Is Metallica Overrated?
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- Metallica is one of the biggest names in music ever, not just in metal. After forty years, is it safe to ask if Metallica is Overrated?
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Metallica is an American heavy metal band. The band was formed in 1981 in Los Angeles by vocalist and guitarist James Hetfield and drummer Lars Ulrich, and has been based in San Francisco for most of its career. The band's fast tempos, instrumentals and aggressive musicianship made them one of the founding "big four" bands of thrash metal, alongside Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer. Metallica's current lineup comprises founding members and primary songwriters Hetfield and Ulrich, longtime lead guitarist Kirk Hammett, and bassist Robert Trujillo. Guitarist Dave Mustaine, who formed Megadeth after being fired from the band, and bassists Ron McGovney, Cliff Burton and Jason Newsted are former members of the band.
72 Seasons is the upcoming eleventh studio album by American heavy metal band Metallica. It is set for release on April 14, 2023, by their own label Blackened Recordings. 72 Seasons is produced by Greg Fidelman, who produced the band's previous studio album, Hardwired... to Self-Destruct (2016), and will be the band's second studio album to be released through Blackened.
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I think the important thing is the difference between something being overrated and overly liked. Some people may not like Metallica and that's fine, but their significance to metal and heavy music in general is so high that it's hard to objectively say they're overrated in being praised when so many people draw inspiration from them.
I get what you mean. There is a difference.
Hey! I didnt know you liked metal! :)
Definitely. I don’t think they are overrated. First of all it’s art and it’s really what you want to listen to. With their new album coming out, I’m seeing people that haven’t even heard the whole thing yet say the same old thing we’ve heard which is “they’ve suck since they put out the Black album” I’ve heard so many people write off this album in the two previous insane it’s not thrash metal but if you look at what the definition of thrash metal is these albums, check all those boxes. I’m not saying that 72 seasons or death Magnetic is just as good as master of puppets or anything like that, every artist has their prime where they write their best stuff. Do you ever hear anyone talk about any album pass the mid 90s being the greatest Slayer album ever? No.
I do think Metallica or underappreciated and I understand if someone doesn’t like the black album or whatever but you can’t deny what that album did for metal. It got a lot of people a lot of kids that weren’t into metal before but after they heard that album they got into Metallica and bought the first for albums, and they started getting into other bands like Slayer, Ozzy, Megadeth, Pantera etc.
I honestly don’t think there’s another band that has the microscope on them and gets nitpicked any more than Metallica does. You’re a regular old metal band that has about 1600 copies sold of their album but everyone swears that’s their favorite band, if they fuck up on stage, no one makes a big deal about it but if someone in Metallica fucks up on stage that that person is now the worst person ever to ever pick up that instrument. I would never see anyone has to like any band or any album but I wish metal fans did not have so much in common with Star Wars fans and realize if there’s a piece of entertainment you don’t want to enjoy then don’t listen to it. No one’s making anyone listen to anything at gunpoint.
This comment is what I first thought as well - they’re one of the most popular bands ever and no band (except maybe the Beatles) could ever fully live up to that level of hype.
@@bdr113080 good point, I don't understand why.. Metallica is comparible with an office career: starting in your 20's, having ideas 3 or 4 times that alter the company, maybe even the industry, you get to an age where you start questioning "is this what I wanna do?", reinvent yourself, and restart doing your work, sticking to what you do best. people will look at you and say: "you're lazy AF" completely forgetting your past,
Maybe not as good as they once were, but they were majorly influential. Also, they were a lot of people’s first exposure to heavier music, myself included
For me it was Linkin Park, Korn, Ozzy, Slipknot then Metallica
@@christiandauz3742 when I lived in California as a kid, we first got MTV when the one video was playing and right before the videos for the black album started showing. I was absolutely addicted to the one video as a kid
They didn’t form in the Bay Area, they moved there because that’s where Cliff was from.
The first four Metallica albums are legendary, I don't think those were overrated at all.
It’s amazing that theey released 5 solid albums in 8 years, most bands don’t even get to 5.
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first 5. only old heads care about the change
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No chance, they have overrated songs but they’re an amazing band. Definitely not overrated
Nope. 40 years in the business is not being overrated.
The die hard fans don't love the band, it's Hetfield they will defend to the death. He is untouchable but the rest of them are fair game for criticism.
The question shouldn't be if they're overrated. Are they still relevant?
St. Louis native here you just made me love the point even more just for them thrashing on the st anger drum tracks
Perfectly rated imo, a lot of their music (especially their 4 albums from the 80s) still holds up incredibly well and their impact on music as a whole is undeniable. I think the fact that they’ve had some stinker albums and still get as much credit as they do just goes to show how incredible their legacy
you should include the black, imo only old heads care about the style change until the songs became bad
Their singer makes them boring whenever you hear him in most songs.
