Let's be honest DTG is just a scummy company that uses DLC to milk the living hell out of its consumers. The only reason why DTG is getting away with this is primarily the fan base. A study from 2015 stated DTG had made over 4,000 USD from DLC content. It's not DLC content anymore when you just send out random buggy content and it's more than 4,000 USD. If someday in the future another company begins to make TS games that are more consumer friendly. DTG will lose profits. All in all DTG just does not really care about what they are doing. The only way this can be fixed is if we the consumers speak out by voicing our concerns and complaints. DTG should be smart and make the cost for TSW 2 $10-15 if you owned the previous game, and $30 if not. This concept of making the same game annually is just stupid and scummy. My message: DTG FIX YOUR NASTY AND DIRTY ACTS AND PROVE THAT YOU CAN BE A GREAT COMPANY. DTG is starting to remind me of EA.
@@hi.7330 Did I ever say I have not heard of them? NO. Also Rockstar Games is the development team, Take Two interactive is the scummy publishers of the franchise. But DTG does NOT have loot boxes or micro transactions which I do appreciate.
Every company that makes games is turning into EA. It took them 20 yrs but the 1% has finally invaded the Industry.. and this is what the Elites do, they take something beloved, squeeze it dry until everyone hates it, scrap it and move on. The Greed won't end until Video games stop getting made. Welcome to Hell.
It's just a cashgrab. Trainz has had free content, long routes, bug free experiences and repainting abilities since 2001. Ten years later and these are apparently luxuries.
The company has struck gold by releasing the same content multiple times on near identical platforms. People need to stop rewarding this blatant blood sucking.
Well they are bringing a whole new engine so the game will look better and hopefully run better, you can't add a new engine to a game you need to make a new game, i do get where you are coming from though, I'm still gonna buy because of livery and scenario stuff since that isn't on Xbox idk about the pc and ps4 land
Tsw2 looks good and that's about it. Between the bugs, limited freedom, short routes, lack of 3rd party content, no steam and not bringing Northeast Corridor to preserved collection it still feels unpolished. This game has potential but is held back by its limitations and greed. Makes me miss the days of MSTS.
Dovetail Games knows very well how low the bar is set for pleasing ChooChoo Train People. Raise hell like Flight Sim fans do, and you'll see a better product. (Passengers walking through walls put me off for good).
Steam engines will be possible and should be coming now thanks to what they've worked on under the hood in TSW2, unfortunately the video author here forgot to look up a few of these important facts.
They can't do it in Train SIM world 2020 because of software limitations, but now Train SIM world 2 is coming with software upgrades they can now work on implementing things they couldn't in Train SIM world 2020
@@haydonsheard2168 Except I've worked with Unreal Engine and upgraded a game I'm working on to the better Unreal engine. I didn't have to make an entirely new game, they didn't either. They Chose to rip us off with more $20-30 DLC that doesn't add enough in the first base, and they chose to create a whole new game based off the other one with minimal amounts of new content. Is it worth it? No, no not yet.
@@itzzheniahere6824 I don't doubt it could or couldn't if they found it easier to create a whole new game based on exactly the same stuff then added new features then I support them 100%. I play on Xbox One s and since the new version was released i've had way better performance out of it compared to TSW 2020. They may or may not be as skilled as you are and have a lot more people doing lots of different things that they all get paid to do. I only paid for the base game because I already have most of the routes in the preserved collection so only have download for free the routes I already have and purchase the ones I don't have.
The images in the game are from Train Simulator (not Train Sim World 2). It's not even the same graphics engine. Between the 2 games, graphically this has nothing to do with it. Ditto for optimization and development. Yes, they have economic policy, like all businesses. It's a game for a more specialized clientele unlike many games, so reduced market. But DTG makes discounts every week, you can buy DLC from -30 to -60% (just wait). As a result, they do not have the same resources as Electronic Arts, for example. Every day, DTG is live with its community to answer questions, including the Project Manager "Train Sim World". Do you know a lot of game editors who do this? We (and I too) are always asking DTG for more: more locomotives, more lines, more functionality, more optimization, more, more... Train Sim World 2 is not even out (it comes out in August) as you criticize it. So yes, the big fashion on the Internet is to denigrate for everything and nothing, "without ever putting his identity". Personally, when I have a problem with DTG, I contact them directly and I have never had any problems. And once the game came out, if it no longer met my requirements or desires, I will no longer buy the DLCs but I would not denigrate it. What for? Because there are employees behind who do their jobs. But also, I would remember the many hours of play I had fun. PS: I don't work for DTG (easily verifiable on the Internet ).
On which basis you say that is not the same graphics engine? It is an UPDATED version of Unreal engine... So yes, it is a new VERSION of the engine. I don't mind buy a new version; I just don't think that ask me to pay again not only for fixes and updates that were supposed to be included in TSW, but for a new set of DLC that should work in TSW (as the TSW DLC should work in TSW2), and even make me think like DTG hasn't been doing this since 2009, then it is a bit pretentious :)
@Preston They dont sign up to get criticised, but criticism most certainly comes with the territory. Im splitting hairs, I know. I agree with you about the greed. There constantly pushing to see how much leverage they have, customers roll over everytime. Companies know they will be insulted in reviews but the pay off is worth it for them. We need solidarity amongst gamers and we need to put the foot down. Later bud.
@Preston The game is not bad if you consider it is fundamentally the same game as TSW, with minimal changes, priced at lower price. It is like a phone company wrapping the old phone in a new shell, sell it with a different name at lower price. People that didn't buy the same phone before, see value in it; while the others that forked full price for the phone, when it came out years before, don't see any reason to consider that a good value, since it won't add much to their current experience. Don't mistake what you like with what is objectively good or bad; our personal preferences should not dictate how we evaluate a product.
williamx xxx I wouldn’t get to excited about London Underground it will be a repeat of Southern Trains Didn’t make the use of the license. Only ever released 1 train and that’s it
They should have gone with the Sub surface lines instead. If they want, they can even use the A stock/D stock/C stock. Deep level tubes is just a big no for TSW
I totally agree with him At end of the day there are loads of bugs in this game and you know they could’ve easily added the features of trains in the 2 to the current game instead of having to buy a total new game
Bakerloo line connecting with Great western express is a ridiculous request as the station that the Bakerloo line stops at requires you to go up some escalators, along a corridor, along another corridor, up some stairs and then across the street to get to the mainline station, the HAC and circle toward hammersmith are the tube trains that stop inside the mainline station
Didn't they say they added that in an update? And I agree, Bakerloo has got me sweating like a kid in a candy shop - but the attitude of DTG recently has been appalling. We could quite easily have all of this stuff in TSW2020 with an update
@@lordbrit4630 I could not agree more, but too many of they're routes are buggy. I think they will struggle to implement all the signals on the line, too many for DTG to do. We will all be commiting SPAD's, I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think I am. The more they update stuff, the more problems they make.😕
Also TSW 1 OR TSW 2020 was SUPPOSED to be the next generation in train simulation. All that is lies. DTG has huge potential but when in the wrong hands things will collapse. I watched a stream with Matt. He did not even care or show any emotions about the negative comments. We all fail to certain degrees but usually we learn and take action from these mistakes. Something of which DTG has not learned and will inevitably fail. Tell me what you think.
@@atent5124 How do you know, you don't work for them. You don't know how meny employees they have. See you have no right to judge judge them. And I 100% agree with DuckTales response. If you don't want it you don't have to F-ing buy it.
I would have liked if they did New York to Washington D.C for the NEC. Newark liberty to New Rochelle is not that far and you don’t even reach the trains maximum speed. The fastest that I ever reached as 85 mph which was for only a minute or two
It would be nice if Train Sim World had lines more than 40 miles long. They've obviously made it with an eye on the console market, and given that their MD is a former EA Man, they're taking elements from the sports franchises (a regular engine update packaged as a new game) and from the Sims (DLC packs that cost almost as much as the game), but because there's no competition know they have their customers over a barrel. Especially if you're on XBox, when there's rarely a discount of more than a couple of quid. I reported some bugs to their technical support and their answer was ostensibly "get a more modern XBox"
I totally agree with you they could’ve easily added the new features to with the new game to the old one and just fix the bugs but no they’re too greedy and they want the money for the new game which I will not be given them
Dovetail has to be the worst company I have ever known about. I looked at reviews from people who worked for them and the top comment said the company had poor management "they really don't know what they are doing most of the time". Which I think really shows in the latest releases. They are lazy and want to get around problems without facing them. Issue is that they are basically the only company that develops up to date and frequent train simulator games which leaves no other competitors to move to. I believe if there was another company selling train simulations, Dovetail would be gone as no one would bother with there lazy choices anymore.
