Stock BMW 320d vs Alpina D3 Biturbo - Fifth Gear
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Tiff pits a stock BMW up against it's tuned Alpina counterpart.
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Is it just me or is it still exciting to when you see an Alpina?
Haha 😂
Is it just you😜
If you know hungarian(and you are strait),you get excited when you see an al Pina,ha ha
I'm excited to see you too.
i have one! b3s biturbo
I'm quite surprised Tiff of all people doesn't know how to drive a diesel properly. Peak power comes in around 4000rpm, going to 5000rpm is just making more noise and not getting any more power.
Not in the alpina with n47 biturbo, peak power at 4500rpm, big turbo engages at 3500 rpm
A bit random but I'm impressed with the bmw 320d. Good video fith gear👍.
Fifth gear do the alpina D3 vs the 335D
The stock is 184hp
Turbodiesel
Aren’t all Alpinas automatic only(although with optional paddle shifters)? I could not make it out on this video.
No, I have one and it's a manual
@@henrynicklin1345 Okay. I never knew that. Thank you for the reply.
You can't argue with the performance, though am I the only one who thinks the 320d looks better? The alpina wheels just look dated to me.
Not dated.
Classic.
Yes, 1980s classic. Doesn't look right on a modern car.
It's 2017 and Alpina still uses them.
I guess majority of customers still like them enough.
soundseeker63 are you kidding ? Have you seen the alpina classics in 21 inch
Jose Paulo King Except they don't use them. The current design is different from these.
Why get the Alpina when you can get a 325D which is as fast but more fuel efficient
Remap 320d and then will be the winner :))
Maybe, but should remap stage 2 minimum....
No, the alpina's suspension setup and extra grip just makes all the difference
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In mid-size 4-door sedan, who cares about the speed or horsepower ?
I have an Audi A4 and I honestly don´t know how many horsepower it has, and I don´t care.
Trust me, there are people who care.
Darthadios your car probably has 177 HP .
Thats because you are a normie xD
Why are you even here....?
I can't understand what a racing driver would be trying to do by redlining a diesel, they should shift right after they hit the power band, at 5000 rpm it would be totally dead, wasting time
In this engine it isn't as Tiff said, this engine holds power well, even after after max torque has come and gone. Certainly the E9X D3 would be worth revving out for maximum performance and I suspect it is the same story for this engine.
Actually revving higher might make the car accelerate faster. Altough you might make less engine torque, you could still might make more wheel torque on that lower gear when compared to higher gear, so it's actually better to rev to the redline. This is the case with most of the cars out there.
Engineering Explained has great video about this subject: goo.gl/ryPQ5m
You can actually calculate it by yourself if you doubt about it. All you need is the gear ratios of each gear and the engine torque curve to do the math.
BMW diesels rev much higher and nicer than any other diesels, a VW TDI or similar would hit the limiter way before 5000...
With my E90 320D, I'd shift around 4000, after that you lose a lot of torque, between 2500 and 4000 is the sweet spot.
Trust me this engine is perfect holds more than 5000😉😁
He says only 750 pounds more for all the alpina upgrades??
I think £7500 not £750😅
I take the M sport looks really nice in this e90 facelift especially with the xenon headlights
Could you please restart the show??? PLEASE!!!
I'm trying to watch this with no sound... The subtitles/captions are hilariously wrong.
Tiff driving a BMW 320d and he is amazed! thats the power bmw
2011 320ed mapped to 225bhp/443nm for GBP225 and still easily returns 60mpg when driven sensibly. 0-60mph in 6 seconds when not driven sensibly :-D
Who mapped your car?
Quite agree. Massive difference on a remap.
Yes you can remap 320d but What about suspension /steering and breaking?All together Alpina gives you the best performance 👌🏻
Oleg Savciuk msport got pretty good anyway
davidforde1973 yeah Alpina stock 214bhp so with stage 1 should be about 260 🙂
great car E90, owned one 318d.
Fifth gear videos are so damn exciting thx to this awesome man, he seems to have so much passion for cars + he enjoy driving and he know to transmit every emotion to us👍
You GOTTA watch this with the subtitles on, makes no sense but quite amusing all the same (I came here to watch the review as these are something of a bargain in 2024 & always fancied something different like an Alpina - even if this is by far their best selling model)
Șofer slab ...
I hit that diesel stoppage about 5000rpm well tiff that’s because diesel drivers know not to go near 5000rpm 😂
Why the hell does it say it's a D3 BiTurbo if it's no Bi-Turbocharged?
What the f*ck Alpina....
It is indeed a twin turbo
It can't be. The gain of only 27hp by the addition of that extra turbo is really weird. Also, Bi Turbocharged is not the same as Twin Turbocharged. Bi Turbos are two completely separate turbos, they both have separate intercoolers and wastegates. The Twin Turbos are normally bought in setups of two and they both use the same intercooler and wastegate and they offer more reliability than power.
A gain of "only 27hp" - over the standard 320D, not the standard D3 - being "really weird" is not a basis for it not being twin turbocharged. It also isn't a basis to effectively call Alpina liars... The Biturbo also gains an extra 50nm of torque over the standard D3, considering putting a bigger single turbo on the car would only increase lag (remember at the time twin scroll turbos were not commonplace in BMW's like they are now), the decision to go for two smaller turbos makes sense. I would imagine the gains from adding an extra turbo are only relatively small, because of the limits of the engine. The first gen D3 and D3 Biturbo have been the only Alpinas ever not to be assembled at the factory in Buchloe but rather by BMW. No internal work (as standard with Alpinas) was done on these engines, just bolt ons effectively - injectors, intercooler, turbo etc. Seems logical that there is only so much you can over-boost and over-fuel a standard 4cyl diesel (built for commuters) before you run into reliability issues. I don't agree with your point about the differentiation in wording between Biturbo and twin turbo, at all, there are too many reasons why to list here, cite your sources though and I'm happy to be proven wrong.
