The Absurd Rise & Fall of Jenos in Season 6! (Paladins)
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Jenos had a tumultuous time in Season 6 of Paladins, and as the game winds down in one of the last months before Season 7, it's the perfect time to analyze what happened to Jenos and the support meta as a whole with the benefit of hindsight! Jenos rose to prominence in the meta almost as quickly as he fell, and despite being far better now than he was at the start of the season, he's still relegated to being a bottom 3 support pick. In this video, AndrewChicken explains why he thinks that's the case, which requires a broader analysis of the entire support class and balance trends as a whole!
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I think buffing his healing with how easy it is ti apply is problematic. He should have added buffs in his marks instead of extra healing. Maybe rework some cards for that
There used to be a damage amp but it got removed.
@@RemiFoxin that was epic
Right, I don’t understand why the devs don’t play with cards more when balancing champions. They seem to just give everyone flat heal number boosts or nerfs (like 20% increased healing). I wish they would play with low performing cards as the first step towards balancing champs.
Maybe the mark could:
Reduce the CD of all abilities by 10 or 15%?
OR
Give 10% or 15% dmg reduction for 2s?
OR
Reduce all cc by 70% so people wont be needing to buy resilience so they can save credits for another item...
OR (this one might be op idk?)
Your weapon shots prevent the enemies from healing for 2s after Jenos gave you a mark but you only have 2,5s to apply this effect after you get the mark so if you are too late it won't work. Thus, when you get the mark you have to shoot someone if you want to apply the effect before these 2,5s runs out. You will have to use it correctly and pay attention whenever Jenos gives you a mark so you can use it to counter early games (double sup meta). This would be very strong for players who have a good focus and can play as a team. If played well with good teammates you can apply it quite frequently, its like Willo's dead zone but much better.
(this is with the talent ofc) would that make him any better?
I remember Jenos being the only support who could give damage bonus to characters and it felt amazing. Every support was unique in some way, instead of just being heal bots. Being a support should not be limited to JUST healing.
This game struggles really hard with this concept. The only unique character in that sense is Torvald- and he's a fuckin tank.....
@@davidmorales7371 Supports should have healing, at least a little bit, just like all tanks are quite healthy, but then, they have to introduce specifics to them, such as:
Ying - highest single target healing;
Jenos - provides high team-wide damage buff;
Mal Damba - has very strong crowd control;
Corvus - provides various strong buffs for one player;
Io - technically a 6th player;
Rei - charges ultimates, practically a battery;
Grover - constant healing;
Furia - should have a revival;
Pip - massive team-wide healing;
Seris - strong long lasting dot healing;
Grohk - a damage hybrid;
Lilith - overhealing through her own health manipulation;
These are just quick ideas, don't take them too serious, I just tried to make them more distinguished one from another. what do I know in game balance...
@pinkius all I'll say is to look at other support in other games and genres. If you do, you'll see that paladins is very heavily centered around supports being people that heal. Which is why I really like Torvald, old Jenos, and to a certain point, corvus.
that time it didnt matter if his heals were shit, his damage boost was so broken it didnt matter
@tiredpapi that's my point. Supports don't need to be heal bots to be effective supports. But that's what they are in the game .
Get well Andrew mate, hope you heal in time to enjoy the eves
Kinda missed him though. Jenos was at least fun to play with and against. Don't get ne wrong, he needed a big nerf, but they kinda killed him and this only bothers me 'cause Io, a champ boring to play as, with and against is meta, but that's on me I guess.
What is fun about the ever hiding Jenos?
@@elmercy4968there isn’t a fuck trying to sexually touch the tank every 5 seconds
I dont think he was fun to play against in the slightest lmao. grovers always been better than him this season IMO, but grovers usually easy to find and kill, whereas jenos is just gone
Ok, let me rephrase it then, Jenos is funnier* to fight than msby other healers. You guys are acting like it's the way old Jenos that could heal from spawn. Jenos needs to be close, specially good Jenos that know that they need to do dmg to be actually useful to the team. So, catching a Jenos is fun, since you need to be skillfull to hit him while he dodges, or win the straight dps battle which should be in your favor anyways. This is was more fun than having to flank Ms.Ihidebehindmydog or Ms.Ihave3khp imo
I don’t miss it. The same thing happened in 2020 where he was the meta pocket healer. It’s not fun to play against. What’s fun about playing against a pocket healer? I hope he isn’t meta for a very long time again.
Also, IO is way more fun and interactive than Jenos. All you do with Jenos is mark people and shoot. He’s boring asf.
Jenos is literally my go to sup after Furia. Idk, he is my fav champion and I still heal a lot with him tho! I love him :>
But I'm just playing for fun, sooo
@@Inked_Winghis heals are kinda useless, no matter how much heals you end up doing, if it's not burst heal then it's not useful. Tickling your teammates with heals doesn't prevent them from dying, it delays their imminent death by a few seconds
@@Sac-chanThat also means its hard to push up and hard to enable your team to play aggressive.
