The Insane Foreshadowing of To You 2000 Years Later - Overanalyzing Attack on Titan & Retrospective
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- Today at the Mystery Shack, we return to where it all began - the first episode of Attack on Titan and begin to retrospectively overanalyze every single episode in anticipation of its conclusion. The series is well known for countless instances of foreshadowing, even showing you Eren's abilities in the very first scenes, showing Ymir's story, and many more, so we'll be looking at all of them to see how many times the answers were staring us in the face all along. And just as importantly - we'll also be looking at all the incredible pieces of music, animation and basically anything else I want to bring up.
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0:00 Introduction
1:02 Opening Sequence
5:04 The First OP
6:17 To You 2000 Years Later & Eren’s Dream
8:32 Chekov’s Gun in Attack on Titan
9:59 How did Eren see the future if he doesn’t have the Attack Titan?
15:43 The Long Dream
18:42 Eren & Hannes
20:22 Eren’s Ambitions
22:00 Scouts Return from a Mission & Thematic Notes
24:55 The Walls & Midcards
26:45 Grisha & Eren
29:43 Retcons or Planned?
32:04 Armin, Mikasa and Eren
34:10 The Calm Before…
35:47 The Storm
39:05 First Closing - Mikasa’s Blinded by the Scarf?
40:21 Hopes for this Series
40:41 Outro
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👋 Hiya folks - just a quick note. I thought I made it pretty clear in the video, but *I am anime only* - have received a few people asking why there is no manga spoiler tag, etc., but like I said in the video - everything I talk about regarding future events is purely speculation/my own theories, though clearly there are spoilers up to the latest episode of the anime. Similarly, a few people have asked my thoughts on the ending, and there too the answer is simple - I've got no clue what the ending is. 😂
Perhaps my wording wasn't clear enough, but this series of videos will only ever talk about the anime adaptation, as I've not read a single chapter of the manga. Hope that clears up any future confusion! 👍
btw on the note of you saying was the story all ready planned out from the start, i remember reading something about the managua artist originally planning to end the story early with everyone being killed, but after the huge popularity decided to make it longer. to me that shows that all these plot points were only conceived about a quarter of the way into the story which i honestly find really interesting if true. its like the younger artist set up the ending of the story without realizing it just like young eren sets up the plot of aot without realizing it
If Eren can show his past self any memory that he wants than he could have shown his younger self who the Colossal Titan, Armored Titan and Female Titan is before they breached Wall Maria which led to the demise of his mother.
Oh sh!t… I just realized something. When Eren’s father was freaking out about knowing that Eren’s mother, his wife was gonna be devoured by a Titan but didn’t know when because Eren wouldn’t tell him.
The poor man had no idea that it was his own decision to delete and devour the Royal family and take the Founding Titan for himself that led to his own wife’s demise.
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@Ender Shepard anything that will happen has already happened, meaning that even if Eren chose to show who the other shifters are nothing would change about the death of his mother. And if he showed who the other shifters were to stop them early (during their recruitment) then Eren wouldn't have had a chance to initiate the rumbling; which is his final plan to free all Eldians past, present, and future.
That fixed timeline is why Eren is so depressed in season 4. He realizes the timeline is fixed and he is not truly free. All he wanted was to be free.
i think more than not being truly free he realizes that even after defeating all the titan, theres still enemies that want to destroy them, and found out that basically the rest of humanity feels that paradise (eldians) are all demons and must be anihilated, thats why he chose to anhililate all
@@diegoporras3111 Eren represents Satan, the enemy, the one against fate, the one who craves free will, but at the end, he himself noticed no one cant defy fate
i dont get what you men by "fixed" was the timeline broken or smthin ?
@@Veloctity_Vortex this comment was almost a year ago lol, and no , you gotta look up the meaning of fixed ahah
@@diegoporras3111 dude i already know the meaning of fixed it is when something is broken and than gets fixed so i dont get what you mean when you said eren was sad because the timeline is fixed he should be happy and not sad right ?
