMT with the Longines SZT different in terms of the overall aesthetic but quite similar in specs now. Once Longines gets around to putting the hydroconquest GMT's quick adjust clasp on the SZT then things will get spicy😬
I love how you left in the leaf blower bit. I LOL’d for real. Love the humor!😅
The leaf blower was a paid actor lol
Yeah I definitely overpaid for that actor 😅😅
I still feel the same as when it came out. It's great they finally have a new movement and make the GMT thinner and in 39mm. BUT, IT'S STILL NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR AND WANT EXACTLY. Thus, I'm holding out on frivolous spending when I know it will not scratch the itch. It's the first iteration of its kind and there will surely be more.
What will I buy in the (future, fingers crossed )Tudor GMT 39mm line? Not necessarily in this order..
#1 Pepsi Bezel, Opaline White Dial, Jubilee Bracelet w/ T-Fit
#2 Polar BB Pro
Not a BB...
#3 Pelagos 39 GMT
Oh, I would like a BB58 steel (u know the one with the black dial and as bezel they had in 41mm) finally, please.
In either cases, gilt is not in my future. Though, I will say the new coke BB58 GMT with gilt looks good with it.
I forgot about the opaline dial! my god a BB58 GMT opaline dial would be absolutely fantastic but with zero gilt otherwise it'll be worse. But yeah it'll be exciting to see what they release in the future bc this is a great movement and as you listed, there are so many potential great watches
Objectively the new GMT is a more exciting release but the problem is.. like you mentioned.. the (overdone imo) gilding and the lack of a five-link bracelet option. It’s simply less fitting for all occasions and thus the monochrome wins out for most buyers. Bring the same monochrome changes to the BB58 GMT and they’ll see it sell like crazy. For that reason I’m going to sit in the sidelines for now.. getting a Hamilton Expedition and maybe pick up a Hydroconquest GMT as a value play… and just save up after for a bigger purchase.
When are you getting this? I’ll reserve judgement once I see it in person, I’m thinking the gilt bezel won’t be nearly as noticeable in person…
It depends on when my AD gets one in on the bracelet but I'm hoping in the next few weeks! Yeah I have a feeling that in real life and in normal light the gilt will work better. Fingers crossed!
I am on the "list" for the new BB GMT58, ordered on the release date, and am not sure it's another Tudor for me. It"s the gilt on the bezel, doesn't seem right to me.
I dig it. I think the “too much gilt” is cool in away. It does feel like a bit of a flex watch optically. But I love the features you get with it.
The master chronometer text should have been above the GMT text to make the dial more balanced. Otherwise a pretty nice GMT but it doesn't beat a used Explorer II 16570.
You make some great points TWI. I think almost all manufacturer press photos are edited in some way to make the new products look at there very best from the makers viewpoint, but what the manufacturer wants us to see is quite often different to what we see in real life as you mention. I'm not in the market for another GMT right now but if I was It would probably end up with a shootout between the Tudor and the 39mm Longines Spirit Zulu time. Right now I'd probably lean slightly towards the Longines. OK that watch is not METAS but it is COSC. Maybe Tudor will release this movement into a Pelagos 39 case now that would interest me more. For me with most things there is some sort of compromise from what we really want to what we end up getting unless we get something custom made. Not only has the BB GMT shrunk in the wash in size and thickness to become a 39 but is also METAS certified and for the price on paper it's perfect. But the buyer will be the one looking at it and if they are not happy with the look other options are around. Like you my advice is to always try one on and see it in the flesh. Many thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks as always Anthony! Yeah a comparison between the BB58 GMT and the Spirit Zulu Time will be coming fairly soon after getting my BB58 GMT and it'll be an interesting one for sure bc there are so many thing I like about both of them! Although once Longines comes around to fitting the SZT with a quick adjust clasp then things really spice up
Given the investment made for this new movement I think a Pelagos 39 GMT is pretty much a guarantee (well as much as anything Tudor of Rolex can be guaranteed lol) hopefully lots of interesting watches will be forthcoming given the competition😁
Would it be better without gilt? Absolutely. However, like you said, it works well with the black and red bezel and, more importantly, not stopping me one bit from snapping one up as soon as I can.
Thumbs up based on the leaf blower incident alone. Also, nice overview. Prefer the new “monochrome” BB release.
getting a batter look at it now to realize its still just an aluminum bezel has me back leaning towards the white face pepsi GMT instead. I do like the look of the gilt though so a BB 54 may be on the radar in the future
I was sort of excited for the BB58 GMT but the colorway ruins it for me.
I think there's a counter point to be made, I don't like the mix and match of gilt in the BB54, I prefer to be either full gilt like the GMT, or no gilt like the Monochrome.