This video is a bit of a joke to be fair. 1st the title reads "TSW2 IS a Joke" then the author contradicts himself and says "It FEELS like a joke" Not the same thing, I know I'm what did he call it, "nit picking" Then he goes on about Train Sim, not Train Sim World and then follows up with what he thinks is true about TSW2 and not with actual facts about TSW2. His belief is anyone can make this because it's made in Unity, when in fact it's made in the Unreal Engine a totally different game engine, and everyone who has DLC for TSW be rest assured, it will work with TSW2. Also he say's that Dovetail have brought out a lot of buggy and bad dlc's, but then calls them the most adept train sim company, make up your mind, stop sitting on the fence, you are not a CAT! He also says if it's priced at over £5 he won't buy it, you'll be missed as the price (another fact that you could have looked up as it has been released) is £24.99. I for one would be happy to support Dovetail employees so that they can feed their families in these rough times. But you stay with you mislead lorals... There are a lot of things under the hood that have also been changed so that we'll finally be able to get steam engines, maybe even multiplayer later on, although they have confirmed this is somewhat of a lesser priority. You make out it's just livery's you can now change, there is a scenario planner also to mention just one more thing, maybe do a little more homework, or speak to a representative at Dovetail before making what can only be construed as an attempt to CLICK BAIT and get subscribers...
Like the rest of the train sim game money sink community, you appear to be an autistic retard with no ability to reason properly. "feels like" and "is" are not mutually exclusive, retard i don't give a shit what engine it's in, it's not worth another £25, retard train simulator actually used to be well supported and enjoyable, which is why I am saying DTG are likely the most adept - nonetheless their recent actions have proven they are only interested in making money, retard maybe if you actually worked hard for your money like I do you'd rather not piss it away on lacklustre patches they charge £25 quid for, retard they made all of these promises that you are eluding to with TSW and they never came through with them, retard I could have made a video to make this point, but unlike you I actually have a job, academic studies and real life friends, and those things are far more important to me than views to extend the tip of my youtube cock. If I wanted subscribers, I could buy them, like you have. Nice view to subscriber ratio, it really shows that you must make really good content, lol
P.S. When I have some free time I'm gonna make a video that will make you cry... (should I put retard at the end of the sentence again or am I overdoing it? maybe if i do the same thing 1300 times it might mean it's really good) xxx
Alcibiades Hey listen mate, just face it this video is a waste of time no one cares what you think about the new game. And there’s no need to call folk retards when clearly your the uneducated one in this.
@@lordbrit4630 calling DTG supporters retards is just a step to far your exactly what other commenters have said just a waste of space just uploading clickbait videos thinking it will get you subcribers
In my opinion the bakerloo line is rushed, for example i found a barrier hanging over the tracks at one of the stations that the train will just clip through
Well here is the thing, with the ubder the hood improvements, including the change to a newer unreal engin version, I think ia lot of oeople will stop you when you call it the same game, well tea it’s the same game, in the same way rhat ms flight sim95,98,2000,X was and dtg is a bit smaller than ms, personally I’lll hold my gudement untill we se a bit more actual fameplay, that actually demonstrates the new upgrades better
Because doing that Would make all the DLC that came out for it Impossible to play and it would be super hard for the team to make it all work and what About all of the Community that made a lot of routes for free by using assets from the train sim they better off just make a new train simulator that is Jast like train simulator 2021
Ye agreed! Plus from what i understand they had a lot of trouble implementing things they wanted to implement in TSW1 for code reasons so i believe that is also partially what TSW2 is for.
First of all, those pics are nothing to do with TSW2 and secondly that is your problem that you have so many Class 43's not ours or Dovetail Games problem. And plus, there are more features in TSW2 to make it more realistic such as Livery Maker, Scenario Designer, Better graphics (even though TSW2020 had great graphics too) and just things they have added into the new sim that has made it to be a more realistic and a more enjoyable experience. We also did not have a scenario editor back in the TSW2020.
Yet is that worth 20-60 more dollars than the game you already pay for? If you look at some DLC for TSW in the first place, such as the Canadian National route. Which is honestly a big fat kick in your face, since most of it is trash. I won't go into details there, but apart from that, TSW 2 really should have a way to get the game with a free ticket, like Minecraft when Minecraft came out with the Microsoft version and used a different platform. Making a completely different game overall. This new TSW is truly a joke when you compare it to most game companies who (If they make a second game) usually spend more time on it, more effort on adding in tons of new things, and a more unique feel. It doesn't feel much different and honestly the graphics quality is worse is more than one aspect.
Are you kidding me? This video, IS A JOKE. Train Sim World 2 is NOT a joke. YOU ARE WRONG. I'm not kidding. This video you made WAS A FREAKING JOKE! Dovetail Games is amazing. I might will just say for MYSELF that I will love TSW2 for better quality graphics, a new zoom in and out control for Xbox one, PS4, and PC, new scenario planner, new livery designer, CSX heavy haul the route I always wanted to play on XBOX ONE, the new Shcnellfashrecke route, the new Bakerloo line route, and more. I'm talking about the whole game so DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT MAKING A VIDEO FULL OF LIES! I'm serious. I will love that game because of the zoom in and out controls even more than just that like a new and big experience I will have on CSX heavy haul because it's American and I am an American even though I don't see any CSX trains pass by here in Holland, Texas. It's me, BNSFgameplay. (XBOX ONE)
when Italian line? we have a lot of interesting loco, wonderfull panorama, think about Rome , Milano central station, or the hills of Toscana, and our safety drive sistem SCMT !! only german enclish and american, why they esclude Italy?
Why do they exclude france for instance the very very famous TGV, why do they ignore swiss trains with BEAUTIFUL scenery, it's always the same country with boring trains
Absolutely Italy, France and Spain are completely neglected except for a lazy TGV line! All they cover is Germany, really? Out of all the nice European countries out there!!
I said to myself 18 months ago I wouldn't buy TSW (and now this patch) UNTIL there was a route editor. It was promised and promised and demo'd and promised.. until now I've lost any faith I had left in DTG to the point I'm not longer buying DLC for TS. I've been a loyal customer since almost day 1 but they've now lost me as a customer.
@@mrleanbean401 I agree, the more train simulation the merrier - but doesn't it feel a bit hubristic for a company that has struggled to run Train Simulator alone for years to suddenly try and branch into the console sphere not once but twice? They should have just updated TSW and added this stuff to that. All of these features are a major update, but not a whole new game.
@@lordbrit4630 I agree they should put a overhaul in a new update in tsw1 but they can't due to the games engine called simugraph™ not having the right updates for the overhaul.
This was beautifully done. I wholeheartedly agree. They are very slapdash with their DLC. Even now they’re releasing routes that are incomplete. Even now they have old routes that still need work (LIRR for example). I will definitely not be buying any more routes/locos until I feel they are releasing DLC that doesn’t need major updates to make them playable.
Finally a British video, that is honest and fair. They need to go back to the drawing board, it is clear that they bit off more than they can chew, when they thought of creating TSW. Love the vid👍
Train Sim World 2 looks exactly the same to me as TSW from the images and why do they make you rebuy DLC you already owned like Cal Train Corridor in TSW why do I need to re buy the same thing? TSW 2 should've been a free upgrade like Railworks does with Train Sim.
@Aero Mexican the main reason DTG made Train Sim World 2 was to add newer and better stuff in the future such as steam locomotives, multiplayer, longer routes, better game play, better graphics, and more! They said they couldn't add all of this kind of stuff to TSW because DTG wants to "advance the engine, evolve SimuGraph (Dovetail's own physics engine that powers Train Sim World."
@@atent5124 That was the TGV in the speed test which was the TGV V150 (Idk what its called). Normal TGVs go only 320 kmh. So dont say TGV go 500 kmh because that is a different type of TGV used in a speed test.
@@atent5124 The fastest train in europe is still the TGV V150, howvere that isnt a actual operating passenger train. The operating TGVs which transport people in France have a top speed of 320 km/h. The fastest trains in europe are the ones in italy, sadly they are only allowed to go up to 250 km/h on most lines. The train which is allowed to travel the fastest is the ICE 3, they are allowed to go up to 330 km/h on some lines, and the top speed of the train is 350 km/h shown in the speed test (The normal passenger ICE 3 operating in germany now was used in the speed test)
It’s fun, graphics are nice and sounds are epic however the 1972 tube train is weird to drive. I had it suddenly loose power and come to a dead stop randomly and no way of finding out how it happened. Very frustrating. Have restarted the same level 3 times
its nearly the same as tsw 2020, plus everything could have been made in tsw 2020, its just a cash grab to sell nearly the same game but with features which can be added to tsw 2020
I’ve been dealing with real trains and even 1/8 scale trains and I’m realizing that TSW has awful physics and gameplay when coming to American content. Like no multiplayer, no working EDOT, slack is just weird, the air breaks fill with air way to fast, hooking up and unhooking cars is very dull with no airflow valve and can’t play with the hoses, and the brake pistons don’t even move on the cars when the breaks are applied. Plus they are at absurd prices for a okay game. I’d expect everything I mentioned to be in the game for $30. Those are things that just make me shake my head and I’ve got nothing else because I play on console and that’s all I got. Come on DTG.
