SADDLE HUNTING SAFETY: BACK UP YOUR MADROCK or GRIGRI the right way! (SNS 2022-23 #26)
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- Опубліковано 5 кві 2023
- In this episode, Mark talks about some safety concerns with saddle hunting and climbing using the single rope technique or static rope technique (SRT), this applies to the one sticking method as well. In this case I am demonstrating with a madrock safeguard, but this method can be applied to any belay device like the GRI GRI, GRIGRI+, Madrock lifeguard, etc. You can use a variety of friction hitches to back up a belay device like a prusik, swabisch, or in this case the Cornell's Friction Hitch.
Recent events have taught the saddle hunter world that we need to be prepared for when things don't go as planned. This lesson was learned the hard way as a fellow saddle hunter, Dane Purcell, tragically died while practicing climbing in his saddle. He suffered a suspension trauma which led him to pass out and flip upside down, where he eventually passed away from his injuries.
Saddle hunting is the safest option, but any time you leave the ground, you are at risk of suspension trauma and/or falling. Be prepared, understand your gear, and we can avoid this accidents in the future!
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Thank you for sharing, that's awsome. Going to use that this year
Super nice! I will be adding this the my one stick set up👏
I'm glad u made this video. I hope your buddy is OK. I was up 3 feet on a step ladder trying to pull some fence tight with a fence strainer. I was cranking the strainer & the fence was pretty tight. Then the strainer came off the post & the fence lost it's tension in a fraction of a second. It was like slingshot & I was like 8 feet away from the post & luckily I fell parallel to the ground. The back isn't made to be a shock absorber to land on flat ground with your feet. I had friends long ago that couldn't ski anymore cuz they landed not on a slope but a flat. Anyways I had the wind knocked out me & cracked cartilage between 2 ribs that took 8 weeks to heal.
I have alot of experience with 30" eye to eye friction hitches. Quite a bit of climbing ropes & devices. For most I used a Michoacon hitch which is similar to the Cornell, Distel & Knut. I have a Tango Vergo that I use for SRT & I'm using the Knut. The CT Climber hand ascender which helps me climb much easier than the Multiple Rope Systems I use for climbing 🌳& cutting from up in a 🌳. U always need a backup. I've taken down quite a few dead trees from the top down. I don't start the chainsaw until I have a good foothold, 2 climbing lines attached to 2 different trees & a linemans that I put a backup on so I won't twist around to the wrong side of the tree. Measure 5 times to cut once. U never get a 2nd chance to make a good 1st impression. 😮😅
Live the redundancy here. Thank you.
Great help man I appreciate it! Definitely got my sub
Good tip, thanks !!
Very good advice! Thanks for sharing.
Awesome video! Definitely safety first, slow down, think about your next move, climb safe, repel down and go get your deer!! I'm old on the Cornell for a safe back up!! Thanks Swamp N Stomp & Woods Saddles!!
Much better than last vid on backup system
What video?
Great video! I have been looking for a video like this and this one was perfect.
Great video about the importance of properly backing up your device. That 7mm cord on that 9mm rope works perfectly!
Great video. I. Trying to do my due diligence and research as much as I can about one sticking. I'm honestly going to give it a try.
I was tying this knot wrong. Sitting in my saddle this morning I caught your video. You showed that last loop through so well that I caught my mistake. So I retied it and tested from up here.
Well done. Thank you.
That’s great! But I don’t know about testing knots at hunting height 😅 -Mark
@SwampNStomp Indeed. My motto on saddlehunters is 'never try anything for the 1st time while 20 ft in the air." Now I'm a hypocrite. ;-)
But I saw that my backup was wrong and not safe. So it was more of an emegency correction..
Great job Mark.
Good video! I look forward to trying it out.
Great safety tips man.
5:18 if you want to get to it
If you fall on your belay.. you will not let go. You will instinctively grab the belay and the tender rope. Death grip. You will be on the ground befaore you know what happened. The carbineer tender is a good idea though. Id recommend a looong friction hitch set up. the tender rope can run thru the biner and not be touched until you need it. rappel into the friction hitch..stop. Lower the hitch with the tender. then rappel again. Lower the hitch. Repeat.
That’s one way to do it, but I disagree. I did fall once on a belay. When you start to fall your natural instinct is to use your arms to regain your balance so you immediately let go to so that. This is another reason why when belaying I never grip the beat handle too hard, I wanted it to be near impossible for me to gain a death grip on it if I do fall. People have been using these things for a long time, they wouldn’t be designed this way if there wasn’t a reason for it. -Mark
I figured out a way to tend that friction hitch. All you need is one carbineer. While through your madrock the tail run it down to a carbineer hooked to your lineman loop run the tail end through and back up to main line still in hand to tend line above the tender knot. Less fiddly and easier and both hands are in front of you, just a thought climb at you own risk I found it was cleaner for me and most people have extra carbineers.
I don’t understand what you mean
@@Bubakarrr I wish I knew how to apply pics. Pretty easy once seen. I use all the time this way, give me great security. Hanna Barron's father is now recovering from a fall from stand. He says always have some sort of safety line. He didn't have any at the time hooked up. Maybe I'll figure how to do a short video
Man what camo is that ?? Love that
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Anyone know what happened to Woods Hunting Saddles? I was considering one.
Yes they are going to be sold by Ape Canyon. We will post a link on here and our ig/fb as soon as there’s one available. -Danny
there a still a couple available on Eastern Woods Outdoors
Thanks!
