Scale Modelling Tutorial | The Ultimate Guide to Washes

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  • Hello folks and welcome to my Ultimate Guide to Washes !
    This video is aimed at the Beginner but I'm sure advanced modellers might also find it useful.
    how do you apply a wash to a scale model?
    What can I use as a wash?
    How do I thin a wash?
    does a wash work on a matt surface?
    can you make a wash with Oil paint?
    are pre made washes good?
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  • @mehusla
    @mehusla 2 роки тому +39

    I’m 73 and been using washes for decades. This video tutorial is brilliant!

  • @power_SERG
    @power_SERG 3 роки тому +7

    The only wash tutorial you'll ever need.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Thanks mate ! That's very kind 😊

  • @SmallSoldier
    @SmallSoldier 3 роки тому +28

    Excellent and thorough explanation of washes James! I agree on all points, especially on gloss coats. I don't use much gloss anymore, on armour models I never have. I do prefer using my own mix of oils or enamels "the world is your oyster"... as they say. Your colour palette will have an infinite number of possibilities. Excellent production value as well, Cheers!

    • @ericssincty6537
      @ericssincty6537 3 роки тому +2

      Well said.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +2

      Very true Scott thankyou, I have a bit of a 50/50 approach, I use a lot of oils but a few convenience colours have crept in lately. Take care !

  • @sweatilaa5325
    @sweatilaa5325 2 роки тому +3

    finally a video that explain washes properly. so many just repeat same sludge wash tips over and over again, now i actually understand what the other products are actually used for

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  2 роки тому

      Thanks ! I tried really hard to cram in the important information and not just the basics !

    • @sweatilaa5325
      @sweatilaa5325 2 роки тому

      @@lpjmodels as someone who just got into building and painting miniature things and such some 3 months ago, when would you suggest I expand my collection of paints and such to include more enamel based products? they seem really nice but also like they are more work. though that might be very wrong.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  2 роки тому

      I would reccomend oils, just for the versatility. Make sure you get some mineral spirits ( or odourless) and some medium to high quality oils and you're set for a long time.
      I like the vms light universal weathering carrier because its pretty inert. And for speeding drying ( not essential) their oil expert enhancing medium.
      Get a starter pack of Winton oils and they will be good enough to keep you going. Or a few select artist colours. Once you go there you don't return !

  • @andygorman858
    @andygorman858 3 роки тому +5

    That was brilliant. For years I was doing the sludge wash and thought a\that was all there was to it.....but this changed the game! I bought some Tamiya enamels years ago and they are still ok as I have only used them once with bad results. After seeing this I’m more tempted to try and perfect the wash technique. Thank you for sharing this!

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Andy, its always good to experiment, im not a big user of the sludge wash as the cleanup is a pain, glad I got you inspired!

  • @LRBerry
    @LRBerry 3 роки тому +8

    Thank you for this informative video, it's just what I've been looking for as I'm considering getting back into model building. Things have certainly moved on since the 70s when I started building models. My bedroom ceiling was the location of many a great dogfight.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Thanks Lee, mine started on the ceiling when I was a lot younger, after a few gaps I got back into it full swing , best of luck !

  • @evanandgemma1
    @evanandgemma1 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this short but very informative video. Well done 👍

  • @3414mercury
    @3414mercury 8 місяців тому +2

    This is one of the best videos I’ve seen on YT, on any subject really, but of course on washes. Great production, straight to the point, and stunningly clear! Thank you so much for a video I’m sure I will reference over and over.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  8 місяців тому

      Thanks that's high praise indeed, glad you found the video helpful :)

  • @only_visiting
    @only_visiting 7 місяців тому

    13 minutes of great tips and demos. Thank you.

  • @JM-qz4ik
    @JM-qz4ik Рік тому +2

    very thorough and well composed. Super easy to follow and great examples. Thanks for putting this together

  • @wolf_among_sheep7875
    @wolf_among_sheep7875 Рік тому

    One of the best tutorial vids I’ve seen on UA-cam, Thank You so much. Amazing 🙌

  • @Svemirsky
    @Svemirsky 2 роки тому +1

    This is an absolute top shelf quality tutorial. 10/10

  • @michaelcooke2559
    @michaelcooke2559 2 роки тому

    Very nice tutorial on washes. Thanks for sharing.

  • @taterengine
    @taterengine 3 роки тому

    Thank you for this, I'm still very much learning as I go and stumbled across enamel washes the other day. You've explained and demonstrated it really well. Subbed.

  • @kerrigansmith6024
    @kerrigansmith6024 3 роки тому +1

    Perfect video, explained everything I need to know, cheers.

