Steve Hackett: "Why I left Genesis"
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Steve Hackett is a guitar legend, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee with Genesis, a band who during his time were one of the top prog bands in the world. But in 1977 he decided to leave. Here he explains why this happened.
To hear the full interview with Steve as he talks about his incredible career, time in the band, and subsequent solo career listen to Episode 13 of VRP Rocks. Just search for VRP Rocks on all good podcast platforms - or visit www.vintagerockpod.com
Like Phil said, it's a very diplomatic band as long as you agree with Tony.
Haha, Phil was the main force who kicked Gabriel, Hackett and Bruford out. He was on an ego trip. You can hear that in later genesis songs, they sound like Phil Collins. That does not mean he was bad for the band. I think we can be thankful that he managed to step into Gabriels big shoes, and give us the most sophisticated and well engineered pop songs ever, besides Abba and the Beatles.
@@fibboobbif I never understood this battle about what time was better or all that bla bla. I found Genesis when i was 13 years old in the late 70s when i heard Seconds Out and it still is my all time favorite. I like all kinds of songs from more early albums and from much later albums. Some is very good, some i do not like at all. What counts for me is the timeless quality of so many songs, they travel with you for ever, be it songs with Peter or Phil, who cares, pick what you like and skip what you don´t like. It´s just so great to have timeless songs, and Genesis (and many others) gave me that from evry timezone they went through. Some was rubbish, but so many other songs treat our ears with the possibility of musical perfection.
@@fibboobbif Haha, No he wasn't. Everyone who's a true early Genesis follower knows that Tony Banks & Mike Rutherford were the ones who controlled Genesis after Gabriel left, and the band auditioned 100's of singers to replace Gabriel before deciding on Collins. Later on, after Collins' solo album became a global hit in 1981, he was able to exert his influence on the band to go in a 'pop-rock' direction. Every true Genesis fan knows this.
@@filmneye I did not mean the moment after Gabriel left, and they had to find a singer. I meant after der first shows with Bruford. If Banks and Rutherford had been in full control, then why did Collins call Bill (and later Chester) in without any audition? And why didnt they make it more comfortable for Bruford to make him stay in the band? Bill seemed to be a bit bored as a side man only, and Phil seemed to be glad to find Chester, the perfect side man... Bruford was a challenge for Collins, also a huge artistical and personal character... And Collins was a challenge for Chester, who afaik never complaint only being the "second drummer". A perfect and willing side man for Collins.
@@fibboobbif that’s a complete fabrication.
Steve Hackett is shamefully underrated. His tone, choice of rhythm & chords, solos...all spectacular. I could listen to anything he plays on and especially love his solo material outside of Genesis. And with Genesis Revisited...he brings you right back to the old days all over again. His musicianship is stellar!
💯👍 percent agreed!!!😊
‘The most original guitarist’.
-Mike Rutherford
Without Steve, Genesis never was the same as before. This loss was irreparable.
Look, this was 45 years ago now. Stop asking the great Steve Hackett THIS question. It's done and dusted.
He left cos he needed to leave.
Great guitarist and songwriter. He's had a great career, much respected.
We love you Steve ... Every Day !
Why we shouldn't know what happened?
I didn't actually ask him THIS question, he got onto the subject himself. Perhaps he feels the need to talk about it still?
The best period for Genesis was the 'Steve Hackett' era.
Agree. As great as the Gabriel era was,the band didn't truly hit the skids until Hackett left after Wind and Wuthering.
I still think Trespass is a brilliant album which obviously predates Steve.
The best period for Genesis music lovers was the 'Steve Hackett' era!😊
@George Leech Only conmercial/financial, not musically.
When they went from creative progressive to top 40, I lost interest.
It's all about personal taste.
Spectral mornings is a masterpiece
Love Please don’t touch as well
I’m a huge Genesis fan and have seen them many times play around Surrey especially Guildford in their early days. It was quite sad when Steve left and then Peter, but they managed to survive quite well when there was three. I have to say that since Steve has been covering the Genesis repertoire the sound is as good as what I remembered and the replication is absolutely spot on, it’s almost like listening to Genesis play all over again.
So glad I wrote this post. It just goes to prove my point about Genesis being controversial. Just want to put this out there I LOVE GENESIS IN ALL THEIR VARIOUS INCARNATIONS. Buy my preference is for the Steve Hackett years. Firth of Fifth has probably one of the great guitar solos ever. But I grew up during the Gabriel years and love the theatre and sheet insanity of it all.
Probably? Firth of Fifth is, without a shadow of a doubt one the greatest guitar solos ever. I respect your opinion of course, but I just don't know how you can "love" their post-Hackett Incarnations. They had a couple of decent albums (And then there were three and Duke) and after that... ugh.. there's barely anything even worth listening to, mate.
@@YeOldEntertainment Even those two albums didn't get listened to for very long whereas I will never stop listening to the Lamb or W and W.
@@scifiwriter98 oh, Absolutely! Lamb lies down or wind & wuthering are without question far superior to those two, as you said. And then there were three or Duke are merely decent.
@@YeOldEntertainment You probably disagree, but I think side 1 of the "Shapes" album is the best side of an album that they put out post-Hackett. Mama is absolutely iconic and creepy, and Home by the Sea might be their "catchiest" epic (I've found myself humming that melody at random times). And the "filler" song on that side is the top 10 hit That's All. Side 2 is more hit-and-miss (although I still like it), but I think Shapes is essential on the strength of side 1.
'So glad I wrote this post.' - yes, and now look what you've started! 😉 There have been wars over lesser issues 😁
Funny how he left yet he's been the one carrying on the bands 70's legacy for the last decade plus
Not really, it just shows that he was into that style of music and the others have moved on. So in the band much of what Steve keeps alive has been sidelined for newer stuff, simply because there’s no room to include it all. Fans get to enjoy both, but like every fan, I wish all five had continued as Genesis, with breaks for their own projects. Phil Collins managed it with Genesis, Brand X, briefly and his own solo career. Mike has managed it with Genesis and the Mechanics. I see no reason why Peter Gabriel couldn’t have carried on and still had a solo career. He’s not exactly been prolific over the years with new stuff.
@@philipclark4159 i have to agree with you. Tony has had a solo career as well except he would have had to work a day job to keep food on the table ;)
I realise Tony has also had a solo career, but his material outside of Genesis has been less commercial than the output of Gabriel, Collins, Rutherford and Hackett. He's tended to go more along the soundtrack/orchestral style rather than the more pop/rock output of the others. For that reason, I left him out of the comment.
Don’t forget Ray Wilson he also did that
@@philipclark4159, I think you nailed it.
The turning point of Genesis was when Steve left, not when Peter left. The two 1976 albums were still great prog rock.
@@danielmello7t what an amazing masterpiece of an album
@@danielmello7t Wind and Wuthering was released December 17, 1976. So - 1976.
I agree. Trick and W&W are two of their best albums IMO. Trick being my overall favourite Genesis album. The Lamb, Foxtrot and SEBTP would complete my top 5. Trespass, ATTWT & Duke jointly jostle for the sixth best. I still felt they were a 'force for good' up to and including Duke. Beyond that, the nosedive into pop oblivion was too rapid. I rarely listen to post Duke albums.
@George Leech It's easy to understand why the earlier albums would be a bit too demanding for some.
@@andyparkinson7829 LOL
I think that when Steve joined Genesis after the departure of Anthony Phillips, they realized that they had a uniquely talented musician and songwriter who was on a level of his own, and had much to offer. He was probably seen as someone who was as creative with a guitar as Peter Gabriel was at story writing and vocalizations. I read somewhere that Steve Hackett played in 'atmospheres' and emotions rather than riffs or chords. That was a perfect description, because with all the recordings I've listened to and all of the live performances I've downloaded and enjoyed all have the same effect on me - I'm transported to a very pleasant and special place. I think those qualities caused some concern, especially after Gabriel left and Steve had a successful solo LP. He wrote great songs and had offered this as a member of Genesis, and maybe felt that he had to contribute more with the loss of their frontman. It could have been misconstrued as an attempt at moving up towards the front of the line. I'm so happy that Steve is doing so phenomenally well. He is prolific, always trying new things, and is just a really great guy.
Good analysis 👍
Hackett was definitely a cut above on guitar. And it was Gabriel who described his playing that way, in a documentary about the group that was made about 1990 or 91. Other guitarists were about notes, but Hackett was about atmospheres. Absolutely true. He and Collins made them a better band than they were before.
His departure had much to do with frustration at not having more of his material included on Wind and Wuthering, but it was kind of his bad luck that Tony Banks brought so much great music to those sessions. And ultimately songs that I think are weaker than “Inside and Out,” which Hackett usually mentions as being a cut that didn’t set well with him, brings balance to the record that “Inside and Out” could not. I think it’s a shame that he decided that his only choice was leaving rather than pursuing a simultaneous solo career, but I don’t think he’s ever regretted it so I too am happy if he is.
Iam from Melbourne but in 1977 i was just about to get on a London train at Knightsbridge i bought the fabulous Melody Makers down stairs in the Tube and i was devastated reading the front page news: " Steve Hackett leaves Genesis " i was really shocked because when just realised Genesis would never be the same Group i so much adored and admired i was right i feel they would have been even better has Stephen Stayed. I got to see Genesis in 1986 3 times in one week they where so good but Steve Hackett is the greatest Art Rock guitarist any Thanks Stephen for keeping us Genesis Freaks sooooo happy n Content Mate
Gee dude, you’re long on mouth, go write a book or something 🤪
I think it mainly goes back to Tony's ego and controlling nature. No matter what Steve came up with he fought hard to get his songs on albums and Mike was compelled to back his old school chum.