Sometimes I'm so nostalgic of the times when the biggest interest of the series was finding out what was in the basement
Sometimes I'm so nostalgic of the times when I wondered who the Colossal and Armored Titans were.
This guy making a 40min Video about the first episode just shows how well written AoT is.
AOT is plagiarism
@@DarkEpicPheonix who’s the original?
@@philophysics7423 Based on Muv Luv Unlimited & Muv Luv Alternative
@@DarkEpicPheonix 🥱🥱🥱
@@DarkEpicPheonix Taking inspiration and having similarities is not plagiarism. If that was plagiarism, art would be dead. New art is made by taking inspiration from everything including aspects of the stories we love
Very sad that the anime did not have a shot of Mikasa in short hair and Erin saying the line "your hair got longer" when he woke up. When I re-read the manga I had so much fun figuring out where that came from. Instead the short hair Mikasa got moved to the ending song.
I’m really hoping it has something to do with the AOE
@@MacKenzieAkari there’s not gonna be an AOE. Mappa has been incredibly faithful to the manga and there’s no real reason to change the ending. Wit most likely left it out because they didn’t know of the line’s significance. Wit did the same with a number of details.
@@breck1637 let me have hope 😭
@@breck1637 you do know that Isayama is very close with both studios and made those changes right? I don’t know why people keep saying Wit made these changes just because when Isayama has to approve it or he’s the one who told wit to make the change. Either way the changes is obviously intentional for a reason
@@MacKenzieAkari Hope for what? There’s no reason to change the ending lmao
In vol 1 of the manga, there's an interview with isayama at the end in which he does state that he's had the entire plotline planned out and knows what will happen in which volume. So, yes. There doesn't even need to be a debate on whether he planned it out or not. If you read the 1st chapter of the manga, it's even more obvious than the anime that it was all planned out
He was probably bluffing. Just got lucky that in the end everything looks like he was telling the truth.
@@T1Slam Yeah you're wrong. There's countless clear hints to stuff that would happen waaaay later into the series. Of course 100% wasn't planned out, but most of it amd the main plot points character motivations and general direction and themes of the story were for sure well thought out beforehand
@@matheusjezini that's just a theory, while I'M probably right.
@@T1Slam it's no theory, you're the one disregarding the author's ability here and he has shown to be a marvelous writer
@@T1Slam mangaka:I planned the most part of the story from the start.
You: haha,no😐
Users of the Attack Titan cannot send memories to themselves, they can only send their memories to the previous user. The reason Eren can see these memories in the very first episode is because Ymir showed them to him, hence the title "To You [Eren], in 2000 Years". Conversely, Episode 80's title is "From You [Ymir], 2000 Years Ago". In this episode, Eren alludes to Ymir sending him those memories in the first episode, stating that she was doing so to guide Eren. Why she did that is never explicitly stated. Although it could be inferred that she did this to achieve her own freedom.
attack titan can only show memories of future to the past user right. Then how ymir sent it to future eren, why not eren kruger or grisha
Or his futur self simply send those memories via the founding titan once ymir gave him controle over it don't forget the founder is connected to all eldians and eren is an eldian
Trying to wrap my head around how this(the attack titan/founding) works is like trying to say what king crimson does lmao
I think I get it, but I also don't yo
I have my little headcanon that when Ymir gave Eren the full power of the founder, she had to come in contact with his path in a way that caused a "glitch" in the timeline, ACCIDENTALLY sending memories to young Eren in a dream
If Eren can give memories to Ymir in the past can't he save everyone by saving Ymir from the parasite.
The fact that time is deterministic in this universe would strip everyone of free will - which makes Eren even more tragic. He is bound by his visions as soon as he sees them, and he is controlled by Ymir's pull towards the future so that she finally could be free. He never became free, even when he had all the power in the world he was still a bird in a cage.
Or it means everyone already made their choices and waiting for things to play out.
Watching those memories is like watching a movie / video. Everybody made their choices, there are no ifs. You just have the ability to see what happens before / after these choices.
