It's all over for Andretti
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- F1 have shut down Andretti's hopes of becoming the 11th team in Formula 1. The decision was met with fierce criticism since Andretti did just about everything that was asked of them. F's key claims included the presumption that Andretti didn't provide "value" to the sport, and that they wouldn't be competitive. Andretti responded with class, and the door is still open for 2028. But, how realistic is that? Enjoy.
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Andretti and Cadillac each bring more than enough value independent of one another. This is such BS given the fuss about American marketing.
Are you sure? Do have some sources?
@@opfijqwhnienA proper American team that is very successful and famous in the US already PLUS getting GM involved with them as well. It’s pretty obvious they’ll bring a lot of value. A lot more than the joke of a team that is Haas or the credit card team.
@@opfijqwhnien There is zero need for sources unless you've been under a rock Andretti/Cadillac have proven themselves in nearly every motorsports series they've been involved in.
Do the F1 teams have proof? Do they have some sources?@@opfijqwhnien
Because FOM doesn't care about America...just our money
Andretti has everything that is required and wanted by F1.
The greed is disgusting, and it makes no sense. Yes, you are giving up a piece of the pie, but Andretti makes the pie much bigger than it ever has been.
I'm not American, and I generally dont like it when these arguments are made, but I do smell some anti-Americanism in this.
They want American money but not an american team. Also liberty can just raise the total prize pool since they take such a massive amount of the cut but nah
What “greed” exactly?
The dilution of the prize money is what makes *the teams* not want addetti in. But they can’t choose.
The FiA states that for this evaluation the teams weren’t even consulted. It’s about broadcast and tv etc, they consulted all the money-making entities connected, and there was no expected financial gain.
That is paired with the fact that Andretti wanted to join for both 25 and 26, implying that they would make 2 completely different cars with 2 different regulations at their very entrance in the sport, one after the other. That basically means they have no idea how complex it is. It is quite normal that they will join and then need time to understand the functioning and performance of everything before making adjustments and start being competitive. F1 is very complex.
So those 2 things together meant no gain for FiA: it would barely makes sense with the hope that Andretti gets podiums and wins, but not if they want to join just one year before a rule change.
Add the fact that Andretti was summoned in December, after FIA review their October submission, to be able to present their case face-to-face, and then Andretti didn’t even go..
I wish Andretti joined.
But after all, it’s a business, so in pure american freedom capitalistic view, they don’t owe Andretti anything. Would you start a business deal with someone that can’t ensure he will add anything to your business, and that makes it clear in the first proposal of entry that doesn’t even understand the business, and you still set up an hiring interview, and they don’t even show up?
Again, I wish they joined.
From a sport point of view: some team is always gonna be last. If Haas can be last, why can’t Andretti join and at least try? It may start in the back, and quickly gain with experience.
But from a business point of view: why would they start a collaboration without ensuring it’s profitable?
Consider that even just one team joining means so many more technical challenges. Even just thousands of tires more to produce, just to name one thing. Which they surely can afford.. but why would F1 risk anything, it’s a business.
Yes, it’s a sport only in facade: since the *American* Liberty Media joined, it’s a business.
Either you bring money or you stay out. There is your American way.
What is sure to bring F1 money, for example, was/is the Netflix series.
That’s much more valuable than Andretti joining for them, if it makes sense.
How is it “greed” and not just a simple basic business logic? The American way.
@@tommasoannoni4836billionaires don’t need prize money. Money has nothing to do with this decision. This is personal. F1 doesn’t want real competition, especially against Americans. HAAS was allowed to join but not allowed to be competitive. Sargent was allowed to join but only on the slowest car. Andretti is racing royalty in the US and will be the top contender instantly and this is scary for other teams.
@@joelmaxwell3407 That’s.. not really true.
Haas is not competitive because they never had much money to invest. No one “didn’t allow” them to be competitive.
Sargent found the seat he could.
Fom/fia have no input on those decisions. If you’re a very fast driver and have superlicence points and decent sponsors, every teams will want you, no matter your nationality.
F1 doesn’t wan’t real competition?
There are teams already competing..
Also do you know that F1 rights have been bought by Liberty Media, an american company based in Colorado?
Go complain to them.
@@tommasoannoni4836 100%. I dont understand why everyone wants to pretend free enterprise isnt a thing.
If they said “we feel that 22 cars on the track will be unsafe and therefore we need further time to analyse the situation.” I think I, and most other people would have accepted it.
Saying they will bring “no value” is like saying that if Mick Schumacher started a team called Schumacher will bring no value…? Really?
Who is Haas? In the world of F1 who is he? Andretti has F1 pedigree…!
Hell, Haas were a backmarker team in NASCAR for 7 full seasons until 2009. And you know what happened then? Gene Haas sold to Tony Stewart who basically became a controlling co-owner. Hell, they were so bad in 2008 that Tony actually was racing with the "Past Champion" provisional which guaranteed him a spot in the first 5 races just in case he couldn't get in on qualifying speed. But what happened that year? Tony won 4 races and had 23 top 10s, while Ryan Newman had 15 top 10s, and they finished 6th and 8th in the championship.