Metallica is my favorite band of all time, and I completely agree with you. Even as somebody that likes every album besides St Anger (I’ve listened to 72 thanks to leaks, and really like it), I can at least understand why people would dislike/hate quite a few of their releases, and can completely get why people would consider them overrated.
You like Lulu?
@@derpanzer5645 Lulu is a Lou Reed album featuring Metallica, not the other way around, and it’s awful
@@flameosaurus1832 I guess it's not metallicas fault
Properly rated, they have the catalog to back up their success
They’re first 5 albums during their prime are definitely not overrated…the legacy this band submitted not just metal but in music in general it’s just amazing as a metalhead myself I never get tired of hearing this band. Btw there’s a difference between being overrated and being bad.
I still think that Load and Reload are very underated. There are so much great songs, like: hero of the day, mama said, bleeding me or until it speels on Load and ofc on Reload: memory remains, low man lirics (trully love this one), devil dance, better than you and ofc unforgiven 2. Still have no idea why ppl dont like those two so much. Love everything Mettalica done from killam all to s&m and most of those albums i know all words.
I get it, Load and reload are different but 100% both albums are not worse.
Have you ever seen them LIVE? They have definitely made History, and still gain new fans daily..I have been lucky enough to see them with Cliff Burton, and Jason Newstead, and what I have experienced, I would NOT consider overated.
Si, Metallica empieza con M de MI**DA, que es lo que es este grupo ¡UNA MI**DA O UNA BASURA DE UN GRUPO Y UNA BANDA INCOMPRENSIBLEMENTE SOBREVALORADA TENIENDO EN CUENTA QUE HAY SUBGÉNEROS Y ARTISTAS QUE MOLAN MUCHO MÁS QUE MI**DALLICA, COMO ES EL CASO DEL NÜ-METAL (Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit, Sevendust, etc.). ¡Y al que no le guste lo que acabo de decir, ¡QUE LE JOOOOO***********AN! (MR. KENNEEEEEEEEEDY xD)! ¡No saben lo que se pierden! Total, mucho mejor para mi si no estan de acuerdo conmigo, verdaderamente me están haciendo un gran favor porque así MIS GUSTOS SERÁN MUCHO MÁS ÚNICOS y no seré una p**a copia del resto ¡Soy único en mi especie! ¿A quién le gusta ser un calco exacto de los demás? Personalmente A MI ¡NO! Y no será que los propios Metallica en el lapso de los años 2000 compusieron muchas piezas musicales de ese género (el Nü-Metal) como podemos observar en uno de sus discos más polémicos (cosa que no entiendo realmente): el St. Anger de 2003, y eso es porque Hetfield y los suyos son conscientes y reconocen que estas bandas 90eras del Nü-Metal ¡LES HAN SUPERADO A MI***ALLICA, Y CON CRECES! ¿Sabéis que es lo mas paradójico y cachondo de toda esta historia? Que encima los propios fanáticos de Mi***allica desconocen este álbum de ellos (el St. Anger) y tampoco tienen ni puñetera idea del subgénero del Metal al que pertenece ese álbum (se llama Nü-Metal, y no os voy a describir en que consiste porque para eso tenéis el internet a vuestro alcance, ¡así que investiguen, señores, que no vivimos en la Edad de Piedra!)
¡Con eso lo digo todo! ;) .l.
I definitely agree with your conclusion, and I think it's well-argued. I hope you don't get too many whiny fanboys dropping death threats.
I think the problem is the same problem that the music industry generally has. When a popular artist arises, the radio stations, the magazine's, the music journalists etc, all jump on that artist and blow them up. They get a much larger amount of time on radio and on TV. They get much more coverage on social media. And this sudden increase in exposure makes them significantly more popular which means more exposure and suddenly the artists are playing bigger venues live and being offered the best festival slots, which makes them more popular which increases exposure. And so on. I think of a radio station here in the UK, Capital FM. It's just the current top 10 tracks on repeat, all day. Like give another band a chance. And this is my problem with it. If it's popular, sure, give it more exposure. But don't forget about other bands. And it's frustrating because for me, looking at other similar bands in the genre, I prefer Megadeth, Slayer and Kreator to Metallica. I think they are all just as good and just as worthy as Metallica. But because Metallica got that exposure, they were catapulted to the top whilst Megadeth and Slayer were left behind. Our main rock festival in the UK repeatedly books Metallica to headline. Megadeth and Slayer never have and probably never will. Not when Metallica is around stealing the limelight. And Megadeth and Slayer are definitely worthy headliners. And it's not just Metallica. Sticking with Download Festival headliners. KORN will never get a chance because of Slipknot. Judas Priest always seems to come second fiddle to Iron Maiden. Bullet for my Valentine lose out to Avenged Sevenfold. And yet, I think KORN, Judas Priest and Bullet for my Valentine would be a perfectly good Download lineup. But this cycle of popularity boosted Slipknot, Iron Maiden and Avenged Sevenfold, deservedly, but also disproportionately leaving other hard working, worthy bands in the dust. So is Metallica over rated? YES. They are the biggest metal band, and deservedly so. But I think they are only fractionally better than their peers who need to work twice as hard to reap half the benefit. I think exactly the same of A7X, Iron Maiden and Slipknot. And I'm a huge Iron Maiden fan, I personally think they are 10x better than Metallica, but I also appreciate that they have been given so many advantages that other metal bands haven't had. And it's frustrating.