Despite all of his rage, he was still just a rat in a cage.
Yeah, Vogel Im Käfig
After leaving his cage, he found himself in a bigger one.
Yes 💔 poor Eren
You nailed it perfectly! Eren did not time travel or manipulate the events of the story, everything that has happened already happened either way.
It's so messed up like everything has already happened but what already happened only happened because eren manipulated certain events throughout his life even though he was always ment to do so, so he didn't really change anything 😂
@@mullaoslo i believe Eren learns from his past lives and tries different things
He did manipulate them but he was always meant to manipulate them
Eren ABSOLUTELY manipulated events of the story, that is outright stated AND SHOWN. Present Eren is a slave to his own future self and his own nature. He comes to each decision realizing that the decision that is made is the one he would make. He never makes any attempt to change the future because he can't, he is trapped not by the deterministic nature of the universe, but by the simple fact that all the choices he made HE AGREES WITH and would and did take himself.
@@Tyrantofthewind fax the only divergence point would've been Mikasa but she was always meant to chicken out
The manga actually has way more foreshadowing that the anime cut out for some reason.
Probably cut out because of time.
@@ms.andrea172. I mean there were things that were in one panel that foreshadow huge events that the anime left out, they definitely could’ve put those in.
They probably didn't realize how important those minute details were.
@@1001011011010 I agree, there was a lot of stuff they cut out because they didn’t know how the story was going to go , even Isayama didn’t know, he was writing the story as the anime premiered.
@@willhernandez8494 I think Isayama may have known (a show like this looks very planned out, either that or the author is good at making much of small details), but not the animation studios.
The reason i got instantly hooked on the first episode isn't the Titans. It wasn't eren. It wasn't beyond the walls. It was the insanely realistic take on reality. No matter how powerful you are, what Titan you have, and what clan you are from, this world is cruel and nobody can escape that reality. I felt so grim. I have never had the emotions i felt before i watched AOT.
I would even go as far as to say that Eren knew Mikasa was the one who had to eventually stop him, making his younger self save Mikasa no matter what, leading to the brutal scene where a young Eren violently kills. I always thought it was insane that a kid was capable of such violence, but it makes sense when you think that older Eren is there making that happen, even using the older Eren motto "attack, attack"
If you go back to everytime he saves her the windows are different. I think that's showing it's either been altered or revisited. Plus the look on his face that Mikasa slowly realizes was very dark for a kid that had never killed, I think it's future Eren guiding him to kill the kidnappers. We do see him in his memories at the moment after the cabin, so we know he did go back to then.
I’m pretty sure he’s just a messed up kid that would do anything for freedom. Eren knows himself and he probably wouldn’t change it if he considers his own nature.
Good idea, but I think Eren himself says it best
“I’ve always been like this. If anyone attempts to take my freedom, I won’t hesitate to take theirs.”
He saw some awful people trying to steal some poor girls life, so he showed no mercy
30:00 it had to be planned from the get go because in the first chapter of the manga grisha's eyes are blurred as he goes out the door and we later learn that at that moment he was staring at future eren
I wish WIT didn't change the dream sequence Eren had in the first episode, it's relevant later in the story. It ties back the loose ends. Missed opportunity.
fr when i read 138 and went back to ch1 i was shocked
MASSIVE SPOILER
Yeah and the Anime also didn't have the cross on the tree, which was in Chapter 1 of the Manga (the place where Eren's head will be buried).
That's not a mistake it was done purposely, Mappa has done the same thing twice
@@BAEHELPJAYDO where has Mappa done it?
@@thesmashgamer4896 watch the last episode of Part 2, Kid Eren is still lying down instead of like in chapter 1 sitting up in the position he died in in Chpater 138 & Mappa has done it before that aswell but I need to rewatch to find it
eren showing his younger self his mom being eaten before it happens tells me that eren knows he’s in a fixed timeline and tries to change it. everything eren does isn’t his own, it’s what he’s meant to do. there’s a few times in the show (and the manga i’ve been told) that pairs with the idea that eren tries to change the course of events, but because it’s a fixed timeline, he can’t.