Until Gene Haas STOPPED being the controlling owner and let someone else run the day-to-day, they were a joke and a no-name that brought nothing to the sport of NASCAR. The only value on track that Gene Haas brought to NASCAR was having someone else buy his team. Someone with pedigree, ironically.
F1 are sounding like spoiled brats here afraid of letting some new kid in the neighborhood into their treehouse
well iirc teams tracks with grade 1 licenses must have spots for 24 cars, and they already let another a team on the grid for the apple F1 movie so that excuse was DOA too
HASS is a NASCAR outfit that accidentally bought a F1 Team. They have no business being in the sport. Andretti has open wheel success in INDY, they also run WEC and Formula E.
Haas is a catastrophe.
This just ticked me off for SOO many reasons but above all else I feel for Mario. The man competed for the sport, risked his life in the most dangerous era of motorsport to build a racing empire and F1 obviously sees the appeal of Andretti or else they wouldn’t be using the name to market in USA even having him drive a modern Mclaren around COTA. All that and yet to get told “ you don’t bring to the sport “ just felt disrespectful.
Mario Andretti being disrespected is like Doc Hudson being told "you're history" in cars 1. After everything he did, this is how they treat him???
I totally agree with you guys. Well said gentleman
Disgraceful decision, I long for the day F1 regrets this decision.
I cancelled my F1 tv subscription over this. I know, they aren’t going out of business over one subscription but I refuse to spend my money on this organization going forward.
That’s a bit extreme….
Did the same after watching f1 for almost 27 years
Lol I have been pirating it for years
@@magnustan841 nope, perfectly reasonable action. FOM are being petulant and they should be taught a fucking lesson.
F1TV has zero to do with this FOM decision.
I wouldn't say it's over for Andretti... They will keep racing in great series they love and they're welcome in. It's more all over for F1...
Yep, the F1 door is apparently open for 2028 still but I just don’t buy it
@@MadeByPerspective if you read the assessment, you'll notice that they don't care about Andretti, they just want a General Motors works team.
Now I just hope for the new Audi board to not be interested in F1.
And actually the FIA is investigating the FOM decision
And since the Concorde Agreement ends in 2025, it's likely the FIA will force their hand to allow Andretti in
@@MadeByPerspectivethe $200 million payment Andretti would have to make to each F1 team for entry will be around $600 million by the time 2028 rolls around. My guess is that played a huge part in this.
holy moly that jumpscare at the end
Yup it was too freaking loud
I thought the same thing. Good thing I was not wearing headphones.
@@AndyFromBeavertondamn, I was!
frick that almost blew my speakers apart
Lol bass boosted to the maxxxxx
Lotus, Virgin, and HRT were never a threat. No money, no experience and the other teams blocked the cost cap for 2010.
Haas were expected to be the same, but shook everyone when they came out of the box doing really well. Since then they've largely been the reason for their own downward spiral, but that's another story.
If Haas could ruffle feathers like that, then imagine what Andretti could do with genuine financial backing and the wealth of talent they're trying to poach.
The teams and FOM don't want someone who can come in and genuinely disturb the status quo, so they're throwing any excuse to keep them out.
Do you think that that thing regarding challenging for podiums is an indicator from FOM that any new team has to be immediately challenging Red Bull to and topple them without resorting to changing the rules and irking the fandom?
Also that "Ayyy" at the end was far too loud. Gave me a fright.
Wow wasn't expecting to see the man in the ladder here! Love both channels!
I would love to see Andretti show up at COTA with a working car and be able to take laps during the F1 weekend in front of the fans.
I had that thought too, Just build it and do a tour like the Porchse 919 did and hit a few tracks and put down times. Cadillac is doing great in WEC I have no doubt they could figure out an F1 engine in no time.
Just how are would they ever get in the gate?
Imagine if they did that and posted a competitive lap time.
weird that the hamilton to ferrari news came right after the andretti situation
Yeah they set up a smoke screen... stefano domacali
Not weird at all, expected.
@@brucemckay7828 cover up to Distract the fans from Stefano and toto turning down and ready and GM. I don't believe in coincidences...
IF the main (real) reason for this is not wanting to share prize money, then I suggest that Ferrari let go of their annual "congratulations you exist" 50 Million $ a year, that way that money could be split among the current 10 teams and a new team can enter without taking anything away from them.
The dilution of the prize money is what makes *the teams *not want addetti in. But they can’t choose.
The FiA states that for this evaluation the teams weren’t even consulted. It’s about broadcast and tv etc, they consulted all the money-making entities connected, and there was no expected financial gain.
That is paired with the fact that Andretti wanted to join for both 25 and 26, implying that they would make 2 completely different cars with 2 different regulations at their very entrance in the sport. That basically means they have no idea how complex it is. It is quite normal that they will join and then need time to understand the functioning and performance of everything before making adjustments and start being competitive. F1 is very complex.
So those 2 things together meant no gain for FiA: it would barely makes sense with the hope that Andretti gets podiums and wins, but not if they want to join just one year before a rule change.
Add the fact that Andretti was summoned in December, after FIA review their October submission, to be able to present their case face-to-face, and then Andretti didn’t even go..
I wish Andretti joined.