Yes... These guys brought us to the stars, to the limits of what music can do on an emotional level, and yet... they're just humans, as poor as anyone, on a human level.
Steve Hackett : why i left Genesis in two words : Tony Banks.
And also Michael Rutherford
I think ultimately the actual two words are Steve Hackett.
Yep, same reason Gabriel left.
@gary burrows Steve Hackett carries on the most authentic Gabriel-era (plus) Genesis sound today. I don't even like calling his work a pseudo cover band because it is much more like the original sound than say what Collins-Rutherford-Banks Genesis has produced. Although I will be seeing Genesis at MSG in NYC for their "Last Domino?" tour, I have my ticket to see Hackett- yet again- when he tours the east coast next April.
Genesis should have let Chester Thompson and Daryl Struemmer contribute creatively on albums --- too bad they were megalo-egomaniac control freak wankers.
Interesting that Peter and Steve were the most creative and radical musicians.
There are facts. The band was articulated around Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford. They were the artistic driving force after the departure of Peter Gabriel, who made the extravagant and charismatic substance of Genesis. Phil Collins enriched the songs with its wonderful skills at drums, and took a growing part into the band, although he was originally a patch. Stevie was a shy and self-effacing man, with his own universe, lot of ideas, who spoke with his guitar, and added some poetry and originality with its guitar abilities. But he could never impose his compositions, somewhat too "offset" and bizarre, but only add his personal touch to a whole. Frustrated by the way he felt confined, the artistic divergences and the internal squabbles between egos, he decided to leave a band, and give free rein to all his musical ideas, with freedom, and no constraints or judging. As simple as that IMHO. It was inevitable.
I don’t think it was inevitable - he’d made one solo LP already, so couldn’t he have continued making solo records while remaining in Genesis? I think Hackett ran into a wall with W&W for one reason - Banks was absolutely on fire creatively, so the band elected to go mostly with his material. And honestly when I listen to that LP, even the tracks that I think are weaker than “Inside and Out”* work better in the album context than that one would have. So though I get his frustration, I also would elect to include exactly what was included.
I wonder how diplomatically all the discussions about what to use were, though. If I were interviewing him I would rather ask about what was said and did anyone consider the option of allowing him a creative outlet like a parallel solo career while remaining with the band? Because that seems to me to have been an obvious solution but never have I seen an interview where that possibility is discussed. And it makes me wonder if there other unresolved issues that maybe haven’t come out. Much happened that led to Gabriel’s departure, it wasn’t just one thing with him, so maybe there’s also more to Hackett’s decision to leave than has ever been fully revealed.
* side note. The exclusion of “ Inside and Out” was specifically cited by Hackett as one of the choices he found most frustrating, and as a fan I prefer it to “Your Own Special Way” and also “Wot Gorilla?” which was the song specifically included instead of it. But “Inside and Out” is too much like other songs on the album while those other tracks provide more sonic diversity. They bring balance to the album and “Inside and Out” would have done the opposite. It’s a terrific track though.
Shadow is up there with anything the band as a whole produced. Could quite easily have sat on Selling England..
@@MDK2_Radio I have heard an interview where Tony or Mike express regret for not allowing Steve the option of a parallel solo career. It sounded like a lack of imagination plus evidence of how demanding and uncompromising the band could be (plus whatever Steve is hinting at here).
Truthfully, anytime a solid music group branches out, there can be tension regarding whether the best material is being depleted on solo projects.
I recall Jason Newsted left Metallica after they imposed similar restrictions on his solo career while continuing to limit his creative input…
Is not only why he left the band, is HOW he left.
He is an idiot.....just the fact that he is 70 and is putting black shoe polish in his hair shows he is a vain idiot.....hey stick with the band and tour and make money for another 40 years...I think Dan Felder of the eagles did the same thing......blah blah blah..."What about my song writing".......
You have to remember that back in the 70's you had a record which could only hold about 38 mins of music. It was always going to be difficult to accomodate all the songwriters. I respect Steve for leaving so that he could be true to his own compositions.
I can see that. But I can also see him having a parallel solo career while staying with the band, as Collins and Rutherford both managed. It’s really a matter of bad timing - Hackett happened to have a lot of material to contribute but it came at a time when Banks was absolutely on fire creatively. So most of Banks’ material made the cut over Hackett’s. I imagine that the discussions may not have gone as diplomatically as they could have and that might explain why he ended up feeling as though his only option was to leave.
@Anne O'Nymous I completely disagree. Genesis didn’t sell out. That’s a tired trope from too many fans of their prog era. They changed as prog petered out, and not many prog fans can accept that it did, just as surely as blues based rock petered out over the course of the 70s. The fact that Genesis albums of the 80s continued to each have their unique qualities where they continued to try new things and not repeat what they’d done or to sound like their contemporaries demonstrates that they didn’t sell out. They simply became more accessible and they gave Phil Collins fans more Phil Collins music. Nobody has to like it (I don’t) but that doesn’t mean they still had prog rock left in the tank to make and that they just abandoned it for easy money. Their first Hackett-less records would have been all pop if that’s what had happened.
Most of the 70s Genesis studio albums were around 50 minutes in length, though.
@@Spock105 I didn't specify Genesis albums, I made a general point about mastering a vinyl LP record in the seventies. The 52 min LP mastering was still fairly rare for that period. Anyway the point was that every member of the group was song-writing by the time of Wind & Wuthering...Banks is credited on every track! Banks doesn't deny that he was dogmatic about getting his own work recorded to vinyl. That didn't leave much room for a creative guitarist.
@@tentruesummers9043 as I maintain, that was a matter of timing. Banks happened to have a lot of great music to bring to that album, and the band mostly went with his offerings over Hackett’s because they liked it better. And W&W is a great record so I can’t really argue. I think Hackett could have chosen to reserve his music and try again later, or made another solo record without leaving the band, but clearly neither option appealed to him. Maybe there was more to it than we know. Hackett doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who will always say how he feels or what’s in his mind - his departure was seen as sudden by the rest of the group, unlike Gabriel’s which everyone saw coming. I take that as a sign of a personality not always comfortable with assertiveness and sometimes those people just decide to opt out rather than talk it out. He really shouldn’t feel disrespected by the others for going with the music that they did.
This competitive attitude is so distasteful when it's between artists. I much prefer the attitude of say, jazz musicians, who know they're not going to achieve huge commercial success but are in it to make good music together.
I have just read Elton John and Roger Daltery’s autobiographies. What struck me was how single minded and driven they were. Elton John was rejected so many times it was ridiculous. Add to that constantly driving up and down the M1 in old Bedford van and eating nothing but cold beans.
No doubt Hackett was the same. We like to think of our idols as ‘laid back cool blokes’ but the only way to get to the top is to be single minded and a bit ruthless.
True, but jazz musicians often find themselves in the category we musicians call "gig pigs",which means rather than continuity and commitment with any particular project, they tend to do paid 'one-offs' ; studio sessions, live guest or sub slots, fly by night collaborations, all of which ironically enough, are flat rate guaranteed paid gigs. jazz musicians are VERY interested in making money and making a decent living. Committing to a signed band is actually a far greater risk and most jazz musicians are not interested in that kind of uncertainty. Paid gigs only...Which I think is fair. Theoried players actually tend to be much more competitive and ruthless than untrained rockers.
He is an idiot.....just the fact that he is 70 and is putting black shoe polish in his hair shows he is a vain idiot.....hey stick with the band and tour and make money for another 40 years...I think Dan Felder of the eagles did the same thing......blah blah blah..."What about my song writing".......
@@US_ARMY_25_INF._DIV. You are being a bit harsh. Lots of people make bad decisions concerning how they look as they age, and most folks in show biz dye their hair. Ageing is not fun.
As for him leaving Genesis, that band only ever sounded as if the atmosphere was light when Phil Collins was being funny. Tony Banks always appeared to be a right pain in the arse to be in a band with, from all accounts.
Who wants to hang around with people who get on your wick?
by today's standards Genesis was a superband
I feel I was fortunate to see Genesis twice before Steve left, and then once afterwards. All the shows were fantastic, but the ones with Steve are my favorites. That said....his solo work, while VERY good, never quite achieved the level of Genesis. I love the fact that he has lately returned to doing Genesis material, and does it very well. As a guitarist myself, I can say Steve is an inspiration to many players. He has a sense of subtlety and finesse that most guitarists lack.
As a fan of Genesis since the mid 70's I have to say that I actually prefer Steve's Genesis material rather than listen to the more pop versions that the three remaining members do/did.
Went to see him on Monday in Oxford. He played some new stuff before the interval which, to be honest, I could take or leave, but the whole of Seconds Out after the break was awesome!
@@robwilkie1 I just saw him three hours ago on the last show of the tour. Excellent. You knew what you were going for and that’s exactly what you got. It was like a thousand people at a listening party.
There's a market for 70s Genesis, even if the band themselves just showcase it in a medley. Steve discovered he could fill venues combining his solo work with revisiting his time with Genesis and it's been an outstanding success.
He is an idiot.....just the fact that he is 70 and is putting black shoe polish in his hair shows he is a vain idiot.....hey stick with the band and tour and make money for another 40 years...I think Dan Felder of the eagles did the same thing......blah blah blah..."What about my song writing".......
Steve… Your value was more than the quarter you represented… That’s for sure!
They need to do some shows with Hackett and Gabriel.
Not until the Apocalypse (in 9/8 of course!)