  • @TwoRavensMinis
    @TwoRavensMinis Рік тому

    Great and informative video. Very well explained and shown in practical application. Thank you!

  • @gilm677
    @gilm677 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent video. This is exactly what I wanted to know when I heard about washes. I watched a bunch of other videos but I missed the basics. Now I really feel better about it. Thank you so much for this. Liked and suscribed! 👍

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  2 роки тому

      Awesome Gil ! I'm glad these tutorials are helping folks

  • @ferbieticklater7429
    @ferbieticklater7429 3 роки тому +1

    Cheers James. That has clarified a few things for me. Good vid as always. Stay safe mate! Happy 2021

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Thanks mate ! Hope you have a good one too !

  • @robbo1068
    @robbo1068 3 роки тому +6

    A valuable and thoroughly enjoyable tutorial, James. Again, your explanations are detailed yet simple to follow and easily understood. Great visuals, too.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Thanks Robbo, mission accomplished!

  • @brucethemodelnoob
    @brucethemodelnoob 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the wash overview. Great explanation of the options available and things to watch out for. I’m definitely going to try the blue/brown trick.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Bruce ! I read about it in a watercolour book a few years ago and decided to give it a try

  • @easy_8
    @easy_8 3 роки тому

    Hi James. This video is just great content! Everything you have said in this here has been the topic of discussion time and time again on our Online Painting Club livestream, from host to guests in live chat. You have answered and demonstrated everything and I will be sure to link this video, and talk about it at length in our next show. Cheers buddy! Nice one!

  • @viper341
    @viper341 5 місяців тому

    Great video possibly the best I've seen on the topic of washes

  • @voodoonights1671
    @voodoonights1671 3 роки тому

    Brilliant description and use of washes .

  • @Matkins85
    @Matkins85 Рік тому

    Very informative video. Thanks for the great tips!

  • @mrcarlo1966
    @mrcarlo1966 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this simple explanation .It is extremely helpful. I hope you do more of these James.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +1

      You're welcome mrcarlo1966 thanks for watching, I'm on the fence with tutorials as the community seem a lot more interested on the whole with the build videos.
      That being said I'm not ruling it out !

  • @JuanAdam12
    @JuanAdam12 3 роки тому +5

    Well-presented. Thank you for this.

  • @rossknowles5608
    @rossknowles5608 3 роки тому +1

    best description ive seen. thanks for the info and clarity

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Thanks Ross ! I really tried to get into the finer workings of the subject!

  • @ChristophC999
    @ChristophC999 Рік тому

    Great vid! I usually use black, brown, light and dark grey Tamiya panel liners. I experimented with making my own color washes on my current build, it worked very well. I only use acrylic, lacquer and enamel paints. This is very useful information for making my own washes from now on.

  • @seasoda3319
    @seasoda3319 Рік тому

    This video was very helpful! Thanks man!

  • @vasili1207
    @vasili1207 3 роки тому +1

    Best video on the topic on UA-cam. Well done and great demos . Take it easy mate.
    Great video composition too

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Vasili thats great to hear, thanks a lot !

  • @chriswobcke7271
    @chriswobcke7271 3 роки тому +1

    This is the very best tutorial I have ever seen on explaining and applying washes. Keep up the great work. Thank you very much. :)

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Thanks Chris that's really good to hear, I tried to be very thorough !

  • @JohnSmith-zv8km
    @JohnSmith-zv8km 2 роки тому

    A real education for me on these techniques thank you

  • @lostmymindin79
    @lostmymindin79 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this most excellent guide.

  • @marcelodeniz3932
    @marcelodeniz3932 Рік тому

    Excellent tutorial!

  • @davidrussell8783
    @davidrussell8783 3 роки тому

    The tutorial I was looking for. Thank you.

  • @uncardedreviews9721
    @uncardedreviews9721 Рік тому

    Great 👍 instructional video. Very helpful 👌

  • @SteveJonesScaleModellingSite
    @SteveJonesScaleModellingSite 3 роки тому

    Interesting video. Always make my own washes and filters. Thanks for sharing

  • @rl7103
    @rl7103 2 роки тому

    Just get into painting statue and mini , this video really helps a lot .Thank you !

  • @user-pf7xf3zm6c
    @user-pf7xf3zm6c 10 місяців тому +1

    Excellent video. Really clear and helpful. I'll definitely have a go!

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  10 місяців тому

      Thankyou, good luck 👍

  • @vicsminiatures7949
    @vicsminiatures7949 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent review and application of washes. Well done James.