But after all, it’s a business, so in pure american freedom capitalistic view, they don’t owe Andretti anything. Would you start a business deal with someone that can’t ensure he will add anything to your business, and that makes it clear in the first proposal of entry that doesn’t even understand the business, and you still set up an hiring interview, and they don’t even show up?
@@tommasoannoni4836 that's true, but don't think for a second the chorus of whines from every single team's brass didn't affect the outcome. F1 as a sport stands to lose nothing at all, commercially as a whole there is no even feasible way to claim that adding a known name and a works team from a famous automaker in F1's fastest growing market somehow lessens the financial value of F1. The only actual loss is the dividing of the prize pool, and especially the teams that were willing to spend 200 million more per year just 5 years ago are somehow put on life support by sacrificing less than 10% of the prize pool, happened to be the most vocal about it.
@@jaegerman66 I get that.
Consider tho that over time those teams investe ed tens of billions of dollars comulatively to get the sport where it is now.
And now I want to join and benefit from that success day 1.
I get your point of view, but let’s admit it’s not super easy, it’s a business.
I think they should (have) sit (sat) down and made rules more clear already, in the past, on who and how can join, what are the limits etc. The situation is super confused.
Btw again I don’t think Andretti would be competitive from the get go but I’d love to see them compete ASAP.
Hopefully it’s just happening in ‘28.
But why not ‘26.
@@tommasoannoni4836I want to know what gives you the feeling that Andretti have no idea how complex designing a car for F1 is? I mean they always come in a sport prepared I.E formula E with avalanche, they already has alot of facilities up and running, they are poaching many talents for big teams like RB and Merc and actively working on the chassis for their entry. Do you just think its impossible for a team to make 2 different cars especially when they have GM money?
@@bilfbunter2248 So, I don’t think that they have no idea what they are doing at all (if I said that verbatim it was an exaggeration or a metaphor).
But, you can see that even a team as successful as Mercedes, who dominated the sport for almost a decade, can get it wrong once, and then they need *years* to catch up (assuming Mercedes will even be able to, honestly. There would be a long discussion about how they dominated the hybrid era.. conflict of interest, basically, they developed the new engine years before anyone else).
And they can absolutely do 2 cars in 2 years, but that means re-starting a project, not developing it.
So I understand they have the money, but that irrelevant for this point: they need time. That’s all I’m saying.
Other categories like formula E are so far, so different from F1, that I don’t think you can even repurpose facilities (that said, think Andretti is building the one they need).
Poaching engineers is great, but the main vision still requires testing stuff on track.
What I am saying is that there is really a huge difference from any other racing category to F1.
F1’s are not like “the faster” cars ever: in a drag race, even some road sport cars (elite ones) can easily beat them in acceleration and top speed.
But, over a lap on a track, F1 cars are unbeatable. Nothing gets even close, from indie to endurance to DTS to Nascar or whatever else, they are on average up to 30 sec slower than an F1 car, on a less than 2 minutes lap.
This means that in F1 you have the most complex aerodynamics ever, which are paired with (for example) suspensions etc which are not the same as other series, because the car needs to be “drivable”, balanced, stable, etc, from straight line to extremely fast corners and under heavy amounts of downforce.
(An F1 car could drive upside-down in a tunnel, staying stuck to the ceiling, over a certain speed: and I am not talking about rotating and centrifugal effect, I am talking about the car creating so many Gs of downforce vertically, just going straight, that it would stick to ceiling, easily beating gravity. No other car on the planet does that.
So you have 2 things, at the core:
1) the engine (Mercedes dominated an era with that),
2) the aero (+ all mechanicals).
To get both right, you need time, year’s, learning/estimating/designing from cfd (computer fluids simulations etc, complex physics software that attempts to predict the air behavior and give you numbers about where and how the air will go, how much it will generate vortexes, how to channel them, etc, and estimating where and how much downforce you are generating) and wind tunnel, with under scale models that have a cap speed around 150mph, to check on the road (at over 200mph) how the thing actually behaves.
This is not simple by any means if you never went thru the whole process before.
Of course other racing series have similar approach, but none as complex as F1.
F1 cars have a supercomputer in the steering wheel (over 250,000$ is the cost of just an F1 steering wheel) plus so many sensors in the car, that the team gathers data in the order of terabytes in minutes.
And I’m not even touching the gearbox, engine modes, the engine per se, which nowadays is called “power unit” and contains many parts even just generating the power (> combustion chamber, using high level of synthetic alcohol-based gasoline that you don’t find anywhere else, > Hers/KERS, Energegy recovery from heat and from Kinetic parts, > energy storage, battery, etc.. gearbox.. etc)..
So, everytime they change the regulations, most of this has to be redesigned. Especially from 25 to 26 (the engine will go to 50% energy from electric, aero will have updates too, cars will become narrower, lighter, it’s a whole new project overall).
So yes, they saw that and thought:
‘How the hell you want to enter “in 25 or 26”?’
It seems weird.
But mostly, it’s now been revealed that Andretti never saw the email about being summoned in December. Apparently, as Andretti stated, it went into the spam folder.
That’s a bummer to say the least.
I think that if they would have been there, hopefully they could have explained details and ensure their readyness.