Okay you’re missing a lot of stuff. The game is not on Unity, it’s in Unreal. Get your facts right before yelling at them. If you look at the beauty of TSW, it is much more difficult to make routes. They have to use three different game engines, Unreal, SimuGraph (their in-house physics and locomotives engine), and Autodesk GameWare ScaleForm for the scenery. With TSW 2, we get our old routes, fully optimized and redone for FREE, a livery designer and downloader, possibly multiplayer is on the roadmap, and for the console players, CSX Heavy Haul, something we’ve been asking for. Xbox players also get the game again for free on the Series X. I’m not a Dovetail ambassador in disguise, but i want to appreciate their hard work instead of dissing it. they probably charge a lot for the expansions because they are a small company (not a large studio like Ubisoft, Activision, Vivendi) and they have to pay their employees somehow. They probably would not charge as much if they had more products to sell, but all they have is Train Simulator and Train Sim World. TSW 2 will much likely be a lot better than TSW 1, just like Destiny 2 was a lot better than Destiny 1. I believe that if we all just chill they can deliver a good product. They can’t give us everything we want, so maybe those boyos who keep whining can chill for a second and realize that game design is a process
@@haydonsheard2168 they should add some routes from other countries, not ongly germany-uk-usa... there are other countries too... Spain, Italy,Austria, Northen europe....
Yeah, I got banned from the steam community for disagreeing with their whole business model, which is release the same thing more than once and charge you full price. Instead of making TSW better, abandon it, use the software to "create a new version" (AKA add features people have been asking for for years and call it a new game), make you pay for it again. Minimal effort, maximum gains. Gotta love it. DTG hates me on a deeper level because I don't put up with their shit and I have not allowed them to push me around for a long time. I have literally just given in and bought TSW2 for the fuck of it, but if I encounter things as bad as I'm expecting it's getting refunded.
Well keep in mind that tsw 2 is £24.99 jast like all the route dlcs so they’re are not making much more money in fact they are making 3 routes for the Price of 1 meaning losing out of a Wapping of £64.99 so how are they milking us?
@@Scottish_Transport_Explorer Consider the quality of what you're purchasing. Consider all the bugs and glitches. Consider every time they re-use the same model and throw another paint job on it just to sell it again without fixing or changing anything. Consider how many times they say they're going to add a feature then give up and say it's not worth it.
Today was supposed to be the release date of TSW 2. But thankfully DTG listened to the community about including all preserved collection in the scenario planner and livery designer. So it was pushed back to August 20th. Kudos goes to you DTG.
@@hi.7330 If they released a game that wasn't essentially a patch for TSW and actually kept their promises for multiplayer and customisation in TSW rather than charging us another 25 quid for it, I wouldn't. Enjoy getting milked, brain dead cash cow lol. It's not my money you're wasting so I don't really care
@@hi.7330 it's literally not, they've abandoned TSW and that's it mate. The big money corporation raking it in from stupid railfans has all my sympathy, lolololol
I thought I'd revisit after a few months and 7 months later I see people regurgitating rote all of Dovetail's waffle justifying charging you for some fluff that could have been added to the game you already bought. Now all they are doing is remaking old TS1 routes but with less rolling stock. I read the announcement about steam coming but all it was was Paul Jackson waffling on about loving Pacers and Crewe in the mid 50's, What are they releasing? When is it likely to come? About that was nuttin. My guess is it'll be something they can bundle in with a "re-release" of West Somerset Railway so they don't have to interrupt the office quiz and go on the old maps site and read some research books and people will lap it up and lick Dovetail's boots to a mirror finish. It's still not getting a penny from me. Defend it all you want fanboys, but TS1 is the pinnacle of the genre and Open Rails keeps some of the best MSTS stuff alive. The DTG flywheel business model is poison and I refuse to enable it :)
The thing you said about just cutting out the whole tsw thing has one small problem. Did you even consider the console players? I have been wanting to play train simulator since 2012 but have never had a pc to run it on(only had console) and railworks has never been available on console and when i heard tsw was gonna be on console i was nearly jumping with joy. It may have it's flaws but i think the game is excellent and i also think the bakerloo line is a really good idea. Another thing is that dovetail said that tsw2 allows the development and eventual release of steam which has been one of my issues with tsw as it doesn't have anything for the steam era, not even a few on the west somerset railway. So i think the game is going in the right direction
They have murdered their own franchise with greed. The player base of TSW was much reduced over TS Classic, this decision now means they are going to massively reduce their already split and reduced player base. Same goes for consoles, who is going to buy another game for dying consoles, the new ones are due for release this Winter whereby the console player base I guarantee you will be forced to buy it yet again to use it on PS5 or whatever while it dies a death on PC. The jab at the community who kept that dog of a piece of software RailWorks going for a fooking decade and meant DTG was in the position to try this is frankly insulting. Then theres the we're looking at UE5 bit in the next few years, prepare for TSW3 and all this new fluff to die too, never buying another sim off DTG again.
Richard Pearson They’re a small studio they’re just trying to pay their employees and put food on the table. Making a product like this is very expensive because they literally have to not only pay their employees, but also pay licensing fees for Unreal and Autodesk. We won’t have to buy it again on PS5 and Series X because both consoles are (PS5 claims, but Xbox has confirmed) doing full optimization for PS4 and XB1 games. Just chill, i own a small studio and we have been developing a game for 4 years, and still haven’t gotten the gameplay right. Game design is a process
I 100% agree with you. I too wont be buying TSW2 as I also feel it's just a cash grab. No reason why it couldn't have been an upgrade for TSW 2020 or if they wanted money so bad then they could've made it a paid dlc for TSW 2020 as I don't feel it was deserving of it being it's own title.
DTG is one of the worst game devs in terms of pricing and customer satisfaction. They only care about money! They r like the apple of game devs😂. They make EA look like non profit organization. 😂
I agreed because like the Amtrak Eastern Corridor it says Boston to Washington and we don't even go there we get off at Newark like the job is not finished same thing with Long Island Railroad any input Far Rockaway in here is like what are you doing I cannot finish the project I mean put it on a patch or something because I'm tired of buying DLC you already bought the whole damn game I think this company just greedy for money instead work on a project make it better now you want us to buy train Sim World 2 do all of the favor put that s*** on a patch and give it to us my damn it's not the one with DLC what you going to start getting tied to buy and s*** if it's not worth it.👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Personally I'm glad i bought TSW2 and there's enough there to warrant 24.99. Improved fidelity up to 4k, optimised to run at a good frame rate, and bring over your existing TSW collection. Not fussed about livery creator or scenario creator I just want to drive trains. But I am confused why it exists, Train Simulator 2020 seems to have more content but it doesn't quite match the visuals. As a consumer it would be better to have one game with more content
They are the laziest game company I've ever seen. They really don't care, they just push how far they can go with this. I hope train sim 2 flops so that they have to evaluate their choices and realize how cheap and nasty they have been.
Lol I’m still playing plain-old Train Simulator. The graphics look like they’re from 2009 and there are still some of the same bugs that have been there for God knows how long. Instead of putting out substandard DLC every year, they need to take a break for a couple years and go back and update the core game engine. That game is super outdated and they should just drop it.
Also, the Bakerloo Line will be a massive fail, half of it is darkness with the odd station, then it emerges at Queens Park where it joins with A. The Watford DC lines (they won't add the Capitalstar to represent this :) ) and B. The bloody busiest and most diverse rolling stock wise mainline in the UK, The WCML. So you'll basically drive next to a dead 4 track plus mainline for half the journey and in darkness for the second half. Why do people want this? It's going to suck.
I've surprised myself how angry this has made me but the German route too, Cologne to Aachen, 1. Its over in less than 30 mins each way 2. The route in real life is like the WCML, untold diversity in rolling stock that will never get onto the sim route, so why bother. It is also going to suck. As for Sandpatch, well its OK but its not new. It is easily the most complete bit of content in terms of the scenarios having somewhat of a build up to full fledged main line runs, the radio chatter etc... I dont care how cheap or otherwise TSW2 is, It will not get anywhere near my hard disk.