@Erik Kemeey His Freewill is kinda Ymir's Will
@@brownrachaelkekong9891 essentially his will is god’s will. Sounds familiar
so in the end he was never really free
@@sashalvy being a slave of Ymir’s freedom. How ironic
This isn't canonical though. This is anime only. In the manga we're (in hindsight) introduced to the end of an alternative time path.
So, based on Eren not understanding why freedom was driving to this path, I feel as if Ymir was driving him. I feel as if it was her feelings. She hated being a slave, but it's all she knew. She knew Mikasa would end it, so I feel this had something to do with Erens path. Plus he asked her "is this why you led me here?" I don't believe it was him at all. Freedom was her thing. For thousands of years, she had never been free. Eren was obviously used and it became his purpose.
It is even more intense, when you think that makes eren her slave...
EXACTLY THANK YOU
@@maximilianarlt2633 yep. That's the tragedy. His whole life he wanted freedom, but then he finds out when he sees the future that he will never be free. Everytime he tries to have something change, it's reinforced he's only alive for Ymir, and he has no freedom, and his life was never his to begin with.
@@maximilianarlt2633 wrong eren is not a slave of ymir...eren himself choose to carry ymir's will .cause we know that ymir is the only character who suffered the most even after the death she following orders of bloodline of royal eldians...as in ep we get to see that ymir is good peron kindhearted and lovable...but slavery from the ages pisses her off and hatred anger is developed in her heart...no one ever cared about her...she just started hating people i guess as she make angry face when eren tell her that she in not godees or nor slave she is human u can make your own choice...so she made choice to finally took revenge on people...and eren took carryiny her will...cause thats the only way to end this titans shit...as eren said in earlier ep that he going put this end and he doing it..
@@06kae3 Ymir manipulated eren into freeing her
Damn, thinking about it like this shows just how tragic Eren is. It it’s so many scenes into perspective like Sasha’s death. I think that was the last moment where Eren truly realized there was nothing he could do to change the future from what it was. Her last word was that final straw for him and from there all he could do is is what he had already seen. It is horrible.
yes, he laughed only because he lost hope for changing the past or the future and was reaffirmed that he can't do anything. he confirms the fixed timeline thing multiple times in the show which seemed very odd on first watch without the context xD.
I remember a year or so after season 1 had aired I was talking with a classmate of mine, and we had theorized that the titans were actually people. I think we even went as far as thinking something along the lines of them being prisoners of a more advanced civilization. Which is crazy given what we learned in season 3.
Me too but I thought the advanced civilization was experimenting on them. Thank god I wasn't right. That would have been such a cliche. The canon version is so much more satisfying.
Daaammmmnn this is plot prediction at its peak. Didn't you feel like meh after viewing S3 , since you predicted the plot almost perfectly
@@suryasid8521 Not really. I had to dig through my memory to even remember the fact I thought so in the first place, and even if I didn't forget I would've just been surprised and hyped by how right I ended up being
@@MariusHeartsong What if it was your future self sending memories back of the plot to you?
reawatching it all now its kinda crazy how i and a lot of people didnt see this too
The scene with Moses' mom is so powerful. The biblical Moses was a prophet that led his people to freedom, but died before reaching the promised land himself, and that's basically the Scouts in a nutshell; Laying down their lives so that their people might one day know freedom, even if they themselves die in the process, trusting their comrades to give their sacrifice meaning like Erwin says in S3. Not only is Moses perfect shorthand for the ideals of the Scouts, though, the scene with his mother perfectly shows the flipside of that; That, beneath all the ideals and heroism, the Scouts are just people, with loved ones who will be crushed by their deaths, and as Shadis shows, they can also break under the hopelessness of their mission, and the trauma of seeing their comrades die gruesome deaths.
It's a phenomenal scene that really shows what the Scouts and, to a lesser extent, the entire series, is all about right from the start.