My point overall is that if even teams that have been successful in F1 for years can e deceived by a wrong correlation from CFC and simulator, it’s even harder for a team that never even tested their sim over real track data in that category.
So yes, I fully expect Andretti to *not* be competitive when they enter the sport. With time, they can do amazing.
And if they are poaching engineers (I didn’t know honestly), then the chances are higher.
But one thing is some tech engineers, another thing is the guy that leads the projects and knows from experience what data to trust and what not to, which direction has less benefits now but more potential for development, etc etc.
If it makes sense.
I’m just saying that they need time, therefore entering in 25 would have been weird.
In 26 would be great.
FOM will likely approve them for ‘28, unless some fan uproar makes it clear that there is media interest in them participating.
that 15,000 word letter of explanation released yesterday was so disrespectful to Andretti. They just seem to think theyre looking to capitalize on F1's recent increase in popularity ad value. But Andretti is building the team for the long term. They have a massive state of the art headquarters being built in Indianapolis, theyre prepared to pay the delusion fees, etc. They started as an Indycar team in 2002 and have slowly and surely expanded into Formula E, IndyNXT, Those E trucks that race in the desert, rallycross. None of their teams have failed none are quick flip to make a buck operation. They'll bring a lot to F1. More cars on the grid, expertise in marketing to American Motorsport fans, connections that go back 30-40 years with some of the best corporate sponsors in the world, the list goes on and on!!!
Oh, thank you for this comment, I’m European and didn’t know the first thing about Andretti. That’s amazing.
Unfortunately I think it’s still a business thing, hopefully they can join in ‘28? But why not ‘26..
I wish Haas would work with them.
@@tommasoannoni4836Haas _hates_ Andretti. Andretti has branded itself as the ACTUAL American team, and make it clear that both they and American fans don't consider Haas to be anything _close_ to an American team. After the whole Mazepin/Uralkali shitshow, they have a very good point, and Gene Haas knows it.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 Yeah I know that.
I’m just saying: it would be amazing if Andretti could buy a team, therefore be into the sport right away.
He could still use his own facilities, repurposing or selling older ones, idk.
And I don’t see any other team that would even consider to sell. Not that Haas wants to sell anyway.
@@griffinfaulkner3514Haas brings nothing to F1.
@@Mr10usdad I know, I can't stand the greedy bastard, but that's the reality of the situation.
And it is just a coincicdent with the whole Lewis Moving to Ferrari Announcement yesterday. Trying to quickly get the spotlight of Andretti who deserve to be in F1
Well timed leak. We've learned today that the announcement of Lewis to Ferrari was not planned till after the season started. But once FOM got wind of it, they leaked to the media as a well played distraction
so fucking disappointing to me. what a great addition they would have made to the grid, way more value than Haas atm and visa cash app whateverthefuck redbull
It's very telling that F1 don't have the courage to mention this extensively-researched conclusion on any of their social media platforms. It's almost as if they're scared of the reaction.
Or that they consider it below them. They refused to cover anything related to Andretti or a new team. It’s almost as if they have an actual hate boner for them
@@mrsoisauce9017 Hopefully we'll get to see what a judge thinks about it. Most, if not all of FOM's points would fall apart quicker than a cheap suit if this goes to a court.
@@Jay_The_Cat I get the feeling that if that happens, FOM is gonna find some way to neuter the team just out of spite
@@mrsoisauce9017 You'd hope not, I mean with the number of eyeballs watching the situation it would be really stupid on their part.
Andretti are still aiming for a 2026 start according to their latest statement so... we'll see how it unfolds. :)
@@Jay_The_Cat The other thing I could see them doing is just completely ignoring Andretti in all of their F1 media channels, or just calling them Cadillac F1 and throwing the Andretti part to the wayside
stefano is so greedy ffs
And so are the team principals
It's very short sighted to say it's over for Andretti
Now begins Andrettis Villain Arc. Watch him create his own motorsport that will one day rival F1 itself.
Thatd be sweet. Preferably with real motors and not this electric crap.
@@nickporter574 agreed, they might have created a monster now. No way he should have been rejected.
Andretti is such an Iconic name, I would bet people who didn't know of F1 before Drive to Survive, still knew who Andretti is. They are a proving racing team in multiple race divisions.
I think that’s only in America, I didn’t even know the Andretti name until I started hearing it wanted to join F1 (I’m European).
DTS viewers are not the income group F1 covets.
@@tommasoannoni4836 mario andretti?
@@vijay-jw8gq Yeah, I didn't know. I'm not that much into motorsport, or sports in general for that matter. Especially, I know absolutely nothing about American sports.
I only follow F1, since I was a kid (which is way after he raced in F1).
@@ronbelanger4113 you should probably quit watching then......
The outro was so loud, I literally jumped on the street in my headphones
For real so uncalled for 😭
I think F1s statement is accurate from their point of view, while being thinly veiled. What Andretti brings is a threat to the established teams. Haas aren't a threat. It's also odd to me that Gene Haas is adamant of never selling (especially to Andretti) but also not wanting to further invest in his team. You race to win, and Gene isn't new to this.
Andretti maybe should have had crypto and cash app type sponsors and they'd be in.