Metallica had the SONGS. None of those bands you mentioned had anything of substance on that level. Besides Maiden. And that’s the reason maiden and Metallica are still around filling stadiums.
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Metallica was my first concert ever in 2016. They played hardwired live for the first time ever. And it was the us bank stadium which was brand new. It was the first rock show performed there. I was expecting a new unheard song because of this but they didn’t. That would have been so cool
5 legendary albums, Load is objectively very good, Death Magnetic has great songs and Hardwired has some amazing stuff on it.
In hindsight, St. Anger has bangers too.
They're nowhere near overrated.
WoW! I loved Through the Never. I often put it on while I clean the house. Great live DVD.
One thing I’ll never understand about Metallica is the fact that the second they announce and put out new music, no matter how good it is, people go “well they made st anger so they automatically suck.”
I was thinking this the other day and I am 100% with you on everything except Load & Reload have some tracks I love, although I agree that as whole albums, they aren't great. Had they just taken the best songs from both and created one album, then they might have been better received.
S&M is fantastic, and you can hear how James' voice shifted over the years, with his deeper voice the older songs (in my opinion) really soar. I would love to hear them re-record their first albums, I would honestly re-buy them if they did.
now let me check my spelling :)
Black - s&m best James vocal era
The interesting thing is a few key decisions in their career could've made them into truly "rated this highly for a reason" status. If Load and Reload had been consolidated into a single album of the best songs between the two, it would've been a respectable follow-up to the black album. Similiar thing with Hardwired and 72 Seasons, trim the fat and cut down all the songs by a few minutes. Better production and shorter songs on St. Anger and Death Magnetic. Just those few things and a lot less people would question why they have the reputation they do but there were a lot of headscratcher missteps throughout their career.
Overexposed might be the better word and even then do I agree absolutely! But the framing here comes across like only listening to Metallica without a variety or information of other bands to enjoy as well. As a fan of a Metallica its not about liking everything its the fact of people nitpicking apart/comparing everything like children instead of enjoying the music. Obviously the 80's were the glory days but a continuation without any initial growth will land them I don't know either left in the dust as some of their peers were or just repetitive as Slayer who wore their sound out by the time of "World Painted Blood". Far as later albums their all great and while some songs I don't care that's to be expected. In the case of 72 Seasons as someone who has heard it it's a great album which varieties in style of thrashy to Black/very light Load with the modern production of the same producer of Death Magnetic and Hardwired.
Went to the listening party for 72 Seasons pre-release and while there are some standout tracks, sitting through 77 minutes of Metallica trying to prove a point was tough i have to say. I left feeling mentally exhausted, not uplifted as i hoped. Maybe it’s a grower? Time will tell. Laying out your soul and baring your emotions is, for James, some kind of catharsis by his own admission. But is it what the fans want? For me no. I agree that there are some absolute highlights along the way for Metallica but i wanted some kind of face melting experience, not an overblown riff fest that slowly reduces your ability to distinguish one track from the next. Was i disappointed? Honestly yes because it felt a bit emotionally draining. Rob tried to make some tracks relatable with his descriptions of the connections he feels to them, but i feel even he can’t see the woods for the trees. This album will come in a “blaze of hype” but i feel it will disappear even quicker.
I actually agree with you.
They used to be my favorite band, they are still great. I’m enjoying their new albums, can’t argue with some of the songs they released, they are good.
That being said, Metallica can fart on an album and it will still go double platinum and some people will still defend it as a masterpiece.
all their best stuff was written with Cliff Burton, and some stuff with Dave Mustaine. After that it's pretty downhill composition wise, with the exception of and justice for all. but are all you favorite songs on And justice for all really? not me personally. i love playing Kill em all, ride the lightning, and master of puppets albums. every song on those albums are a banger. Black albums ok, but pretty easy to play on guitar compared to earlier stuff.
they are a permanent staple and pretty much grandfathered in heavy music, I think some expect RTL 2 or MOP 2 and it's never gonna happen again. they're older and are in diff stages in life, they're still great live even as old as they are 🤷🏻♀️
EDIT: 7:56 oh God, how did I forget that Hetfield is the table?!? just plss NOOO Sir!! 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
As a diehard metallica fan, i will agree some of their stuff is not good, but always love heating new material because it shows the juices are still flowing and they WANT to make new music, they dont have to at this point, also, i grew up a 90s kid so the load/reload, garage inc, s&m stuff will always have a soft spot in my heart lol
for me its yes and no
yes, as for a band thats been around since the 80s 4 good albums is all they have to show along with lars lackluster drum playing leaves a lot to be desired along with that their later stuff the songs feel repetitive at times.