I have a 925 which has no gilt and will be getting the GMT as my next watch. I do not have a GMT but wanted to stick with Tudor so it all fits together to my taste.
the other thing is I have tried the GMT on a few times now in different locations and the yellow/orange is a camera thing. the reality is much closer to a darker brass almost bronze look.
thanks for your video. I enjoyed your take on it.
You should have tried the watch on before ordering it. That said I think you will like it better in person.
They need to make a bb pro version of this thing.
Looking forward to see more in hand photos and videos of this thing. Some shots make it seem like the gilt is very yellow/orange and looks horrible. In Adrian Barker's video, the gilt seems to be much more subtle and the watch looks incredible. Time will tell!
Yeah I'm super excited to see it in person bc of the potential. At the moment it's hard to tell what it'll actually look like given the different lights and potential color edits made for pictures and videos.
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They are keeping the classic non faux old configurations for the BB gmt
As a big fan of the 6536, I find my gilt dial BlackBay 58 to be the best looking of the lot.
This latest 58 GMT version is extremely well designed and will sell well, but I will rather let my GS SBGN003 be the watch of choice when I travel outside my time zone.
Yeah it's going to be a popular watch it ticks a lot of the right boxes. Super excited to see how it looks in person! Ooo the SBGN003 is a mighty fine watch I've had my eye on one for years. GS quartz plus a GMT is a fantastic combo, I'm just hoping that they release a sub 40mm quartz GMT with a rotatable bezel that would make it perfect for me
I own the bbGMT and honestly I am not motivated with this new release. People complain about the size but on my wrist I’m perfectly content
I’m out on the gilt just like I was out on the BB58 OG, I’ll wait it out for the next colorway they release in a year or two like they did the BB58 Blue. When this watch gets the no-gilt version I’ll be there with bells on. Just like last years BB Burgundy was a pass for me but the monochrome has me seriously thinking it’s maybe a better watch than the Sub41.
The colors are perfect for me, but..way too small. I’ll wait for a 40mm-42mm version and get by with my two 42mm Pelagos’ in the interim.
Rid the gilt and add the 5 link bracelet. Hopefully we get that in a year or two.
Well, the issue I have with some of the "new vintage" looking watches is trying to capture the correct aged vintage coloring used on the indices and trimming on the dial. I assume that it must be super difficult to find the exact color because of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that jazz. Sometimes it's too yellow or orange or mustard. IMO the BB58 39mm ref # 79030N hit the bullseye on vintage execution and is one of my favorites.
Yeah I always see the positives in New releases and the BB58 GMT is an overall great watch but the gilt just puts a damper on it. But like you said, we have to see it in person!
Yeah it all depends on how good it is in person and there's still a big chance that it'll be fantastic. I actually don't mind the gilt so long as it's more subtle. Fingers crossed!
From a personal experience with the BB Pro I find that, although I dont love fauxtina looks, I could grow to enjoy an artificially aged looking dial… for about 6 months max. After that, I tend to get bored with the fake aged coloration of dial furnitures.
Ended up selling it to fund the purchase of a black dial 16570 Explorer 2. Couldnt be happier.
I really wish the new 41 had a gilt face option.
I have it in my hands, I love it. I'm pretty sure I'm one of the first people on the planet to actually own one.
i think Tudor nailed it. They have released what all the Rolex fan bois were asking for! Rolex are releasing £30k watches trying to compete with VC and Tudor are filling the Rolex void with more affordable watches - Tudor are becoming what Rolex were in the 80s!
I’m tired of any vintage look watch designs. I won’t buy any Tudor with aged or gold tones. I like modern looking watches like Rolex and my Tudor Pelagos 42. Also why can’t Tudor put ceramic bezels on any of their other models besides the Pelagos? The Tudor Pelagos 42 is the only Tudor I own for this reason. Great opinions and review.
The 58 GMT bezel looks like the S&G GMT bezel on pictures.
I like the 58 GMT, but I agree that it’s too much gilt. If they went white/sliver instead of gilt, everyone would love it.
Wrong.
I like the gilt
The gilt kills it, the reason they did this is to bring a non gilt version later, in the hope they will sell more in total.
I'm guessing it's so they don't eat into Rolex sales, but might be wrong. I think you have a point too.
I agree, if the numerals on that bezel end up looking like an orange tone it will not be a good look. My most favourite watch is my black omega seamaster 300, worn more than anything else. I like vintage style but I like modern too. Everything doesn’t always need to be vintage. Saying that my next purchase is likely to be a BB 54. Imo that release from Tudor last year was better and had more impact on the community in general than the two they have released this year.
Yeah not all watches need heavy vintage design cues and hopefully the BB58 GMT in real life didnt go overboard! The Seamaster 300 is a fantastic watch and i think they get the vintage/modern balance right. If only the No Time To Die SMP300 found that same balance, the fauxtina is far to dark for such an otherwise modern watch.