100% agree with what you said.
It's not MY differentiation in wording, it's exactly how it is. The difference of wording exists that's why i told you because you referred
to BiTurbo being the same as Twin Turbos, which is why i explained it.
Cite your sources, I think this is a somewhat common misconception. How a manufacturer decides to express the fact that their engine has two turbos attached to it actually doesn't relate to how the turbos have been plumbed. It's arbitrary. There are many ways of plumbing a twin turbo system, and twin and bi are just synonyms for two when prefixing turbo. If there seems to be a correlation it is purely coincidental. The RB26DETT was labelled as twin turbo and it's turbos were set up in parallel. The E9X generation of B3 Biturbo based on the N54 engine (and I believe it will be the same story on the newer F chassis N55 based cars) also used the Biturbo terminology even though the turbos on the alpina engine (assuming they are in the same set up as the BMW version of the engine on which it is based) are also in parallel.
Bring back Tiff!
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Academic really, in five,seven years Diesels will be a rarity,and so will Petrol, Lecy power will start to take over,so, a Goggle, a Dyson, even a Samsung might be your weapon of choice in future!😢
Don't know how you work that out. 20 year old BMW diesels are still going strong today, with lots of life left in them - at least 10 years and more. You can still buy BMW diesels brand new today so no reason to think they won't still be going fine themselves 30 years from now too.
And today, the known world oil reserves are higher than they've ever been in history. Even at the current useage rates that equals 50 years but there is no reason to think that we will not discover even more oil. Those facts combined with the great improvements in electrical technologies both in generation and use of it means we likely have several hundred years of diesel availability if we choose to use it.
First viewer!!
Last time i looked Heineken was making beer not trans people?
Oh but wait the timing chain might snap and take the whole engine with it, I think i'll stick with 330D thx! Why oh why they don't do an alpina 330D :/
patrick lee they do a d3 in 3.0 version
Watch out because there are N57 chains blowing aswell.
N57 has the same chain set up you mong
@@zaphodbeeblebrox9109 no it doesn't as they are machined differently and your talking about an older 'M-series' engine
@@linkpad6270 nope. Please read some more. The same issue with chains exists in the n57.
this is a timing chain from a BMW 320d------- --------
David C my 320D is on 115000 miles and no issues. This is your brain:
stubones yeah right that, everyone crying after changing the oil after 20k miles... of course you chain is gonna kick off. Mine has 113000 km and no problem
Lool mine went on me 2 weeks after buying
@@MohammedAhmed-nq3ov cos you buy shit beamers clearly bro get some proper dolla drop it on a 3 litre
@@Oakawiw every beamer is shit
can 5th gear kindly remove the foul mouthed comments please.
thanks
Wake the fuck up, nobody cares about swearing but old shits like you.
LOOOL fuck off
Wow... It's a shame that Fifth Gear FORCED you to watch this video and FORCED you to read the comments.
Get the fuck over it , it’s 2018 😂
£35 tax for a 320 and £200 for the alpina unless u want a limited edition car just get the 320d ans stage 1 and you'll be running more power and way better fule economy
Tax cost exactly the same as 320d 2010 same engine
I test drove a D3, thinking I needed something more practical than my Audi S5. I did not like, underpowered. Ok need an oil burner and a BMW, well the 330d is a better beast altogether, gave my Audi a run for the money down the south deeside road. In the end kept the V8, S5. A proper car.
Because of course a 2.0 diesel is going to be comparable to a 4.2 V8 petrol.... lol come on!
The point is buy the 330d much better and at used prices it's a no brainer. The D3 is a disappointment, doesn't quite live up the name. Pretty simple.
Used that maybe so, but new the 330d was at least £4k more than the D3 so comparing them would have made no sense. Would be comparing apples with oranges. Ditto the S5/D3 comparison.
Are you talking about this Alpina (tuned up 320d) or the new one (350 hp). If its the latter then I totally do not agree, the D3 felt for me like a diesel m3.
Chris Carbaugh underpowered? Last years D4 (same engine I assume as the d3) was the highest torque diesel production car (cue Jeremy Clarkson voice) in the world. I've driven both the petrol and the diesel. My daily drive is an e92 M3 - a V8. The d4 is almost as quick . Are you sure the higher level of refinement of the Alpina (not to mention smooth suspension versus your bone shuddering Audi) didn't lull you into a sense that it wasn't powerful ?
And incredibly unreliable.
Which one?
Almost every new BMWs.
No but you know that BMWS are really just unreliable and costly to own if you can't afford em.
Sang Eeth if you can't afford, why buy them?
Mate, i think you are a talker who reads too many comments, you dont actually own anything with a BMW if you did, you would know that one of the best engines at BMW even for reliability is the 320d, dude stop it, your ignorance is exposing you..
primu
Legend!
ADY GAMYNG bravo oaie
A car that is faster is actually faster. Well done Tiff Needles. Brilliant !
El Diesel para las calderas y las furgonetas viejas DKW, para correr y disfrutar SIEMPRE GASOLINA.
We bought 3.20d 2007 last year and we disapointed. Its engine was nice, car can go fast but even door handles were broken inside the car. Its like 4 man fighted in the car.
How can you be disappointed if you didn't inspect the car before buying it??
Mate, you should have bought a properly used car that went through proper inspection, dont blame your beinng low on cash to purchase a third hand car, save good money and buy a good car dude, its not BMWs problem that you are broke..