If F1 drops off in America unless Andretti is allowed entry, then there's the added value F1 is looking for
This is Bullshit. Honestly I am really struggling to see myself watch a single lap of F1 next year. FOM were NEVER going to accept Michael in a million years, hence why they keep moving the goalposts on him.
Absolutely fuming
The goalposts were never moved. It’s just that they’re trying to give Andretti false hope or some shit by not stating immediately what the goal post truly is. A quote from Toto Wolff tho gives is a pretty good idea of where the goalpost actually is. He said that if Audi wanted to come to the sport as an 11th team instead of buying Sauber, they would have been welcome in with open arms. What they’re looking for is a works team with the financial backing of a massive corporation or just outright ownership of that team. Hell, I guarantee you that if Cadillac entered the sport without Andretti, they would be accepted almost immediately no matter what. F1 is no longer a space for small teams anymore. They’re only a space for giant corporations. By this logic, Andretti will probably be accepted onto the grid in 2028 as a direct result of then having more input from a manufacturer (it’s running a Cadillac engine instead of just getting Cadillac technical support, which might as well be a badging deal to most people in F1). But I guess we will find out in 3 years time
@@mrsoisauce9017Dude, Andretti employs a good number of GM personnel explicitly because they're effectively their works team. GM doesn't half-ass anything when it comes to motorsport, especially after the Northstar LMP nightmare, so they want to take time to get their engine dialed in before actually putting it in competition. Getting Andretti in F1 for a few years would give them massive amounts of data on what the real-world demands on the drivetrain actually are, and all but guarantees they don't botch things.
"Coughs in Brawn GP success"
I think you may know that Brawn go is named as such after Ross Brawn, the guy who went to Ferrari and spent many years in the (at the time) richest teams with one of the best drivers before he could start winning. Years.
After decades in the sport, he bought a previous team, found an exploit in the rules with all the experience (double diffuser), and yes, “on paper” competed one year and won.
But that wasn’t a brand new team, not by a long shot.
That’s a bit more like Audi buying Sauber.
And in fact, that’s fine for FIA.
Just saying.
I wish Andretti will join soon.
But from a business side of things, why would they make a deal that doesn’t make money.. with someone that didn’t even show up to their job interview (in December, after FIA reviewed their October submission).
(Btw, in case of claims of anti-Americanism, Liberty Media is based in Colorado).
He bought an existing team.
Well now you're just being intellectually dishonest. Brawn bought the Honda team and was given a race car that was essentially complete when it changed hands only minor changes were required to make the change from the Honda V8 to the Mercedes. He had been apart of that design yes, but all that changed logistically was the name on the door. Hell Honda essentially gave them the budget to run the year.
@@JarydChambers I would more say comically dishonest than intellectually lol. I know the whole brawn / honda story through and through, I just wanted to make a cheeky pun lol. Didn't expect so many replies but at least everyone's chill :)
Agree 100%. Its not about being competitive its about greed and not sharing revenue.
What's also over is my watching of Formula 1. I became a fan in 1978 watching an American driver pilot a gorgeous black racing car around the best race tracks in Europe. That driver was Mario Andretti and the car was the iconic Lotus 79. This display of avarice has cost F1 at least one viewer who has been watching for 45 years now. It will be tough to not watch F1, but I can only protest in my own way and that's by not watching until Michael is allowed to race a team in Formula 1.
You know why they won’t let them in? F1 is owned by a media company. So it’s about entertainment now, NOT competition. They don’t want a team coming in that wants to compete and win. They want someone to toe the line and stick to the script.
So basically they want WWE, but for racing?
@@mrsoisauce9017 think about it like this. Do you think a media company’s top priority is a fair competition or an entertaining one?
@@BradyDearinger entertaining competition. And I get that. As a matter of fact, that’s probably exactly the reason why Michael only de-lapped the cases between Hamilton and Verstappen: the strings were being pulled by Liberty Media (I wouldn’t be surprised if Ferrari finally has a good car for 2025 and then they do the same thing for Hamilton and Ferrari, but with Verstappen getting cucked instead of Hamilton). And I understand that entirely. I’m just saying
I think you’re right. Feels more and more about the “entertainment” and less about the sport. Disappointing.
I'm actually pretty pissed off about the whole Andretti thing. They did everything they were supposed to do, and still wasn't enough. No different than a highschool clique, not wanting to accept the new kid into the group, the same vibes.
To be fair, they were summoned in december (after fom/fia reviewed their October submission) to present their case face-to-face, and Andretti simply didn’t even show up.
Sometimes you do you best and study for your exam, and still fail. Is it the teacher’s fault?
BTW,
This is just a business thing. Why would they make a deal that makes no money, and creates so many more logistical problems and expenses.
The American way, bring money in, or you’re out.
Btw I would love it if Andretti joined. Don’t know the first thing about them/him, but for me, throw toro rosso / alpha tauri / red racing cash app whatever out, or make them independent, and bring Andretti in, 100%.
But logistically may not be that easy.
I wish Haas would work with Andretti.
@@tommasoannoni4836 lmao..... 🤣
Mr. Andretti was supposed to waltz onto a active GP weekend and demand the Principal's sign a piece of paper and let him join?