The BB54 is definitely my favorite BB that I've owned and I dont see that changing anytime soon, on the wrist it strangely enough doesnt feel super vintage while still offering the vintage experience. Going with the original silver bezel numerals was the right move! Excited for you to get the BB54 if/whenever it happens😄
@@thewatchidiot thank you. I agree I didn’t like the fauxtina on the no time to die version either when I tried it on….to close to brown 😂 I’m waiting to see if Tudor will do a 5 link bracelet for the BB54, will give them till September 😂
@laurablockley1269 a five link for the BB54 would be pretty awesome! If the temptation is too strong, check out Uncle Straps' "executive" bracelet for the BB54. At the moment it can't be fit with the Tfit clasp but he's always updating his bracelets which is nice
@@thewatchidiot thanks. Will do :)
It’s nice but I prefer the Pepsi dial.
5:23 the Tudor GMT looks beautiful. The gilt exudes a warm glow that draws your eyes to gaze at it. The minimal text on the dial was an excellent design choice as well. However, for the folks that tremble at the thought of a little color and prefer a flat - uninspiring dial with excessive text - along with a hideously cheap green box... Rolex offers the monotonous Submariner. You see, there is something for everyone.
I like it but I will wait for a lower priced second hand one.
Patience is undoubtedly a virtue😁
The ixdao vintage gmt blows the doors of this turd left and right.
I cant wait for the BB58 GMT blue, next year guaranteed it will come. Not a fan of guilt, just makes a tool watch look to bling bling 😮 oh I do own the BB58 blue and love it. 😊
Yeah no doubt that newer colorways will be coming and I'm excited to see what else they do with this movement! thinner BB Pro and a Pelagos 39 gmt would be fantastic
I went way up and came way down. The thought of the coke bezel on a 58 GMT was too perfect. But, the more I saw it, the less I liked it. Sadly, I'm at the stage now where my interest in generally gone. Might take a look at the Monta.
Yeah i had a similar journey although I've still got some hope that it'll work in real life! it'll be interesting to see what else they do with this movement. I've had my eye on Monta for a long while although the previous version of the skyquest was my favorite of the bunch. Comparing the new version to the BB58 GMT would make for an interesting video tho
The bezel looks vintage but the dial doesn’t.
Exactly- that’s the issue
if only they did what they did with the BB54, relatively subtle gilt dial with silver numerals on the bezel!
@@thewatchidiot I 100% agree.
Interestingly, my only complaint about the watch is the lollipop second hand. For me it makes no sense. It should've had a snowflake second hand, in my humble opinion.
I wouldn't have minded a snowflake seconds hand I think snowflake hands look great. I find the hate some people feel for them quite interesting lol
I think the gilt is what makes Tudor cool , man go see these watches in person , I started off as an omega fanboy, and I have found myself rooting with Tudor , and Rolex is daddy
So let me get this straight. Everyone went bananas over the Rolex gmt master 2 root beer but with this Tudor everyone is sick of it
hoping🙏for a blueberry bezel gmt
Bonne vidéo, complètement d'accord avec vous.
Il fallait arrêter avec le côté vintage et partir sur du moderne, avec bracelet sans faux rivets, ce serait beaucoup plus classique pour tout le monde, il va falloir attendre quelques années pour avoir ces évolutions ? Et les payer au prix des rolex actuelles....🤔🤷♂️ voilaxle jeux de TUDOR/ROLEX
You are totally right … too over done …
That render of the non gilt gmt is stunning. Don't like the gilt gmt at all. Monochrome 41 is the way forward here.
Yeah fingers crossed that something non gilt is released in the future! Or maybe someone can make replacement bezels for it in the meantime that would be amazing as well although I'm sure Tudor wouldn't be pleased lol
Over thinking causes paralysis!
They got all the way to THE watch everyone was asking for and then screwed up the end game.
The bezel red should have been like the Diet Pepsi, the text should have been white on the bezel, and the markers and dial text should have been white.
So close but, based on pics and trying on the Diet Pepsi, I think I’d pick the Diet Pepsi over this BB58 GMT and live with the thickness.
Fingers crossed for whatever Rudor releases next time with this movement! And that's awesome that you tried one on. Which AD was it and was it in the US? How intense is the color of the gilt bezel in real life?
Size is great , color is terrible, why can’t they get the pro this thin ?
I'm sure a thinner BB Pro will come at some point given the money they spent to make this new movement. The future is looking good!
@@thewatchidiot I somehow missed it was a new movement. Get everyone’s money twice !
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Pelegos 39 GMT is what we want. Just in black and white or blue. Simple.
Tudor always seems to miss the mark of what the majority want. If this was the same colour as the larger one, with a jubilee strap option, nobody would be complaining. Same as the BB58 should always have been monochrome as an option.