I never realized the walls were that huge. Makes you understand better how absolutely devastating the rumbling is because of how many sheer miles of colossal titans there are
20:00 I think he very likely did see SOMEthing. Eren's future Founding/Attack combo allowed his future self to show his past self something, what exactly isn't clear (other than the quick flashes we saw of his mother getting eaten), but it made him cry. Then as he awoke, he used the memory manipulation from the founding titan to make him forget what he just saw, but the emotional weight of what he witnessed still lingered. "I feel like I had a really long dream. What was it about? I can't remember..."
the music in this anime is beautiful
Absolutely. The OST is simply perfect.
It is similar to hxh's
Finally someone narrating in a nice pace, and enunciating words properly 🎉 thank you 🙏
The part about Eren seeing everything at once - past, present, future - and him crying, and then Ymir crying, makes me wonder why Ymir didn't do anything different in her own life, since she must have seen everything as well at that point? Or maybe not, since the Attack Titan technically only existed after her death.
I asked this to myself and i always thought it was because of plot convenience and with time travel there naturally come plotholes but it kinda makes sense in aot if you look at ymirs character
Ymir is a braindead slave who only wants one thing only : to be loved by her people like frieda stated it that’s her only dream and purpose for „eternity“
she didn’t love the king the only thing she wants is not to love but to be loved by everybody that’s why she obeys the order of the king for „eternity“ she is not intelligent and only does what she did her entire existence being a slave and in her potatoe like mindstate the only thing she can do to be „loved“ is to create the titans in the paths realm she doesn’t have the intelligence or the will to change the future or past because she only can do what she always did be a slave and obey it’s not her role to change the future and past or even in her interest she lives her „dream“ in the paths zone
And the one thing that wakes her up from her twisted dream is mikasa killing eren giving up on her dream to be with eren her entire life so by ymir seeing this mikasa opens her eyes and ymir gives up on her dream and stops chilling out in the paths zone and vanishes
Beside I agree @LoFiBros my answer simpler.Yimir was the only titan then.She couldn't has future or past memories of past holders so she can't seen what'll happen with her. This (non) time travel "tricky",but I think this way, maybe I'm wrong.And everything has to start somewhere so in my logic possible that Yimir's titan began with zero acknowledge of the world's later state including her future death.
@@agnesszajko8600 ymir knows what will happen in the entire story the moment she got in contact with the mighty sperm in fact she knows every single outcome of every single decision anyone will make and has made
The evidence is the title of the first chapter : to you 2000 years from now
This is a message from ymir to eren so she knew from the beginning every outcome of every future path there is and by sending that message she chose what path we as a viewer will witness ymir sending eren her memories leads to the timeline we witness ymir is literally the creator of the entire story you could actually say that ymir is isayama himself
The timeline in aot works just like the paths describe it
If you have full access to the sperm powers your existence is not singular there is no 1 timeline but with every decision you or someone else makes the timeline splits into another path and you co exist and experience every single one of them at the same time that’s what we see in the manga : eren ask mikasa what he is for her this is a point were the paths split we have path 1 she says he is family = rumbling happens
And path 2 she says i love you = they run away and live until eren dies
but there are likely infinite other paths the story could go
And as the founder you live in every path at the same time and time becomes irrelevant and you are kinda a omnipresent being at every point in time in every path that’s why eren is so depressed after kissing historias hand he knows that the rumbling will happen no matter what maybe not in the timeline we as the viewer experience but certain in one of the paths there will be a rumbling everyone he loves will die there will be one path where he gets stopped ( manga path) and there will be a path where its not gonna happen
We clearly see that ymir also has the ability to exist in every single path because we see a paths shard of her not jumping infront of the spear and live with her children but we as viewers can only witness a single path because it’s a show and we aren’t omnipresent we as a viewer cant witness everything there is at once so the show gets kinda confusing after fusing with the sperm there is no beginning and there is no end there is always a path that goes right back to the start making the „beginning“ not the beginning but just a point on a path itself
As soon as you have access to the past there is no beginning anymore
So after ymir got in contact with the sperm there are infinite paths the story can take infinite future outcomes but we as the viewer only experience the path where she jumps infront of the spear stays ignorant and follows the kings orders until mikasa „opens her eyes“ and see a short moment where she doesn’t do it but we can’t see the other x paths the story could have taken
thats why even the school spin off manga is canon or the ova with the masked man it’s just another path the story could have went but isayama/ ymir didnt chose for us to witness it
@@ranges787 okay, thank you. Absolutely make sense.
