Grab Bar Without Studs
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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I am a volunteer for the Yolo Healthy Aging Alliance here in California. I’ve been a general contractor for decades and I have to say this is the cleverest device I’ve come across. I’ve installed 200+ of these covering all sorts of building conditions and I’ve adapted to each and everyone.
To the commenter who said “ this is a terrible system “ is apparently unaware that the BACKSIDE of the metal bracket has an attached compressible foam gasket that entirely seals off the hole. The diameter of the gasket is 3”. In addition the center screw holding the metal Moen SecureMount bracket has a stainless steel washer under which a rubber gasket is placed so when the center screw is cinched down the washer completely seals the oblong mounting hole.
If when you drill the initial 1-1/4” you find a stud, you can dispense with the plastic mounting mechanism and attach just the metal plate to the stud with a stainless steel pan or round head #12 wood screw. Be sure to attach the stainless
steel washer AND rubber gasket to seal off the oblong mounting hole in the steel bracket.
One further note: do ONE hole at a time since it will allow more flexibility should your initial hole reveal unexpected conditions once you made the hole.
How strong is it if the rail is pulled away from the wall instead of downwards, like in a real life scenario?
I'd think it would actually be stronger. The weight is spread out even more in that case vs downward.
@@RisaMoreno Up and down the gyprock is basically 3 metres thick so it's super strong for forces in this direction. Back and forwards it's only a few mm thick so much weaker.
Fine demonstration for drywall, but few showers have drywall sides. That hole is pretty big if going through tile, thinset and backer board.
wont tapping the ceramic tile with a whole punch, even if not too hard, be a risk of cracking the tile ??
Not sure that I want to cut a 1-1/4" hole through my shower tile. Holding a stationary 50 lbs. is good, but to be more realistic, how about 150-200 lbs dropped from a height of 2 or more feet?
Yea I can’t find the studs behind the ceramic, may try something like this anchor kit ,just wish the hole wasn’t so big , oh well, probably stronger, thanks
@@fleadoggreen9062 don’t forget to put the silicone on so no leakage
how much of a shock load would these handle with 60 year old drywall? when your falling and the extra force a 240 pound man would put on it.
Of course, the emergency fall "grab to save your life" will rip this crap right out of the wall and the person will fall and get injured.
I'm ordering those for my shower, I'm age 64 and almost fell in the shower.
how much force in pounds does a fall generate? If someone tries to grab the bar expecting it to hold them? Falls are a dynamic loading force whereas holding the weight is a static application.
Ron, shouldn't we check the wall to make sure there is NO stud to interfere with our new system? It would be my luck I would hit two studs. Thanks for your videos.
Better still to locate the studs first, that way you may be able to make a small adjustment and anchor one or both ends in the center of a stud.
If there is a stud you won't need this contraption, just get a regular grab bar and screw it in the stud!!!!!
That's my luck too. I guess I also need a tile bit to drill a test hole first. I've already spent $90 to put up one grab bar. o.O
A stud finder doesn’t work on tile. There is always possibility to mess up your wall by doing the wrong thing.
@@claydiddy63able you cant get all 3 screws into a stud, its too narrow
Great piece of engineering. Great job Moen!
Excellent option, Thanks, I hadn't heard about this option!
I appreciate clear & to the point instructions, thanks again!
Suppose you have raised fibreglas in your shower? Is it possible to mount grab bars there?
I like your videos but I wish you posted who makes the product and maybe where to find it.
I heard him say Moen.
Why did you measure the center of the tub? I thought you wanted to center the grab bar with the center line of the tub. But you put it over to the left.
Never mount grab bars on fiberglass/acrylic tub/shower walls. Unless there’s a stud directly behind. If the wall pushes in/flexes then there’s no stud behind it. Or use a specialized product made for this situation.
I followed your instructions just as you said, and I installed a perfect Moen secure mount grab bar for my brother. Thank!!
Sure would be nice for you to include a clickable link on where to get these. Or even list a few major stores that have them. Great video and a very important one for all of us over 65 folks and some like closer to 80 like me.
I picked up mine at Lowe's. And they really were this easy. I am barely an amateur DIYer and they were very simplistic and durable,
www.moen.com/bathroom/safety/hand-grips
www.lowes.com/search?searchTerm=moen+shower+bars
Use google.