Its funny cause San Martin makes homages of exactly what everyone wants, blue BB54, matt coloured Pelegos 39s, and this in the colour it should be......
Yeah given the money spent on creating this new movement, I'm sure that a Pelagos 39 will be coming at some point. a BB58 monochrome would be a fantastic watch for sure! Lol yeah San Martin keeps giving people what they want and the quality is pretty next level. the SN007 62MAS homage is one of my favorite watches
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Still THIIIICK....ugh! The more i see the 58 GMT, the more I dislike the bracelet also. I realized seeing the Pro with it, the bracelet looks fine on and fits the "Engineering look" of the Pro, but looks weird on the 58 GMT.
Now that blue smiling BB looked really good on leather. If I didnt already know how thick it is😢
The monochrome is dead perfect!!
Too much trying to convince us it’s something it’s not. It is not the Master II coke we expected. And, it is not a vintage watch.
That said, I really like the 41 Monochrome which is not a No Date Sub. Perhaps it is that Tutor made Mil Subs, so it might feel more legit? Dunno. The heart wants what it wants.
Yeah hopefully it manages to hit the right balance in real life! But yeah they did well with the Monochrome and I'm really wanting one especially on the jubilee to change things up. I get what youre saying, it feels more like its own thing and the fully crisp white indices and silver bezel numerals makes it feel like its a watch from the present day. Nothing overtly vintage about it
It sounds like I’m in the minority, but not enough gilt. Give me an S&G version!
Weirdly enough i think if it was S&G it would have worked better! at the moment it almost feels like they went a bit too far given the all steel nature of the watch. I'm sure an S&G version will come out at some point
Gilt gilt gilt! I have to say nothing is more annoying then watching someone complain about noise in the background, just edit it out and do your video. By keeping it in your allowing us to simply watch you complain, just trying to be constructive, great video.
I'd like to see the BB Pro in a thinner case without the snow flake hands.
A thinner case maybe but you can't forget about getting anything other than snowflake hands. That's simply the handset Tudor uses for the Black Bay and Pelagos. They're here to stay.
The 58 GMT leans waaayyyy too hard into the retro vibe - I'd never buy it. Fake rivets, Gilt overdose, "Photena" (?), industrial bracelet look, etc.
It looks way to vintage way too much faux going on. I strongly doubt in years from now any watch with faux patina is going to be desirable or sort after. I just don't see it happening
Tudor homages itself.
I don’t get these videos, you’ve ordered this watch, yet you’ve made an 8 minute video critiquing it. Watch people are bizarre. Comparison is the thief of joy.
Good review man! I’m not excited with the new BB58 GMT. In fact, it made me love my Black Bay Pro even more than ever. 😍
Thanks glad to hear you enjoyed the video! I can totally see why you feel that way, I really enjoyed my BB Pro while I had it and sometimes I do really miss that watch! If they update it with this movement it might give me enough reason to rebuy it😁
I dont like the 58 GMT. i don't like how the gilt makes it look and the text GMT and then master chronometer does not look pleasing in my eyes. Not balanced.
i agree with you regarding tudor's over use of guild and making all their watches "vintage". I disagree with you saying if the tudor gmt didn't have the guild accents then it would look to much like a rolex. a future rolex coke will have a ceramic bezel which would be drastically different than an aluminum insert.
I dont think that a BB58 GMT with the gilt would look much like the Rolex GMT master ii either! I actually prefer aluminum bezels since they are matte most of the time.
My mention of Rolex and there not being a version without the gilt was more referring to the fact that Rolex and Tudor very rarely make watches that could be seen as similar. There's always at least one point of differentiation like size, material, or color
This is overthinking at its finest.
I think the gilt only works with the all black bezel. But this is what people wanted, a 58 GMT. Tudor will sell millions of them. Just not to me.
Yeah I think it's close enough for right now bc it's an overall great package but it'll be interesting to see what other colors they do in the future and if there will be gilt free options
Get rid of the guilt, add a Pepsi version and get rid of the rivets, essentially the bracelet from the gold BB that was released, but in steel, and you would have an almost perfect watch.
They get the girlie model they were all craving, and still they moan.
Totally agree - the colour on the bezel is gash
Tudor is HOMAGE brand and nothing else,they don’t have their design language except those awfull snowflake dials!
That is not true. They get some traction due to Rolex sure. I am sure many buy them because they are good not because of Rolex association alone. 4-5k is not impulse buy for most, Rolex non availability is a big problem. Rolex are over priced in my opinion and long wait is even not worth it at all.
I mean Tudor isn’t a homage brand it’s more of an heritage brand , they rely on old designs for theirs and then touch them up for the future. Hans wilsdorf created the brand Tudor for everyone to be able to own Rolex quality but in different price classes where as Rolexes for the most part had their own movements Tudor used bought movements which made them more achievable and cheaper for the normal guy
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