Tech Talk Tuesday: What is the BEST TURBO Money can Buy!?!?
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Join Steve as we talk about the best bang for your buck when picking out a turbo, what is going to last the longest, and what setups will help you get the most out of your turbo!
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He said they aren’t getting paid by any of the big turbo brands to say any turbo is better than another. 😂😂😂
ive had 2 6266 BBs gen2 fail on my Evo 8 @32psi had a restrictor and filter. Precision rebuilt both of them but after that Id never run another one, FP Red on my new Evo 8 now @ 38psi for 2yrs with no issues
"I know precision turbos , Changing the game with these 6 blade gen 2's " slaps the top of the turbo with 7 blades.
LMFAO
I would have thought that an expert in turbos would know that closed throttle flutter is not the same as open throttle compressor surge.
While similar to compressor surge, turbo flutter doesn't occur while the turbine is loaded (exhaust spinning the hot side of the turbo). It should not be referenced as “surge”. There is negligible affect or any documented or observed damage to bearings or wheels as a result of no-BOV off throttle flutter, or the “sututututu” noise you hear when throttle is closed. It’s a myth. Real compressor surge under open throttle load however, is known, observed and well documented to be potentially catastrophic.
You should know the difference.
both are surge, where air has nowhere to go. It may not be on the live surge line, but the same harm can be done
Good info fellas! Idk I have mixed reviews just from my experiences. I've heard alot of bad things about precision, yet still see it on high level cars. Yet I've had nothing but good luck with Garrett. No BOV for 20 events and still going strong... the way I see it is coming from aviation Garrett engineers turbjet/turbo prop/turbo shaft engines. So... they've got to be doing something right. Lol
Precision is so good, that’s why all the OE manufacturers use them… oh wait yeah 🤣🤦🏻♂️😴
Manufacturers just want to sell the car once dummy they choose the highest bidder to run their parts not the “best” smh
@@heyzeus6149 ding dong they take the lowest bidder not the highest. Lmao 😂. And the manufacturer has to warranty the parts so they don’t just care about a one time sale. Sit this one out bud
Oem is after profit margins, when parts are significantly cheaper but preform good enough that’s the goal.. otherwise why would there be an aftermarket scene in the first place 🤷♂️
@@WPXTacoMan477 wrong. Where the hell did you make that shit up from
@@mikeeagle2653 from owning a fucking car? Lmao
Some good info but BW EFR series trumps everything with spool alone and loves high boost. You emphasise they aren't as good twice because they are huge competitors.Precision don't have compressor maps to even compare. Smaller compressor EFRs outperform response and flow against Precision rated by HP or get close to the next size up with more efficiency....I hope it was worth it. 🤦♂️
Regarding: a heavier turbo shaft makes a measurable, noticeable, and significant difference based on its mass.
The difference is the bearing diameter, especially in an oil film bearing. THAT will cause more drag at all times due to bigger shaft size, but something adding 1-2mm of diameter on a 70mm turbo wheel is insignificant for polar moment.
I just don't think Borg-Warner prioritizes performance versus permanent longevity, and that means a more robust construction, which leads to heavier overall internals, but I don't think the shaft itself is the MASS or INERTIA issue.
A Borg-Warner turbo is for life.
BW EFR are the lightest turbines and shafts of any turbo. Very odd he chooses to ignore something so well known and obvious.
Gotta try Garrett's new G series, they are crazy. My G30-900 in a 1.06ar spools faster then a gtx3576 in a 0.86ar with less back pressure on my n54
Which kit and turbo do you prefer for N54?
When do you see full boost @ellis Preston
@@wasabiimfchiken8991 4000rpm for 30psi in 3rd gear which is extremely fast for having 806awhp at 7500rpm
@@mahidmalik7 unfortunately I can't really comment on this as I have a completely custom kit but speed tech seems to be fantastic
@@N54God666 thanks for the reply was this happen to be on e85 or just 93?
I just bought a Xona Rotor 9569s.