well you could argue the power ymir gained from that tree (that creature thing that propably was another person since another similar tree grows in the ending and mikasas possible descendant visits it) is what really guided her we are also shown a different future where king fritz dies by the spear and her children do not have to eat ymir but apparently she too was never really free
Remember back in season 3 when Eren woke up in his cellar he was crying? He received memories and felt like he had a long dream and then wondered where he was. Kind of a similar thing with Falco in the first episode of season 4.
Its crazy how good attack on titan is. Every other series / anime cant even come close. AoT changed my view on the world so much too.
OP has far better world building and foreshadowing
@@user-ou9ju6ps1b Plenty come close, plenty surpass. Its just the statement of someone still fairly new. Usually complicated shows don't become too popular so i can see where he is coming from
@@Pangora2 One Piece has the most complicated storyline in the entire anime world
@@user-ou9ju6ps1bit doesn't come close imo. I love One Piece man but it's clear as hell that Oda just vaguely hints at certain things that he can expand later on.
AoT is WAY more specific and thought out when it comes to hints and foreshadowing. Not to mention Oda has way more time to build up things because the Journey is just THAT long.
By now Oda is probably well aware of his end goal. Tho the furthest stuff he planned ahead from chapter one was maybe Haki and that Luffy will be King of the pirates.
Isayama planned almost every major Plot point of 80% of the whole series just from the first chapter.
@@breadcat3535 attack on Titan is overrated and will never be as great as One Piece
Actually, the one who holds the power to see the past/present/future is Ymir. When Ymir activates the rumbling, along side Eren, he can see it as well. He CAN'T see the future when he gets into the paths, It is because Ymir shared her power with him when he hugged her. Before that, he just saw Grisha's memories of the future (Eren saw his future self alongside Zeke and the Rumbling being activated. That's it. That made him know what he needed to do in order to get what he wanted) That's an important distinction. He CANNOT see beyond this point. 18:40 brilliant point, I must say
Akchually
Honestly, the fact that Isayama managed to include time shenanigans in a way that holds up under scrutiny is already a testament to his writing ability. It doesn't matter if that was planned from the start or not, the fact he never once contradicted himself with the "time travel" is amazing.
Aot is simply the greatest piece of fiction I’ve ever experienced.
I'm glad he mentioned the bullies from the first few episodes were never seen again. During my rewatch I actually tried to see if they showed up later and I just didn't realize it.
Yea 1 or 2 of em got crushed by rocks. You could see it 😅
We also have to remember that Armin inherits the Colossal Titan, so maybe his hunch is borne from that very connection to Bertholt. We don't know if the other Titans have the same ability to see the past and future versions of themselves, but if they do that makes Armin's scarily accurate prediction all the more understandable.
They can’t
Only the attack titan can
I remember my (now ex-) girlfriend's brother came to us one morning, and told us that there's this anime he really likes, and since we have a lazy day we could watch it together.
I'm not an anime kind of guy, but I gave it a shot, but wasn't so enthusiastic about it.
We watched Attach on Titan S01 the whole day. When we finished I asked him to put on the second season, because it's awesome and captivating.
He told me that there's no season 2, he had been waiting for years.
My joy swiftly shifted to a really good cocktail of emotions from betrayal to anger to disappointment.. everything.
I didn't know if I should thank him for the experience, of shoo at him for not providing enough. In conclusion I jumped off a tower and died.
If we want to take it even further, then Eren was the one who killed his own mother as well as his father's sister, which eventually became his own motivation.