No because the amount of bands that list Metallica from old to new as a influence really shows how they have lasted the test of time and those 80s albums are well some of the best that metal has to offer.
I 100 percent agree with every word you said. Clap clap clap
No. Flatly, no. They’re not overrated. Overhated, yes. But not overrated.
for your next video can you please do how Rock artists inspire and influence by Bob Marley.
I loved load and reload when I was a kid and still love them now
I started off with load and reload (and little bits of the Black album), before i met the music from the 80s. I loved (re)load because i had no other experience with the band. Then i heard the albums from the 80s which where harder and different, but i also liked that.
The stuff from the 2000s and up are very decent (st anger needs a remastering without that eerie drum and it will be decent to others too. Also this album is the reason they still exist today) and outstand most of the music made in that era, even in rock. (I don't see lulu as a metallica album)
Are they as creative as in the 80s and 90s: no, but they have proven it all and now do the things they like. And they seem happier than ever, that is the most important.
Overrated: no, there is no perfect band, so all the bands would be overrated for that standard.
Yes, my expectations are not high for the new album it be decent, you cannot argue the 1st 4 albums i will argue is the best 1st 4 albums by any band they were a machine in the 80's that was damn near unstoppable.
Not when you have albums like Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets and are still touring all over the world all the time putting on great shows.
I think I would rate them similar to The Rolling Stones- strong first 5-10 years, solid next 10 or so years where something they make cuts through the media clutter, an era of more forgettable/ poor music supported by touring, and then tying up the career with solid releases that usually don't cross too far out of the genre or fan base.
As to if they are overrated, I like your "slightly overrated" answer. Their first chunk of stuff is the stuff of legend and influence, and deserving all the praise. And everything after that dims their star a bit.
In their defense though, they did also do something that most bands of their stature do that most of them couldn't (Led Zeppelin, The Eagles, The Police, The Smiths, others)- stay mostly together with limited member rotation over the whole run time with no full break ups.
This doesn't make them a great or bad band, but it definitely adds a level of uniqueness that they have and most other bands don't. (Pantera, who it touring with them, is missing a couple of its essential core members)
A video like this for Guns ‘N Roses would be interesting
Perfectly said!
I get the impression that their more experimental albums barred them from a lot of metalheads' GOAT discussions. Whether they're overrated or over-hated, it's not by much. While I definitely agree that they've had some misfires (Load and Reload should have been one album featuring the top 4-6 tracks from each), the stylistic shifts make them much more interesting when going album-to-album than a lot of other bands that kept the same style too long.
I guess they could be overrated but they got me into both the drums and metal in jr high so I have a generally positive impression of them. I don’t have them at the Sabbath/Judas Priest level (personal preference) but they are undeniably a part of music history.
At this point I'm just stoked to get more music from my favorite band. Music is the most subjective topic you can argue, so there's no point in calling you names because you just experience the music differently than I do and that's ok. Metallica is not overrated in my book, but then again they were the band that helped me get through some of my darkest days, so my opinion of them is going to be way different than a lot of other music goers. Thanks for the vid, and I'm looking forward to the next one. :)
COuld not agree more with your statement (sorry about the first word the shift key stuck)
i agree with you. i think fans just make band look so perfect. it is definetly not perfect, but metallica is great, amazing, legendary. one of the best, if not the best for sure.
Yea a little bit i agree 100%
So they released 4 ( maybe 5 depending on your black album opinion) of the best metal albums ever. One after an other. In under 10 years.
What other bands have done this or come close to it?
Metallica is my life but I hold my hands up and admit some albums are well below par. When you set yourself such a high standard it's near impossible to retain that.
For that reason and what they have done to inspire other bands that I love , I would never say they are overrated.
What they have done for music and how they have been a gateway to other heavier bands for so many people including myself is incredible.
I hated metal until I heard the black album , now I love all the great metal bands and YES that includes Megadeath!!😂
Respect your opinion and enjoyed your video mate. Everyone has different views, makes life interesting. 🤘
I think the question needs to be broken down a bit more in order for a proper answer because there are a lot of variables to consider. The late virtuoso Cliff Burton. The legendary status of their first 4 albums. The massive pop culture success of the black album. Their down to earth and relatable lyrics. James Hetfield, riff legend and overall cool guy. Lars Ulrich, the so-so drummer whose arrangement skills are completely underrated and whose vision of the band was unrelenting to the point of success. Jason Newsted, the ball of energy that made live shows a spectacle. ALL of the controversy that kept them in the spotlight, even in tough times. Their honesty. Their longevity. Their influence. Their singles. Their live shows. Their iconic name. All these considered, I think the answer is, no, they're not overrated. Some people would argue they're not technical enough to be great, or they're not talented enough, or they've put out one too many dud albums. This is, of course, all subjective, but typically when a career spanning over 4 decades with multiple awards and recognitions coupled with an enormous fanbase with the ticket sales to prove it, it's not a stretch to say they deserve their icon status
The black album was the beginning of the end. The only high lights were m&s and a cover album.