@@alan4sure lowes stores or home depot
Just a heads up sheet rock isn’t very strong
No shit: he - you need to find a stud! 😢😮 OR - A " PROPELLER MOUNT" 1.HOLE .
2. 2X4 3. NOT 2X4~ STRONG METAL BAR TO REACH ONE STUD & DOUBLE THAT? ~~~
3. NO STUDS OR BLIND EALL? WHY? WHERES " SOAP DISH?" OR " TUB/ BATH ENCLOSURE MOUNTING?"
A. CEILING TO FLOOR?
B. TUB WALL CLAMP DOUBLE CLAMP CROSSOVER BAR LOWER HIGHER TO GET UP AND OUT!
C. PUT ONE BY THE FAUCETS THERE'S GOT TO BE STUDS BY THE FAUCETS FOR THE PIPES TO GO TO OTHERWISE YOU NEED TO SEE A PROFESSIONAL TO GET YOUR HOUSE UP TO CODE??? IF THE FAUCETS AND THE SPOUT AND THE SHOWER HEAD IS NOT MOUNTED TO SOMETHING DON'T BUY THAT HOUSE NUMBER ONE TWO IF YOU'RE IN THAT HOUSE RIP IT OUT NUMBER THREE INSTALL A SHOWER TUB FROM A PRO AND HAVE THEM PUT ENOUGH STUDS IN THERE THAT YOU CAN MARK THEM SOMEHOW SOMEWAY? IF THERE'S NO OTHER WAY IN THE WORLD FLOOR TO CEILING MOUNT! AND IF YOU'RE RICH AND FAMOUS AND ON TV~~
Get a new tub enclosure I've got a system where my wife and I both have spine problems and sciatica and our legs sometimes we tell the legs to walk and sometimes they don't say anything sometimes we tell the legs to walk and they say no sit there lay there I'll tell you when Will the case like that you need a professional shower tub side door mount and a transfer from your wheelchair to the tub or if absolutely necessary😢😂😊 " drive-thru" handicap shower Now that means that you're that wheelchair must be reasonably water safe or waterproof so you can get in wash it out then a rug just wait on while everything drips off the wheelchair don't try to wipe it with the damn towel I ended up in the hospital that way so::🦽♿⚕️🙏🛀 You can wait for it to dry or if you have the physical ability you can in fact go to a transfer wing I call it like a ironing board if you're old enough to remember those where would be a flat piece of board like a cutting board but mounted to the side of the tub if you can pull that down and it's strong enough- ADA and OSHA says 500 lb? That's up to you If they say so and you die you die if you go cheap and you fall you die and they go haha If you do what they say and you fall and die then they'll tell me to upgrade mine and everybody else on the planet! 🤞🙏🛀 But anyway if you get off your dry wheelchair to the transfer board then you can get your feet in Now the good ones have a second board on the inside that he allows you mechanically by motor or a double step which folds up Now you're in the tub how you get out got to have a grab bar somewhere or you got to have a grab bar on the bathtub wall or rip the tub out and install a new shower with grab bars or buy one of those fancy ones you see on TV but be prepared to count up to 5000 or 8,000 US dollars now!!!💸💸☠️🇺🇸 If you wait too long fight inflation will increase that to who knows what but if you're young and handicapped do it right and then pass it on If you're old and handicap you know what to do Make it so you can get to your deathbed how many years is it that depends then when your heirs sell the house or move into the house that depends also Will the new people like it or they complete dreamers that think since they're 20 years old and live forever and ever or they come in and they need that equipment they got it at home but they're either downsizing or upsizing or sideway sizing??🛀🙏🤞😊 In any case if they want it they'll buy it they don't want it though shrimp on you If they really love it then you can get your money back!😂😮😊🙏 I'm saying to dear Lord God for it!
Meanwhile do not get suction cup handles Don't even bring them with you on vacation flat out tell him I've got to have handicap bath shower etc!
