DSLR VS MIRRORLESS is mirrorless always best?
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- A look at when mirrorless or dslrs are the best tool for the job and which you should own.
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100% Martin. My clients can't tell one sensor from the other, 20 mgp from 46mgp, 50mm from 35mm. But for sure they can tell the blurry photos from the sharp ones. In my book, no older excellent camera becomes suddenly a bad camera because of the new camera. I always find something of value on your chanel. Keep up the great work.
What’s not to like about buying used? Personally I would rather have a higher spec older camera than a low spec new one so I’ll stick with my Nikon D750 which cost around the same as a new Z50
Seeing the work you did with DSLRs is what dampened my gear acquisition syndrome quite a bit so thank you for that
thats good, its ok to buy the latest stuff if you need it or can want and afford it but its just a camera, they dont do anything new as such if you dont do video.
What a realistic, humble and excellent video. I stumble upon your channel this morning and already watched several of the videos.
Question: How come all the sane photographers and reviewers are Brits, such as Sean Tucker, Christopher Frost, Gordon Liang, Andy Mumford, Alan Schaller and yourself (just to name a few) and we in the US are stuck with Jaren Polin, Tony Northrup, Angry Photographer, Ken Rockwell, Ted Forbes, Manny Ortiz & Peter McKinnon? ... they are more of actors than photographers.
Ahhh I dont know! are we more sane. No one accused me of being sane before 🤪. I think in the UK people are more understated. It would be almost rude to be enthusiastic about anything hahahaha.
I fell for the mirrorless trap a little over a year ago and got myself a Canon RP while I was still a beginner. My photos became sharper w/ lower noise but my photography did not improve much. I discovered the Canon 5D a few months later and only then did my photography and understanding of basic principles like lighting & depth of field improve. I'm not trying to make this into a 5D shill comment but I guess my main point was your gear will only start to matter once you've invested the time into learning the art & skill involved in the practice.
I just ordered a 5d classic for 165$ from japan because I want the pentaprism back! Though EvF are excellent nowadays I really miss to see reality through a glass and not a representation of an image with all the settings. I studied photography years ago and learned with film and the 2000s digital and want to get that feeling back again. I just watched several of your videos during the weekend ❤.
This is spot on what I have always said. Improve the skillset then improve the equipment. 👍📸
Hey David, great to hear from you, yes always skillset. I think its fun to test out different cameras, just dont think they come with that skill upgrade too.
Great viewpoint. I bought a 6D 2 years ago and now use it for equine photography, mainly eventing - jumping over fences, logs and hedges. Its not a sports camera choice, but the shots I've got after a few months practice have truly impressed me (and thats with a Tamron 70-210 F4). There's just something about the results that looks great. Also shoot with a 7D, which makes it easier, but prefer the 6D look.
I shoot with a Nikon 70-210 F4 on my mirrored camera. Images are excellent are the weight and size is smaller/lighter than the 70-200 F2 lens.
one of the best content of this topic! i still use my Nikon D700 & d3s but i also got a sony a7r3 , just use both for different kind of sets .. keep up the good work.
Thank you!!!!
You just clarified my ongoing dilemma between my love for my 5DII and lukewarm feeling on the EOSR! My photographs aren’t good enough yet to say one produces better images but I am able to notice the difference in the actual photography experience. Each has their own positives. If the 5DII had the focusing ability of the R, there would be no question for me. And that’s precisely why I’m constantly intrigued by the 5DIII. I blame Canon for crippling each system just enough to make no single body perfect! LOL but I’m just a hobbyist and get excited when my images don’t have motion blur!
Hi Keith! Hope you are well! hmmm the 5d mark iii might suit you then, it definitely improves the autofocus by a lot. Thats the main real upgrade, the ergonomics are best of the bunch too. I know what you mean about Canon crippling everything so there is no perfect option, we all hate them for that!
I bought the Lumix GH5 for video and that's its forte, but still lmage uhmm just nice. So I decided for the 5d classic because I no longer worry about video or modern stuff. ❤
I know a wedding photographer that uses old Leica film cameras, not only nailing exposure but his timing is spot on.
lol too late, I listened to you🤣 you've inspired me to check out a D600 after watching your landscape video from awhile ago. I have got an absolute s$%t tonne of old ai and ais lenses, one thing i didnt know about the D600 automatic low shutter speed setting when in auto iso, is that lens focal length auto SS also considers any lens you have set up in non cpu lens data! My mind is blown. Literally just snapped on an ais 20mm, min SS is 1/30 with auto iso. Snapped on a ais 135mm and selected correct non cpu data, min speed is now 1/160 with corresponding auto iso. I cant wait to explore this D600 further. Another great video Martin, thanks!