Gabriel has zero interest, and they’d have to get a different drummer because Collins can’t play anymore. Plus videos like this make it appear that Hackett still harbors resentments (and this isn’t the only one I’ve seen). Sadly these things add up to no reunion.
Wishful thinking . It would be unreal. I love the Hackett solo Lps that basicly went unnoticed in USA. Gabriel still amazing.
They don't "need" to do anything. Genesis is whatever Mike, Tony and Phil want...and right now they want to put Genesis to rest.
@@angusgulliver7775 don't blame them.it just would have been great to see the line up of Gabriel and Hackett before they did.
"We have democracy in Genesis. Of course, as long as we all agree with Tony" (Phil Collins smiling) ;-)
Needles to say, all members of the band are very talented composers. However, if I had to pick the most talented one I would point to Banks. Which is interesting because his solo career has not been successful (comparing with other memebrs of the group).
That's a very interesting observation about Tony and his solo career! Maybe he needs serfs to order around ? Maybe a bit like a Roger Waters character?
Rutherford didn’t have successful solo records either. He needed a band environment and that’s what Mike + The Mechanics is. Perhaps that’s what Banks also needs. But then again, he had that project The Banks Report (I think that’s what it was called) and they also failed to sell, so maybe even that doesn’t help. In Genesis the band arranged the music regardless of who wrote it. A good example is Firth of Fifth, which the band arranged from three different things that Banks came up with solely and separately, and that apparently the group put together into one song to his consternation. (He referred to it as a “Banks ghetto” in the “making of Selling England” video in 2007.) Make of that what you will. OTOH I’m pretty sure “One For the Vine” was fully arranged by Banks and basically the only contributions from the others were purely through their musicianship. But I bet it would sound pretty different if he recorded it with others in a solo setting.
Banks' solo albums are the most interesting and closest to Genesis quality in my opinion. I own 1 album from Collins, 1 album from Hackett, 1 album from Rutherford, 3 albums from Gabriel, and the complete Banks discography.
Well, the truth is that none of the members' solo albums achieved the artistic level of ANY of band's albums from the 70s. Well, perhaps Gabriel was close with his masterpiece album from 1978. Of course, the early solo albums by Hackett are very good and still interesting. But the compositions are just not on the same artistic level.
@@MDK2_Radio Smallcreep's Day is a masterpiece in my opinion! But if you count the Mike + The Mechanics' albums as Mike's solo career, I guess we can say he did have a good amount of commercial success.
Why do people always feel like they have to denigrate something in order to lift up something else??? As a real Genesis fan, I can honestly say that I love all of their music from every era. I'm a huge Peter Gabriel fan and Steve Hacket's guitar riffs are otherworldly. When they left the band it was sad but there was still unbelievable greatness in the three leftovers. The remaining members went on to sell a hundred million albums and had successful solo careers as well. If there is a fair and just God somewhere in this universe, she will force all of these rock legends to play together in the afterlife for my amusement. Can you imagine how wonderful it would be to see them all perform each other's work together?
Goddesspeed !
Lovely guy and an extremely courteous One!! I saw and met Steve last year and he very kindly signed my copies of "Foxtrot"" and "Selling England By The Pound" !! Steve has influenced countless other guitar greats including of course Brian May who has been characteristically generous in acknowledging that !!! From Adrian 1965
"Thankyou So Much Vintage Rock Pod"!!!
It was an end of Genesis after Steve left. Although the band still kept the same name it was not the same band and not the same music anymore.
I find it sad that anyone from the classic line-up felt they couldn't stick around for a few more masterpieces. They no doubt had their own compelling reasons. The pressures must be enormous in that sort of band.
It's a coincidence that I more or less switched off from pop/rock etc in '76, aged 18.
They should have turned more punk rock instead of pop .
The three had a definite incentive to do it with three members instead of four such as less pie holes to feed. They were figuring it out. Everything got bigger, louder, punchier; prog was fading into punky new wave. At least we got the wonderful "Seconds Out' which is superb. I think Steve mostly helped balance out Tony's melancholy which was as pervasive as Giant Hogweed. If you have noticed there are many rock music fans that react enthusiastically to melancholy like Invisible Touch and Dukie even when they don't realize it.
@George Leech to each their own i,ll take pg over the the rest of them any day
UA-cam needs a laugh reaction for comments like George’s.
They should have let Chester Thompson and Daryl Struemmer contribute creatively on albums --- too bad they were megalo-egomaniacal control freak poser composers .
Well Hackett was kind of the odd man out ever since the days of Selling England, when he and Gabriel would leave the stage for the Cinema Show outro while Mike, Tony, and Phil would jam out for 5 minutes. Same thing would happen with Riding the Scree from The Lamb shows. It's not strange for the vocalist to leave the stage when the band breaks into an instrumental, but it's quite odd that the lead guitar would leave the stage during an instrumental. Kind of tells me that Steve just wasn't really on the same page as the other 3. Steve didn't ever seem confident while with Genesis, it took him leaving to find his confidence as a guitarist and songwriter.
Steve your current Band is stellar. Forget the “three that there where”
Love you Steve
Wouldn't it be great to have Steve as a member of your family/extended family, "Hey Steve - I just bought a guitar and learnt a few chords, will you teach me to play?". And I'm nearly 70 :)
Gabriel had lef so it's down to Tony Banks, isn't it? Genesis were the best 1975-1977. Steve leaving, never the same for me. Loved "Please Don't Touch".Saw him at Liverpool Royal Vourt 1980 on the Defector tour. Amazing. Great guy!
@George Leech clearly declining with Peter? I beg to differ. Decades later, The Lamb is largely considered a creative high watermark over the entire history of the band by countless fans and critics alike. The drop off in sales was nominal and somewhat attributable to the double LP format which was still relatively uncommon and considered a commercial left turn innately, irrespective of the material. If you prefer Post Gabriel Genesis no shame on you. But to claim the classic 5 man line up was 'declining' in terms of creative output is simply not borne out by the facts.
@George Leech your "facts" are as partial, biased and condescending as they come. From a creative standpoint, the band went from "strength to strength" from 1971-1981, with the creative (in terms of progressive) zenith being from 1972-1977. Give it a rest man.
@George Leech wrong again. I love ALL periods of Genesis and don't view any of their lineup or style changes as a "decline", irrespective of the shallow metric of commercial viability.
You're willfully disrespecting the legacy of 2 legendary members with storied careers both in and out of the group by claiming their membership in Genesis was somehow a hindrance... and on a page clearly showcasing the thoughts of one of the aforementioned musicians.
You're the elitist naysayer attempting to rewrite history here, sir. Not me.
He is an idiot.....just the fact that he is 70 and is putting black shoe polish in his hair shows he is a vain idiot.....hey stick with the band and tour and make money for another 40 years...I think Dan Felder of the eagles did the same thing......blah blah blah..."What about my song writing".......
Not being a personal friend but I can only imagine how the band was driven by Tony, stubbornly.
Apparently Mike Rutherford used to have screaming fits of temper if his Hob Nob biscuits weren't aligned in a perfect semi circular shape on the plate.. he famously punched a caterer because his Penguin chocolate biscuits weren't room temperature. The Genesis boys are not to be messed with when it comes to biscuits.
It's strange how he is now playing some of the songs Tony had the most hand in writing.....
Steve has obviously bought the rights for most of that early material, as Gilmore did with Floyd. Since Genesis were clearly not interested (or able) to perform it anymore, it was a wise move. This was the REAL Genesis, and it is important that new listeners are exposed to more than 'Invisible Touch' and 'Land of Confusion'. Tony's chordal arrangements did not necessarily mean he 'wrote' the songs. 'Supper's Ready' and 'The Musical Box' were collaborative and Steve's contributions are what made the difference between 'very good' and 'extraordinary' with all of their early work. After he left, their was an empty chasm in their sound that was never remedied.
@@markjohnson4217 F.O.F its not just a chords progression from Banks ... its everything.
Including the melody of the famous guitar solo by Hackett ... lets be fair with Tony.
@@fernandodeleon7466 Your reference is to Firth of Fifth, which I agree, was written and arranged from piano and keyboards, and yet the highlight of the song is actually the guitar, Steve picks up the melodic theme and then departs from it and brings back ghostly variations of it. But my favorite work by the group has been the songs that have a stronger guitar presence. Especially the material from Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme. The Lamb is great but Tony dominates far too much throughout.
@@markjohnson4217 so you are a guitar guy... that explains a lot.
Anyway, music taste is one of the Most subjetives things in life ...
@@fernandodeleon7466 Not particularly a guitar guy, I love keyboards as well, Emerson, Wakeman and Banks were masterful players and composers who practically defined 70s
prog-rock. But the beauty of the progressive rock 'supergroup' phenomenon was that every musician in the group was strongly showcased. YES was a very good example, King Crimson and Gentle Giant also. When one of those players is being muzzled or pushed aside as mere 'accompanyment', which was happening to Steve in Genesis,
the magic is lost.
To me.. Steve is speaking in the past tense. This is how he felt back then - 76-77.. If he wants to truly answer this question 40+ years later. Does he regret walking away from a band that has made unbelievably enormous amounts of money compared to his solo earnings to date? He should be honest and say.. "Yes.. financially speaking, it was a huge mistake".. If this assumption is wrong? Why did he do Revisited 1+2? To earn "Real" money that his solo Career/Material could never provide!
