What Driver Shaft Length Should You Play?? How cutting down affects shaft flex and swingweight...
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Does a longer driver shaft make you hit it further??
Does a shorter driver shaft make you hit it straighter??
And how does cutting a shaft down affect it's playing flex and swingweight?
Well today we test multiple driver shaft lengths to try and answer all of these questions!
So if you're intereted in finding out what changing shaft length really does, then this is the video for you...
Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
0:35 - 46" Talking Specs
02:13 - 46" Frequency Testing
03:09 - 46" Hitting
06:55 - 46" Dispersion
07:15 - 45.5" Frequency Testing
07:49 - 45.5" Swingweight
08:22 - 45.5" Hitting
10:51 - 45.5" Dispersion
11:36 - 45" Frequency Testing
12:13 - 45" Swingweight
12:46 - 45" Hitting
15:51 - 45" Dispersion
16:29 - 44.5" Frequency Testing
17:11 - 44.5" Swingweight
17:48 - 44.5" Hitting
20:33 - 44.5" Dispersion
20:44 - Club Data Analysis
23:19 - Ball Flight Analysis
25:00 - Summary - Спорт
Years ago, when my body was much better than it is today and I was much younger, I experimented with driver lengths from 48 down to 42. This was a fun bit of tinkering. I have always been a club fitter and learned in my teens from an old man I used to work for just to get experience and learn. It was never my full-time job but I did attend Matby's course and learned a great deal. I wanted to have custom clubs easily for myself and I made some side money to pay for my golf. Anyway, I found the 48" shaft difficult to manipulate. For me, dispersion was the least in the shorter ranges. Today, at 65, I play essentially a 3W mini-driver at 42", 14 degrees loft and it is a senior shaft playing at R -. A big drive for me is 220. My game is devolving into a dink old man game. My woods go all the way down to 11W. The rest is 7i-PW, and 52, 56, 60, 68 wedges. I have put a lot of people into a shorter driver length over the years and the majority it has helped them find the fairways more easily. These are all mid to high handicap folks. Great video. Shafts really are critical for anyone's game. Most people I encounter who need help have too stiff of a shaft. Flex and length are key.
You are an excellent ball striker. I think for most people the desire to shorten has to do with control for misfits rather than straight up distance. So maybe the test is really to get some mid handicappers and apply similar test plan.
Time for me to hit the used Callaway website to find a 44" reg flex to replace my stock stiff shaft. I don’t bring the thunder like i used to!😂 Was doing a fitting at my club recently and had to ask the guy to stop calling out my carry distances out loud. I know I'm a short hitter i don’t need everyone else to hear...😊
I cut my current driver shaft down by I think half an inch. At first, it didn't feel much better and my driving didn't improve. I then watched a video from TxG and Ian Fraser said that if you reduce shaft length, you have to add a bit of headweight to maintain swing weight. I think it was something like 2g per half inch. When I added the headweight, my driving was vastly improved.
If everyone took a shot every time Ross says “to be fair”, we’d all be very drunk by now, to be fair 😂
lol good drinking game
I prefer the 'I don't hate it' drinking game.
Well to be fair...I don't hate it
@@PauloG100 either way, we’ll be keeping the liquor stores in business !
I’d be curious to see CPM numbers with every length at the same swing weight
On that note, would be curious to see the same test with same swing weight.
Yeah I may do this at some point, I think I'd need to get a tester in, whenever I do tests theres basically no difference 😂
From research it seems going back to the same sw the shaft may actually cpm softer
Most of us average golfer don’t necessarily need tons of distance, we need consistency, accuracy, forgiveness, a pleasing sound, value! Choking up does help, so does the proper ball! What about counter weighting in the handle? Thanks
Great video and test and explanation, I've just shortened my driver and it feels like i have so much more control especially for someone who slices occasionally, and the driver feels so much lighter that i feel like i can generate more speed which is handy being in the slower swing speed bracket 👍
Great video Ross, loving my 44.5’’ Ping G430 Max Driver!
Hey Simon! Great to hear it's going well mate 👊👊
I truly appreciate the "idea" of this test. But to be completely fair, you would need some time "between" each length adjustment to resynchronize your setup and delivery for the new feel of the club. Then you could establish consistency as the length and other factors are changing.
Awesome video, i was always under the impression shorter the shaft more creates a more neutral path ! Very interesting too see!
Quality content per usual! Love the incite less the marketing blah blah from others. Really was interesting to see strike stats so similiar across lengths. Your comfort seemed best on shorter, even though you mashed many of the 46, lol.