Haha excellent well happy shootings with it!
Martin speaks the truth. Such that ordinary guys like me can get it !
Refreshing & Therapeutic for my constant desire to upgrade even though I haven't fully maximized my old Pentax K70 as a hobbyist! Thank you
Another sensible video, Martin. For 26 years during the film era, I used a Mamiya C330 twin-lens manual, non-VR camera and I took excellent photos and had plenty of business. You had to have solid camera technique and now I have passed those techniques on to my digital cameras. Digital is more stress free but the content still matters.
We're on the same page Martin. I use a D800e, a pair of D7100's, a D5200 an OM-D E-M1x and an OM-5 on an ongoing basis. They all have their place.
So much reason and common sense here. I agree with you 100% and I'm not even a pro. By the way, the portraits you've shown here are just stunning. The light looks so natural in every one of them. And those done on a Canon 40D just blew me away. (I just purchased this older DSLR recently, to have some fun). Cheers! //Rick
Thank you Rick! Those 40d photos are so old i nearly didnt show them i have more though.
My newly purchased 5d2 is just amazing! I owe it all to you!
nooooooo not me! you bought it!!! i hope you enjoy it, its incredible.
@@MartinCastein 17k shutter count, like new from MPB!
I think I’m dating myself here but I actually owned 3 Canon DSLRs before the 5D came out: D60, 20D, & Rebel XT. I’ve shot primarily mirrorless since around 2014 or 2015 but I’m definitely enjoying shooting through an optical viewfinder again using a 5D. I still use mirrorless a lot but not for personal use, walks etc. I bought my first computer in 1988 and I’m tired of screens. That’s why I find DSLRs and film so refreshing.
yeah i kind of wish we could have the ovf back but keep the rest of the mirrorless setup without having the mirror back, i know thats not possible really but still it would be nice.
@@MartinCastein I might try a Fuji X-Pro or Leica digital M one day. Might be the best of both worlds. For now an X-H1 and 5D are perfect. Thanks for steering me back to (now) inexpensive Canon DSLRs for personal work. It’s totally familiar to me and the results are great. I jumped on the mirrorless wagon early because I had lots of video work at the time.
Great Vid Martin. I recently bought a used Sony a7rii, after my original A7 stopped working. And I was toying with the idea of getting a dslr canon 5dii or 6di. I wished I had done. Love the colours of canon. I’m just a amateur, mainly landscape. But you’re totally right about the gear thing. And it deffo sends out the wrong message. It’s what’s captured not the camera you’re using. Ps great channel 👏👏👏
🙏 thank you!
I was a Canon 5D classic shooter. Unfortunately I had focus issues with my primary lens which is 24-70 2.8 mk1 (there is no micro adjustment function in the 5DMKI). I decided to move to the A7RII and it is wonderful camera, but...I always wanted to have 5DMKII or MKIII and even with Sony I was checking 2nd hand market from time to time. I have found one MKIII with a decent condition and I have bought it. My 24-70 got new life and I am so happy with my new "toy". This is strange but I really like that old DSLR cameras (size, sound, ergonomics). They give me some kind of pure photography without so much AI and other "helpers" improving imperfections of the photographer. It seems to be faster than my A7 in response, no lagging, no electronic thinking, no evf...just feels faster. But, generally speaking I have to say that the Canon is not a better camera than Sony, but gives so much fun to keep it and play.
A big applause for this video. You're are telling it exactely how it is. Even though i'm a big Sony mirrorless fan. It's absolutely true that almost nothing is new under the sun when it's about photography and camera's.
Thank you very much Mitchell, looking at sony mirrorless at the moment myself, not decided yet.
thanks i have a d600 and feel great
Great realistic perspective I enjoyed the masterclass in fundamentals. It would be easy to say Camera manufacturers wouldnt like your message. But actually you have given them a clear insight and direction to make better cameras that we actually want. Not endless new rarely needed features but more beautiful soulful sensors and a body to match.
thank you Tom, yeah i cant wait for that to become the next race in the camera industry, part of me feels it wont happen because they wouldnt know how to but another part of me thinks it could massively drive sales and they would get the right people in to do it.
I agree Martin. It would only take one major manufacturer to address the issue, with informed people like you buying the product and through your channel endorsing it. Other camera manufacturers would be driven to match them. Am I living in a utopia dream world. Love your channel best of luck growing it.
@@tombain5665 Thanks so much Tom!!! lets hope someone has the guts to do it!