He played Genesis 70-77 more than Genesis themselves, also some more money in Banks pockets ahah
Fiscally it’s a no-brainer that playing old Genesis sells tickets that would otherwise sit in the box office if he was playing only solo material, but I don’t think he does it just for that reason. But as much as I wonder what personal reasons for leaving that he had (I don’t find his statements satisfying, I believe there’s more to the story), I have never doubted his artistic ones. Has he remained in Genesis and gotten more of his ideas into their songs, they’d be a different band and it’s not a given that they would have become so huge. Would Collins have stepped up as a songwriter himself when Hackett was around fulfilling that role? That’s the pertinent question. Genesis needed Collins to step up more because Banks and Rutherford were shouldering a burden that used to be shared by four members. That’s the real story behind their change in musical direction, not the “sellout” claim some bitter fans of early Genesis like to state.
@@US_ARMY_25_INF._DIV. I have to disagree with you concerning Don Felder. I read his book. He was forced to quit Eagles because Henley & Frey changed his equal 1/4 share to 1/8th just before the '96 tour. They signed a contract when he joined, then thought "We're the Stars" take or it leave it.
Well.. he sued and won! - The settlement was never made public. Truth be told.. Henley/Frey were jealous of Felder because back in the late '70's, Felder invested his money in huge Cali - real-estate while the others were too busy partying.. He was worth more than Henley/Frey put together when he was forced to quit.
@@US_ARMY_25_INF._DIV. Wrong! Felder was on the Hell Freezes Over - Reunion Tour 1994!
It's been clear all along that Banks has been the domineering and competitive element, and that increased significantly after Peter left. He already forced Peter's hand, getting more control in the process. Mike and Phil were/are easy-going, but also less creative, so it came head-to-head in the creativity department b/w Steve and Tony, with the latter demanding control of what made it to the albums. So he forced Steve's hand as well, and finally achieved full control.
That's the main reason I believe although Steve is too polite to say it in so many words. The fact that he continues to perform the early songs while the other members turned their back on them other than their unsatisfying medleys, indicates to me he was the heart of Genesis.
He is an idiot.....just the fact that he is 70 and is putting black shoe polish in his hair shows he is a vain idiot.....hey stick with the band and tour and make money for another 40 years...I think Dan Felder of the eagles did the same thing......blah blah blah..."What about my song writing".......
I don’t think that’s accurate. Gabriel’s departure had a lot of different causes, both from himself and from relations with the band. Keep in mind that Lamb was created in the service of Gabriel’s vision, the one time this would happen in their history. It’s why that album is so different that it’s possible to listen to their albums in order, skip The Lamb, and not realize you’re missing an album (they went right back to Selling England as a starting point for Trick of the Tail). So if anyone had become domineering, it was Gabriel. He would later say that he enjoyed leading things and that was another impetus for leaving Genesis).
@@MDK2_Radio Peter's life became more involved with his family, and Banks (more than the rest of the band) pressured him to focus more on the band, which Peter ultimately couldn't do, and so he left. It's all detailed in the great book "I Know What I Like".
@@gurgisjones1120 that’s part of it, yes. But not all. I first read the story in “The Book of Genesis” in the mid 80s (it was published when the self-titled LP was their most recent) and it’s remained consistent since then - the ultimatum over his working with William Friedkin, the growing resentment over the perception that Genesis was Peter’s project, the insensitivity shown Peter when his wife and first child endured a difficult delivery that endangered them both. But Gabriel hinted that he also enjoyed leading the creative process during the making of The Lamb and was loathe to return to the committee process (and ironically, since this video is about Hackett’s departure, “songwriting by committee” is a phrase he has used when describing what he was unhappy about).
Hasn't Tony Banks been writing music in a more classical vein? I understand that Gramaphone magazine waxed lyrical about some of his stuff (don't ask me what, though!). I think he once said that he prefers writing to performing. Any comments, anyone?
I think so, particularly given his recent solo work; I believe he also mentioned about his preference for writing too so yeah
He is an idiot.....just the fact that he is 70 and is putting black shoe polish in his hair shows he is a vain idiot.....hey stick with the band and tour and make money for another 40 years...I think Dan Felder of the eagles did the same thing......blah blah blah..."What about my song writing".......
He's the Genesis version of Mick Taylor.
Pretty much. But I don't think Taylor ever brought anything from scratch, he took an idea from the others and made it bloom, he should have had co-writer credits, the way Genesis operated.
It is such contrast to atmosphere which Rush had.
RUSH FTW!
They stopped being Genesis a long time ago! That was obvious. I much prefer your own work and you are filling venues with Genesis Revisited. That speaks volumes! My deepest and sincerest respects for not selling out!
There's one thing in life that is unchangeable and that is
You cannot please everyone.
Tony continued to give Phil crap for not having enough chords in his solo songs, even after his solo success. You just have to have thick skin around Tony it appears. I'm sure Steve did, but I'm sure he was tired of the constant hand to the face. I get it. Creating music is supposed to be fun.
After watching several interviews with Tony Banks, I began to suspect Tony was the reason for Peter and Steve leaving the band. In one of the interviews they asked Tony to name one thing he didn't like about Phil. Would you believe Tony went as far as saying he didn't like Phil being so short. Can you believe that? Like Phil has any control on his height. Just goes to show the pettiness of Tony Banks.
Steve was a great guitarist for genesis not so much of a song writer said so himself. They made two great albums after P.G left should have stayed for another. I get you want to your own stuff if P.C could have a gigantic solo career and stay in the band Steve could have to. Ask yourself if his solo stuff is so important to him why has he been doing all genesis stuff on tour $$$$$$ . Genesis is a great band old new they changed with the time's and lasted for 50 years. Listen and enjoy its all good
He does love the early Genesis stuff you know... it isn't all about the money.
Steve was forced out. On stage he was their equal, but in the recording studio, he was a second class player who was bullied. He had to leave eventually, so as to maintain some self respect.........
He is an idiot.....just the fact that he is 70 and is putting black shoe polish in his hair shows he is a vain idiot.....hey stick with the band and tour and make money for another 40 years...I think Dan Felder of the eagles did the same thing......blah blah blah..."What about my song writing".......
You know, I like Steve, but the "downfall of Genesis" was anything but. It ceased being competitive and became almost entirely collaborative after he left. Where has been the tension between Tony, Mike and Phil over who gets the most material used? There is none. I understand he was frustrated because his stuff didn't get embraced or used by the band as much as the other guys, but it wasn't a matter of the band itself being an unhealthy creative environment. It was a matter of one guy not being on the same page with the others. Fine and good for Steve that he decided to go off on his own. It was best for everyone.
You've obviously settled for second best, without even knowing it. I drive an old car, I live in a tumbled down house, I buy second hand clothes in charity shops, (Im a scruff bag). Im anything but extravagant with electronic toys and gadgets, and I don't care what anybody thinks about any of that. But I listen to the most imaginative, creative music from the last 500 years, and that excludes the banality of 1980s Genesis. And I believe that I've got my priorities spot on................
I agree, started listening from the 80s don't have money to buy album since still in school and my father not into music and no budget exist in buying records, so i only listen to the radio.. After I have money I backtrack buying older record.. To me genesis at best in 80s (my younger self listen to that tracks in fond memories) and the old albums all good but don't backup with younger memories..
I preferred Genesis with Hackett to Genesis without, but you’re right. The first two records without him were still strong. No, they didn’t have that Hackett touch but I think any fan of what came immediately prior to his departure should find something to like in what came immediately after. Duke in particular holds up well.
One thing that I think a lot of Hackett fans don’t see is that prog was a spent force by 1980. If you look at the landscape Genesis were hardly the one group to have gone for a simpler style. Asia is a prog supergroup but not a prog band at all. Yes’ 90125 record was a huge seller. Rush left behind album-side length songs by 1979 and songs much over five minutes in length by 1982. The Police was a band consisting entirely of prog musicians who failed to get their careers off the ground in prog groups. It would take an entirely new generation with new musical influences to bring prog back and that would come much later.
@@MDK2_Radio I disagree. The band members stopped fighting to have their music included, and just let Banks take over. One of the rerasons both Collins and Rutherford went off and had their own solo careers was so they could make their own music. Banks' attempts at solo albums were by and large awful, so he needed to keep Genesis going. I think one of the sadest things I have seen is them wheeling Phil Collins out and performing as Genesis, when the guy is obviously not up to it and his voice is just not there. It was like watching an episode of South Park. I'd rather remember him prancing round the stage like the artful dodger, than some moneymaking final tour.
@@philiptennant732 given that some 80s Genesis songs are virtually indistinguishable from Phil’s solo material (e.g. Man on the Corner) that seems unlikely that Banks took over. The fact that he pursued a solo career (and I agree with your take) is further evidence against that. What need would he have for that if he had free reign in Genesis?
Nothing new on this statement. Steve had always made very clear why he left. Tony Banks always managed very well to overlap his ideas. Steve as a prolific composer (more than Phil and Mike) couldn’t stand it for longer.
HEY 🥰 SO WHAT WAS THE QUESTION!!!!
Steve Giving us Gabriel era fan’s what we want.
Steve’s latest tour is superb, the genesis tour, less so, a lot less
Hackett is a tribute band
By playing the music that he co-wrote? How does that work?
@@olderbutnowiser6701 Why he does not play his own albums then? Cause nobody cares
@@elinodoroquehabla just seen Hackett live, his first set IS HIS own material, the second set is all Genesis stuff. You don't know what you are talking about.
Just your opinion.
Still not quite sure WHY he left...was it purely personal..? The remaining 3 members have felt able to pursue solo careers - with varying measures of success - while keeping Genesis 'alive'....it obviously wasn't 'musical differences'...as Steve has played a succssion of 'themed' Genesis concerts when he's toured - virtually every year....