Disagree, mainly. Having said that, I’m already unhappy losing all my TS games (ten years worth of payware) to start again on TSW2. If the editor was great, I’d still buy it. Maybe. Basically I can’t put it into words as well as you 😂
Fully agree with your speculations even as the game was released a few days ago. So sad to see this pos after spending so much money on a half-ass game and it's DLCs
They don't want or they can't understand that if 3 people buy a DLC (Route Addon) for 15 € (if it ever come to a regualr Price for Route DLC) than 1 People for 30 € they will make more money. I will never buy a DLC for TSW2 at full price and never in Pre-sales. The pricing policy of DTG is a disaster...
I like the TSW series, I still prefer the og train sim because of the content available but the more in depth flight sim style of complexity TSW offers is great HOWEVER TSW2 should have been a free upgrade to those who already own TSW2020, no ifs or buts, its an almost identical version of the game which offers little new, but stops people who have TSW from enjoying newer dlc as TSW has been forgotten
@@James-gc8bv it's not that i didn't think it would be fun that annoyed me. it's the fact that after buying TSW, no less than a year later i have to buy a new game which changes very little.
This video is more of a joke than the game. Maybe next time actually speak about the game you are supposed to be convincing us is a joke (haha) p.s. i could make a better video than this in my sleep
Jeeze I've been scouring the internet looking for the difference between these two games as I was thinking of buying it then realized I was looking at two separate dlcs and games Glad I finally got a dang answer, and as much as this sort of thing im walking into sucks it does let me know witch is the currently being focused on Thank you
@@lordbrit4630 Last train game I played was Trainstation back on Facebook/phone app and I played that for....idk how many years off and on. Been on a simulator kick and bought ATS a while ago, been in love with the Snowrunner series, and wanted to find something for my old flame the Disael Locomotive and found these two on the Spring Sale on PSN and was poking about them I'm likely to be getting the "Collectors Edition" as I did the math and I'd be saving $50-$55 dollars Any other DLCs you'd recommend as im looking at these and this is definitely a game id be choosy on the dlcs instead of my normal procedure of "Shut up and take my money" I do with a good chunk of game
@@CrazyDash9 they said it would come for TSW. Been waiting... Oh wait, they dropped those plans and are adding them to TSW2? Guess I should drop more money and hope they get off their fucking ass and develop for that. Oh wait.
I got this game because I wanted a train sim and I never got the first one. After looking into the history though I have to say that this was a ridiculous move by them and one I wouldn't be happy with if I was a hard-core fan, Have to say I'm loving the game though haha.
Rubbish video I play train sim world to and tsw 2 has already been released, yes it could have been added in an update but dovetail are trying to rebuild train simulator in a more fun realistic way and I don't think there is any problem with that tsw Also let's you gave more freedom than train simulator and it is an entirely different game personally I think train simulator is rubbish it's not realistic and all you can do is sit in the cab in tsw it allows you to get out of trains and explore stations so it is a much better game
@@___-000 Well keep in mind that tsw 2 is £24.99 jast like all the route dlcs so they’re are not making much more money in fact they are making 3 routes for the Price of 1 meaning losing out of a Wapping of £64.99 so how are they milking us?
@@Scottish_Transport_Explorer but if the game is £24.99 then why aren't the route dlcs £8.99? Its not worth buying Dlcs for £24. Plus who TF WOULD actually pay £64.99 for any game!? Like just think about it.
Train Sim World 2 is like a tech demo that you pay for. And then you have to pay even more for content. The train simulation space is definitely in need of a new player.
This aged like wine, huh?
Train fans: *Exist*
Dovetail: I can Milk you
Lol I live near their studio
Shut up
Hahahaha
That made me laugh
@@GoldenOne131 relax dovetail fanboy its just a joke lol
Let's be honest DTG is just a scummy company that uses DLC to milk the living hell out of its consumers. The only reason why DTG is getting away with this is primarily the fan base. A study from 2015 stated DTG had made over 4,000 USD from DLC content. It's not DLC content anymore when you just send out random buggy content and it's more than 4,000 USD. If someday in the future another company begins to make TS games that are more consumer friendly. DTG will lose profits. All in all DTG just does not really care about what they are doing. The only way this can be fixed is if we the consumers speak out by voicing our concerns and complaints. DTG should be smart and make the cost for TSW 2 $10-15 if you owned the previous game, and $30 if not. This concept of making the same game annually is just stupid and scummy. My message: DTG FIX YOUR NASTY AND DIRTY ACTS AND PROVE THAT YOU CAN BE A GREAT COMPANY. DTG is starting to remind me of EA.
You think dovetail are bad😂, you clearly haven't had of rockstar or EA.
@@hi.7330 Did I ever say I have not heard of them? NO. Also Rockstar Games is the development team, Take Two interactive is the scummy publishers of the franchise. But DTG does NOT have loot boxes or micro transactions which I do appreciate.
Keep in mind this company ALSO makes money off of FSX Steam Edition.....
Every company that makes games is turning into EA. It took them 20 yrs but the 1% has finally invaded the Industry.. and this is what the Elites do, they take something beloved, squeeze it dry until everyone hates it, scrap it and move on. The Greed won't end until Video games stop getting made. Welcome to Hell.
It's just a cashgrab. Trainz has had free content, long routes, bug free experiences and repainting abilities since 2001. Ten years later and these are apparently luxuries.
But Trainz is only for PC
@@THE_IRON_HORSE Nope. Available for Android and mobile since 2012.
@@griffinrails I mean like Xbox and PS4 who play a real train sim on mobile and you might see some but most are on real console
Dovetail Games: *put a year of effort into steam locos*
This guy “absolute joke!”
The company has struck gold by releasing the same content multiple times on near identical platforms. People need to stop rewarding this blatant blood sucking.
this gives me enough motivation to ask Microsoft games to remake their train sim like they did with MSFS
Class 321 RTX edition lol
I feel like all this stuff could have been added in an update
Well they are bringing a whole new engine so the game will look better and hopefully run better, you can't add a new engine to a game you need to make a new game, i do get where you are coming from though, I'm still gonna buy because of livery and scenario stuff since that isn't on Xbox idk about the pc and ps4 land
Spooni Boi What engine?
Unreal Engine 5 ain’t coming till 2021
Why would they give 3 routes out for free? Costs money to license and make those routes.
@@Thorpe £5 update lmao
Tsw2 looks good and that's about it. Between the bugs, limited freedom, short routes, lack of 3rd party content, no steam and not bringing Northeast Corridor to preserved collection it still feels unpolished. This game has potential but is held back by its limitations and greed. Makes me miss the days of MSTS.
Dovetail Games knows very well how low the bar is set for pleasing ChooChoo Train People. Raise hell like Flight Sim fans do, and you'll see a better product. (Passengers walking through walls put me off for good).
Just pretend the passengers walking through walls are Hogwarts students trying to get to their train 🤣
No world editor promised like 2-3 years ago - no money from me.
thats the scenario planner
@@t6vmmy275 it's not.
@@t6vmmy275 that's a route editor the world editor is meant to be a building mode making your own routes/maps.
Yes, I have seen the Train Sim World 3 trailer.
All I can say is told you so
Have you seen Train Sim World 4 trailer now?
@@Richpeo LMAO
Can't wait for train sim world 3
LOL
Same
Train sim world 2022 first
Lol
The Problem with the Gaming Industry = Consumers like you.
Damn, the fanboying in this comments section is nearing star citizen levels of hysteria
I have SC and I'd be lying if I said SC fans don't realize it's bad. I have no idea who you're talking about
Whatever happened to steam engines and a free drive without the interruptions of running red lights.
Steam engines will be possible and should be coming now thanks to what they've worked on under the hood in TSW2, unfortunately the video author here forgot to look up a few of these important facts.
Slim Gaming it was already fucking possible but they didn't put in the work to do it.
They can't do it in Train SIM world 2020 because of software limitations, but now Train SIM world 2 is coming with software upgrades they can now work on implementing things they couldn't in Train SIM world 2020
@@haydonsheard2168 Except I've worked with Unreal Engine and upgraded a game I'm working on to the better Unreal engine. I didn't have to make an entirely new game, they didn't either. They Chose to rip us off with more $20-30 DLC that doesn't add enough in the first base, and they chose to create a whole new game based off the other one with minimal amounts of new content. Is it worth it? No, no not yet.
@@itzzheniahere6824 I don't doubt it could or couldn't if they found it easier to create a whole new game based on exactly the same stuff then added new features then I support them 100%.
I play on Xbox One s and since the new version was released i've had way better performance out of it compared to TSW 2020. They may or may not be as skilled as you are and have a lot more people doing lots of different things that they all get paid to do. I only paid for the base game because I already have most of the routes in the preserved collection so only have download for free the routes I already have and purchase the ones I don't have.