All that they are doing now is covering them self.
So sad
I'll say the same thing I did in the poll.
Overrated and Overhyped are not the same thing.
The band is absolutely hyped to the moon and back, but the music itself is generally appropriately rated.
I think that's a fair argument.
Eh, I think Load and Re-Load are good albums. But if your mark of "Overrated/Underrated" is because some zealots think they're perfect, then I think your rating is very misguided. And I think you're way off on Metallica fans in general. They're just like Star Wars, they either love it or hate. Hell, I spend 8 hours in line with a Metallica fan who think they sold out whenever they did a video for "One", said everything after Puppets "sucks", but yet was spending 8 hours in line for a show lol
I'm not exactly on your side, with this, BUT, I think you present your case well. Either, You and I have a slightly different criteria for being 'overrated', or our respective experiences within, and our impressions of, the 'Metallica' fanbase have been noticeably different. In 'my' experience, unlike other Rock/Metal fanbases. Metallica Fands don't tend to try and argue that they are the best musicians, Most will outright admit the various technical shortcomings, (particularly with Lars and occasionally Kirk). The reason why Metallica is as big as they are is that they have managed to attract the demographics of lay listeners that could give a crap less about bandmembers' names or any other details about them past "Hey, I like this song". Not only that, but they've managed to make the right moves to maintain the attention of 'that' unfathomably MASSIVE group, of all ages, for decades. There is no 'overrating' that feat. It's the goal of most musical acts in ALL genres, a 'holy grail'. I'm not denying that your argument has merit. I have come across the occasional 'Obsessed' fan, but most of the 'obsessed fans' I see, stalking Metallica videos are usually, like, Megadeth fans who want to attempt to troll. Other than them, they are usually people who have enjoyed Metallica songs for years, or are going to their first Metallica show, some young kid wanting to learn something on guitar, etc... Whether they are technically impressive to you, or not, their songs do all the right things, at the right time to hook the usually non-musician listener (For usually 5-9 minutes or more, which is itself, a feat for the mainstream) and have staying power. That, to me, as a musician for over 20-years, makes them 'not overrated' but truly 'great'.
Yes.
While the band have grown and recorded some amazing work, while being an intensive live performing juggernaut, their commonly cited strengths are often attributable to the smallest handful of their works: RTL/MOP/B.A. Classic albums, but for a Diamond-selling band who have stood the test of time, why aren't people talking about Load/ReLoad some more? Why was Death Magnetic praised to the high heavens upon release, only to be the album that is continually eclipsed by the above-named classic albums?
I love Metallica. But, they're essentially a legacy act once the new material is more than two years in age - that is, until the next record. There's SO MUCH more i'd love to hear them play live outside of the first five albums.
I like how everyone ignored their Livenation ticket resales scandal. I still love them don't get me wrong, but on the Hardwired tour. I got upper nosebleeds seats for $175 each. Not on resale. So I'm gonna say 50/50 on overrated.
As a band; possibly slightly overrated. But as a influence on metal: absolutely not. To this day I still can hear an influence in modern metal. And nowadays they shifted from major music influence to major business influence. is the upcoming tourconcept (2 days, no repeats) done before? And for example: I think "through the never" was fantastic (was it Cliff's soul in the bag, needed "to be Metallica at all"?) I love them, and their ideas overall. sometimes it bombs, sometimes it doesn't. I for one am glad they didn't listen to the early fans (ít doesn't sound like master of puppets, we want another master of puppets!)
Funny, back in the early to mid 1980s, they were so underrated.
One day I’ll put enough money on patreon so he can do lulu on regretting the past.
Not overrated at all. But maybe played out. Their inability to cut a intro is annoying. But their first four albums are brilliant. Black sounded big. Load and reload was fresh. But after that it was just neat ideas dragging on for far too long. And as much as st anger sucked it at least had the balls to be different to their back catalogue. Legendary band that unfortunately overstayed its welcome. If you want to feel the vibe of where the band are. See them live and say to yourself am I here to hear master of puppets or the new songs. Almost unanimously old classics I reckon.