He left because what he was writing wasn't being used much.
It's All out there 'Why he left' as well as 'Why Gabriel left'. Didn't you listen to this interview?!
Back then, none of them had released a Solo album. Hackett was the very 1st member to do a Solo album "Voyage of the Acolyte" in late 1975.
Up to then, the songs or music ideas that he brought to the band were usually shot down, primarily by Tony Banks, who everybody that's an early Genesis follower knows was the ultimate 'gatekeeper' for what songs got selected for Genesis albums.
When Hackett says @:12 he ran up against "brick walls", he means Tony Banks primarily & Mike Rutherford.
I think he left because his personality no longer fit with the band. He seems the kind of person who stews things in his mind rather than speaks his mind, and that’s why his departure took everyone by surprise when they could all see Gabriel’s coming from miles away. I can see Banks being a frustrating person to deal with, it’s part of why Gabriel left though Gabriel had also outgrown the band, in terms of ego and artistry both. But Banks really brought great music to Wind & Wuthering and that album’s final form is well balanced. Knowing the Hackett material that was rejected, I wouldn’t include any of it myself, even though I like all of it better than Your Own Special Way. They probably handled it undiplomatically and he decided that enough was enough. But since he didn’t talk it out or say look, I’m on the verge of quitting over this, I think it’s why he seems to still feel raw about it 44 years later. I think it’s a shame.
@@MDK2_Radio You explained it beautifully! They should've had you as the band's shrink. Lol
When has Genesis ever publicly denounced Steve though? Tony and Mike especially seem to always have nice things to say about Steve's playing and songwriting contributions to the band.
In interviews repeatedly over the years, Tony has bad-mouthed Steve (not as a person, but claiming Steve demanded for too much). Tony has always had a cold side to him, and played a role in Peter leaving too. Tony's the competitive one Steve's referring too, just not by name.
@@gurgisjones1120 Steve also implied that Tony had done the same to Peter when he was still in the band.
All members, Tony included, have had nothing but good things to say about Steve. Tony acknowledged that Hackett was the most skilled musician upon joining and he inspired everyone to step up their game, something that’s obvious when you play Trespass and Nursery Cryme back to back. (Though obviously Phil was a huge improvement behind the kit as well.)
The band dynamic that Steve and Phil found was one where the others tended to have heated rows to settle disagreements. Steve’s not that kind of person. I don’t know, but I imagine that 1971-75, Gabriel probably took up the cause of arguing for Steve, as he’s on record stating that he always had to reign in Tony’s tendencies to overindulge the instrumental breaks. Now, Gabriel’s absence wasn’t a problem during Trick of the Tail because Steve admitted having no music to contribute because he just had made his first solo LP. He was happy to just be the guitar player - his words. But by W&W he had fresh ideas, but could only get some onto the record. Was it because he couldn’t fight for himself the way Peter did? Perhaps. Did Mike and Phil go along with this? Probably - it was the dynamic that had worked on five previous albums. Frustrating? Sure. But I don’t think up and quitting was the only path open to Steve. I think it was just the easiest.
I don't usually spend much time on this particular subject matter..but out of curiosity I watched a lot of interviews.
It's such a touchy subject and difficult to draw conclusions. For example...a lot of Genesis fans tend to blame Tony Banks for Steve Hackett's departure..however...on two or three interviews with Tony Banks in recent years he compliments Steve Hackett a lot. I also get the impression that he loves Steve Hackett as a person and a player and that he was hurt when he left Genesis. He probably misses Steve Hackett. Even though Tony Banks can come across as a perfectionist and spoiled by having his own way...he probably misses Steve or was hurt when he left.
He has stated several times that Steve Hackett was a better player than himself regarding improvisation and that Steve and Phil were on a higher level regarding technique.
I don't think Banks dislikes Hackett. He's pretty honest and ranks Steve Hackett as a magnificent player. ...it doesn't always make sense what Genesis fans say
There will always be a lot of controversy around Genesis. They are a beloved band of mine and I can see both sides. I am a huge fan of the Peter Gabriel years, they produced so many great pieces of music. (I hesitate to call them "songs" as it doesn't do them justice.) When Gabriel left, there was a huge shift of dynamics in the band, with Collins coming to the fore and gradually domionating the song writing. Trick of the Tail, Wind and Wuthering tried their hardest to stay in the Gabriel mold, but failed. They were good albums but lacked the imagination and surreal lyricism of Peter Gabriel. But when Hackett left they lost the musical giant of the band. This is why they gradually drifted into writing shorter pop songs. And Then there were Three, and Duke still clung onto to some of the musical threads that used to be Genesis, but after scoring single hits with Follow you, Follow Me, and Turn It On Again, it was all over. From there on in they just chased top ten hits, and although they produced some great songs along the way, Collins satirical and more personal lyrics were more suited top the pop charts. Jesus He knows Me, Land Of Confusion, Abacab, No Son of Mine, Illegal Alien. All great songs, but prog rock? Nah!
Prog was spent as a genre by 1980 and Genesis was spent as a prog band by that point as well. Losing Hackett wasn’t the death blow to that part of Genesis that some fans tend to think it is, because there’s still excellent prog works on Then There Were Three and Duke, though it has to be admitted that it didn’t help. But if you look at the prog landscape of the late 70s, most of the bands were changing because they all had taken it as far as they could, and in some cases it was crossing the line into unintentional self-parody. I think the only old school prog musicians who kept making challenging music in the 80s was King Crimson, and they had had a nice 7 year break from the action. It was still heavily influenced by newer trends thanks to Adrian Belew, but other prog musicians also were making simpler songs (simpler in form but not musicianship) in the 80s. It wasn’t just Genesis.
Collins didn’t write Land of Confusion and no one is claiming any of the tracks you mention were prog rock . Why can’t folk just enjoy what they like and if it’s not for them move on . I can happily listen to all eras of Genesis music without fretting about how “commercial “ they sound . PG also enjoyed a good deal of success with non prog rock . Don’t hear any criticism of him .
@@Reactor-hl9bc I didn't state I didn't like the songs, in fact I said they had some great songs. It wasn't a critisism, just a statement of fact. I saw them live with Collins a few times around the "...And Then There Were Three" and "Duke" tours and they always put on a good show. Although you say no one refers to those songs as prog rock, by and large Genesis are still look on as a prog rock band. I always have many songs from both eras of the band on my playlist, but from a personnal point of view I prefer the more guitar oriented sound when Hackett was with the band and it would have been ionteresting to see how they would have developed if he'd stayed. From all the interviews I've seen, from all members of the band, it is apparent Tony Banks is the one who was pushing to get his songs included and putting peoples noses out of joint. He just about says as much in the reunion documentory with Gabriel and Collins being interviewed with the rest of the band.
@George Leech Music too
@@Spock105 What would you cut from it? I could do without Carpet Crawlers and Anyway.
Can't wait to see you tour again, I caught your show in NJ right before Covid hit and it was fantastic!
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Phil was hoping he would have stayed. Cause he offered to give him a ride & Steve wasn't interested
The story has been told a lot. Hackett thought as 25% of the band he should get 25% of his songs on the albums. The guys didnt think what he was bringing to the band was up to snuff . He had just done a solo album where he could put what he wanted on it with no interference. He rather liked that. He was pissed off Wot Gorilla made it on WW rather than one of his cuts ( though I personally love Wot Gorilla) . The person most responsible or putting up the greatest fight against ( or strongest opinion im guessing ) of Steve's stuff was Tony which has been made clear over the years. From the birth of the band on , theyve all been pretty clear that it was tough, there wasnt much massaging of egos and brutal honesty of each others work was the way they conducted business . I love Steve's contributions to the band but dont think his solo stuff is very good . I personally think Ant's solo work is the BEST out of any of the members and most like Genesis . At the end of the day, Steve decided to move on and thats that.
Did you listen Spectral morning?
Genesis really needed all five guys. Trick of tbe Tail and Wind and Wuthering were terrific
Albums but without Gabriel it felt a bit too safe snd pretty. The spooky cobwebs and meddlesome hobgoblins were noticeably absent. LOL
But my biggest issue with the post-Hackett era was the missing bass guitar.. Someone decided that the Taurus pedals were a suitable substitute so slmost every track from Duke onwards is synths, electric piano, bass pedals....and a thin little guitar track from Mike buried in tbere somewhere...
Never underestimate the clubbiness of public schoolboys. As a mere grammar school boy, I've encountered work and social situations whereby ex-public school identifies ex-public school and they form a corral about them to the exclusion of others. It is a very effective unspoken language. Banks and Rutherford formed a lifelong bond at Charterhouse, which has sustained their immense success. Though both appear very decent people, I can see that anyone perceived as upsetting the apple cart had a battle on, which I guess is what Steve encountered.
Spot on. Its the 'old pals act'. Mike could have reined in Tony, and might even have curtailed some of his ego excesses behind the scenes, but there was a "bond" of loyalty between those two that is never discussed. Outsiders had no chance of coming between them. Peter had numerous rows with Tony, but they were equals, and Tony worshipped Peter, and sought his respect. Steve and Phil were outsiders, Phil a lot more confident and self assertive than Steve, who was naturally shy, and needed encouragement, but these were all incredibly ambitious young men, especially but not exclusively that of Peter, and when you're part of the public school culture of 'us and them' (no Pink Floyd pun intended), which members of Genesis have spent the last 50 years publicly trying to rebel against, unsuccessfully in my opinion, some might get left behind, and even trampled on. And that was Steve.