  • @mscandlex
    @mscandlex 2 роки тому

    I learned a lot of thing about washes that I was unaware of. Thanks a lot for sharing this :D Im gonna apply some of these tips soon enough

  • @PGNogueira
    @PGNogueira 3 роки тому +2

    A very well done tutorial!
    Kudos!

  • @ashpitcher3
    @ashpitcher3 6 місяців тому

    Awesome stiff mate. Very well done!

  • @ScytheNoire
    @ScytheNoire Рік тому

    6:29 Watching the wash flow down the seam is so satisfying.

  • @aylutz
    @aylutz 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome tutorial! Very informative. Thank you!

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  2 роки тому

      I'm glad you found it helpful !

  • @smiffysmodellinghangar8003
    @smiffysmodellinghangar8003 3 роки тому +1

    Great and handy video. My and my brother were just discussing most of this today.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Debate is never a bad thing, especially with subjective techniques like this , thanks Ben

  • @paulmcerlane9998
    @paulmcerlane9998 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for explaining. Am currently just experimenting at on old kits. Keep up the good work.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  2 роки тому

      Thanks Paul ! Keep practising that's the key to this modelling lark !

  • @ontheedge4life
    @ontheedge4life 3 роки тому +1

    I really enjoy your videos. I just subscribed and I’m working my way through all of them

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Thanks John ! I hope they keep you entertained

  • @ada42klm
    @ada42klm 10 місяців тому

    I'm 2 years late but that was an outstanding video my friend. Thank you so much. Kudos to you...

  • @Lukabrazi69
    @Lukabrazi69 Рік тому

    Super helpful video! Thank you very much. I subscribed.

  • @davidbrohede
    @davidbrohede 4 місяці тому

    Very clear and helpful, thanks!

  • @cliffherring7006
    @cliffherring7006 2 роки тому

    Perfection James. ThanX!

  • @THROTTLEPOWER
    @THROTTLEPOWER 3 роки тому +1

    Nice video...... I love using different washes.

  • @kampfgruppepeiper501
    @kampfgruppepeiper501 2 роки тому

    Love that I found your channel! Subbed

  • @alvarogarciagarcia1877
    @alvarogarciagarcia1877 2 роки тому

    What a great video!!! Thank you

  • @takuchanmovieproduction5772
    @takuchanmovieproduction5772 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for this excellent beginners guide,really well explained.
    I, as a German with mediocre understanding of English, had zero problems to understand everything.
    Thanks👍

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Vielen Dank!
      I'm glad it was easy to understand , I bet your English is much much better than my German 😀

  • @Vmssupplies
    @Vmssupplies 3 роки тому +1

    Very informative and well crafted material!

  • @kerimuyar
    @kerimuyar Рік тому

    Amazing tutorial. Thanks Mr. ....... :)

  • @StaplesandVine
    @StaplesandVine 3 роки тому +4

    Very useful, back to basics, just what I need. Thanks James.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Sera we hope alls well on your end !

  • @aaronbeaty377
    @aaronbeaty377 2 роки тому

    Thanks! This is very helpful

  • @jefforymitchell5697
    @jefforymitchell5697 5 місяців тому

    So washes are basically Ambient Occlusion for models. This was a lot of help, cheers.

  • @mp-modelplastic
    @mp-modelplastic 3 роки тому +1

    Great video, very good tips of weathering. Greetings from Portugal.

  • @johnreeve2942
    @johnreeve2942 3 роки тому

    Great video, thanks for making it 👍🏻

  • @scalemodelmaker659
    @scalemodelmaker659 3 роки тому +1

    James that was a really well done tutorial! I have a large supply of oil paints (I'm a watercolor artist who thinks he is an oil painter at times). I am going to experiment with oil washes. I've always used "out of the bottle" washes.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +1

      Its definately worth a go, I work in an Art retailer so I have things to hand, I used to paint but it was a bit naff, so switched back to this hobby.

  • @madaprak
    @madaprak 2 роки тому

    Very useful. Thanks👍

  • @nickmaiorelle164
    @nickmaiorelle164 2 роки тому +1

    Great work mate

  • @foreverplastickits138
    @foreverplastickits138 3 роки тому +1

    *Thanks for this excellent guide! 👍*

  • @jstr8
    @jstr8 3 роки тому +1

    Fantastic work! ✌

  • @leesouter9627
    @leesouter9627 3 роки тому +1

    Brilliant tutorial simple and easy to understand. It would be great if you would use a flory models wash in a future build as I find this product super easy to use and almost impossible to mess up, keep up the excellent work.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Hi Lee thankyou ! I know a fair few people who like the Flory washes because of their easy of use, I never got on with them myself. They are easy to use but I didnt like the finish :(

  • @jmartin9865
    @jmartin9865 3 роки тому +1

    This was super helpful, thanks!!