Thanks Bill! Yeah my missus regardless of shaft length will always be big unfortunately 😭😂 but yeah generally I would agree. I tend to play around the 45 👌
Dude I'd take your big misses any day! 😂
Love the approach and the time stamps - these are really useful vids
Thanks Boredy 👊
Great video, thanks. How do you think a constant swing weight at say D3 would have affected your swing/results as the shaft was getting shorter?
No worries at all! Ummm hard to say...theoretically more head mass may make it slightly harder to square so that could have made me miss slightly more right possibly....again can't say for sure though. Also typically with me I swing heavier heads slower so may have seen slower club speed and ball speed too. But that's a guess based on previous tests. The reality would be it would depend how I was swinging on that day 😂
Great vid lad, really informative stuff here. I see no reason to play anything longer than 45"... Right now playing 44.75" and it's been great.
Plan on doing this myself next week, got two cobra heads, 3 shafts, a Rapsodo mln 2 and face impact sticker.
For me, I find the change in lie angle makes a big difference on low loft clubs, with longer shaft lifting the toe and causing more left misses. Shorter shaft lowers toe and more right misses. I think you compensate extremely well for variations in club. Great video and I think the most important take away for me is that people swinging 44.5 are probably not giving up much swing speed and likely will benefit much more than you did on finding the sweet spot. Thanks for doing this!
Great video. Tiger and Greg Norman at their height played 43.75. Would be interested to see if there's any impact if you add more weight to the head as the shaft shortens to balance the swing weight. I've just shortened my driver to 43.75 and not seeing any real change in distance.
Interesting research. There was not as much difference between shafts lengths as I expected. I suspect that this is heavily due to you being able to hit the sweet spot regardless of length. I suspect that with less ability in this that the differences would be greater and the 46" shaft would be considerably less accurate.
Recently picked up a mini driver with 43.75 shaft and lost a bit of distance in comparative shots in the fairway. However, getting more shots IN the fairway, so when compared to the misses with my regular driver that include OB shots, shots in the woods or topped 150 yards - I’m way ahead in distance gained.
i cut my driver down to 44 inch, hit the fairway almost everytime now , and i started only 2 months ago
Great stuff! Yes a shorter shaft 100% can help, especially early on in the game 🙌👍
I've been struggling with "standard" tee height and set up. Drill on range with low tee for low point control. Played 9 with same idea and automatically hitting fairways and to target. Small sample, but why would a low tee improve contact? Ball dis go low unless really well struck, then ball would launch. Next ideas is trying with more loft to increase ball height
So what has the greater effect on the performance of the golf shaft, length, weight, flex, or shaft profile?
Cobra adds 4g more weight to the head when they ship a "tour length" shaft (their stock offering of a 44.5" driver) it improves feel considerably as well as ball flight
From my personal experience going 45.5 to 44.5 moved my strike to the toe and increased left miss. But by changing shafts to stiffer tipped shaft and cutting down to 45 I not only gain distance, height and accuracy.
Would adding weight back (to keep a fixed swingweight) change the flex ? Id assume it would maybe balance the flex added from the cut down.
Another great video. I have been using a 44.25” driver for a long time. Titleist TSi2 driver the last couple years. This year I bought a different shaft, and went 45” I just got back from playing a 3 day tournament, and my partner signed me up to play the Senior tees. Courses were tight and lots of bunkers. I played a lot of bunt drivers, choking up about 1.5” on the shaft. On the holes with less trouble, I would grip it normally. On the last day I finally realized that I was hitting more fairways and hitting the ball as long as I was used to, when I was choked up. I’m putting in my old shaft for tomorrow’s round. I always tried to get the swingweight back up to around D2. I think for tomorrow’s round I won’t bother, and see what happens. ⛳️🏌🏽♂️
Does choking down on the club give the same differences as cutting it down? Or does swing weight stay more similar?
By coincidence last night I put a 3 wood Kaili white 70S into my Aerojet LS lofted it up to 12* to try & create a kind of “mini” driver & headed off to the practice ground.
As you say it was noticeably lighter to swing which allowed me to attack more ? If that makes sense. My gamer driver is a Mizuno ST-Z with Kaili White 60S 45.25” & the Longest drive was with the mizuno BUT not by much and the Cobra was much tighter front to back and left to right.
I have a dilemma now whether to take Frankenstein’s Driver onto the course 😂
Should I add a bit of weight into the head do you think ? I don’t have swing weight machine, is there a diy way of getting it close ?
Does player height play a factor. Im 6'2" just ordered a 46 inch driver, looking for more distance at age 57.
Is that a good plug for mini driver based on these stats?
Ross a went like for like from a stealth 2 HD to i10 max red shaft on the stealth regular shaft to blue shaft reg on the qi10 and cant hit the qi10 at all everything goes straight right now a have lofted up on the i10 and cant hit it any ideas what wrong trottie says get the swing weight checked asap
Would like to see the same test, but maintaining a constant swing weight.