I went from 550D and 600D through 70D and 80D to 5DII\III and 6DII aiming at R, R6 or even R3 now... but there's not a single day that I don't regret they never put 5D Classic sensor in a newer camera... Best colour rendition I've ever seen. I wish it could use DPAF and flip-out touchscreen even if with the same 13mpx.
I have the d800 it’s two years now and I plan to keep it as my primary for another 5-7 years
Awesome video mate. Amazing images. Even managed to fire in a couple of 40d images 👏
Thanks Colin yeah I’ve found some of my 40d pics might make a video about it
Good insights Martin. I’ll take it even one step further. I shot an outdoor car show over the weekend and chose my F3 with a couple of AIs lenses and Portra 400 to achieve a certain look. I also find I can get the focal plane where I want it much easier with manual lenses and the split prism screen. I’ve never bought a camera, woodworking tool or golf club that actually came with the manufacturer’s implied built in skill. Heaven knows I tried with golf clubs!
hahahahahha, implied built in skill is an interesting concept for sure!
Nice video Martin 👍
I love the value you get with older cameras nowadays. I jumped on the mirrorless band wagon and love my rp... But I purchased my 1dx and 24-70 f2.8 for basically half of the cost of my rp :)
Hmm maybe what you should be doing is talking about how "bad" the old DSLRs are so the prices go down further. Yep, that might be better for us lol
hahahah yes i suppose it wont help the price if they go up from it but i dont think i have any influence! thats a crazy good deal on a 1dx too!
As most people are moving or going straight to mirrorless, I am just enjoying my happy self being able to get good quality and sometimes hard to find lenses at a now discounted price for my DSLRs hehe
I love your perspective. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Totally agree. For nature and landscape photography, I'm feel comfortable with a 6D mkII with tilt screen, and my knees are very happy for this feature 😁. I believe mirrorless cameras are a good choice for wedding, street photography, and wildlife photography where the silent shutter is a must. Thanks for share your thoughts.
6d mark ii could have been continued offered a lot of the benefits on the rear screen with mirrorless but with an ovf so you had the option, i kind of wish they continue that line at least.
the older DSLRs don't even come close when it comes to AF systems. For wildlife photographers, the eye AF is a must have. I've only just upgraded to a 7D II, and the AF is much improved over my 60D, but a R5 would offer a similar jump in AF performance from the 7D II as it was going from the 60D to the 7DII imho. Perhaps even more. Being able to see exposure in real time in the EVF is really nice too.
Definitely all about the right tool for the job and the right tool for the individual. I have an amateur foot in each camp. Advantages of mirrorless... can offer weight savings, better focus assist features when using adapted old manual lenses, which are also very useful for sight impaired photographers. Silent shutter for some wildlife scenarios including macro. Don't know if I am alone in this wish but I look forward to the day the use of mechanical shutters is banned in bird hides 🤞🤭.
Oh I never thought about the shutter noice for bird hides, thats a very good point! Yes all about the right tool for the job!
What a beautifully explained video
I was given a z9 to shoot climbers in the highlands , i couldnt get used to the viewfinder , couldnt get my d850 quick enough , i felt like i was being charged for looking through the z9 , it ate the battery up whilst waiting for the climbers to clear a ledge , not for me ! I need a real viewfinder ,
Not sure if "mirrorless is always the best" . The most compact/lightweight? Absolutely, if you are willing to go say from FF DSLR to M43 mirrorless. The difference is significant.
Anyway, I think history is repeating itself. Before the 60's, pros use mirrorless (like rangefinders used by photojournalists, and most large format cameras used in studios area also mirrorless). Then Nikon F system arrived, and lots of photojournalists convinced SLR were capable for pro work, hence the migration. Rangefinders at that time were kinda limited to shorter primes. No macro work, no zoom lens, no really long lens etc etc. SLR didn't pose any of those limitations, hence they were the technically more versatile tool
Now in the digital era, mirrorless don't have those limitations anymore. So my question is: why keep the "extra" mirror box?
Very good point. I am going to stick with old crop sensor camera since it can still be used in studio still and I on rare occasion take pictures of items for fun.
no point changing if it doesnt really help you!
Very well put together great video my friend
Thank you Chris!
I shoot with both mirrorless and a mirrored camera for events. I have older lenses that I like that only work on the mirrored camera and I like the particular look I get with the Z-lens for the mirrorless. The images are different and I like them both.
The z lenses seem to be particularly good
I shoot weddings. Sometimes silent shutter is nice sometimes mechanical shutter is nice.