I’ve never had a problem with any precision turbo or forced inductions turbo I’ve had some problems with some others not gonna mention any names but there’s a reason I bought and went back with precisions
I had a brand new Precision 6870 go bad with less than 3k miles into it. I'm sure the rolling anti-lag had something to do with it...
Problem is, it is all a "pi..ing" contest in regards to compressor inducer diameter. Just go way too big on volute volume in compressor housing, and you win top end power - which for some is performance. BUT that does not make for a great turbo if spool-up is sacrificed for harvesting most out of a wheel diameter. Same principle for harvesting most out of 1.5L engine when in fact you are allowed to go 3.0L. Same for compressor wheels, and when configured correct in regards to volute volume, exducer, depth etc. bigger comp. inducer wheels actually can perform quicker spool-up as the "package" is designed correctly not only for top-end power. Bigger comp. inducer moves more air per rotation, and hence requires less shaft rpm for same flow inside the compressor. Forget the marketing race/piss..g contest of inducer diameters, and focus on the application instead
Where are the side by side comparisons? Why are there no maps to help someone match the turbo?
Nobody talks about Borg Warner. I have heard they wipe the floor with any other manufacturer.
They do not cater aggressively to "tuners." They cater to OEM's. I notice even their site is sparse on information. Their boasts on their sites are written in "appeal to manufacturers" language, not the "OMG it's so KEWL" language aimed at gearheads.
Borg & Warner and Garrett ftw. Oem reliability.
Very bias !!! Why not have a g35 1050 up there with the precision turbo ?
There is no such thing as "cavitation" when dealing entirely with a gas environment. "Cavitation" is when a liquid has an artificial gas cavity along its tip or trailing edge due to pressure going below vaporization temperature.
Aeration is when a body doing through a liquid entrains air from the surface or other source.
However, it is interesting, the concept of too many blades leading to less high-speed air grabbing by the compressor wheel. Too many blades passing by the same point in space, you are saying, find they can't grab as much air as fewer blades, due to the air not having an opportunity to "fall" into the space between blades, because there is just too many of them.
That is an astute and fascinating observation, and one I have never heard anyone on any channel or manufacturer's site even discuss. Kudos for REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE trumping theory and sales hype. Let's go to the extreme: supposing the compressor had 100 blades. NOW when will the air have an opportunity to fall into the space between blades? Advantage: turbo with fewer blades.
7 BLADES
Nice vid . I would say garrett is the better of them all , bigger company better comp maps and more efficient per size of turbo compared to gen2 Percision and gen 2 Garrett.
lifesgifts748 How does a bigger company make them better? Because they give away more free stuff, sponsor Adam LZ, and more active on social media? Look at every big drag racing series. Literally everyone is running Precision. Not saying they are better. Only true test is comparing them on the same car and getting data.
@@andrewp593 I think the guy broke it down perfectly in the video. Precision is the best performing turbo, Borg Warner is the best with regards to reliability and Garrett is in the middle. Garrett may not perform better than Precision but it's more reliable. If Garrett performance is really close to Precision I would go with Garrett for my daily or weekend car due to reliability. If I am racing for money I picking Precision.
I’ve had a few different ones and I’ll say 2 of the best I’ve had was forced inductions and I’ve been running precisions for a few years now and like I said there’s a reason.
@@andrewp593 they precision because precision most likely provides it for them. They blow so often they have to
If your still there, what is the correct turbo charger for a nissan frontier 2018 4.0L 6cyl. complete setup.
I want to buy a turbo charger and tune it correctly for fuel efficiency.
NOT HIGH SPEED, fuel efficiency thanks.
Which turbo would you recommend for a 2011 Ford Taurus SHO
PTE Gen 2 BB 6266 turbo needs a restrictor then? I am running it a K series engine.