It still offers me so much amusement, that Peter Gabriel has taken thousands of side swipes at the public school system, since writing those letters to the NME under an initial pseudonym in 1973, but he is nevertheless, the archetypal ex public school boy. A liberal, sympathetic, humanitarian elitist, on the one hand, but an incredibly, personally ambitious multi millionaire on the other. Peter grew up with money, and he likes it. He left Genesis to further his ambitions of stardom, which he thought best to pursue outside the band, as he realised the media would always denigrate prog rock, and he was well aware that although the band were full of brilliant musicians, none were on his intellectual level.
Unfortunately a lot of commentators on here, especially Americans, have little knowledge on how socially divisive the public school system was in the 1960s. The film 'If', from 1968 might have been an exaggeration, but the ethos is probably well represented by it.
Steve was forced out, and I've never been of any other opinion since I heard the fateful news in 1977, and that was that between Genesis and me. Its been only memories since, and the music...........!
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Wow! deceitfully insightful commentary there, mate. I hadn't seen that way but it absolutely makes all the sense in the world. Interesting food for thought there.
@@artrandy Once Gabriel left it shifted the balance and Steve had to face two to one odds. It's interesting that I Know What I Like came out of a jam between Steve and Phil while the Cinema Show solo was the work of Tony and Mike. That's probably a representation of how they worked in the studio. Since Phil didn't contribute to the writing he probably remained neutral at best. He knew he'd play a role no matter which songs were chosen but deferred to the original members. So it turned out to be three against one, in effect.
@@scifiwriter98 I agree, the balance of power shifted after Peter left, when Tony could concentrate his ire at someone else, (Steve) rather than fight Peter, and the latter was no longer there to strike a note of fairness within the band. Phil was well aware that a drum machine wouldn't be replacing him, so he was safe to get on with his business, but Tony had the ambition to replace Steve's guitar with his bloody synthesizers. Coming to the band with fully 'finished' songs, with the keyboard parts written in indelible ink, Tony was the writing mainstay of the band after Peter left, and Phil probably felt he should stick with Tony, he wanted an easy life. And in Genesis, an easy life mean't giving in to Tony.
I have a theory that Tony eventually matured and realised that he caused unnecessary ructions within the band, but I might be wrong. For all of Tony's brilliance, he had 'social problems'. It amuses me that we all talk about members of Genesis like we know them personally, and Im sure that curiosity will occasionally lead them to have a look at the comments about themselves, so Tony, if you're reading this, how old were you when you stopped wetting the bed...........?
@@artrandy So true. It's funny how often I find myself thinking about the band and their squabbles and wish I could give Tony a good talking to. 😁
look at collins solo career, at peters solo career, at steves solo career
and then at tony`s solo career
well.....
I never really appreciated what Steve brought to the band until well after he left and then some, as I didnt think he was that technically proficient, even though he added some tastey nuances to the music...after hearing Genesis live after he left and listening folks gushing about how much better Streumer was than Steve...I listened a bit more closely and noticed a huge hole in Genesis and developed a huge appreciation for Steve, I never had before!! When I hear Steve playing old Genesis vs current Genesis there is a huge gap in the sound...Steve's sound really added the layers that made Genesis Genesis...listening to Streumer strumming all over the songs..killed the signature sound that Steve added to things like Carpet Crawlers, Firth of Fifth, Cinema Show and so many others...he brought the touch that gave the music it's amazing dynamics!! Anybody can rip unmelodically over a song and kill it's delicate balance..but it takes a musical genius to know what sounds to add, giving just the right colour to make the picture perfect...the same goes for the Trevor Rabin vs Steve Howe...neither fill in guitarist can compare to the Creative signature sounds that these two awesome guitar players did to make Genesis; Genesis and Yes; Yes.
I think Steve has done nearly 40 classical guitar albums and not technically proficient? Can you play an instrument? Only saw him live once at Reading Festival, 79 or 80 when he did an afternoon performance and was brilliant. really chilled crowd relaxing in the August sunshine and the song Clocks still sticks in my mind at 60 yrs old.
@@paulmorgan8254 Yes. At the time I was listening to Steve Hackette play with Genesis, he did not sound technically proficient...he didn't have Steve Howe's chops and some of his solos sounded a bit awkward, which I just figured was just his style...but within the mix of Genesis it blended with the style exceptionally well...Even recently, I saw Steve playing Genesis Revisited or Cruise To The Edge and while it sounded like the true authentic Genesis sound, which I absolutely love and moves me like no other...hence my earlier comment regarding the current Genesis playing old Genesis vs Steve playing Old Genesis..whereas his versions are true to the classic old Genesis sound...however, when he started riffing at the end of Suppers Ready..it sounded a lot like signature bits I'd heard him do whenever he jammed or was riffing on UA-cam and it was pretty much the same old, same old and not very technically proficient in sound like say a Ritchie Blackmore who sounds like a virtuoso with all the classical nuances...also, in the way he would mostly play with 2 fingers and play notes along a single string vs other strings in the same voicing, which has lent to a style unique to him including the hammer on technique he used before Van Halen used it....now as for classical albums, I never heard any if his stuff except a recent one, which was absolutely incredible and thought I was listening to Paco DeLucia or Al Dimeola...phenomenal! So my comments regarding Steve's technical proficiency was more of an aural and visual observation from that time period...he's certainly come a long way and has vastly improved, unlike many musicians who reach a plateau and tend to enter into Stagnation...but not Steve...and as for a 2 finger player, it's really not fair to judge since Djano Reinhardt is arguably one of the best guitarists of all time and he played with only his 1st 2 fingers!!
@@maureyrca agreed about Django Reinhardt, listen to him play Sweet Georgia Brown. Steve Howe maybe brilliant, myself and my brothers made a click on the Relayer album lifting the tone arm to replay where he did that awesome guitar solo but apart from The Yes Album most of it was unlistenable for me I would rather have listened to Greenslade from that period of time with no guitars. Rutherford used to complain about playing second fiddle to Hackett and the change to Genesis after he left is like what happened to Fleetwood Mac after Peter Green. I prefer the earlier Gabriel era Genesis but one of my favourite albums is Then There Were Three when they started on the road to shorter more pop orientated songs. I only saw Genesis live once on the Abacab tour ( I think ) and I was bored, I think mostly because the crowd was seated and not getting very excited and I had the same thing seeing Mike Oldfield live - audio perfect like on your Hi Fi but boring. I prefer the guitar orientated rock concerts where the crowd is encouraged to interact and then you have Pink Floyd and no one comes close to their live shows for me.
@@paulmorgan8254 Yes. Steve Howe was/is brilliant and definitely brought an element to Yes that made Yes, Yes! Just like Hackett with Genesis. And the Gabriel era was definitely their most signature era. In my opinion the albums they did right after a member left was their best for that period. A Trick Of The Tail was definitely my most favourite post Gabriel album, though Wind and Wuthering had some good songs too but didn't really do it for me. ATOTT was apparently clips and songs that didn't make it onto other albums and Phil did a pretty good job at trying to be ethereal Gabriel in his lyric writing as there's definitely magical dreamy stuff going on or legendary things like the Squonk...The Album cover brilliantly covers all the themes in the song with it's Dickens/Victoria feel...And Then There Were Three was amazingly produced and certainly put them more in a commercial direction. I saw Genesis a few times with Steve Hackett, Post Gabriel and really enjoyed it...I also, saw the And Then Three Were Three tour at the Stadium(1st time outside an arena). The Venue was amazing and featured Max Webster and Brand X(A jazz fusion band Phil Colins worked with, being the workaholic that he was)...Great show!! Saw the Duke Tour as well and really tried to get into it but had a tough time with the album, even though they had some good pieces on it...I basically fell off the bus after Grab-a-Cab, which I thought was a good song but never bother picking up the album...since I never got to see the Gabriel era, being too young...I was so happy that The Musical Box from Montreal reproduced the original shows commemorating the 20th anniversary when they first played in Quebec in 1973 and faithfully reproduced the shows with the original props, costumes, stage lighting, equipment and song lists that Genesis did back then. They obtained the endorsement and equipment from Genesis too...Amazing show, if you ever wanted to see and feel what it was like...same stories and actions too...a complete replication from that era...I've seen both the Foxtrot and Selling England By The Pound Tours but have yet to see the Trespass and LLDOB tours...I also saw the Trick of the Tail Tour where they played White Mountain from Tresspass, which was really good...Their last tour was Genesis Extravaganza Tour in 2018...unfortunately I don't see anymore but hey a 25 year run doing 1971-1975 Genesis Gabriel years is pretty amazing...but then Hackett started doing Genesis Revisited Tours from around 2012 and got to catch one in 2015 which was amazing and solidified my impression of the level of tonal texture that Steve Brought to the band, which Genesis has never matched since his departure, in my opinion...As for Floyd what can I say...incredible...I've never seen them in concert but managed to catch an AussieFloyd show the night before seeing The Musical Box, which was amazing...faithfully nailed the sound and stage show of Pink Floyd...I'm so glad that people have preserved this classic timeless music and faithfully reproduced it for the younger generation...in Montreal, I was floored to see all the young kids there 15+ years enjoying the music amidst the Geriatric Hippies...LOL!!