Grisha took his little sister outside of the internment camp to see the ocean and the blimps. They were spotted by two officers who beat Grisha and killed his sister. The one who beat Grisha even made him stay so he wouldn't follow his sister. That officer was the Owl, the one possessing the Attack Titan before Grisha. Zeke eventually ratted out the Restorationists, sending Grisha and Dina to Paradise to be turned into titans. The Owl was the one who brought them there and turned Dina into a titan - the very same titan that would eventually kill Eren's mother. The choices the Owl made led directly to the death of Grisha's sister, which made him hate Marley even more, which made him join the Restorationists, which got him and Dina sent to Paradise, which led to Eren's mother's death. Eren might have willed it all to happen.
Futhermore, the Owl sent hundreds if not thousands to be turned into titans on Paradise Island, locking Eren up inside the walls and making him longing for the outside world. The Owl sent all those mainland people to their demise as sacrifices, just as Eren would eventually sacrifice ALL mainlanders for his purpose. The Owl's callousness is exactly the same as Eren's. All because Eren willed it through the power of the Attack Titan.
I’ve always liked how in the very first chapter of the manga, carved into the tree Eren was sleeping on is the Restoration-ist Logo. I’m not sure why the anime never included it though.
Eren was not the attack Titan yet in the first episode. It was actually the founding Titan, either Ymir or Future Eren that sent the memories in the first episode.
I think so to, given the name of the episode
Korotos, you are one of my fav content creators and after falling in love again with the walking dead from your videos, I always expected you to start Fear TWD next, but I am 100% excited to hear you talk about this show. It's truly going to be remembered as one of the greatest stories ever told.
Your frequent mentions of Mikasa stopping Eren is making so much sense in my mind. just thinking about ever time that Annie is asking Mikasa specifically if she could kill Eren, or if she could stand by and watch someone else do it. It makes so much sense for her to be the one to do it. It's the Ackerman's that can't be controlled by the founding titan, right? So would it make sense that way? Since she and Levi are the only ones out of the group that fall under that?
You made a video, twice as long as a single episode of aot, on the first episode. That just shows the level of detail put into this incredible show.
Man, between the retrospective of The Walking Dead and overanalyzing Attack on Titan we are definitely on the same page my friend!
He wrote the first page with the ending already in mind. There's literally no way he could've written that much foreshadowing and plot without already having a clear ending in mind. It's too well woven together
Im so happy i picked this series up again. I didnt think it would get to where it was. But the writing and planning and subtle hints….just blow most stories out of the water
I’ve read the manga so no spoilers but so many comments are either right on the nose or so close. ugh this series is sooo good, just amazing from beginning to end
Eren’s very name is, especially in regards to your analysis of the hunted becoming the hunters, is a huge foreshadowing. Yaeger (actually and accurately spelled Jäger) is the actual term for hunter in German and also a surname.
The more I know about this show, the sadder it becomes 😭
This has got to be my all-time favorite show. There's so much to unpack, so much mystery, so much action. I've legit watched it five times now xd
I absolutely love your TWD retrospective series so I am really glad to see you cover AoT. Are you planning to cover a couple episodes per video or whole arcs?
Definitely not whole arcs! The video would be 3 weeks long 😅
We'll see how it goes, episode 1 turned out to be 40 mins on it's own, but I want to aim for 30ish minute uploads. In case some episode is more lore heavy or something, then yeah - I'll probably mix a couple together.
@@Koroto I'd love to see you cover AOT. Your TWD retrospectives brought be to the channel also, and with AOT being my favorite series of all time I know it'd be an immediate click lol
@@Musclingus AoT was my fav series until I heard and read about the manga ending. Have you read it? It genuinely ruined the entire series for me. Feels like GoT all over again. 124 great chapters then all of a sudden a nose dive right until the ending. Feel like I have been trolled lol never liking a show again
I'm also watching One Piece and watching his videos as I'm finishing the arcs. Almost caught up! You should pick it up if you haven't already. As someone who's seen a lot of the critically acclaimed and community acclaimed shows, one piece is TOP tier
I love the idea of Isayama taking the most typical thing about Shonen, like Naruto wanting to be the next Hokage, Kaneki wanting to change the 2 worlds he lives in between to, etc, and turning it into the actual main plot instead of the main character's driving force. Instead of having a protagonist with a cliché resolve being a superhero, we have a protagonist being the antagonist after all with the most Shonen thing about Shonen without it being a cliché.