@@tommasoannoni4836I spent my career as a financial analyst and I am quite certain the increase in revenue from American fans that the Andretti name brings would make the 10% dilution claim look like pocket change. This was not a business decision as business decisions are based on profit opportunity and hard facts which Andretti brings to the table. No, this decision was personal or made for hidden agendas. It is the stupidest "business" decision F1 could have made.
I didn't know anything about andretti or the name, until they tried to enter f1. But i get it, Andretti is a good fit, they aren't just some team to fill the gaps
Horrible decision by F1 not allowing Andretti in… hope this doesn’t kill F1 in America… Andretti is not Haas!
I wonder if this will start a protest of sorts, in the coming US races, fans start wearing Andretti merch in droves. 😂
As George Carlin once said and I think is fitting in this situation, "It's a big club, and you ain't in it!"
Been watching this sport as an American since 2005 and I'm about done with it.
Indycar is on the Up and Up. Racing is better too. Got great young talent like Pato and Colton and Alex fighting it out every weekend and some older guard like Scott Dixon and Will Power still winning races and putting in excellent performances. It's been a lot of fun to watch. I get more thrill from the Indy races than I do the F1 races for sure.
i kind of lost interest in formula 1 over the years, but not letting an 11th team puts the nail in the casket. there used to be an 11th team up until 2016, so why is it all of a sudden a big problem.
I heard that all the teams have to agree before a new team can be added. If one team disagreed, it's probably Mercedes. So you can thank them as usual. Like what happened with Carlos in Las Vegas
Parts of the Formulaa1 statement seemed crafted specifically to take shots at Andretti, as if it wasn't enough to simply reject them outright, they had to insult Andretti in the process. It feels oddly personal. It also reeks of desperation on F1's part to keep an 11th team off the grid.
So there will probably be many legal shenanigans coming out of this. It wasn't just Andretti there rejecting but also Andretti's backers General Motors, one of the largest (and richest) car manufacturers in the world. Not only that but its widely believed that F1's actions, violate EU competition laws (which is kinda a problem since most F1 teams are from Europe and many of the races happen in Europe).
General Motors are going to sue their way into the sport and possibly bring the whole system down with them. It honestly would of been better in the long run for the F1 teams to of swallowed their pride and just let Andretti in.
That’s actually a great point. Gene haas bought the team to advertise this cnc machines. So f1 gives haas more credibility than haas gives f1. What value does rebranded bulls bring to f1?
With regards to F1 considering Andretti if it came with a prepared GM / Cadillac engine but not until then due to the ‘being competitive’ argument is so silly because if they were brought in for 2026 they’d have two years of valuable experience under their belts and then would bring in the works engine. Surely they’d be far more likely to be competitive having had those two years while as a customer (like over half the grid is)
And Renault F1 said theyd be more than willing to take Andretti even if it’s only for a few years considering they haven’t had another customer team since 2020.
The outro scared the hell out of me 😂
You are right in what you say. The FOM and the teams are just being ridiculous. I want to see Andretti in F1, I'll cheer them on, I want to see them do well and have a good fan base. I would rather see Andretti in F1 that another race in the US. Have 2 races in the US and let them in. Will I be a fan? No just because they are American. It's the same reason I am not a Haas fan. I still hope they do well, I still cheer them on. I think 12 teams is a good idea. I think the FIA needs to change the rules so that teams can't own a second team like Red Bull does. I would love to see these teams like sirloin F1 team and VCAARP be forced to change their names. I think the FIA should engineer it so VCARP gets sold to Andretti.
Their reasons are petty, childish, and poorly thought out
They're a multi generational racing family that's reached the highest level in everything they've done. If the Andrettis can't get in, no one can.
I'm very glad that you made the edit to make sure we understood the indycars weren't actually sharing their opinion.
I understanding turning down the 2025 entry but turning down the '26 seems silly.
Just being another team on the grid will add value, even if it is to battle Haas for not being last. And lets be honest, this is a serious and well respected autosport organisation with lots of American and non american fans outside of the F1 bubble. Not to mention the value for the US sponsormarket Andretti can pull in.
It ain't over. Until they say it's over
F1 seems to enjoy their status quo a bit too much...
BTW. Please put a warning if you wanna have a Loud outro song, it scared so much that if this was a Tom & Jerry cartoon. I could end hitting my head into the roof of my room lol
Formula One can go to hell for all I care for pulling this bullshit
When the season starts, you will watch and forget about this in a month or so, So pipe down.
@@shawcobra I don't think you decide my actions bro
This is really disappointing. As an American - i was already rooting for Andretti. I've heard it mentioned that Michael Andretti is difficult to deal with - or that he doesn't play politics well. I'd be curious to learn more about this - but in the end it's totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. But the Andretti team operates in multiple racing formats already - so it doesn't seem to have hindered him in the past.
"The cars that drive fast, faster than everyone else" is such a great way to put it.
#LetAndrettiRace
Did you read that apparently a staffer from F1 emailed Andretti to invite them for a meeting and it went to a spam folder so F1 thought they weren't interested to meet in person and present their submission.... So bad
Looking back at this title right after what andretti just did is crazy. I hope they get into f1 even more now
good video but the outro was too loud please fix it next time.