If you took off the half inch from the tip vs the butt, how does that affect the CPM increase? If it goes up 4ish points from a butt trim, is a trip rim +7-9?
Love the videos as always 👍🏻 Would love to see you build a 2 driver setup, maybe a normal 45.5/46 longer driver 9.deg, for open fairways - bombers. And a 2nd “mini” driver, normal driver head but 43.5”, 12’deg loft fairway finder. All swing weighted correctly etc. be really interesting to see if there is enough difference if you build 2 drivers, rather than a buying off the shelf mini driver, and drop a 3 wood to make space
That would be a good test, may do that in future 👍 my initial reaction would be the overall dispersion wouldn't be different enough for me to bother. Which is generally why I never really gamed a 3 wood. Dispersion same as driver so if I need to keep it in play I would always go for an iron as 3 wood miss is just as bad as driver 😂
TXG (now Club Champion) done this test already.
@@epgolfstudios What about a super short low lofted wood instead? Like 13 degrees at 41 inches? Saw Drew cooper putting that sort of club in the bag recently to replace 3-wood and 2 iron, if you know who he is
I'm sure they've done most tests you can think of now to be fair
Yeah I know who Drew is, absolutely bombs it! And does sound interesting. I may have a play around! 👍
Callaway fitter at demo day had me play with 1” shorter staff because he said I will hit it more often in center
Yeah theoretically that makes sense. Practically you would have to do quite a lot of testing to prove it.
So I want to cut down all my shafts to about 6-iron length. I want to know more about shaft frequency.
Interesting. I thought it would make a lot more difference than it appears to. Would gripping down the shaft a bit more have similar effect as shortening it?
It will be different for different players in all fairness. I may re-do the test with a more average speed, mid handicap player. But I also thought I would see a little bit more difference than I did. And no not really, because gripping down doesn't really change shaft characteristics or swingweight really.
Would you add heavier weights in the head to get the swing weight back up, with the shorter shaft?
Yes, cobra adds 4g more weight to the head with their standard "tour length" shaft. Which from the factory is 44.5"
Very interesting. I was led to believe that cutting from the butt made the flex play softer. Would you recommend then adding weight to the head if it's been cut down? Thanks for the video.
No, anytime the shaft is shorter it will play stiffer, doesn't matter where you cut it from. If you cut from the tip the shaft will play stiffer than if you cut from the butt. And in terms of adding weight it depends on too many things for me to answer that. I.e. what head your using, what shaft your using, how much you're cutting down, what your tendencies are etc. but generally speaking for most amateurs I would say do not add weight unless you are cutting down a large amount.
@@epgolfstudios Thank you Ross... shall leave it to the experts.
I have recently performed this exact same test on myself. Took a 46" (D6 swing weight) shaft down to 44.25" and then adjusted weights in the head to bring it back to a D0. It's a bone crusher now, with a must easier to control draw. 👍
Thanks Ross 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
So in theory get a reg flex trim it down to play stiffer. Whst about the shaft weight? Did that 60g become 50g by the end roughly
Likely only 5g of shaft removed
I may have missed it, but any difference in club head speed?
That's at the end when we compare all the numbers
Did I miss something, why wasn’t the swing weight kept consistent with the length change? Makes the results null as you now have 2 variables and are unable to tell which or both is causing a change in results.
Also, Would the extra weights not neutralise the CPM increase due to the head mass increase?
Specifically did not change swingweight mainly because most people who would do this as an average weekend golfer would not think to add head weight. And for the most part I recommend that people cutting down the shaft do not add head weight to change swingweight as that will hinder the average golfer more than just playing a lighter swingweight. Most tests I do as the average person would so the test would be more true to real life. And yes adding head weight would make the shaft play softer but the shaft would still play a bit stiffer then previous regardless of adding mass as it wouldn't be a lot
@@epgolfstudios ok, I understand the rationale, but maybe a lost opportunity in educating people that cutting an inch off your driver is not always the best idea in isolation.
I’ve played with several people who in the pursuit of straighter shots have shortened a club and ended up at an unplayable swing weight and hit it worse.
Is the length taken off the shaft only or including the head?
The length I'm talking about in the video is the full playing length of the club, not just the length of the shaft, then obviously I'm cutting 0.5" off the shaft each time to change the overall playing length
If you play a stiff shaft, would it be better to cut down a softer shaft to end up with a stiffer profile when finished?
Possibly, again there are so many variables in that. Firstly determining the correct shaft stiffness for you, as a 'stiff' shaft could be 3 flexes different from another 'stiff' shaft, so looking at what shaft you are using to start off with, then looking at how much you want to cut it down and figuring out how much the shaft will stiffen up. Generally speaking id say no unless you are planning on cutting off a lot. But a really hard question to answer.