The images in the game are from Train Simulator (not Train Sim World 2). It's not even the same graphics engine. Between the 2 games, graphically this has nothing to do with it. Ditto for optimization and development.
Yes, they have economic policy, like all businesses. It's a game for a more specialized clientele unlike many games, so reduced market. But DTG makes discounts every week, you can buy DLC from -30 to -60% (just wait). As a result, they do not have the same resources as Electronic Arts, for example.
Every day, DTG is live with its community to answer questions, including the Project Manager "Train Sim World". Do you know a lot of game editors who do this?
We (and I too) are always asking DTG for more: more locomotives, more lines, more functionality, more optimization, more, more...
Train Sim World 2 is not even out (it comes out in August) as you criticize it.
So yes, the big fashion on the Internet is to denigrate for everything and nothing, "without ever putting his identity". Personally, when I have a problem with DTG, I contact them directly and I have never had any problems. And once the game came out, if it no longer met my requirements or desires, I will no longer buy the DLCs but I would not denigrate it. What for? Because there are employees behind who do their jobs. But also, I would remember the many hours of play I had fun.
PS: I don't work for DTG (easily verifiable on the Internet ).
On which basis you say that is not the same graphics engine? It is an UPDATED version of Unreal engine... So yes, it is a new VERSION of the engine. I don't mind buy a new version; I just don't think that ask me to pay again not only for fixes and updates that were supposed to be included in TSW, but for a new set of DLC that should work in TSW (as the TSW DLC should work in TSW2), and even make me think like DTG hasn't been doing this since 2009, then it is a bit pretentious :)
@Preston They dont sign up to get criticised, but criticism most certainly comes with the territory.
Im splitting hairs, I know.
I agree with you about the greed.
There constantly pushing to see how much leverage they have, customers roll over everytime.
Companies know they will be insulted in reviews but the pay off is worth it for them.
We need solidarity amongst gamers and we need to put the foot down.
Later bud.
@Preston The game is not bad if you consider it is fundamentally the same game as TSW, with minimal changes, priced at lower price.
It is like a phone company wrapping the old phone in a new shell, sell it with a different name at lower price. People that didn't buy the same phone before, see value in it; while the others that forked full price for the phone, when it came out years before, don't see any reason to consider that a good value, since it won't add much to their current experience.
Don't mistake what you like with what is objectively good or bad; our personal preferences should not dictate how we evaluate a product.
The world's most expensive PATCH.
Madden 21: are you challenging me?
@@mrbreadcrumb Fifa since and Wwe games since 2015
would you rather pay £74.97 for all 3 routes sepratly or get 3 routes for £24.99
@@WCML730 thats my way of seeing it positive
dude the pre-order costs like 45 USD, thats the fucking deluxe edition!
This video has aged extremely well considering there is now a train sim 3. Please God do a video on that one.
You're far too kind
But u can't lie the bakerloo is very exiting and that's the bug in the first game not the 2nd one
williamx xxx I wouldn’t get to excited about London Underground it will be a repeat of Southern Trains Didn’t make the use of the license. Only ever released 1 train and that’s it
@@aaronthompson1354 shut up
Jamie wtf
They should have gone with the Sub surface lines instead. If they want, they can even use the A stock/D stock/C stock. Deep level tubes is just a big no for TSW
@Leon Farthing shut up
Trailers don’t define gameplay
I totally agree with him At end of the day there are loads of bugs in this game and you know they could’ve easily added the features of trains in the 2 to the current game instead of having to buy a total new game
Dovetail Games added the Cologne Route and the ICE 3 from Train Simulator 2020 in tsw2.
Bakerloo line connecting with Great western express is a ridiculous request as the station that the Bakerloo line stops at requires you to go up some escalators, along a corridor, along another corridor, up some stairs and then across the street to get to the mainline station, the HAC and circle toward hammersmith are the tube trains that stop inside the mainline station
They added ice slippery rails and more
Didn't they say they added that in an update? And I agree, Bakerloo has got me sweating like a kid in a candy shop - but the attitude of DTG recently has been appalling. We could quite easily have all of this stuff in TSW2020 with an update
@@lordbrit4630 I could not agree more, but too many of they're routes are buggy. I think they will struggle to implement all the signals on the line, too many for DTG to do. We will all be commiting SPAD's, I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think I am. The more they update stuff, the more problems they make.😕
They should stop with the names. TSW, TSW pack 2. TSW pack 3 would be better since I don’t see a big enough difference to need to pay for a new game
Also TSW 1 OR TSW 2020 was SUPPOSED to be the next generation in train simulation. All that is lies. DTG has huge potential but when in the wrong hands things will collapse. I watched a stream with Matt. He did not even care or show any emotions about the negative comments. We all fail to certain degrees but usually we learn and take action from these mistakes. Something of which DTG has not learned and will inevitably fail. Tell me what you think.
DTG doesn't have unlimited resources, they can't do everything at once.
UTA Amtrak Yet they don’t take advantage of the recourses they DO have. Most of the routes are really over priced. Like Rapid transit.
@@atent5124 What "recourses", also you can find routes like Rapid Transit on sale all the time.
UTA Amtrak I don’t know what recourses they have. All I am saying is, they don’t make the most of what they are capable of doing.
@@atent5124 How do you know, you don't work for them. You don't know how meny employees they have. See you have no right to judge judge them. And I 100% agree with DuckTales response. If you don't want it you don't have to F-ing buy it.
I would have liked if they did New York to Washington D.C for the NEC. Newark liberty to New Rochelle is not that far and you don’t even reach the trains maximum speed. The fastest that I ever reached as 85 mph which was for only a minute or two
NEC is a joke, plain and simple
It would be nice if Train Sim World had lines more than 40 miles long. They've obviously made it with an eye on the console market, and given that their MD is a former EA Man, they're taking elements from the sports franchises (a regular engine update packaged as a new game) and from the Sims (DLC packs that cost almost as much as the game), but because there's no competition know they have their customers over a barrel. Especially if you're on XBox, when there's rarely a discount of more than a couple of quid. I reported some bugs to their technical support and their answer was ostensibly "get a more modern XBox"
that's actually incredible
I totally agree with you they could’ve easily added the new features to with the new game to the old one and just fix the bugs but no they’re too greedy and they want the money for the new game which I will not be given them
Well we got the Brighton mainline coming and that’s 50 miles long
Dovetail has to be the worst company I have ever known about. I looked at reviews from people who worked for them and the top comment said the company had poor management "they really don't know what they are doing most of the time". Which I think really shows in the latest releases. They are lazy and want to get around problems without facing them. Issue is that they are basically the only company that develops up to date and frequent train simulator games which leaves no other competitors to move to. I believe if there was another company selling train simulations, Dovetail would be gone as no one would bother with there lazy choices anymore.
This video is a bit of a joke to be fair.
1st the title reads "TSW2 IS a Joke" then the author contradicts himself and says "It FEELS like a joke" Not the same thing, I know I'm what did he call it, "nit picking"
Then he goes on about Train Sim, not Train Sim World and then follows up with what he thinks is true about TSW2 and not with actual facts about TSW2.
His belief is anyone can make this because it's made in Unity, when in fact it's made in the Unreal Engine a totally different game engine, and everyone who has DLC for TSW be rest assured, it will work with TSW2.
Also he say's that Dovetail have brought out a lot of buggy and bad dlc's, but then calls them the most adept train sim company, make up your mind, stop sitting on the fence, you are not a CAT!
He also says if it's priced at over £5 he won't buy it, you'll be missed as the price (another fact that you could have looked up as it has been released) is £24.99. I for one would be happy to support Dovetail employees so that they can feed their families in these rough times. But you stay with you mislead lorals...
There are a lot of things under the hood that have also been changed so that we'll finally be able to get steam engines, maybe even multiplayer later on, although they have confirmed this is somewhat of a lesser priority. You make out it's just livery's you can now change, there is a scenario planner also to mention just one more thing, maybe do a little more homework, or speak to a representative at Dovetail before making what can only be construed as an attempt to CLICK BAIT and get subscribers...
Like the rest of the train sim game money sink community, you appear to be an autistic retard with no ability to reason properly.
"feels like" and "is" are not mutually exclusive, retard
i don't give a shit what engine it's in, it's not worth another £25, retard
train simulator actually used to be well supported and enjoyable, which is why I am saying DTG are likely the most adept - nonetheless their recent actions have proven they are only interested in making money, retard
maybe if you actually worked hard for your money like I do you'd rather not piss it away on lacklustre patches they charge £25 quid for, retard
they made all of these promises that you are eluding to with TSW and they never came through with them, retard
I could have made a video to make this point, but unlike you I actually have a job, academic studies and real life friends, and those things are far more important to me than views to extend the tip of my youtube cock. If I wanted subscribers, I could buy them, like you have. Nice view to subscriber ratio, it really shows that you must make really good content, lol
P.S. When I have some free time I'm gonna make a video that will make you cry... (should I put retard at the end of the sentence again or am I overdoing it? maybe if i do the same thing 1300 times it might mean it's really good) xxx
Alcibiades Hey listen mate, just face it this video is a waste of time no one cares what you think about the new game. And there’s no need to call folk retards when clearly your the uneducated one in this.