I just have a feeling that the teams want to make a new concorde agreement and squeeze all the money they can out of Andretti. And I believe that Andretti will join in 2028 because by that time the new media deal will be in place.
Conspiracy theory, this is all set up. Think about it, Andretti announce they want to come in, fans get interested, they face road block after road block and as we learn, we start to question F1 and the other teams, we become more supportive of Andretti. Step 3 is dropping this bombshell, enrage the fans and blow up the media sites and they get more support than ever. Step 4 is actually accepting them come 2026/2027 and the hypetrain goes full throttle. Motorsport fans will give them full support and they can be sustainable for a long time, all because of this manifested bickering. I may be talking out of my arse, but I would not be surprised if this was true. As a fan, I just find it strange how F1 are not willing to back the entry of another American team in their quest to make inroads into the US.
Need an earplugs warning at the end what was that 💀
Sadly I think it’s a little anti American,
Buy out one of the ten teams and rename ANDRETTI …..
That has always been an option, requires more cash than Andretti has.
I think its more that if they are let in, Haas will go bankrupt, as the only thing they had was being american, with another team that has potential being american, Hass would be done.
Bro you need to fix the volume of the AAYYYY at the end ASAP I nearly shit myself and might have hearing damage
It is a shame and I am saddened but after reading the F1 statement I think not having a GM/Cadillac power unit ready to go for 2025 was a big negative against being accepted. Bringing a new manufacturer with a brand new power unit into the sport day one would have probably got Andretti onto the grid.
I was thinking about subscribing to F1 TV, but now that's not happening. I might not even watch the races this year. That's how much this has pissed me off. (That might be absurd, but I'm a fan of the Green Bay Packers in the NFL, and we dealt with a similar "will he, won't he" thing in the Packers' fanbase for years regarding Aaron Rodgers' future for this season and forward. [Will he continue with the Packers? Will he go to another team? Will he retire with the Packers?] I thought, with him being traded to the New York Jets last offseason [after teasing teasers upon teasers, then going into a darkness retreat before making his decision], I'd get an [NFL] offseason free from that kind of drama. How naive I was.)
I hope that Michael and General Motors use this snub as motivation to make Indycar great again.
Man that outro almost got me a heartattack
The GM F1 engine would neverr materialuse and he'd sneek into being a customer team.
Bottom line is this. The 10 teams don't want to share revenue with an 11th teams. Saying no to andretti sticks it to Ben Suleiem and the fia makes it even better. The rest of the reasons are just excuses.
"They did everything they needed to do" except have that sweet sweet Saudi oil money 💰💰💰
Oh lord. Please don't kill me with that outro music volume next time.
the best/worst argument is that there is no enough space
The Audio was SHIT on this video, @Perspective
Wolf is shit scared letting Andretti racing in as they will be a phenomenal threat.
Simple. If they allow them to join the pie will be cut for 11 teams. The other teams don't want that because they gonna lose money.
The dilution of the prize money is what makes *the teams *not want addetti in. But they can’t choose.
The FiA states that for this evaluation the teams weren’t even consulted. It’s about broadcast and tv etc, they consulted all the money-making entities connected, and there was no expected financial gain.
That is paired with the fact that Andretti wanted to join for both 25 and 26, implying that they would make 2 completely different cars with 2 different regulations at their very entrance in the sport. That basically means they have no idea how complex it is. It is quite normal that they will join and then need time to understand the functioning and performance of everything before making adjustments and start being competitive. F1 is very complex.
So those 2 things together meant no gain for FiA: it would barely makes sense with the hope that Andretti gets podiums and wins, but not if they want to join just one year before a rule change.
Add the fact that Andretti was summoned in December, after FIA review their October submission, to be able to present their case face-to-face, and then Andretti didn’t even go..
I wish Andretti joined.
But after all, it’s a business, so in pure american freedom capitalistic view, they don’t owe Andretti anything. Would you start a business deal with someone that can’t ensure he will add anything to your business, and that makes it clear in the first proposal of entry that doesn’t even understand the business, and you still set up an hiring interview, and they don’t even show up?
I still wish Andretti joined in ‘26.
Hopefully they can in ‘28.
The comment about Andretti having to make their own engine was such a huge slap in the face to the privateers that have kept the sport going over the years
I think it's great that F1 has decided to stick with the status quo. It would be far to interesting if a new team came in and shook things up a bit. Instead, we will get the same top 3 that we have for more than 10 years now. I find it harder and harder to watch races to the end and less and less interested in the outcomes. On the plus side we still have Haas so whoohoo!!
It’s all about the money! Postponing the entry will increase the fee!!!!!
F1 under liberty media it's clearly sight that it's not support as to be but more to entertainment media.
Ironically WEC under FIA umbrella still show how sport is and accepting nnewn team
F1 is under the FIA umbrella, FOM/Liberty are just the one's who manage the sport.
But the FIA can force their hand and allow a new team in, as part of the Concorde Agreement for 2025. Which we likely may see, as the FIA are trying to garner more interest in F1.
Well then let's wait for 2028 and what kind of excuse they will have at that point
Exactly new rules made up on the spot to deny access to the F1 big-boys club. Shifting of the goal posts so that the Andretti bid can never be successful. Delay in access, in the hope they'll go away or can't afford the new 2028 jumped up prices.