@@epgolfstudiosgot it. Very little
Most golfers are double digit handicappers. High handicap golfers should be playing 43-44 inch drivers with a 100 gram shaft. Shafts kick toward the bottom so there is virtually no distance loss and high handicappers will hit the ball farther because they will hit the ball on the center of the face and the heavy shaft will smooth out their tempo. No one fits for shaft length or weight. Why aren't we giving golfers clubs they can actually hit??? The golf industry's GREED! If we gave golfers clubs they could actually hit they would never buy clubs again. Several years ago I was playing golf with my dad. He had a POS driver from a local sporting goods store. He was in the trees right all day. On hole 10 he asked to hit my 44.5 inch X flex driver with an 80 gram shaft. His swing speed was around 80 mph. He hit my driver dead straight down the middle of the fairway about 240 yards, so I'm speaking from experience.
Tip or butt trim?
Played my best golf last week with a ping g425 lst and no head weight and a regular counter balanced 3 wood shaft 🤣hit all fairways and won longest drive
Sounds like that's the set up for you then 😂👌👌
@@epgolfstudios got obsessed in using the swing weight calculators online and noticed I prefer a light swing weight.
Why did you pick a fairway at all. Range would have been a fairer comparison. Good though. Very interesting. Thanks.
Just gives much more of an idea of the result and offline when watching, rather than just hitting into a huge field
This is great comparison. I shortened my driver to 45” and it worked wonders on my dispersion.
My only problem now is the push fade you’re experiencing. But I think that’s more of a user error 😅.
Glad it helped. And yes unfortunately we can't blame equipment for everything...as much as we like to 😂😂😂
If you go shorter length, you might need to adjust lie angle to compensate to keep start line the same. So if you go from 45.5 to 45, you might need to set hosel to .5 to .75 upright to keep face at similar angle.
Ive come to the conclusion that you are just too adaptive with all these great tests
I put a 46” shaft and it was like cheating how far I was hitting
Looks like 44.5 is the way to go for dispersion and virtually no loss of distance
Done this sort of test a few times and I'm starting to think the same 👀👀 and actually game it. My driving couldn't get much worse so worth a try 🤷😂
Thinking the same, bugger all the other technical confusing stuff. Nothing to really worry about
@@MrBrendon7 I was fit for the Titleist TSR2, regular flex, at 45", and the club was built by Titleist. I kept having trouble hitting the ball all over the driver face during my rounds, and subsequently did an extensive test on the driving range. I started out hitting balls at 45" with foot powder spray on the face and was hitting the toe and heal consistently. Not many shots were in the middle of the face. After cleaning the face and respraying the foot powder, I gripped down exactly 1/2" and hit the same number of balls. My shots were consistently in the middle of the club face. After this little experiment, I cut down the shaft 1/2", regripped the club, and increased the back weight to bring my swing weight closer to the original D5 that came from Titleist. I now hit the driver just as far, but find the fairway over 75% of the time!
@pauldavis8286 nice mate, it's weird the oem,s keep bringing out longer shafts when it's proven heaps it actually hurts our game more than help
Ive switched to a 44.5", and because I find the center more often and keep it on the fairway, it's a net gain across the board. Just need to be sure to get the swing weight back up to D2-D3 levels by adding more weight to the head.
Extremely interesting video. Smash that like button 👇
Thanks A 👊👊
Please stand still
.....no 😂
Shocked you did not add weight as you shortened the shaft. Put 12 grams on the head and then tell us the freq. this is just sort of senseless. Cut the shaft, leave the head.
You totally missed the point of the test.
Listen before stupidly commenting
@@CharlotteK2008 right. What makes you think I did not ? He just proved the earth is round. Stupid test. Well known , obvious results. Nothing unique here. What he shows here is known by everybody with half a clue on club building.
Ross, just picked up an Accra tz6. 60 gram stiff. Used to playing a tensei 1k white 60s. Obviously different ends of the spectrum. I’m now hitting nice high draws, but my height is anywhere from 34-37 yards high making my descent angle almost straight down. Spin is good, just no roll out because of the height. Would you say trying to take this shaft to 45” from the standard TaylorMade length would be the first step ? Or would tipping be a better idea? I really like the feel of this shaft, and would like to put it in the bag if I can get the height down. Coming off wrist surgery my swing speed isn’t back to where it previously was to play the 1k white. Only averaging 106 mph. Down from 115. Much appreciated!!!
Might have to game the 46 from now on 👍🏻🏌🏻♂️ great video as always m8.
Cheers Chris 👊 na bit long for me that is 😂