@@lordbrit4630 calling DTG supporters retards is just a step to far your exactly what other commenters have said just a waste of space just uploading clickbait videos thinking it will get you subcribers
@@borderstrains7985 well said someone had say that
In my opinion the bakerloo line is rushed, for example i found a barrier hanging over the tracks at one of the stations that the train will just clip through
The fact that bugs that existed when the game was released are still present says a lot. Even some dlc still have bugs that made it into tsw3.
You have said what I was thinking, I'm glad that some issues about DTG are being expressed, and I hope that they can change their attitude.
I am happy to pay £24.99 for 3 routes I don't own rather than £24.99 each.
Half of the buildings don't even have any collision, you can walk out of bounds almost anywhere too hahaha
4 years later, They've dropped TSW4 and added a 5
Everything is overpriced for what you get already. But buying the same game twice just a punch to the gut.
Hello there
General Kenobi
Well here is the thing, with the ubder the hood improvements, including the change to a newer unreal engin version, I think ia lot of oeople will stop you when you call it the same game, well tea it’s the same game, in the same way rhat ms flight sim95,98,2000,X was and dtg is a bit smaller than ms, personally I’lll hold my gudement untill we se a bit more actual fameplay, that actually demonstrates the new upgrades better
There is no new engine... it is just the same old Unreal Engine 4
AviaTent YT hmm I seam to remember them saying that they went to a new engine revision n the 4x series, so you are partly right
Good lad, speak your mind & DO NOT let the fan boys stop you from doing so.
Thank you 😊
Really Sim UK? He's SHAMING the game like it's nothing and needs to be punished
@@GoldenOne131 damn he's SHAMING the game. Damn.. Very rude of him isn't it?
@@___-000 um stupid you're a month late I already found out why he made this video
@@GoldenOne131 since when did I care about being late
why cant they give train SIMULATOR an upgrade, its had the same old engine for 13 YEARS!!!!
Because doing that Would make all the DLC that came out for it Impossible to play and it would be super hard for the team to make it all work and what About all of the Community that made a lot of routes for free by using assets from the train sim they better off just make a new train simulator that is Jast like train simulator 2021
Ya but with the cost of it being around the same price of a DLC who’s complaining all your TSW2020 DLC are coming over
Ye agreed! Plus from what i understand they had a lot of trouble implementing things they wanted to implement in TSW1 for code reasons so i believe that is also partially what TSW2 is for.
When this video is more applicable to 2022 than the announcement of a new game, f**king joke.
First of all, those pics are nothing to do with TSW2 and secondly that is your problem that you have so many Class 43's not ours or Dovetail Games problem. And plus, there are more features in TSW2 to make it more realistic such as Livery Maker, Scenario Designer, Better graphics (even though TSW2020 had great graphics too) and just things they have added into the new sim that has made it to be a more realistic and a more enjoyable experience. We also did not have a scenario editor back in the TSW2020.
Yet is that worth 20-60 more dollars than the game you already pay for? If you look at some DLC for TSW in the first place, such as the Canadian National route. Which is honestly a big fat kick in your face, since most of it is trash. I won't go into details there, but apart from that, TSW 2 really should have a way to get the game with a free ticket, like Minecraft when Minecraft came out with the Microsoft version and used a different platform. Making a completely different game overall. This new TSW is truly a joke when you compare it to most game companies who (If they make a second game) usually spend more time on it, more effort on adding in tons of new things, and a more unique feel. It doesn't feel much different and honestly the graphics quality is worse is more than one aspect.
I bought TSW since they promised steam... Still waiting for it. Oh wait, they’re gonna do it for TSW2? 🤦♂️
It deleted my saved files and now I have to go through the horrible tutorial again
Are you kidding me? This video, IS A JOKE. Train Sim World 2 is NOT a joke. YOU ARE WRONG. I'm not kidding. This video you made WAS A FREAKING JOKE! Dovetail Games is amazing. I might will just say for MYSELF that I will love TSW2 for better quality graphics, a new zoom in and out control for Xbox one, PS4, and PC, new scenario planner, new livery designer, CSX heavy haul the route I always wanted to play on XBOX ONE, the new Shcnellfashrecke route, the new Bakerloo line route, and more. I'm talking about the whole game so DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT MAKING A VIDEO FULL OF LIES! I'm serious. I will love that game because of the zoom in and out controls even more than just that like a new and big experience I will have on CSX heavy haul because it's American and I am an American even though I don't see any CSX trains pass by here in Holland, Texas. It's me, BNSFgameplay. (XBOX ONE)
Im staying neutral, but you do make excellent points, about various buggy content
Just a small correction it's actually running in the Unreal engine but good video btw 👍
when Italian line? we have a lot of interesting loco, wonderfull panorama, think about Rome , Milano central station, or the hills of Toscana, and our safety drive sistem SCMT !! only german enclish and american, why they esclude Italy?
Why do they exclude france for instance the very very famous TGV, why do they ignore swiss trains with BEAUTIFUL scenery, it's always the same country with boring trains
Frecciarossa ETR500... they need to put that legend in the game!
Because then they would have to take the time to make more track milage.
Absolutely Italy, France and Spain are completely neglected except for a lazy TGV line! All they cover is Germany, really? Out of all the nice European countries out there!!
@@tobiasb6768 tgv is in tsw
I said to myself 18 months ago I wouldn't buy TSW (and now this patch) UNTIL there was a route editor. It was promised and promised and demo'd and promised.. until now I've lost any faith I had left in DTG to the point I'm not longer buying DLC for TS. I've been a loyal customer since almost day 1 but they've now lost me as a customer.
Same here.
They need to make Train simulator for consoles not just PC
Why? We have a perfectly functional set up on PC, and I've found the console versions of TSW just don't offer the same immersion
@@lordbrit4630 so everyone can enjoy the game it would bring a lot of customers and cash for the company.
@@mrleanbean401 I agree, the more train simulation the merrier - but doesn't it feel a bit hubristic for a company that has struggled to run Train Simulator alone for years to suddenly try and branch into the console sphere not once but twice? They should have just updated TSW and added this stuff to that. All of these features are a major update, but not a whole new game.
@@lordbrit4630 I agree they should put a overhaul in a new update in tsw1 but they can't due to the games engine called simugraph™ not having the right updates for the overhaul.
As you stated in your video
This was beautifully done. I wholeheartedly agree. They are very slapdash with their DLC. Even now they’re releasing routes that are incomplete. Even now they have old routes that still need work (LIRR for example). I will definitely not be buying any more routes/locos until I feel they are releasing DLC that doesn’t need major updates to make them playable.
Finally a British video, that is honest and fair. They need to go back to the drawing board, it is clear that they bit off more than they can chew, when they thought of creating TSW. Love the vid👍
Ok, I get that your having an opinion but why tf would you team up WITH HIM
i fucking love that i've enjoyed an endorsement from the UKCP. I'm a paying member of a party I imagine they don't like lmao
@@lordbrit4630 I love this comment 😂
@@lordbrit4630
Lol u said a bad word
@@LachlanKellett because he can there’s nothing wrong with that
This guy is ungreatful theres alot of new things it just came out seriously who is this guy
True
Train Sim World 2 looks exactly the same to me as TSW from the images and why do they make you rebuy DLC you already owned like Cal Train Corridor in TSW why do I need to re buy the same thing? TSW 2 should've been a free upgrade like Railworks does with Train Sim.
@@Bryce_TBS_Films you don't.
@Aero Mexican the main reason DTG made Train Sim World 2 was to add newer and better stuff in the future such as steam locomotives, multiplayer, longer routes, better game play, better graphics, and more! They said they couldn't add all of this kind of stuff to TSW because DTG wants to "advance the engine, evolve SimuGraph (Dovetail's own physics engine that powers Train Sim World."
live.dovetailgames.com/live/train-sim-world/about-trainsimworld#faq-23
i bought it....good improvement....worth it !
They should have put TGV to Paris to London
That's a good idea the Eurostar.
Eurostar goes 320kmh. Tgv goes 500+kmh
@@atent5124 That was the TGV in the speed test which was the TGV V150 (Idk what its called). Normal TGVs go only 320 kmh. So dont say TGV go 500 kmh because that is a different type of TGV used in a speed test.