Metallica is one of my favourite bands and a big influence on my guitar playing (plus Enter Sandman was one of the first songs I ever learned on guitar when I was younger), and while they have had a hell of a lot of ups and downs (as all bands do) they still revolutionized a lot during their career and are deserving of their title of one of the best metal bands in music. So I do agree with Luke's take at the end, yeah they're overrated but that doesn't mean that they're still not a damn good band and they'll always be one of my biggest influences
100% agreed, they’re mostly great but aren’t perfect and get too much attention compared to other metal bands.
They were perfect in 1991. That album made me listen to and buy the first 4 and I was blown away. I have still loved every album (not St Anger and Lulu obviously) since but are they over rated in 2023? Probably
Honestly when they tour most fans go to hear the classics. Their new album is good but the first 5 are metal canon
When you set the standard, you are going to take some hits from time to time! The biggest bands in history went through this also!
I don’t think they’re overrated. I honestly think they might be overhated. Being slightly older than the band itself (I was born two years before they formed) I’ve lived through seeing them getting backlash for pretty much everything they did. The Black Album was “too pop” and they got a lot of crap for cutting their hair for Load. Obviously, St Anger got a lot of, admittedly deserved, hate too.
It seems to me that people have too high expectations of them but they have always followed their muse and mostly made good music. Even if they never made another “Ride the Lightning” or “Master of Puppets” they have made plenty of good music and have continually put on great live shows.
You do Metallica an massive injustice by not mentioning Death Magnetic in the intro. it's the best Metallica album since the Black Album and far outshadows Hardwired for most Metallica fans.
I got the black album when it hit the shelves listened to it once then threw it in the bin they where done after the first 4 albums
RTL MOP AJFA TBE; these will always be on heavy rotation for me - the aggression in the songs is so addictive
Nonetheless, I respect their authenticity to make music that they wanna hear. Having new metallica is better than no metallica.
But I have got to be real, they’re no where close to having the musical technicalities seen in Megadeth (the album Dystopia specifically was a refreshing thrash sound)
I was going to make a very long comment but I'm going to summarize it: I don't think they are overrated because three of the same people who play today did immense things, and not only musically, in their first 5 albums. No one who is overrated can achieve that. But in the same way its "low" points are several. Metallica is one of my favorite bands and although I enjoy everything they did (except Lulu xD) there's a lot of Load, Reload, St Anger and Hardwired stuff that does not gets to me practically at all. Death Magnetic on the other hand seems wonderful to me. Neither those who put them as gods nor those who tear them down as the worst are right. They are just such a big band that they generate very strong feelings. Greetings, thanks for the video!
the definition of Thrash Metal was never lightning speed and virtuosity, it was was playing music that was a bit faster than that in Los Angeles and doing it without hair spray and spandex, basically play music in the same clothes you would walk down the street and then hop on the stage, when it came to lyrics, you would trade in "baby" for "die" "death" or "fire" and off you went
I would say Nowadays- yes, Back In The Day- no
Metallica made four classic metal albums and one with hits. And although their albums were mediocre at best after that, their popularity grew and made them a save bet for festivals and concerts. But they're not overrated. It's more like other metal and hard rock bands didn't get the mainstream attention and are not in the system of an average person. Metallica are.
Back in the 90s and early 2000s I probably wouldn't have said they were overrated, but now I probably would. Of course I prefer their albums from the 80s and early 90s.
Yeah I remember hearing that on the point and how they gave away copies of st anger with a can of pledge to see if you could really polish a turd 😂
I like Holier Than Thou too
If that’s the case on basing a band as overrated, then every band is overrated all bands have hits and misses. I’m just happy MetallicA are still around to make music
That’s what’s great about music it’s about feeling NOT technicality
Not to mention the live interview on air with Lars when their dump button ran out so it was almost entirely uncensored 😂
I read the name of this video and started typing here prior to watching any of it. Yup, I'm impartial on this one. Metallica is NOT overrated. However, I will leave this comment unposted until I watch the video in case there is compelling evidence that they are...
I'm back... And your argument is not necessarily wrong... I'm going to throw a disclaimer here that you should forward to the TL;DR below for the summation.
...And I think you were talking specifically to me when you said that (paraphrasing) some Metallica fans hold the music they released in that first decade in such high regard that we'd give them a pass on everything that happened from the Black album on. For me, you're not entirely wrong.
I had just turned 9 years old when Kill 'em All was released and in a home where we only listened to country music, so I wasn't in at the start. My first listen was from a copy of a copy of a copy of Master of Puppets when I was around 12 years old. I was floored. I went back to grab their prior albums (I was still mostly into vinyl at the time) and loved every song.
When Justice came out and the video for "One" started getting a lot of airplay on MTV, I was all kinds of stoked. It tells a great story and got Metallica into the mainstream, but it missed some of the best stuff of Metallica. Even on the same album, "The Frayed Ends of Sanity" and "Dyer's Eve" were my jams.