But if you do if you do if you do get a screw floor to ceiling fixture that disassembles it'll fit in your trunk your purse or have a semi tractor trailer file you around with it hah! Anyway that goes pressure to the floor pressure to the ceiling and if it spreads out the pressure great Now the ceiling looks like a"POS" THEN DON'T WRECK THE MOTEL HOTEL ETC AND HAVE THEM CHARGE YOU SIX TIMES AS MUCH TO FIX IT THAN A DAMAGE YOU DID RIGHT? SO IF NOT JUST TO STUDY YOURSELF WHY NOT OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING SOMETHING THAT A YOU CAN SIT ON IN THE TUB AND OUT OF THE TUB HAVE TO HIDE IT A TUB WALL YOU GET ON THAT LEG IS OVER ASS ON THE BATHTUB AND THEN IN A CHAIR IF YOU CAN DO THAT THEN FOLD THAT SHIT UP AND PUT IT AWAY IF IT LEAVES TO MARK THAT'S---> BUT THAT'LL ALSO WORK AT HOME IF YOU CAN GET FROM THE WHEELCHAIR I KNOW THIS SOUNDS RIDICULOUS TO THE FLOOR YOU'RE SAFE YOU CAN'T FALL OFF THE FLOOR RIGHT THEN IF YOU CAN BEND ARMPIT BATH WALL AND BATH BOTTOM TUMMY BATH WALL HAND BATH CHAIR BUT BATH WALL BUT THAT CHAIR FEET TO BATH FLOOR❤😂🎉
Well after granny goodwell falls with the grab bar. Then moen with discontinue this system. 😜
what if you hit a stud? Then what? What if you have fiberglass surround wall and there is a stud 1 inch recessed, then what? You don't cover all the [possibilities. There is so many places this mount won't work. You should address that.
Can I use this idea for a handless fridge. Do they make those toggles smaller to apply this to a fridge.
Anybody know what these anchors are called and weight capacity?
Can this system be used on a Fiberglass shower?
I have asked the same question on other DIY videos but never received an answer.
@@Dr.Pepper001 well dwight you obviously own a computer ! I know it might require typing afew extra words in the search bar! sorry to put all that extra effort on you!
Hmmm 🤔 sure, why not? Just use silicone to seal it up to prevent leaks
I installed a Moen hand-held shower bar once on a fiberglass shower and used what Moen included in the box and it held up well. I think they were toggle bolts.
Installing A Grab Bar in a Fiberglass Shower - ua-cam.com/video/qqZ9rk7vqkM/v-deo.html
Skating? I've never heard that said. My dad called it "traveling" or "running".
Now, how about showing the installation on a Fiberglas tub surround.
Maybe toggle bolts ?
Looks good Ron but your telling me those 3 little screws per end will hold 300 lbs? I can easily believe the anchors to hold more than 300. Just a thought.
Why can't you just use toggle bolts?
Hey Ron, can you show us how to install these grab bars on fiberglass enclosures on the outside edges? Thans
Thanks Ron, your video was very helpful and easy to understand.
My home is single wall with not the conventional wall studs. Could you create a video for installing grab bars on single wall homes???
Thanks for this video n looking forward to your next one.
@DR PHIL Thanks for your reply. My single walls are T&G, red wood with 2x4 pieces along 3/4 up the walls for added strength. It was built over 65 yrs ago.
@DR PHIL No drywall or tile on the other side.
I put grab bars up using the omen secure mounts. They work well. They have a toilet paper holder with a grab bar over it that both my wife and I love. I had a health problem and it was worth every penny
Jack Lalane weights! I LOVE IT!!
What about Toggle bolts.
Drywall repair is in your near future
Shouldn’t this be covered with something to keep water out also
Will this work with plaster and lath behind a fiberglass shower?
Of course it WILL NOT WORK.
Call it whatever you like, your still fastening onto gypsum and cardboard.
since it is the "key component", please spend a few seconds introducing it...at least where to buy, instead of just a blink that we cannot even have a chance to see.
Are these mounts ADA compliant? Trying to install two grab bars for my mom. One is easy since it is right on a stud. The other side has no stud. Looking at 3 different options for mounting. Letting ADA compliant guide me on the options. This is by far the easiest if it is ADA compliant. Thank you for all your videos and help.
I can’t find anything about UNinstalling these. We bought a house and the fiberglass tub/shower had 3 bars (6 mounts). I’ve removed 2 bars (and 4 mounts) but now have no idea how to fill/seal these holes, as it was not mounted into anything except for the fiberglass.