AnimationNKDH Yeah ur right. Plus it won’t make a difference since the operating speed is only 100mph for more then half the entire journey
@@atent5124 The fastest train in europe is still the TGV V150, howvere that isnt a actual operating passenger train. The operating TGVs which transport people in France have a top speed of 320 km/h. The fastest trains in europe are the ones in italy, sadly they are only allowed to go up to 250 km/h on most lines. The train which is allowed to travel the fastest is the ICE 3, they are allowed to go up to 330 km/h on some lines, and the top speed of the train is 350 km/h shown in the speed test (The normal passenger ICE 3 operating in germany now was used in the speed test)
Ur a joke man, in my opinion it’s a brilliant game. I have the game, there are some bugs but Dovetail Games said they are fixing those bugs rn.
It’s fun, graphics are nice and sounds are epic however the 1972 tube train is weird to drive. I had it suddenly loose power and come to a dead stop randomly and no way of finding out how it happened. Very frustrating. Have restarted the same level 3 times
its nearly the same as tsw 2020, plus everything could have been made in tsw 2020, its just a cash grab to sell nearly the same game but with features which can be added to tsw 2020
They said they were fixing those bugs 11 months ago.
You don't strike me as a very critical thinker.
Agreed with you I love the game too
I’ve been dealing with real trains and even 1/8 scale trains and I’m realizing that TSW has awful physics and gameplay when coming to American content. Like no multiplayer, no working EDOT, slack is just weird, the air breaks fill with air way to fast, hooking up and unhooking cars is very dull with no airflow valve and can’t play with the hoses, and the brake pistons don’t even move on the cars when the breaks are applied. Plus they are at absurd prices for a okay game. I’d expect everything I mentioned to be in the game for $30. Those are things that just make me shake my head and I’ve got nothing else because I play on console and that’s all I got. Come on DTG.
Okay you’re missing a lot of stuff. The game is not on Unity, it’s in Unreal. Get your facts right before yelling at them. If you look at the beauty of TSW, it is much more difficult to make routes. They have to use three different game engines, Unreal, SimuGraph (their in-house physics and locomotives engine), and Autodesk GameWare ScaleForm for the scenery. With TSW 2, we get our old routes, fully optimized and redone for FREE, a livery designer and downloader, possibly multiplayer is on the roadmap, and for the console players, CSX Heavy Haul, something we’ve been asking for. Xbox players also get the game again for free on the Series X. I’m not a Dovetail ambassador in disguise, but i want to appreciate their hard work instead of dissing it. they probably charge a lot for the expansions because they are a small company (not a large studio like Ubisoft, Activision, Vivendi) and they have to pay their employees somehow. They probably would not charge as much if they had more products to sell, but all they have is Train Simulator and Train Sim World. TSW 2 will much likely be a lot better than TSW 1, just like Destiny 2 was a lot better than Destiny 1. I believe that if we all just chill they can deliver a good product. They can’t give us everything we want, so maybe those boyos who keep whining can chill for a second and realize that game design is a process
Beside the broken GE engines in the game, I like it.
Tbh I’m only hyped because of the bakerloo line. Do you think they would add another tube line DLC? Hope so
They should add more British routes and trains tbh I haven't see a southeast or LNER or even a Scottish route yet that be cool for me anyways
@@haydonsheard2168 well we got a Scottish route now
@@haydonsheard2168 they should add some routes from other countries, not ongly germany-uk-usa... there are other countries too... Spain, Italy,Austria, Northen europe....
Yeah, I got banned from the steam community for disagreeing with their whole business model, which is release the same thing more than once and charge you full price. Instead of making TSW better, abandon it, use the software to "create a new version" (AKA add features people have been asking for for years and call it a new game), make you pay for it again. Minimal effort, maximum gains. Gotta love it.
DTG hates me on a deeper level because I don't put up with their shit and I have not allowed them to push me around for a long time.
I have literally just given in and bought TSW2 for the fuck of it, but if I encounter things as bad as I'm expecting it's getting refunded.
Well keep in mind that tsw 2 is £24.99 jast like all the route dlcs so they’re are not making much more money in fact they are making 3 routes for the Price of 1 meaning losing out of a Wapping of £64.99 so how are they milking us?
@@Scottish_Transport_Explorer Consider the quality of what you're purchasing. Consider all the bugs and glitches. Consider every time they re-use the same model and throw another paint job on it just to sell it again without fixing or changing anything. Consider how many times they say they're going to add a feature then give up and say it's not worth it.
Today was supposed to be the release date of TSW 2. But thankfully DTG listened to the community about including all preserved collection in the scenario planner and livery designer. So it was pushed back to August 20th. Kudos goes to you DTG.
and despite that, the game remains, a joke
@@hi.7330 If they released a game that wasn't essentially a patch for TSW and actually kept their promises for multiplayer and customisation in TSW rather than charging us another 25 quid for it, I wouldn't. Enjoy getting milked, brain dead cash cow lol. It's not my money you're wasting so I don't really care
@@hi.7330 it's literally not, they've abandoned TSW and that's it mate. The big money corporation raking it in from stupid railfans has all my sympathy, lolololol
@@hi.7330 You have the right idea, he just won't stop being a bi**h like most of the stuff is not right i dunno why people listen to him
@@lordbrit4630 and now your arguing with the viewers totally did not expect that, just why?
I thought I'd revisit after a few months and 7 months later I see people regurgitating rote all of Dovetail's waffle justifying charging you for some fluff that could have been added to the game you already bought. Now all they are doing is remaking old TS1 routes but with less rolling stock. I read the announcement about steam coming but all it was was Paul Jackson waffling on about loving Pacers and Crewe in the mid 50's, What are they releasing? When is it likely to come? About that was nuttin. My guess is it'll be something they can bundle in with a "re-release" of West Somerset Railway so they don't have to interrupt the office quiz and go on the old maps site and read some research books and people will lap it up and lick Dovetail's boots to a mirror finish. It's still not getting a penny from me. Defend it all you want fanboys, but TS1 is the pinnacle of the genre and Open Rails keeps some of the best MSTS stuff alive. The DTG flywheel business model is poison and I refuse to enable it :)
you're god damn right
The thing you said about just cutting out the whole tsw thing has one small problem. Did you even consider the console players? I have been wanting to play train simulator since 2012 but have never had a pc to run it on(only had console) and railworks has never been available on console and when i heard tsw was gonna be on console i was nearly jumping with joy. It may have it's flaws but i think the game is excellent and i also think the bakerloo line is a really good idea. Another thing is that dovetail said that tsw2 allows the development and eventual release of steam which has been one of my issues with tsw as it doesn't have anything for the steam era, not even a few on the west somerset railway. So i think the game is going in the right direction
They never think of the console players do they.
@@idonotlikeboats9328 yea they do
Jamie no, they basically don’t. It is buggy on console
They have murdered their own franchise with greed. The player base of TSW was much reduced over TS Classic, this decision now means they are going to massively reduce their already split and reduced player base. Same goes for consoles, who is going to buy another game for dying consoles, the new ones are due for release this Winter whereby the console player base I guarantee you will be forced to buy it yet again to use it on PS5 or whatever while it dies a death on PC. The jab at the community who kept that dog of a piece of software RailWorks going for a fooking decade and meant DTG was in the position to try this is frankly insulting. Then theres the we're looking at UE5 bit in the next few years, prepare for TSW3 and all this new fluff to die too, never buying another sim off DTG again.
Richard Pearson They’re a small studio they’re just trying to pay their employees and put food on the table. Making a product like this is very expensive because they literally have to not only pay their employees, but also pay licensing fees for Unreal and Autodesk. We won’t have to buy it again on PS5 and Series X because both consoles are (PS5 claims, but Xbox has confirmed) doing full optimization for PS4 and XB1 games. Just chill, i own a small studio and we have been developing a game for 4 years, and still haven’t gotten the gameplay right. Game design is a process
I’m problably not getting the new console tbh
If you're still alive, happy birthday friend!
I 100% agree with you. I too wont be buying TSW2 as I also feel it's just a cash grab. No reason why it couldn't have been an upgrade for TSW 2020 or if they wanted money so bad then they could've made it a paid dlc for TSW 2020 as I don't feel it was deserving of it being it's own title.
I agree with you about the game being to expensive, but you better not he bulling people who loves trains in general.