When the "Black" album came out, I was way into "My Friend of Misery" and "The God That Failed" more than other songs, with "Sad But True" and "Holier Than Thou" coming in right behind. I wasn't as in to the "radio-friendly" stuff as much as I was into the rest of it. I don't know if that was just me (and an honorable mention to "Of Wold and Man" for having a guitar hook that I spent a ridiculous amount of time learning how to play).
The 12 months starting with the release of the Metallica Black album (8/12/91) were IMHO the best 12 months that metal has ever experienced. 3 other albums released between 8/12/91 and 8/11/92 are: Ozzy Osbourne - "No More Tears" - 9/17/91, Pantera - "Vulgar Display of Power" - 2/25/1992, and Megadeth - "Countdown to Extinction" - 7/14/1992. If you are watching this video and don't own at least 3 of those 4 albums, you're doing life wrong.
"Load" and "Reload" were pretty terrible to me when I heard them for the first time. I don't think I was ready for country ballads from Metallica when they were released. They have grown on me, at least certain songs. I really like "The Thorn Within" now, but it wasn't Metallica at the time.
After those albums (Load and Reload)... It got ugly. "St. Anger" was... well... it was... That is the one Metallica album that I don't have any physical copy of. I'm certain I have a digital copy of it on some platform or other, but there's no reason I would ever want to verify that.
Death Magnetic seemed like a full-on over-correction to me. It was like: Look, we can still play fast as hell, worship us! That one fell pretty flat. Fast as fuck and I can't fault it, but very pedestrian for a Metallica album.
Hardwired... To Self-Destruct was different though... "Halo on Fire" is far and away my favorite thing Metallica has done in the last 25-ish years. The guitar-work, the melody, the slight hint of something coming... The video that accompanies it makes it even better. That's some good stuff.
TL;DR
Metallica is definitely not overrated, but their early music set a bar so high that even they can't achieve it again. Those over 40 will hammer the table and say they haven't done anything good since the 80s (maybe early 90s) and those who are under 40 probably think they're just another band that puts an album out every few years -indistinguishable from the other acts they're familiar with. Hell, I just spent about 700 words doing my own version of that same thing.
Hell No they are not overrated! 🤘🤘
I couldn't disagree more but to each their own. 🍻
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@@HallowedKhaos91 You say that like their aren't other bands out there besides them who you couldn't listen to or are even more overrated then Metallica themselves.
@@julianfelton3068 I never said their weren't more overrated bands out their. This was specifically about Metallica. 🤷♂️
@@HallowedKhaos91 Yes it is about them but the framing here of them being overrated like somehow their overshadowing other bands is ridiculous. I love a multitude of bands including Metallica but overrated ain't the word maybe overexposed might fair better here.
Sorta. They're definitely a great band, and one of my faves, but the fact that people lost their sh*t over that super mid Lux Aeterna song shows that some people will think that anything they put out is gold.
To each their own
James' vocals in that song are truly horrific. That weird crooning is just nails on a chalkboard. He sounds good in the other songs but man it really hurts my ears in that song.
Okay. So taking in account what was said in the video, I'm going to have to say no, they're not overrated.
I'm not saying that the views expressed in the video are wrong. Far from it, actually. I wholeheartedly agree with everything he said. But one thing he didn't consider: the people who *hate* Metallica.
When you look at the vitriol that some people have for Metallica, you would swear that the band invented cancer, according to those people. I could go on and on about their negativity, but my grand point is that I would argue that those people are enough to offset the untouchable status that was established in this video.
Basically, I feel like it levels out to Metallica being perfectly rated, warts and all.
I would agree with your assessment. I discovered them in the 80’s and I thought they were awesome. Every album after garage days re-re visited has 2 or 3 songs that I really like. So far lux aterna has only produced 1 that I truly enjoy. So yeah, at least slightly overrated.
The live albums Live sh*t and Through the never are 🔥🔥
Overall in their history, they are not overrated. They were a major part in getting thrash on the map. But these new songs are not special nor do they even begin to touch what they did in their first 5 albums. In that sense, they are being overrated. I am a long time fan, their albums are not as good as they were in the past.
He called all the commenters incels and other names and yet all the comments are civil.
11:57 That's a great point. Their highs are so high and their lows are so low that it almost ruins their complete body of work.
As an Iron Maiden fan, I cannot comment.
Not overrated, but surely since the LP "...And Justice for All", they lost their way. I was a big fan of the band and I had the pleasure and luck to see 'em live for "Master of Puppets" and "...And Justice for All" tour twice and twice after after the release of the bleah... ehm... "Black Album". Probably that was the starts of the negative peak, at least for my taste. I bought both "Load" and "ReLoad" LPs and holy crap that was the end fro me. From that point on I stopped following 'Tallica. The rest of the LPs that followed were in my opinion well below the skills of the band.