Andretti not adding value to F1, is untrue and just sound bait to excuse themselves. They have a new engine supplier in Cadlillac/GM they have the potential for a huge American fanbase plus their existing one from F3/indy etc.. people are ready and wanting this team.
You will seriously cause damage to people's equipment with that stupid jumpscare at the end, it's way WAY too loud 😡
i love F1 but I’m very sad that they said no for my Indy Car, Formula E team Andretti
Glad I'm not the only one who thought it was hypocritical of them to be so focused on US expansion and as soon as a good option for a US team came up they swiftly shot it down.
I hate the idea that we’re never going to have new teams again and every “new” team forever and ever from now is just going to be a corporation cutting a fat marketing check to a team to change the color of their uniforms and the sign in front of the factory for 3 years.
Ah yes, legendary names in Motorsport manufacturing and culture “Visa” and “Twitch”
I live in the states. I know plenty of people. I know 4 that watch F1. Everyone in America knows Andretti. This was a big miss. It’s much easier to just watch Indy and nascar here.
If you didn’t know who Andretti were before, you do now LOL
Toto Wolff has some f*$king nerve saying that all these
young drivers deserve a ride, guess what helps with that.
Two more seats.
Such BS, I was so hoping to see Andretti/Cadillac get on the grid
This is actually really disgusting honestly. F1 should be held under scrutiny when the deal is currently just basically the equivalent to a cartel forming, preventing others from get their fair share and attempt to take the world championship.
I feel angry towards Liberty media I do understand FIA did approve the Andretti f1 it’s complete disrespect they talk about American f1 team Andretti would be that team I honestly think there is more to this story then what’s been let on I have never seen people shut down a f1 team over the excuses being given i hope Andretti do sue liberty media
For God's sake, please sort you audio balancing. The end song made me nearly die. Seriously.
Personally this is my nail in the coffin for me in watching F1 but it doesn’t support the people/fans that make F1 because i know they are good and entertaining people
I think the treatment of Andretti here has been nothing short of disgusting. What it has done is make me want to start watching indy car, actually. Looking into how to watch in the UK!
The name Andretti, even in America, EVERYONE knows what/who it is. The name is synonymous with open wheel racing. It certainly seems that they would bring a TON of value to F1. This ruling just seems personal, and current players in F1 just flat out do not want an American team.
Even in America? You mean Only in America. Those outside America who know the name Mario Andretti know him as Italian and has never been as big a name like Fangio, Farina, Brabham etc
I have no idea who Andretti is?
brawnGP: 2:24
List of my dream F1® team:
1. 🇦🇹 Red Bull*
2. 🇩🇪 Mercedes-AMG*
3. 🇮🇹 Ferrari*
4. 🇬🇧 McLaren**
5. 🇫🇷 Alpine-Renault*
6. 🇩🇪 Audi*
7. 🇬🇧 Aston Martin*
8. 🇮🇹 Toro Rosso***
9. 🇬🇧 Wiliiams**
10. 🇺🇸 Haas**
11. 🇺🇸 Andretti-Cadillac*
12. 🇩🇪 Porsche*
13. 🇯🇵 Honda*
14. 🇮🇹 Alfa Romeo*
* = Factory team or at least independent team with exclusive contract with factory.
** = Customer team.
*** = Satelite team.
02/02/2024 23:44 At My Local Time.
I'll just echo what others have been saying. Imagine wanting to expand to America, and yet F1 doesn't want an American team, and then turn around to say there's not much "commercial value". Imagine putting in so many resources into the project, only to be turned down for "commercial value" and "competitiveness" reasons. When reasons like this are being put up in vague ways that contradict what Andretti has been doing all this time and in the spotlight, it's clear that things are just beyond "Cash is king" in F1. Yes, cash is king, but contradiction is king-er.
And of course, imagine talking about commercial value and competitiveness that F1 argues Andretti can't bring, how about putting that towards the teams now and what they've been up to? What commercial value or competitiveness are they bringing even years after they've entered, Haas being the example? F1 should get their house in order first before raising some excuses that essentially involve F1 shooting themselves in the foot when their own teams are even struggling with those aspects.
I do hope Andretti somehow finds a way to get into F1 whether buying into a team or forcing their way in. I don't follow Indycar or other series that Andretti is in, but I do hope we get to see a car they built with their name one day in the grid.
Haas is about to be sold eventually so they still have a good chance, what you expect Haas to remain until 2028?
I've stopped watching NASCAR a couple years ago because of their bs antics. Formula 1 is next for me. I went the first 19 years of my life not watching F1, and I can do it again.
The FIA could be facing a defamation lawsuit.
*FOM
The FIA are actually investigating the decision making process of the FOM on why FOM blocked Andretti.
From which countries court?
Why did HAAS get all these freaking chances??????
There's no such thing as antitrust when the regulators ARE the shareholders. Regardless of what you think about Andretti himself, this was a dark move for Formula One, and shows what the most important part of this "sport" actually is. Mercedes and Redbull had no issue whatsoever spending 450, and 350 Million respectively per year before the cap. But lose like 9% of the prize pool? No thanks