@@a.k.axurai5678 exactly, jenos is a great off support, but as a solo healer? he sucks whale size d*ck bc he can't burst heal, he can't save anyone
when i play casual (always) and in 1 sec there are 4 flanks on my team(almost always) i use jenos bc it lets me heal everyone from distance while being safe and whats worst, most of the time it works and i get a crazy 200k healing
yeah if i get put with 4 flanks i may aswell go jenos lol, everyone just runs off in different ways
If they can make part of his healing kit percentage based, he at least can have the potential to burst heal tanks. It is much needed for this double tank meta
So reinforce the double tank meta? No thank you
Been saying this for a while. Jenos needs some more utility and to be less dependent on your teammates knowing how to retreat so that he can individually thrive despite his team throwing. Either add damage mitigation to his heal and give the initial burst of healing immunity to cauterize. Nerf the initial burst of need be
OP supports are also bleeding balance issues into the other classes. Tanks are a bit of a double-edged sword where they have more sustain than ever but their damage has less impact, which is fine for the top tier offtanks but if you try playing Raum or Ash you see people's HP going up as you shoot them. Backline DPS also suffers because leaving someone low only has impact if your flank or offtank is immediately in position to strike, otherwise your damage is just healed up. Flanks feel more mandatory than ever, but flanking against double support is a battle of attrition and not very fun.
Honestly current Jenos, Seris and Damba should be the standard and everyone else brought down to that level
I loved your video and your opinions so much! I'd love to see more videos like this.
Do you think you could also make videos on the teasers Paladins gives on the next patch?
8:54 oh my goodness gracious ....
Jenos ult would be 90% fail to hit a thing, and 10% to win entire team fight xD
I wish EM could revert the nerf of the paladins community having a low IQ and expecting the heal from Jenos to sustain them in a fight and teammates wanting to take damage every second, been in the game for years and still hasn’t been patched
8:53 enjoy
Jenos has always been the butt of many drastic meta shifts. But tbh they really should just give him a decent burst heal and nerf the trickle hot, so that we can stop having long periods of him being useless.
Also buff void grip's damage, give him some utility so it isn't a wasted / niche button.
Can we have damba video soon please? I love my snake boy
What are keyword supports?
Yes this is a big problem, that isnt really put into perspective until you see what supports used to be
hes in a good spot, the problem is the power creep in the support class in the past 2 years
Dmg jenos is also second worst dmg support
andrew which headphones do you use?
Its rare these days for me to join a match that doesn't have double support!
and yet i STILL get instalock jenos players in ranked who complain
Exactly. Whenever I see the other team go Jenos I celebrate. It’s a free win once Cauterize kicks in.
Not a single ult was hit this game.
High healing numbers feel good and keep people interested in playing Supports, but aren't healthy for matchup balance. Why not make caut last longer and make it so burst healing can't remove it, so that healing values can be balanced around out-of-combat healing?
As a support main, I can tell you that Andrew is completely wrong about supports being too strong. Healers are always the first to be blamed for every death and every loss. I have still been blamed and harassed and bullied, even after hitting over 250 K heals, countless times. It really feels like the healers still aren’t enough. I think the real problem is the healers who do massive damage alongside big healing numbers. They are bringing a huge imbalance to the game.
If you truly are main healing, you should have significantly less time to even do damage, but some healers have damage even built in to their heals. If I hit 300k heals with Seris it typically means I have less than 40k damage. But Furia can fully do 250k heals and 200k damage in the same breath.
Jenos is by far my favorite champ. Wish I could play him in ranked without getting harassed
Jenos was fun when he came out and had a decent damage.
they could undo one or 2 nerfs but not the cooldown and the card cooldown at the same time.
healing through walls. Corvus must not exist.
I told you 90% anti-healing was a bad idea but you wanted 90% anti-healing. buffing supports to make up that change followed.
no one was pushing. they were all playing so passively.
as I said, the change to Mal'Damba made little to no different.
I thought the change to Seris was interesting but wow, they destroyed her.
(anything like this is a note or to make a passive or a card effect per level)
My Mal'Damba's changes Ideas
Slither "Quickly slither forward, becoming untargetable for the duration, dealing 200 damage to any enemy you pass though.
Cobra Bite (passive) " while using Slither, you can jump to change direction and increasing Slither's duration, Stunning any enemy within 10 units at the end for 1s on landing."
(note, you can not hit the same enemy twice during it but you can stun the same enemy even on the second pass. If time perfectly, the jump will double its range)
Spirit's Chosen
Mending Spirits immediately Heals your target for an additional 250. Your target become Crowd Control Immune to non-ultimates for 1s.
Ripened Gourd
Your Gourd deals damages on enemies is half, but it Heals for twice as much.
Wekono's Wrath Tossing your snake after reloading and Slither deals an additional 300 damage.
(note, both stuns can not effect the same enemy within 5 seconds, also this may need to go down to 250 damage to balance it)
(again anything like this is a note or to make a passive or a card effect per level)
My Seris idea changes
Mortal Reach "the healing ticks of Restore soul is reduce by 20%. after using Rend soul, Restore soul will heal up to 25% more and ignores up to 25% anti-healing for the next 10 seconds."