When people hear a mechanical shutter and also animals they turn their head and you can get a nice photo of them looking at the camera.
Other times silent is nice people are not as focus on you because the shutter is silent and candids are really nice.
Oh dear! Whan about all the "old" photoes taken with film - sorry "film" what is that? That is actually what was used until the digital camara was inventet = most of the time we have had photoes. It even worked in news papers. What is "news papers"? Do you se where i am getting? Yesterdays technology brought us great images. My hero was my late uncle shooting still for films with an old Nikon F1. Battered but reliable. Also great for opening beer bottles he said. Do not know it mordern days photograhers know that skill with thair camaras 🙂 Thank you for a nice video. My self I just got a Canon 6 mark 1 and I looove it!
Spot on.
Thanks Erik
For me I like Olympus for wedding photography. I have my cameras to display the image for 0.5 seconds after I take the image. I do this just in case I made a mistake I can fit it fast. There are no do overs at a wedding.
Canon ambassador Joe Buissink shoots in P Mode and when you listen why he shoots in P Mode it really makes sense. He does shoot I M mode when he uses flash.
I've heard even from some of the best wedding photographers screwing up at a wedding.
Wedding photography can drain you mentally.
Whatever mode for shooting works best for you is fine, i think people intuitively prefer one way or another and thats best really, i cant get on with back button focus on most cameras for some reason, for example.
Yeah I'm not into back button focus. But Joe Buissink not doing back button focus he's doing a AEL. So when he's shoot a portrait he's in single auto focus. When he has focus he hits the AEL to keep the exposure the same when he shoot a few stills. After releases the AEL button the meter goes back on. It's kind of like shooting in M mode he said. He came up with way of shooting because he was making mistakes.
After I shoot a wedding I'm almost brain dead.
It gets easier over time don’t worry I’ve done over 350now and they stop being stressful at all after some time. It does get easier.
I here you but I'm one of those people that I need a safety net to avoid mistakes.
I might have shorterm memory?
Nice thoughts! I bought my A7r so that I can use my glass on full frame digital too, I can't do that on the 5D mark ii. I prefer film, but these are good alternatives. Sometimes I want some of that Kodachrome glow, and use an old CCD sensor camera, Pentax K10D or Nikon D40, one can get nice results on that too, as long as you don't need huge prints.
i have the old nikon too, i think its that model, i need to get a lens for it actually and take that out for a shoot. ive left it for a few years with no sensor cover so might need a clean... hmmm. nice collection you have there.
I use my EF lenses on both my film as well as on my full-frame and APSC digital EOS cameras. ;-)
Awesome video. Thank you for making it
Glad you liked it!
I also still use DSLR can't see why not
No reason not to!
Great summary. Mirrorless for the stressful stuff, and older stuff for pictures where you are looking for something special. In 15-20 years I’m sure people will tinker with some of todays mirrorless to get the pictures looking like they want.
What I do know about the latest mirrorless cameras are that they do cost a lot of money that I rather spend on glass. I know I will buy a Canon R when the price will be right, but right now I rather pick up lenses that I feel give my pictures that special look.
Agree up to a point but a digital camera is still basically a box with a huge roll of film in it, unless you really need it’s new features it is prob still better to spend your hard earned cash on lenses
I don't care for mirrorless because I am not looking at reality when I shoot with one. I prefer DSLR or film because of the mirror, and its reflection of reality through the lens when I shoot. Frankly I prefer rangefinder to mirrorless. But that is just me of course.
D700 and D4 happy days
Nicely put.
thanks!
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For me dslr …:)
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It makes me laugh when people complain about older DSLRs... if you rememeber that 50-70 years ago photographers were already taking amazing shots of wildlife or sports and other fast moving subjects with full manual settings and focus by hand. No AF, no tracking, no autopexposure or unlimited memory cards, just a roll of film and skilled eye... It never stopped the great artists from creating masterpieces.
How do you expect anyone to focus on anything without 4D AI face tracking that can focus on a face from the back of someones head. Everyone knows everything shot pre-AI auto focus was completely out of focus.
They just want to OWN that new car with new features. It terms of transportation purposes we have bikes, old vehicles, sports cars, public buses & and so on - it all depends on specific tasks and resources 😊
Love your videos Martin. Can you tell me why you never really favor the 5D mark iii or iv when talking about your trusty choices? I know you mention color pallets on 5D classic going along with 6D, and you also mention 5D mark ii having its own earthy tones. Does mark iii and mark iv have a less favorable color pallet for you? Thanks in advance!!!