What I like about Metallica (as my admittedly favourite band) is that they try and do new stuff. Is it all great? Hell no, but each album has some good songs. And I like the fact that you can recognise the music to be from a certain era, whereas bands like AC/DC, RHCP and Coldplay all sound the same, whether it is earlier or more recent work.
So overrated? They are by the die hard fans probably, but that holds for every idol.
Just went to the album premiere. This is the best Metallica album since re-load, back half is best.
Is yes and no an acceptable answer?
Yes. It's a tricky question.
They are fine unless Jethro Tull releases another album this year.
I won't say that they're perfect, or that they haven't made missteps. Of course they have. But at the same time, I still find it really difficult to consider them as 'overrated', purely because the scope of their influence due to their early output is _so_ massive. There are very few metal bands with a name recognition or a legacy as wide-reaching as theirs (Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest are the only three that come to mind). In the 80s, they were the gold standard for thrash as a subgenre. And from a personal standpoint-- Metallica _was_ my own gateway into heavy metal. A friend of mine in high school got me to listen to _Master of Puppets._ I was instantly a fan, and have been for decades now.
Whatever the quality of their work may be presently-- and I do try to approach their more recent work with objectivity and honesty-- I feel they've already cemented their importance in the genre's history, and it's virtually unimpeachable.
At the time ('83-'88), they were an incredibly innovative band-the fastest, HEAVIEST thing you ever heard.
They had better songs and better production values than all their contemporaries.
There used to be an all-metal radio network called Z-ROCK that were the only stations to play Metallica-but they did it every hour.
It was "Mandatory Metallica"
Not overrated... I'm seeing them in August and I can't wait
I'm still standing by what I originally said in the prelude to this full video being released.
They are not overrated in general.
Hugely overrated in the genre they originated in, however. Most thrash metal bands will age like fine wine (Death Angel, Testament, Overkill) and other bands will meet very up and down patterns (notably the Big Four and especially Metallica/Megadeth). Metallica may have been the most commercially successful of the bunch, but they distanced themselves from their roots overtime and are just mostly seen as another metal band in that mold. Just a big successful one at that.
But yeah once they entered the 90s, they've passed that thrash metal torch onto the other bands who're still carrying it to this day.
I like them still as a band, but people forget that it's entirely subjective about how they see Metallica as a band. I'll consider Metallica better than a good 40% of Metal music that's put out today. But when people think they're going to say that Metallica is better than Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Judas Priest .etc then that's when I'll call bullshit and put them more or less equal.
I love Metallica, favorite band, seen them 13x and counting. with that said i agree with you for most part. Lightning is my favorite album, i actually think Master is overrated and actually prefer reign in blood.
I think they're about properly rated. But I think their mid to late career could have been less of a letdown if we got better lead guitar performances than what Kirk provided. His solos just became "stock", "cliche" wah wah wailings that were thin in tone, rushing to the finish line, and lacking the charisma needed to match the intensity of James' riffs. I thought Kirk was quite good through the Black album but from Load on I've always felt a better lead guitar player would have greatly improved the band's sound.
There will never be another Metallica. Changed the game
actually they weren't Multi platinum in 1986, they tour with OZZY & got more known & sold more Albums about Half Million By 1987
which is when i became a Fan. I think they pulled a Def Leppard & released too many Music videos 91 to 93, which just got more people
& Non Metal heads to like them. 1996 - 98 yeah those Albums Sucked & too many people liked them - Over Rated? YES
Excellent analysis, Luke! I’m very much of the opinion that their second, third, fourth, and fifth albums are all-time greats, but they’re not at all immune to some some mediocre (or even bad) albums during their 90’s-00’s slump.
I'll rep for Load and ReLoad any day.
You know what? That's fair. I honestly don't like Lux Eterna, and I've seen reactors act like it's some of the best shit they've ever heard, leaving me going "really?". So I'm more in the camp of "not really", I guess that's just a hair away from "Yeah, kinda". You say Load and ReLoad were forgettable, not for me, I loved both those albums. Metallica attracted a whole new generation of fans with those albums and I feel that shouldn't be understated. Even though I do genuinely enjoy a couple songs off St. Anger, I feel that was their first real misstep. But when you consider them as a whole, the band is more than just their successes and failures. They've shown as long as a you have a good ear for music, you can get out there and start making it. They've shown they know how to adapts with the changing genre, too many people accused them of "selling out" when they were just staying relevant, something many of the metal bands of the 80's failed to do as we got further and further into the 90's. Metallica didn't just sit back and rely on playing the same old hits over and over, and again in their second decade as a group, they still managed to put out quality singles. No, the albums from beginning to end were not as good as the first 5, but there was a solid 20-ish year period where even bad Metallica was still good shit. But again, in closing I do see where you're coming from with how people treat them like they can do no wrong. So I can't fault you for your train of thought.
kinda hard to be overrated when 99% of online metalheads are "mEtALiCa bAd cUZ LaRS"
Yes