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks, glad it helped !

  • @boblum3360
    @boblum3360 3 роки тому

    Thank you this was a great vid

  • @LLULL-yn1rr
    @LLULL-yn1rr 2 роки тому

    Good job, PRO.

  • @thedouxd8018
    @thedouxd8018 Рік тому

    Hugely helpful! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @pepper624
    @pepper624 2 роки тому

    Thank you my friend. Grazie 😊

  • @wiggy5209
    @wiggy5209 2 роки тому +2

    A sludge wash can tint your base colour but you can rectify that by highlighting the raised areas in your initial paint colour by dry brushing...or edge highlighting. i know this is known but just thought id mention that in case it puts anyone off of using a wash

  • @TimTinhTran
    @TimTinhTran Рік тому

    very nice man, thanks.

  • @rcrockin1828
    @rcrockin1828 Рік тому +1

    Well done video I would've made a huge mistake and washed over a matte finish if hadn't watched.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  Рік тому

      You can totally wash over matt, certain colours like the rust I use stain more. But less dramatic colours work well. I often go over matt these days

  • @AirandGroundinScale
    @AirandGroundinScale 3 роки тому +1

    James, very nice tutorial! It would have been great, if I knew things you mention before I learned it the hard way (acrylic wash on acrylic base coat, etc.) :D Thanks a lot for sharing!!!

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +1

      Most of us had to learn the hard way ! Thankyou my freind for the kind words

  • @rgp8038
    @rgp8038 3 роки тому +1

    Just what I was looking for.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Brilliant RGP good to hear!

  • @albertomedrano1886
    @albertomedrano1886 6 місяців тому

    Muy buena ayuda! Gracias!

  • @ElSzkuBanY
    @ElSzkuBanY 3 роки тому +1

    Great video, I'm looking for a more of those. Good work :)

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Many thanks ! Any ideas for the pipeline ?

    • @ElSzkuBanY
      @ElSzkuBanY 3 роки тому

      @@lpjmodels Maybe about pigments?

  • @onecheesey
    @onecheesey 3 роки тому +1

    Nice little video...cheers from a fellow metal head 🤘🤘

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Thanks Steven ! Gotta love a few good tunes, although podcasts have been accompanying me on the bench lately! 🤘

  • @igorpimkov5392
    @igorpimkov5392 2 роки тому

    thank you very much

  • @thepiratepenguin4465
    @thepiratepenguin4465 3 роки тому

    I wish this type of info was available 5 years ago when I got back in to modeling.

  • @longriflem14
    @longriflem14 Рік тому

    Great video. Do you think you can maybe explain washes on top coats or clear coats because I had Vallejo wash, destroy paint and a top coat as well as Mig destroyed a top coat as well. I know you briefly talked about compatibility but I was with paint

  • @bademusoctavianjuvenal2702
    @bademusoctavianjuvenal2702 2 роки тому

    Really helpful. Sadly I dont have any washes in my local stores, and I only ever buy acrylic (revell) paints since I have had a really bad experience with enamel (again revell, revell is also pretty much everything I use since the selection is limited) paints as a beginner. Since you need a contrary type to a base color type (for acrylics you need enamel washes and the other way around) I don't think I will be doing washes any time soon. Maybe Ill try and master dry brushing first. Awesome video :D

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  2 роки тому

      Use enamels to make your wash, just don't use enamel thinner, get some white spirit or odourless oil thinner !

  • @RimsModels
    @RimsModels 3 роки тому +1

    Great video and tutorial my friend stay safe 👍🙏

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +1

      Many thanks Rim's models

  • @_robbo9053
    @_robbo9053 5 місяців тому

    Thank you

  • @ModelMinutes
    @ModelMinutes 3 роки тому +3

    Yeah........
    This was pretty ultimate 😂

  • @keithjones5971
    @keithjones5971 3 роки тому +3

    Hi James. Always enjoyed your videos. Started using your blue/umber mix some time back. Its certainly very effective and adaptable. Apologies if its been asked before but what brand of sable brushes do you use?

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      Hi Keith now that's a can of worms,
      Here are my favorites , all very good brushes just different options that I have used a lot.
      Cost effective brushes, the pro arte series 2a designer kolinsky are affordable and great quality. The 2a designer bristles are slightly longer giving you a bit more capacity. Starts at about £4
      Artis opus series S, very good, one of the best but prices are a bit fruity. Over £10 a brush.
      Raphael 8404. Big belly for a standard brush and a excellent point, workhorse , one of the best, starts at about £7 a brush .