Hi Jon, sorry late reply, im not sure why but i just never liked them, they are fantastic cameras I just never enjoyed using them. Id say they were my least favourite cameras to actually use and I have no good reason to say that but its what I felt, so you should ignore my feelings on them.
Martin, as always a valuable take on the question DSLR vs Mirrorless.
After your presentation of the 5D Classic - ua-cam.com/video/ph0CwbOx7Us/v-deo.html purchased one earlier to add to the existing APS-C and really enjoying just taking photographs.
Yes, the additional weight of the body is noticeable especially on a long day’s shooting, but nothing to onerous. And what are camera straps for, if not to take some of the load?
The 5DC is no sports photography tool, and misses some of the features of the newer camera.. but that basic functionality is taking me back to the days of shooting on film and slide just without the hassle of relying on third party developers and printers or having to use a darkroom.
Im glad you are enjoying it Ian, its a great camera to have in addition to other cameras for these reasons.
Nikon D780 vs Nikon z6ii which is better than buying
Z6 ii
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The picture's are no better on mirrorless, people just like new stuff!
How dare you tell the truth 🤣
@@MartinCastein Ha Ha thanks, i like new stuff too, i purchased Nikon Z7ll! but i sold it and purchased a D850 🤷🏻♂
I sold too 🤣
Thanks for this very informative video Martin.
Is there any reason that you don't mention the Canon 6d MK ii ? I couldn't find any videos that you've done about it.
It's got the face tracking in live view, which is great for shooting wide open apertures, along with the flip out screen.
Or is it because it doesn't provide that 'unique look' like the other cameras ?
Thanks.
its just because ive never used it, that all :)
@@MartinCastein Ok, thanks. 🙂
I've just watched your video about your purchase of the battered 5D MK ii.
Would you take the same approach to a lens ?
I've got the opportunity to purchase a used lens that I want at less than half the price if it were brand new.
The description says The front element has light irremovable marks, but this doesn't affect the image produced.
Would you buy it ?
Thanks again.
@@drpentecost is that from mpb? yes i would, front element marks dont impact image much or at all, just be aware of the lower resale price too later. you just have to buy from a reputable place.
@@MartinCastein Thanks. Yes it's from mpb.
How long does their stuff take to arrive once purchased, as I've never used them before ?
depends what shipping option you use, anything from next day to 5 days i think. although there is a cut off time each day if you want next day i think its 3pm you can see the delivery options at checkout though, it costs about £9 i think
Video conclusion: Skill issue.
Came here for the comment at 5:10
What about crop vs fullframe? Can you make similar video please. I use Canon 250D and 7D mark ii, upgrading to fullframe is expensive but time to time feel like buying older fullframes and then reminding myself, lenses are more expensive than them older fullframe bodies. Right now using 17-50 sigma 2.8 and 50mm 1.8.
i think it depends what you shoot, i might do a video on it though, what do you shoot?
@@MartinCastein I like shooting day/night street photographies, day/night potraits, landscapes and cities. I once got a little taste of 5D mark ii and did street photographies with 50mm 1.8 and it was majestic. That 3D feeling and good image quality.
Since then, I dreamed of at least 5D mark iii or 6D mark I with 24-70 2.8 or 24-105 f4 at the least. But I also feel like I should focus on clicking a great story instead of dreaming of gears . But I again thought of fullframe while watching this video because all these majestic pictures are from a fullframe. It is too tempting hehe.
Photography specs have plateaued out since the DSLR days. New models of mirrorless cameras are chasing video specs. Of course one can get better photos with old DSLR camera if one knows what he is doing compared to a newbie with high end mirrorless. BTW, video is the current and the future, move on to videography please, dear photographers!
Yes video is going to the future for sure and we are almost there now really!
Videos has been going on for years… anyone forgot the video cameras before mirrorless?. Mirrorless is for the pretentious wanna be video creator and all i can see everywhere was mediocre video reals.
Please stop, stop speaking sense it might start catching on YT. Great video.
I’m keeping this comment to prove to my partner Katie that I do talk sense!
@@MartinCastein I'm more than happy to provide testimonials.
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You are barking up the wrong tree Martin these people don't care they have a very dismissive mindset.
Thanks ok! Will be their loss not mine, if it opens a few eyes that’s enough for mate, hope you are well!
@@MartinCastein I went on the humanitarian mission and got slammed down every step ......won't keep me from get up one more time
@@MartinCastein when am I having you on........are up for this Tuesday since i made a video about this a week ago. Let me know.
Hey thanks for the offer I don’t think the live streaming thing is for me really mate, but appreciate the offer!
If i ever need to go mirrorless, i will press a live view button on my K1ii