Then the bar mounted on the wall? I can’t even begin to get the 2 mount brackets out without breaking the wall. Does anyone have direction for me? Or just count it a loss and install a whole new unit? Thanks!
Thank you Mr Hazelton
You’re the best!!!
what is MOEN description of this prodduct .. or part number ..
Will those Moen anchors work with any grab bar or do you have to buy a Moen grab bar? Are the anchors are sold separately or do they come with all Moen grab bars, correct?
what a slick idea. Your video is excellent
I’m installing a grab bar near the toilet, now I know I can put one in the shower, thanks to this video.
We own a bar, and the vertical grab bar (required by code) was just held in with wall anchors, which worked fine for 4 years. But recently somebody ended up pulling it too hard and pulled it out of the wall. I just ordered 2 of the mounting anchors to reattach it. Thanks for the video!
I've built some bars and remodeled a few. Put some plywood behind the drywall where ever you plan on mounting anything. Mount to the plywood and it will last a good long time. 3/4" plywood!
Did the grab bar pull out of tile or dry way?
Theres proper anchors for fibreglass and no studs
You didn’t show anchors behind tile?
Yes, I needed to see this. It's doable for me. Thanx 😊
Does this work with fiberglass showers?
Terrible system. A hole that big through a waterproofed tile wall - how long before you have to rip out the shower to repair all the water damage?
I agree with your point. I use silicone behind the mounting plates to create a seal to prevent water intrusion. Secondly, I am perfectly willing to risk water damage versus my senior clients falling in the shower or bathroom.
I have a 100 year old home. Walls are lathe and plaster? Can I install?
Use a sealant
I don't understand why can't I use those heavy-duty anchors that support 100 lb each and then apply for anchors into the tile? I must mention I'm not handy
My aging parent’s shower has solid Corian walls from floor to ceiling and the long wall is up against and exterior wall of the house. Can’t find a stud with a stud finder. Not sure this system would work in their circumstance. Any tips?
It’s been 6 months, what did you end up doing?
1 1/4" carbide hole saw
Evidently you haven't drilled porcelain tile.
For porcelain you'd have to use a diamond hole saw bit and be sure to wet it frequently or you'll ruin the bit-
where is the product located?
will it work with just the fiberglass shower enclosure or so I at least need to find the sheetrock? Thanks
Of course it WILL NOT WORK.
Does it without wood studs or sheetrock
Do they work in just in fiberglass shower without studs or drywall
They definitely do. We just bought a house, and are in the middle of UNinstalling grab bars (they mounted so many in the tub) and it’s a fiberglass shower tub with no studs/drywall behind it. And we have had a TIME getting these suckers out. Lol they definitely were there to stay
Great video, thx. Question: do you think this could be installed vertically?
Of course.
That if you hit a stud
I need something square
Can I use this on a fiberglass shower enclosure?
I’ve installed over 200 of these units as a volunteer for the Yolo Healthy Aging Alliance . The answer is “yes”. This grab bar utilizing the Moen SecureMount system will withstand 300 lbs of pull in 1/8” thick fiberglass tub surrounds. It is UL and ADA approved.
No where on the package or any advertisement does Moen let you know YOU MUST USE MOEN GRAB BARS to fit these mounts.
Congratulaciones from Uruguay!
Can this be used in an insulated wall?
If the insulation is not too thick and the anchor can open, why not? Goal is to spread force across a wider area so if anchor splays out, should be good.
What was the brand of shower bar?
Moen
Awesome addition
Should have used a 3/4th oscillating bit with a wall-mount that’s at least 2.3. Then you want to get a hagsaw and cut a once inch joist on a slip-mount catapult with, and I can’t stress this enough, a 4/9ths structural jibwawwaw.
Awesome!!!
Where is the link?
That’s where my dad died a month ago.
I'm so, so very sorry to hear about your dad.
@@dondacombs9635 thank you
Does nothing for fiberglass
Make the answer clear
Make the answer clear
Installing A Grab Bar in a Fiberglass Shower - ua-cam.com/video/qqZ9rk7vqkM/v-deo.html
Hi Ron , without grab bars people could fall , at least there's something to grab on too for safety !! 👍🤗🛠
If you are too close to a stud, there worthless, and you dont find out until you bore that big hole. Drill a pilot first.