  • @wildolan
    @wildolan Рік тому

    Many thanks. excellent video, very clear and accessable. One to hang on to and rewatch. Can I ask what the difference between washes and glazes are? Apologies if it is a stupid question. cheers. ps. I like the brown blue mix for black. defo one I will try.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  Рік тому

      Thanks ! A wash is used to pick out details while a glaze Is used to change the tone of something. Usually you want a wash to run while you want a glaze to stay put

  • @xsamitt
    @xsamitt Рік тому

    Epic!!!

  • @farkastamas1982
    @farkastamas1982 3 роки тому +1

    Great, informative video with nice presentation. the only point i miss is what type of brush to use for enamels or acrillics bc sometimes i find myself ruining a fine tip brush in an hour. i mean natural hair for enamel/oil and synthetic for acrillics os something. but after all this video is about the washes themselves, and for that is excellent, thank you for sharing!

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +1

      Tamás thankyou, I use natural hair for 99% of my work, just make sure to clean them well and treat them to a good brush soap every few weeks and they last well .

    • @farkastamas1982
      @farkastamas1982 3 роки тому

      @@lpjmodels Thank you Sir!

  • @brettkp1
    @brettkp1 3 роки тому +1

    Great video. Just a couple of questions - 1) How long do you leave an enamel or acrylic wash before cleaning it up? 2) Can you apply acrylic wash over a gloss/satin polyurethane varnish without damaging the acrylic paint under the varnish? Thanks

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому +1

      Hi Brett, thanks, sorry for the slow reply !
      .1 as soon as the thinner has evaporated you can start cleaning up. Depending on atmosphere 10-30 mins.
      2. You can apply an acrylic wash but you won't be able to manipulate it after very well. Unless you clean up with water when it's still wet

  • @willthorson4543
    @willthorson4543 3 роки тому +1

    Sounds crazy, but I tend to use up to 7 different washes so I get a ton of depth. It's not sloppy but very defined. Works for me.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      It takes as many as you need ! Layers are key to getting an interesting finish so wholeheartedly approve !

  • @natalebabbo-gunplaanddioramas
    @natalebabbo-gunplaanddioramas 2 роки тому +1

    Very interesting and useful video. I subscribed to your channel and will watch more of your other uploads, as the models look really nice. Have you ever thought about doing gunpla (gundam models)? I do both (mostly gunpla lately, though). Excellent for experimenting since you do not have to be historically accurate.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Natale, much appreciated. I dont mind a bit of Sci fi but gundam doesn't do anything for me !

    • @natalebabbo-gunplaanddioramas
      @natalebabbo-gunplaanddioramas 2 роки тому

      @@lpjmodels, I get it LPJ. Keep up the great modeling. I do really like the way you build and paint your models.

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  2 роки тому +1

      Thankyou ! I hope that didn't come across as dismissive, I can really appreciate what work goes into any model, and you can get some wicked looking gundam, just haven't ever had the itch 😀

    • @natalebabbo-gunplaanddioramas
      @natalebabbo-gunplaanddioramas 2 роки тому

      @@lpjmodels, absolutely not. Do not worry a bit. I like traditional modeling and gunpla alike but that does not mean everyone has to do the same. My question was out of curiosity. Ciao!

  • @hamishsheinkels1478
    @hamishsheinkels1478 3 роки тому +1

    Intresting

  • @marcelodeniz3932
    @marcelodeniz3932 Рік тому

    thanks

  • @trooperx417
    @trooperx417 3 роки тому +1

    This tutorial has been really helpful, thanks a lot! I generally use enamel paints but am tempted to try a panel line wash using enamels to take advantage of the longer drying time. Would putting an acrylic varnish on before the wash be enough, or would it be better to use acrylic paints from the beginning?

    • @lpjmodels
      @lpjmodels  3 роки тому

      You can use an acrylic barrier coat Iain, that will help, make sure its even and covers everything though or you might compromise your underlying work.
      Acrylics are a great paint and I like them but there will be a learning curve, laquers are my fave, things like ak real colour, and MRP are slowly taking over, they can take enamel weathering products fine and spray beautifully

    • @trooperx417
      @trooperx417 3 роки тому

      @@lpjmodels That's great, thanks for the confirmation! I've never tried lacquer paints before but they sound like the way forward, so will try and get my hands on some 🙂

  • @JE-hr6he
    @JE-hr6he 2 роки тому

    Excellent - but if you need to do a pin/panel line wash on gloss what would you recommend?