Kupiłem 11 lat temu ten pecision turbo model 6262 na zwykłych łożyskach. Lało się od początku na spływie olejowym. Zmieniałem chyba 5 razy spływ oleju, flansze spływu itp, dalej lało spod spływu oleju. Zrobiłem nawet flanszę z o-ringiem. Nic nie pomogło. Zgłosiłem to do precision ale nic nie uzyskałem. Nie byłem z Murica😆... Wreszcie poszedłem po rozum do głowy i kupiłem oryginalnego garretta gt35dbb i go zamontowałem. 11 lat pełnego spokoju. Zero kłopotów. Precision najlepszy? Hahahaha, chyba w Murica🤣🤣🤣...
Since when has it been good thing to have the BOV open on idle???
Nice.
What turbocharger is suited for making 300hp for a 1.6 tdi engine ?
The flutter shouldn’t damage the turbo AT ALL if they are ball bearings, to me it just sounds like precision’s isn’t built good
It doesn’t matter what bearings a turbo uses, compressor surge is bad for the blades of the intake, the blades are stalling and it can create a lot of turbulence that can damage the blades
@@WPXTacoMan477 no, it will wear out the turbos faster for sure, but it shouldn’t cause any sudden damage, and yea, it wears out journal bearings way more than ball bearings
Which is the best value for money turbo brand? (other than Chinese Ebay Turbo's)
Great video thank for the Education
Solid information! Definitely enjoyed it
spool difference between gtx 3582r gen2 ar 82 and pte 6466 gen2 a.r 82
Pretty bias.
I have experience tuning BW Garrett and precision turbos. They are all fine.
Saying borgs are lazy is blatantly wrong. We've been able to get comparable spool for same pwoer levels on journal SXE borgs, vs even BB GTX turbos. Precision are pretty good but I don't like not having a compressor map to plot against a build. Not to mention empirically proven, EFRs are the absolute fastest transient (what matters in drift or circuit racing) responding turbos.
If people aren't aware check out borgs matchbot to help plot your build to see what turbo fits.
Of course turbos function in their efficiency range. You don't actually know precisions efficiency range, because they don't have compressor maps.
Precision is fine. They had some rough history to repair when garrett stropped provided them CHRAs. You said Borgs are lazy spooling, but the EFR is empirically proven the fastest transient responding turbo on the market (of course vs whatever power application).
All 3 brands are fine, your representation of the 3 brands is pretty bias. Everyone has their favorites. Garrett and Borg are tried and true and industry innovators. Borg especially. Hence see EFR used as indy series turbos.
How does Precision perform at high altitude?
What about this Pure turbos i see in a lot of videos lately?
great information from the drift community
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I endorse compressor surge so long as you have the pocket for the replacements.
Watching this while im only using the standard IHI turbo🤣
As long as you don't mind chucking an exhaust wheel then Precision is a good choice
Meaning?
What about Xona?
I agree precision easy keep power band rev no drop….for my experience in circuit pt5862 gen2 better than a gtx3576, pt turbo intake and exhaust balance well and price good too…
How about comparison with a current g series Garrett and calling an sxe lazy is because they used the wrong one!
@@needmoreboost6369 if 5558 vs g30-770
G30-770 spool faster but top end 5558 little bit better, maybe both can same hp number but rev is different
@@lucianocl1947 thx I was leaning towards a g35 but am trying to avoid bad pressure ratio I’m using gen1 35/82r and its got ok threshold and lag but as always I want more power but I don’t want to sacrifice response over all not terribly important as it’s an auto street car
@@needmoreboost6369 street use g30 770 is good enough
@@lucianocl1947 I’ll probably keep this unit until it’s dead though,btw checked your channel, fellow angler here! Life long fisherman and it was my profession as a deckhand on a sports fishing charter boat before becoming a mechanic, I’m interested to watch and see a few different species and techniques!
What turbocharger would you recommend to install in an Isuzu 4BD1 Isuzu engine, installed on a Land Rover Perentie?
Franklin Arguedas bad channel can’t even respond to viewers
I'm thinking about doing a twin scoll twin trubo set up in the future for my Dakota that I'm working on turning into a baja truck. I havent found much info about a twin scoll twin turbo set up. Is there some big issue I'm missing?