(the problem with Seris is people play her as a heal bot when they pick Mortal Reach and they rarely shoot, this is give them a reason to shoot more)
Agony "deals 50% of the damages to non-marked Enemy once after a stun. stuns lasts an additional 1s to an enemy with 6 or more marks"
(150 units and has line of sight to them. the additional 1s mark could be lower to 6 marks. 8 may take too long) (this would not count is being in combat for the enemy)
Also I heavily disagree support class isn’t the problem. Key words are partially an issue but if they weren’t exclusive to specific characters and not exclusive to the support class they would be fine. I say everyone gets them or no one gets them. The flank/off tank flank class is the issue and they keep trying to buff supports to deal with how strong they are and there lies the issue. I say balance the supports. Blanche the damage/cc from off tanks or pockets from off tanks and flanks and show the point tanks some love
All depends how skilled you are at that support
Support overpowered yes but put him in the hands of person don't know how to use them that support is terrible
All depends on your skill
Any of you play casuals? I know this is off topic but hear me out. There are numerous players who join with 0 as there level, they have names that make no sense, usually letters and numbers. Had Betty who jumped of her horse start of game every time, walked one third of map and just threw out her ability at herself . Fernando runs to point pops shield and waits to die at point, no abilities used all game, lex on others team hops off horse at starts and manages 1 kill all game. Scoreboard shown they’re not bots however I’m seeing this more and more. Always 0 level never chat. They move real strange like following a path.
We are not in doubles support meta. We Are Not In Double Support Meta. WE ARE NOT IN DOUBLE SUPPORT META. double support loses most times because the healing falls off and usually the 2nd support does not have enough damage/utility in the late game and your team falls off. Jenos does need a little love I think 5 second cool down is a bit harsh and he can’t support a double tank team comp properly by himself. And he genuinely does struggle especially against mobile flanks since his movement is lack luster and using any ability forces him to not be able to shoot or use other abilities for its duration. Maybe don’t buff his numbers but if he can at least keep uptime on his mark on all 4 of his teammates with proper management and chronos it would be nice. As it stands you can only keep it up on 3 teammates it falls off as soon as you mark the 4th
The stupidest thing in this game is that when someone is afk it doesn't turn them.
You play 4 vs 5 and lose🤣🤣🤣.
Jenos has always been a damage support for me, they should buff his dps by ~100.
Thank god we've been, and forever will be, in a double tank meta. Very fun.
Hearing a pro with a platform try to claim that supports are the best class, really really feels bad to hear as a average player. I think it’s pretty obvious to most people that play the game that flanks and damagers are the best class. Anyone who tries to argue that healers are the best class is so so so obviously not a support main.
I can hear through the bullshit and see that he’s just actually upset that he has struggle more with supports now than ever before and that’s really truly where his stance is coming from.
Damba the worst support? Lmfao, hell nah
Jenos is still good after the nerf, he can do 150k to 200k in 15-20min matches, sometimes I even get more like 220/230k for longer matches, his healing is around what corvus and grover can do. I still think furia, seris and ying are the top healers nowadays. I still remember when ying got a buff to heal 2 characters at the same time, it was awesome.
Jenos is very low on ammo, all supports are very low ammo & HP, that's why no one wants to play supports.
Honestly the game isn’t going to grow. They need to focus on maps and rebuild some of under used characters and useless abilities for 2-5 seasons. I get wanting to constantly add something new to the game but I honestly believe we’re at good reconstruction point.
Your kame hame haa ,is just bad 😂
Take Evie she very strong but in hands of a player who doesn't know how she works she is terrible
Solo heal with damage Jenos. That's always been the best way. I compete with all other healers while out damaging them every time I do this.
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Im not gonna lie i hate that jenos exist with that form of healing because i question how creative these dev are... oof 🤔 They made a dmg jeno look a like omen (for those who like crippling talent) a nyx inara, 😂 a stationary ruckus raum, vatu another maeve. Game not creative or balanced wtf is up the hp system and character dmg sha lin, bk and evie can do ez 1000 dmg of most 2k hp character WHAT😮!!! WHY ITEM SHOP EXPENSIVE / NOT FUNCTIONAL LVL3 RESILIENCE AND ILLUMINATE they were good at start of season 1 rnk
Sry at andrew chicken comment section for angry comment its just the game direction is off for me the is more like a moba than a hero shooter in my opinion
Jenos should get the Key Words change my mind
_You don't want any one class to be over powered? Unfortunately Flank Class is exactly that. overpowered_
No? its the least needed role and the second least meta role. theres more meta supports and meta frontlines. The amount of mid and awful damage champions is insane.
Flank is "overpowered" farming noobs or dumb teams which is majority of the playerbase.
@@a.k.axurai5678 Nah they're busted. Vii, Maeve, Vatu and Evie are insanely busted and can fly from one side of the map to the other in an instant. Not only that but the sheer damage they do killing things in town or 3 hits is nuts. And they can get away for free and get healed to do it all over again.