@@maureyrca I hope in my lifetime as technology is advancing as rapidly as it is that they can come up with a brain interface so they can extract concerts I've been to and share them with the rest of the world from seeing Tangerine Dream at 14yrs old then ACDC first tour of the UK a year later and the bands I saw in small nightclubs before they made it big like Def Leppard, Iron Maiden etc. I stood 1 ft in front of Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders before they made it big (brilliant concert) and now years later living in Thailand I have a friend who was in school with their guitarist James Honeyman-Scott. In the UK punk and metal crossed over so I would have punk friends and bump into them at metal concerts and vice versa at punk concerts but I hated the spitting at punk concerts. For me now I hate how much more music has been commercialised and not seeing bands in smaller venues and how expensive it has become to see bands (thank you elon musk). Maurey I think we are from a lucky generation, sometimes I wish I was born a bit earlier talking to friends about 10 yrs older but I've seen great concerts of my generation but one of my highlights was seeing Tower of Power supported by Average White Band at The Fillmore West in the mid 90's, I reckon we could talk shit for hours over a few beers, it's coming up to 3am here need to stop rabbiting.
Steve, now if you had gone to Charterhouse (or any other public school for that matter) all would be revealed. Well, perhaps not all, but certainly a fair amount :)....
Not quite Charterhouse maybe, but he didn't exactly slum it at the local rough-arsed comprehensive either.
I can vouch for this as an ex public school pupil (not Charterhouse) regarding the language alone! We had our own special words and meanings which I took ages to grow out of when I left and which were incomprehensible to "outsiders". Not intentionally snobby --just exclusive to that establishment.
We all know why Peter and Steve left. But most of us don't see the point of going there. The important thing is we know.
The thing is, and I can't imagine it any different, Genesis was always Tony's and Mike's band....you can hear it from the very beginning...is there any doubt with the keyboard/guitar layers and orchestrations in every Genesis song? You can take Tony Banks to the bank for delivering much the same even after Hackett, up until Abacab..afterwards they were just a pop band (though big props to Genesis for pulling off something like Mama so late in their career),.. the friction in the band did cause some amazing work to appear, and I only saddened by the fact Banks/Hackett have not written anything together in 40 years...A lot of guys will take the easier road away from confrontation in bands...and while the success breeds the contempt somehow, the music world is better for it. Think of what Comfortably Numb would have been if Waters and Gilmour were the best of chums? lol Blood on the Roof Tops? I still wonder what world that came from it's that good, was that easy to collaborate on or a chore?
Steve implies stuff, but doesn't say it outright. He left the band without even telling the rest of the group.
Typical
I agree, he’s too reticent when he hasn’t any real reason to be. Everyone knows everything about Peter Gabriel’s departure but I’m sure there’s more to Hackett’s than has been told.
@@MDK2_Radio But in both cases, Tony was being a jerk and Phil and Mike went along with it. I wouldn't have told them either. They never told Steve about the Genesis 'reunion' that he wasn't invited to. How dysfunctional is that??Tony was just too much of a control freak. Such a shame.
@@MDK2_Radio Peter Gabriel has never been honest about leaving Genesis!! He left the band because he thought his ambitions for stardom could be best served outside of prog rock, which had never elicited the kind of respect from media intellectual types that he craved and thought he needed. Please don't be fooled by the personna that Peter has quietly cultivated for himself over the last 50 years. Its no coincidence that Peter became an internationally recognised artist, he always intended it to be 'so' (pun intended)..........
Steve's being a gentleman and not calling out Tony Banks (that is considered an honorable trait in England). If you're a fan though, and do you're research, you can easily see what happened. With Peter out of the way (from impossible demands from Tony), Tony had a stronger say, and then it came down to him and Steve, and Steve's a nice guy to not go into battle like competitive Banks, in a losing situation.
@@artrandy and you have an infallible download of his internal motives, egoic drives and unspoken animus how?? What a ludicrously cynical theory.
I couldn't Hackett !
First time i'm annoyed at Steve, just say it as it is man, or don't say anything, ITS BEEN 40 YEARS.
It’s you!
Why so sour about Steve answering the question every journalist will always ask him?
Also, the 3 stooges won, made loads of money, and in the end, they'll be remembered as the guys who sold out.
Steve doesn’t have to keep answering questions he’s been asked before. Just saying.
@@rael2099 Are you a Genesis fan or an Steve Hackett fan? How did you even discover Steve in the first place?
It was supposed to have been realized that competitiveness eventually comes to an end where another approach becomes necessary, usually cooperation. I'll guess this was missed by whoever was driving the competition. The imbalance always precipitates the dissolution.
C'mon Steve! Embrace your gray!
The irony is that at the end of 1978 the remaining three members of the band went off to work on solo projects before returning to record the album Duke in 1980. With the success of Phil Collins album Face Value the musical direction of the band changed and Rutherford and Banks became little more than backing musicians to Collins and the musical direction he was heading - for obvious commerical reasons. I've always thought Tony Banks has resented the commercial success of the other members of the band, with his own solo efforts disappearing without trace.
It's karma for the way he treated Steve.
He is an idiot.....just the fact that he is 70 and is putting black shoe polish in his hair shows he is a vain idiot.....hey stick with the band and tour and make money for another 40 years...I think Dan Felder of the eagles did the same thing......blah blah blah..."What about my song writing".......
and then there were none, sad
There was a ridiculous hierarchy in Genesis.
The Rolling Stones are a shining example of a "collaborative" band.
Unpopular opinion: Steve should have never left the Genesis. This band was great because Tony and Steve could balance one another out. Their sounds completed each other. After they went their own ways, both of them sounded so monodimentional
The bad part about Steves story is that if he had just stuck it out for one more album, once Tony and Mike were doing their own albums, they were far less dogmatic on getting their stuff on. They all admit they were dicks, these were upper class brits from private school. The fact they made music AT ALL is a strange twist of fate.
Tonys' insecurities have been well documented, as Steve says here, having the hit made everybody's hair stand up. In a 'competitive' environment thats to be expected. After their solo stuff they became much more collaborative and relaxed and Steve could have been part of that.
So it was timing. In interviews everybody claims Pete was fine with Phil singing lead on a couple songs, all of a sudden as Pete is 'becoming the face of the band' then Lamb comes along and Pete wants to do all the lyrics, story, and singing. Odd that. Also after Steve getting the 'hit' on Selling England, then Lamb comes along and you hardly hear a guitar. Thats Tony.
But then NEXT album when Tony says the band was up in the air and they needed stuff, Steve was off doing his solo album, just when his input was NEEDED. But then he did come up with Blood on the Rooftops. Wind and Wuthering is the big standout, because thats so keyboard dominated and so much Tony, so thats the straw the broke Steves back. He was just getting nothing in, and that was likely Tony thinking that Steve had his chance.
So all this was just bad timing, which often happens. But also a lot of upper class british belligerence, which we can criticize from afar, but it was that belligerence that kept them making music during the seventies, and GREAT music during the seventies when MOST people were telling them it sucks and they should go back to school.
But people forget that FIrth of fifth was Tony saying that he had 'lots of bits' he wanted in different songs, but everybody told him he had ONE song to get it all out. Phil says they were 'steamrolled into playing firth of fifth'. Thats Tony, but then Tony put After the Ordeal, a song he hated, as well as anything else. Meanwhile Pete took their Battle of Epping Forest and put lyrics over ALL of it. That was Pete 'sticking it to Tony'.
And frankly thats what helped make a whole boatload of really interesting music. But it is too bad that it wasnt more of a jam band and more collaborative, because it would have been cool to see ALL these very talented people work together. Even Pete ran out of juice after Security.
Genesis plotted their own downfall as a group when they became the 'Phil Collins Band' and added brass to their sound! Now that Phil is poorly, Mike and Tony KNOW this really is the Last Domino for Genesis post-Hackett.
@George Leech Agreed. Millionaires when they SOLD OUT to make pop hits to survive the Punk and New Wave era. It wasn't a question of survival when they failed to promote I Know What I like on TOTP in 1974 as Prog was at its height.
@George Leech True, WOMAD was ill-conceived and lost a lot of money and was saved by a pop group that played all the OLD Prog stuff that Hackett plays today. I know, I was there. Didn't happen again, did it? And they've been playing 90% of 80s material ever since.
@George Leech I was in that stadium where Phil was apologetic for playing something 'very old' (In The Cage) to an audience that may have walked out in the middle of Supper's Ready had they played it. As Bowie would say, it turned into a Phil Collins crowd that just wanted to hear the hits. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between their music of the 70s to that which was played for commercial reasons in the 80s, the same stuff they played in 2007 and again this year.
@@garymartin6802 Bands can’t keep churning out the same style of music year after year. They need to change and try new stuff, or they become bored.
Kool and The Gang were the same in the 1970s. They were sublime jazz players who evolved into a 1980s pop hit machine like Genesis. To survive, you need to change.......or end up like the dinosaurs!
And try this 1974 jazz instrumental from Kool and the Gang, equal to anything by Genesis in the 70s!
ua-cam.com/video/2SFt7JHwJeg/v-deo.html
@George Leech Says it all really. No wonder Gabriel didn't want to know about a reunion and Hackett wasn't even asked. The casual fans made Phil, Mike and Tony millionaires. Even so, I'd prefer to hear something beautiful like Fountain Of Salmacis played again than dross like Invisible Touch for the umpteenth time.
As Tony Smith said Genesis was Tony's solo band. As we all know Tony didn't do well on his own albums. Though his influence took a demanding role in Genesis he had the best artists to work with,otherwise it wouldn't have worked. You jam,pick the best bits and build a song. Unfortunately Steve's were less used. I admire him for that,staying true to what "He loved". You write what you feel and those who love it will follow. Otherwise your just pandering. Not the sign of a great artist as Steve is.
Whether or not Tony Smith said that, that’s ridiculous.