Yes you can go with the Xona Rotor, their UHF wheel design allows for a T3 to flow like a twin scroll T4.
No talk of FP/Xona huh.
Oil restrictors are only recommended for Ball Bearing turbos. Journal bearings do not require them.
The cut ins are so funny 😂
What you think about Precision vs Mamba?
What’s a good turbo for a 2012 Mazdaspeed 3
Theres never been any definite proof that off throttle surge causes any damage to the turbo, therefore BOV's are pointless imo.
On throttle surge is a different story
I can’t even afford eBay turbos, that’s sad
Vs racing turbos are the best bang for your buck right now besides almost all turbos are made in China anyways.
Also your drain line leaving the turbo shouldnt have any kinks rule of thum no 90 angles on your turbo drain
What type of alloy used? Anyone pls
For compressor, aluminum alloy. For turbine? Inconel or other high-heat-resistant steel alloy.
For super-high-boost, titanium compressor.
For Borg-Warner, titanium-aluminum alloy for the EXHAUST TURBINE. This gives an even bigger advantage in polar moment versus the inconel crowd.
Can you imagine a turbine that is almost as fluffy and light as a compressor, but heat resistant?
I love this video lol
What about xona turbo?
calling borgs lazy didnt grow well efrs spool fast af now
EFR
How did this info age against efr black series and xona rotor uhf tuirbos?
I have an 04 pathfinder 5 spd manual.
What’s a long lasting turbo I should get.
I’m mainly in it for long lasting engine and motor than speed
Do your homework
What turbo do you recommend on a Scion tC 2006?
Sell it
He asked why we choose Precision Turbo, here is where i stopped the video. Let me tell you why, because the he gets the most profit from selling that garbage. Garret and Borgwarner is the only turbos you should look for.
But turbo flutters good sounding
Can anyone recommend me a good turbo? I have a all stock 90 talon tsi. Its got the 14b an love the out the hole power but dies once I'm up to 130. I won't my out the hole power but need way more..lol. I plan on a build list an goals are 5 to 550hp by the end. But whats the best turbo to still have some out the hole power but don't die a 5k rpms. I've heard a 20g but hear I'm gonna lose my out the hole power? Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Glad to answer any questions to help for the right turbo. An fyi..its gonna be a street car.
O...also a big input is also trying to build on a budget. I don't have bottomless pockets.
Pulsar 3582
Any thoughts on Comp Turbo?
trash
Good but only worth it if you get the oilless turbos, otherwise there's no point. On the oilless just add grease in the intervals they tell you
The marketing managers only wants the hype for top-end power, just look at Garrett, suddenly the Marketing department changed the conversion factor from lbs/min flow to HP overnight dramatically upwards with the G-series. Even their distributors informs about it. It is a laugh. E.g. now a 56mm turbine exducer should do 900hp according to Garrett! (example G-30-900). Think about it .... little over a 2' pipe with 9 blades inside should flow 900hp in the exhaust. Why would anyone with a race engine attempt or claim that even with NASA rocket fuel!?! AND even the compressor wheels are mapped inside way too big volute volume compressor (large frame) housings, and then pictured and sold with normal sized housings afterwards. It is becoming same circus as the VAG emission fraud. It is all marketing to compete on the diameters which is only a factor for the marketing department, not the race teams! People who do not understand turbos, eat all the fancy headlines and "performance" punch-lines raw
Definitely not being paid... 🤥
PT best turbos lol what a load of shit lol Borg warner EFR lazy is this guy for real. what a twat
Borgwarner.
It just falls off....lol
If you've got dyno charts and went through the efforts to test them, there's no way you wouldn't include those in this video. You put in the effort to include the standard memes, let's see some effort to back up your claims
Why the hell is your intro so loud if you’re gonna talk so low
lol
This review sounds bias asf just my two cents
Lol. Totally bs
Ball bearings are always better.
Great job comparing some old ratted out turbo to a brand new gen 2 turbo. Lmao 😂👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
This has to be the worst Turbocharger video on the internet
What about xona turbo?