DTG is one of the worst game devs in terms of pricing and customer satisfaction. They only care about money! They r like the apple of game devs😂. They make EA look like non profit organization. 😂
No EA is worse nothing can beat them
I agreed because like the Amtrak Eastern Corridor it says Boston to Washington and we don't even go there we get off at Newark like the job is not finished same thing with Long Island Railroad any input Far Rockaway in here is like what are you doing I cannot finish the project I mean put it on a patch or something because I'm tired of buying DLC you already bought the whole damn game I think this company just greedy for money instead work on a project make it better now you want us to buy train Sim World 2 do all of the favor put that s*** on a patch and give it to us my damn it's not the one with DLC what you going to start getting tied to buy and s*** if it's not worth it.👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Personally I'm glad i bought TSW2 and there's enough there to warrant 24.99. Improved fidelity up to 4k, optimised to run at a good frame rate, and bring over your existing TSW collection. Not fussed about livery creator or scenario creator I just want to drive trains. But I am confused why it exists, Train Simulator 2020 seems to have more content but it doesn't quite match the visuals. As a consumer it would be better to have one game with more content
They are the laziest game company I've ever seen. They really don't care, they just push how far they can go with this. I hope train sim 2 flops so that they have to evaluate their choices and realize how cheap and nasty they have been.
then you have never seen many games! lol
I’ll stick to Run 8 Train Simulator
I bought the LIRR New york line for TSW xbox, but I have to buy it again to play it on TSW2.
What are you on about, it's free
TSW2 is a crash, rushed and broken game for Xbox One.
TSW2 is super realistic
Lol I’m still playing plain-old Train Simulator. The graphics look like they’re from 2009 and there are still some of the same bugs that have been there for God knows how long. Instead of putting out substandard DLC every year, they need to take a break for a couple years and go back and update the core game engine. That game is super outdated and they should just drop it.
What about the Community that play ts 21 it being a 13 year old game doesn’t make it bad old game can be jast as good
They bought me with Bakerloo Line...
Also, the Bakerloo Line will be a massive fail, half of it is darkness with the odd station, then it emerges at Queens Park where it joins with A. The Watford DC lines (they won't add the Capitalstar to represent this :) ) and B. The bloody busiest and most diverse rolling stock wise mainline in the UK, The WCML. So you'll basically drive next to a dead 4 track plus mainline for half the journey and in darkness for the second half. Why do people want this? It's going to suck.
My thoughts exactly, I held back on saying that but it's true.
I've surprised myself how angry this has made me but the German route too, Cologne to Aachen, 1. Its over in less than 30 mins each way 2. The route in real life is like the WCML, untold diversity in rolling stock that will never get onto the sim route, so why bother. It is also going to suck. As for Sandpatch, well its OK but its not new. It is easily the most complete bit of content in terms of the scenarios having somewhat of a build up to full fledged main line runs, the radio chatter etc... I dont care how cheap or otherwise TSW2 is, It will not get anywhere near my hard disk.
the tube is a decent idea. But it is so limited.
It's *NO* joke.
Your opinion
I want doventail TO listen TO there fan's
nearly 15k wtf. Thank you. whether you disagree or agree.
Disagree, mainly. Having said that, I’m already unhappy losing all my TS games (ten years worth of payware) to start again on TSW2.
If the editor was great, I’d still buy it. Maybe.
Basically I can’t put it into words as well as you 😂
@@tdurb0 I'm actually buying when they make good on all their promises
I totally agree with what you said about TSW2 its a copy paster of TSW2020 an amazing game with great graphics a new one was not necessary.
Lol
Disagree as well train sim world 2 is a new game it already released
Fully agree with your speculations even as the game was released a few days ago. So sad to see this pos after spending so much money on a half-ass game and it's DLCs
They don't want or they can't understand that if 3 people buy a DLC (Route Addon) for 15 € (if it ever come to a regualr Price for Route DLC) than 1 People for 30 € they will make more money. I will never buy a DLC for TSW2 at full price and never in Pre-sales. The pricing policy of DTG is a disaster...
It should have just been a TSW overhaul instead of a whole new game imo
Sgt DeBones I think they’re just trying to start fresh, because we get all our original purchased content plus more.
Brad Bennett, things that were promised to be in the original tsw.
Eoin P Kav ive never seen where they promised multiplayer but ok
That’s like saying that gta5 should have been a free overhaul of gta4
@Brad Bennett when did I say multiplayer?
that is true what you said about them treating you like Customers instead miking us like cow! train sim world as lot of bugs they need to fixs frist!
100% agree with you, I'm so done with these devs
I like the TSW series, I still prefer the og train sim because of the content available but the more in depth flight sim style of complexity TSW offers is great HOWEVER TSW2 should have been a free upgrade to those who already own TSW2020, no ifs or buts, its an almost identical version of the game which offers little new, but stops people who have TSW from enjoying newer dlc as TSW has been forgotten
I have TSW1 and I can't tell any real difference between 1&2 So I guess you answered my question and I'll just stick with 1
Bruh this game is so fun how could hate it do you not like trains or something?
the quality is poor. and i fucking love trains
quality poor yeah I can agree but still this game is fun
@@James-gc8bv it's not that i didn't think it would be fun that annoyed me. it's the fact that after buying TSW, no less than a year later i have to buy a new game which changes very little.
They made a 2 game to make things better r u dum
@@James-gc8bv but they could've just updated the first one
This video is more of a joke than the game. Maybe next time actually speak about the game you are supposed to be convincing us is a joke (haha) p.s. i could make a better video than this in my sleep
The only thing that I see is new is more dlcs and train crashes
Jeeze I've been scouring the internet looking for the difference between these two games as I was thinking of buying it then realized I was looking at two separate dlcs and games
Glad I finally got a dang answer, and as much as this sort of thing im walking into sucks it does let me know witch is the currently being focused on
Thank you
No problem, thank you for your kind words.
@@lordbrit4630
Last train game I played was Trainstation back on Facebook/phone app and I played that for....idk how many years off and on. Been on a simulator kick and bought ATS a while ago, been in love with the Snowrunner series, and wanted to find something for my old flame the Disael Locomotive and found these two on the Spring Sale on PSN and was poking about them
I'm likely to be getting the "Collectors Edition" as I did the math and I'd be saving $50-$55 dollars
Any other DLCs you'd recommend as im looking at these and this is definitely a game id be choosy on the dlcs instead of my normal procedure of "Shut up and take my money" I do with a good chunk of game
@@lordbrit4630 how do you port the tsw2020 games to tsw2?
All I want is a steam train on TSW. That is my only request.
There are plans for steam in the future
@@CrazyDash9 for a long time.
@@CrazyDash9 they said it would come for TSW. Been waiting... Oh wait, they dropped those plans and are adding them to TSW2? Guess I should drop more money and hope they get off their fucking ass and develop for that.
Oh wait.
I got this game because I wanted a train sim and I never got the first one. After looking into the history though I have to say that this was a ridiculous move by them and one I wouldn't be happy with if I was a hard-core fan, Have to say I'm loving the game though haha.
Both games look so bad compared to EuroTruckSimulator2
It’s not always about the looks it’s about the gameplay
I agree with ya, Dovetail is a joke, they doing same crap to fishing games community. btw, TSW is on Unreal Engine not Unity.
I disagree with your opinion cause somehow you can customize the livery wich is cool so yeah I disagree.
ty for replying kindly and not calling me names! yeah, things have changed since i did this video. I'm updating my stance soon enough.
Rubbish video I play train sim world to and tsw 2 has already been released, yes it could have been added in an update but dovetail are trying to rebuild train simulator in a more fun realistic way and I don't think there is any problem with that tsw Also let's you gave more freedom than train simulator and it is an entirely different game personally I think train simulator is rubbish it's not realistic and all you can do is sit in the cab in tsw it allows you to get out of trains and explore stations so it is a much better game
But think about the overpriced dlcs
@@___-000 Well keep in mind that tsw 2 is £24.99 jast like all the route dlcs so they’re are not making much more money in fact they are making 3 routes for the Price of 1 meaning losing out of a Wapping of £64.99 so how are they milking us?
@@Scottish_Transport_Explorer but if the game is £24.99 then why aren't the route dlcs £8.99? Its not worth buying Dlcs for £24. Plus who TF WOULD actually pay £64.99 for any game!? Like just think about it.
The price of the game is fine. But the fact that the Dlcs are equally expensive as the game is incredible
@@___-000 Yeah but keep in mind same of the sims 4 dlc can cost £34.99 soo DTG it’s not the first and will not be the last
After buying Cane's Creek, I see this true
Train Sim World 2 is like a tech demo that you pay for. And then you have to pay even more for content.
The train simulation space is definitely in need of a new player.
Train sim world 2 is just the same game expect with new routes and better graphics should make the routes the full route
They are taking it too far. They should have just kept it at two franchises. Train Simulator and Train Sim World.
They did..
Yeah I know. I thought TSW2 was just going to be another franchise. But it is just a continuation from the origin
Shut up