One heckva demonstration for me a know nothing on these things.
Hey mark great informational video. Thank you. I tried ordering the friction rope but it says the company is closed for good? ?? Do you know where else to find one??
You buy them directly from BlueWater ropes. I believe the website is bluewaterropes.com. Any friction hitch will
Do. They are virtually all the same. You can find them made by black diamond, Petzl, etc. -Mark
How long is that eye to eye?? I have found one on the wespur sight I want to get rated for 27.4kn 6160lbs.
woodhuntingsaddles.com/shop/ols/products/7mm-vt-friction-hitch-cord-eye-to-eye
That’s the one I have. Use our coupon code to get 10% off wood hunting saddles products. SNS10
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I got one of those eye to eye prussic cords. I tried your method. It won’t grab at all on 8mm ropes. I can push it up and it’ll grab but the rope slides through it.
Same with Canyon Elite, I just doesn’t grip unless I push it up with my hand. I ended up putting an extra loop in the knot to get it to work on the Canyon Elite but it’s a little hard to tie because the cord gets a little short.
Also, those eyes are kind of a pain to slide over the carabiner screw gate. Wish the eyes were a smidgen larger.
Friction hitches require the cord to be smaller than the main line. How big is the cord you are using? If 7mm it may not be enough of a difference to grab your 8mm rope. Personally, I don’t think there’s a good justification for belaying and ascending on 8mm rope. This 9mm protac is about as small as I am willing to go, but I still
Prefer a thicker rope. -Mark
@@SwampNStomp canyon elite is 9mm. I got the same cord you have from Wood. I found that an extra wrap works, but like I said, it’s a bit tight to tie. I tried a Klemheist on the 8mm using a 5.5mm Beal Jammie, and that worked as well with a 5th wrap.
The most difficult part of using the eye to eye from Wood is getting those eyes over the screw gate in the carabiner. The eyes could be sewn just a bit larger it would make things a lot easier.
@@paulcrave3112 you could flip your carabiner so you don’t have to go over the screw gate. Also not all 9mm ropes are equal. A lot of companies measure their diameter at rest, but they should be measured under strain. The protac 9mm is measure under load, so it is likely a bit thicker than the canyon elite. You might be able to get a 6mm cord to grip better but again, that’s getting into some pretty thin diameters and me personally I like ropes to be over rated so that when something goes wrong you have a margin of error. But that said, this friction hitch grabs onto the protac 9mm flawlessly and also Samson predator (11.4mm). Hope that helps. -Mark
@@SwampNStomp Thanks Mark. Thought about flipping the carabiner upside down and did try it a couple times, but I think that's not recommended. "Screw down so you don't screw up" is what I've always been taught.
@@SwampNStomp Ii see the guys at Wood hunting saddles are closing up shop. That's too bad. I hate to see it.
Do you need a thicker line for the Cornell hitch if you use a thicker rope? How long is the line for the Cornell hitch?
You won’t need a thicker line, in fact the bigger the difference in the lines the better the friction hitch will grab. This 7mm to 9mm is a great set up, but you won’t want to go any smaller on the climbing top with a 7mm hitch, thicker is fine. The cord is 29” long, rated to 2500lb single strand, but when tied in a hitch where it has 2 legs it’s rated to 4200lb.
Hey Todd it depends on what thickness you’re using. Mark is correct, the larger the difference in diameter, the tighter the hitch will bite but this also means, the harder the hitch is to release (bind). If you are using a 9 or 10 mm rope then our 7mm hitch cords are perfect. If you’re using an 11mm like the Samson predator or deep woods by all gear, I would suggest going on to Bluewater ropes and ordering an 8mm “VT cord”. An 8 to 9mm works amazingly well on that Samson predator and these cords can also be used for a split tail system if you are Ddrt climbing
Just get a vt prusik , its easier and imo better
You guys are making this stuff too complicated just use a VT or some sort of prusik get rid of all that mechanical crap. I hunt and cut monster trees down with the simplest set ups. You guys are making way too difficult on yourselves.
A lot of people don’t feel comfortable depending on knots so they want mechanicals. -Mark
Hi Z…. It’s not recommended to SRT climb or to rappel on only a friction hitch without introducing some form of secondary friction to your system. Most arborist use mechanicals or if they climb or rappel on a hitch, they also utilize a rope wrench as the secondary friction source. They cost as much or more than a gri gri or safeguard and require every bit as much practice and training. The VT is a great hitch. A prusik binds up and is incredibly hard to break under load so it’s not the best hitch for our use. Furthermore if you are familiar with arbor culture, or even competitive mountain climbing, you should recognize the name Matt Cornell. The hitch Mark is using is the Cornell hitch. It’s simple to tie, it can be broke under load and has a more reliable grab than some other hitches such as the Michoacán or even the Knut. Nothing in this video is complicated and everything Mark recommended meet’s manufacturer’s suggestions. It is important for hunters both new and experience to learn safe ways to utilize their gear and to learn to be safer using it. Happy hunting!
@@SwampNStomp do whatever you like. To me it's too much stuff and way too many things going on, especially at night
@@WoodHuntingSaddles everybody has their methods I know plenty of arborist that do mechanical, but I also know plenty they just spike. I've played with all different types of knots. The VT has been bulletproof once you get the right length cord for the line you're using. No back up double rope only
@@SwampNStomp Thanks for the videos