Tony said it on the "Come Rain or Shine" documentary
Songs like I Know What I Like and the Cinema Show solo grew out of jams. But they also employed putting together bits of music that each contributed, such as on Suppers Ready. Then there were song demos that members would present to the group who would then vote on it. One of the rare Banks songs that was voted down was Mad Man Moon, which appeared on Trick of the Tail years after it was written. A rarity for him, apparently.
I always loved Steve Hackett as guitar player, but someone should tell him that his haircut is horrible.
He couldn't Hackett?
Top notch.
'more competitive than collaborative' interesting...
Steve seems so normal but I've suspected who the real whole in Genesis is for years and though he's brilliant me think it is Tony Banks,just saying!
They were so brilliant, the what could of . Kinda like what if the Beatles had Led Zeppelin's sound system?
genesis' sound changed more when Hackett left than when Gabriel left ...
too bad Steve took with him the only Les Paul in the studio..
Strange, but it wasn’t till I saw one particular documentary about Genesis where Tony Banks was really getting shirty about something that the group were doing, and I realised what a control freak Banks was. Very talented, but I saw then that he could be a real pain to work with and not such as pleasant a character as one might think
Where is that documentary? It's sad that the Steve Hackett channels have the "slag off Tony in the comments section" videos. Steve's not doing that himself by any means.
Very fidgety isn't he? Always a sign that someone isn't being entirely truthful, according to experts in human behaviour (of which I'm not one, I hasten to add!). I've always found it strange that since Steve Hackett left the band in 1977, purportedly to pursue a solo career rather than make the compromises expected of a band member, there's not been one bit of publicity material issued on his behalf that doesn't highlight him as a previous member of Genesis. Not one. Peter Gabriel, on the other hand, has never used his previous job as a crutch for his solo career. Nor Phil Collins. I don't think Mike And The Mechanics have either.
It's a shame that such a controversial part of Steve Hackett's career looms so large in his professional life. I don't think he'll ever achieve closure on what is clearly still a troubling period for him.
He is an idiot.....just the fact that he is 70 and is putting black shoe polish in his hair shows he is a vain idiot.....hey stick with the band and tour and make money for another 40 years...I think Dan Felder of the eagles did the same thing......blah blah blah..."What about my song writing".......
@@US_ARMY_25_INF._DIV. You're repeating yourself.
I always say that when Steve left it marked the end of Genesis.
My God how many times is he going to be asked why he left??? He could make a ton of money off that question alone.
For a “junior” member of Genesis to take the decision to leave the band, of itself indicates a high degree of self belief, a high degree of determination and a high degree of bravery to continue on in the cut throat world of entertainment
'junior member'?! You're kidding, right?
@@davidf6326 : Yes. Collins and Hackett were always regarded as the “junior” members of the band by the others. It was only from “Duke” on, that Collins became to be regarded as an equal by Banks and Rutherford.
@@Driver2616 And you have that on what authority?
@@davidf6326 : While being interviewed during the remastering/remixing sessions of 2007 and 2008, Tony Banks made reference to the fact that they viewed Steve Hackett and Phil Collins as, and I quote, “very much the junior members of the band”. You can find the interview on UA-cam.
During the course of all these interviews, Collins also made reference to the fact that he himself felt, as the others Genesis members did, that he was not an equal within the band until after his Face Value solo release and particularly after his contributions for Duke, were included on that album.
You can also find that interview on UA-cam.
@@Driver2616 'Tony Banks made reference to the fact that they viewed Steve Hackett and Phil Collins as, and I quote, “very much the junior members of the band”' - I think that says more about Tony Banks than it does about Steve Hackett
Sour grapes
I find it interesting that these « sour grapes » are coming out as Genesis is touring one last time in large arenas and Steve is touring concurrently with « Seconds Out » as the theme for his tour and foregoing almost all of his own material in the set list… nothing I’ve read from Steve, Phil, Peter or Mike backs up these statements…
No personal disrespect intended to Phil, who I suspect has the ambition to 'die on the road, like a proper rock star,' but a lead singer in a wheelchair, with a minimum attention span and a croaky voice, is hardly ideal, and if you think Mike and Tony have not been looking at the lineups that Steve has been playing with in recent years, with anything but ENVY, then I think you underestimate the compromises that these two have been making for this tour. It'll come out later, but my best bet is that Mike and Tony will later claim that they did this tour for Phil, and I think that's right.........
@@artrandy and what’s wrong with that? And I’ve seen Mike in Munich with his new Mechanics: believe me, my friend, he has absolutely NOTHING to envy Steve about (and I’ve seen Steve’s lineup in both 2017 and 2019)
@@guymartin4349 Im talking about Genesis buddy, not Mike Rutherford's side projects. You are subtley shifting the conversation to somewhere I don't want to go, but I'll humour you just for a moment. I just Googled M&tM's, and according to Wikipedia, they haven't toured since 2019, (but maybe you know better, lol.) So why do you claim his lineup is new? Mike's latest project is the Genesis "Last Domino Tour", but you don't want to talk about that, you'd rather talk about Mike's 'glories of 2019' (sic).........
@@artrandy oh please… Genesis IS a side project for Rutherford right now. He released an album (Out of the Blue) in 2019 with a new band, including two new singers. If you knew anything, you would know that Paul Carrack tours with Clapton and that Paul Young is dead… I saw him in Munich in April 2019. Don’t be an idiot, my friend
@@guymartin4349 I couldn't give a rat's behind about Mike and his effing mechanics. This vid is about Genesis, so if you want to indulge yourself, then please do so in private, and shut the bedroom door after you........
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I love Steve, but I think he disorts the reality a bit. Voyage of the Acolyte was never a "hit". If it made the top 30 in the UK, it peaked at 191 in the USA (Billboard). In fact none of his solo albums cracked the Billboard 100. And besides, this is not a way to work in a group situation : I had a hit, therefore, I deserve more space on the next album (unless the band actually wishes to capitalize on the hit in question, which was not the case).
I think he is talking about I know what I like that was the first song that gave Genesis some visibility in the charts. And Steve wrote that song.
@@Threeminutesboy didn’t really write it. Just the riff from which it was built.
I came away from this with an urge to itch my face.
He got 40 mil for fountains.
i wish i could get steves feedback involving why g.t.r only did a single album n never performed the album together on a tour of any kind
You not fan of drama
The music would have been so much better if you had stayed in. What's remarkable is I understand there was an album you trying to get out and you had a time constraint but the whole time you were off, after and there were three, everybody took a long break, and that would have been perfect for you to do your stuff and then they could have come back stronger as a four-piece.
Duke was a good album, but some would argue abacab was a disaster as it became more commercialized. Your influence in the band was noticeably absent.
I appreciate all the concerts you do with the Genesis material from your era. Just awesome.
He bought a sega saturn, that's why he left genesis
Qui sait si genesis avec Steve hackett restant dans le groupe n aurait pas pris une autre direction moins pop et plus prog
The only thing I can say , when S Hackett left , this band became a pop band . That’s all . Few words for good understanding.
@George Leech
It can be an amazing pop band but without the musical level when Hackett was there , never this amazing pop band were at the level of the old Genesis until Gabriel and Hackett left , even if that old Genesis I recognize the was and excellent Prog rock band , they were not my favorites , Jethro Tull and Yes .
@George Leech
Technical composition , changes in rhythms, changes in styles, changes in musical passages , to have the ability in one song varying styles like hard rock to symphonic rock to classic rock etc , as they did in Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound, in these albums you can realize how the acoustic guitar of Hackett correlated very good with the keyboards of T Banks. Only smart bands as Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull , King Crimson, Yes , the old Genesis, Rush , Camel, ELP , can made these changes, not pop bands . I guess you understand how to measure without a thermometer.
@George Leech
The most important: Good Melodies , is for you , go to hear Simon and Garfunkel . Very good melodies , along all songs the same melody, not changes , nothing smart composition. Only for you .
Jethro Tull , Yes , Pink Floyd and Genesis of Hackett, all have very good melodies besides smart complex and sophisticated compositions .
The issue is : to understand smart Prog rock , people need high CI Brain coefficient.
@George Leech
It is not a master of tastes , it is just a master on what is more complex and sophisticated musical composition, which implies better musicians or less better . Not necessary implies likes or tastes . Par example I don’t like king Crimson music but I recognize is too complex and sophisticated composition , I like better Jethro Tull than the old Genesis but I recognize his music were very smart and complex , when I hear Foxtrot I try to appreciate that composition , how the instruments are related between each other . Pop music could be your likes I respect but don’t say Genesis with Collins is better than Genesis with Hackett, you like more ok but never is better , you need personally to be more open mind, maybe you will appreciate Prog rock music.
@George Leech
Don’t worry my friend, be happy, I accept Genesis was one of the biggest bands ever exited, as well as Yes , Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull . Finish with this stupid replies .
…because his material wasn’t up to the standard of the rest of the group. How many decades have to pass before Hackett will let this go and move on? If he felt so strongly about it, he wouldn’t keep milking the Genesis back catalogue in his live shows and focus solely on his prolific solo career.
Milking?Steves guitar work in Genesis was amazing He doesn’t have the right to play firth of fifth or Suppers ready live?Thank god he does. One of the most underrated guitarist of prog rock. I met him spoke to him and he was the most cordial person Tony Banks wouldn’t just talk to a fan
Ah, so "Acolyte" put the boots to it. Loved that album when my brother brought it home. Learned every riff on Ace in my parents basement.
Is this Larry Bethune of Berklee College of Music? I graduated in 1983, Bachelor of Music in drum set performance