Not original, already happened in a shonen, i don't remeber it's name, but the main character is a guy with a pruple eye
@@yeciidquintero6784so Sasuke or pain
The creator originally had planned to kill everyone but changed his plan after the series got popular. I wonder what the original ending was or how if it was very different
Aot has one of, if not the best first episode in all of anime imo, and its the only anime that never drops in quality, it only gets better.
It drops in quality after Eren activates the rumbling
@@DarkEpicPheonix No
@@Spriqqan It does, its filled with retcons and poor writing, especially poor considering it's stolen from Muv Luv
Really glad your covering aot it’s one of my favorite animes got into it around season 3 and I’ve been incredibly into it
I find it interesting when Eren is after his mother dies he’s on the boat with Mikasa and Armin he says he’ll kill them all. He could mean he’ll kill all titans but also later he ends up killing 80% of humanity and not just titans. Though titans turn out to be humans so he’s actually killing both
You nailed the prediction!
I started to rewatch AoT after finishing it and honestly I think Armin being the narrator is... So so perfect. They say how they're going to tell their story to the world.
He's doing just that, narrating all that happened, right from the beginning, recounting everything they've faced.
Only attack and titan can have a 40 minute video done about the first episode
40 minute video for a 20 minute episode
@@snowleopard064 yeah incredible
One of the kids that were beating up Armin (The grey haired one) gets smashed by a piece of the wall when the collossal titan kicks,
I love your speaking style, you relay information like a speech/forensics kid, the structure is great.
i love this, keep them up as long as you dont talk about what hasnt come out yet (in the anime) im biting my nails of waiting till it ends
Unless Eren starts whispering to me, I couldn't even if I wanted to - I'm anime only myself 😂
@@Koroto we share a common curse of self inflicted suffering named "the yearly wait" then
Yeah, that happens when you name something “final season” 3 years before it actually ends 😂😂
I hope the anime ends differently. It was my fav show ever and after reading the last few chapters because I thought meh only 9 chapters left it is not even in my top 10 now. It is as bad if not wose than Game of Thrones ending. I'm not even lying the worst ending I have ever seen. I tried to justify it for like 2 months but then I realised I was just doing mental gymnastics. The mistakes were glaring, plot holes, characters ruined and making no sense. Everyone becomes dumb. Armin becomes Tyrion 2.0. It was like GoT all over again. I do think the anime will end differently
The time travel/manipulation in AOT is probably the most understandable use of this mechanic. The only confusing part is how future Eren is able to choose which memories to show his past self and when to show them.
Also, Eren was always a psycho. He killed two grown men as a child without batting an eye or showing an ounce of sympathy, trauma, or regret. He murdered two people with no reaction while the others, like Armin, nearly have a mental breakdown when they murder people as adults.
that was awesome. cant wait for more. love your TWD retrospective also
Amazing video, the way you explained fixes time-line concept hooked me
Dude, I´m here so hard for your analysis, thank you for your thoughts and hard work you put in it. It´s the best series hands down, everybody can fight me :D
Eren 's development kinda reminds me of Ichigo and how Aizen claims to be behind every major even that shaped his live upon their final confrontation...with the difference that in Bleach we have very little consistency and have to mostly roll with Aizen's statements.
FAXXXX YOU BE on yo anime !!!
Ymir didnt change Eren. By thinking that Eren was somehow influenced by some outside force to do what he does is the same thinking that Zeke had about Eren, only he thought the outside force was Grisha. Ultimately Eren tells both Zeke and the audience that no, he wasnt influenced by anything he was always this way because *he was born into this world.*
Eren is a kid who a 9 years old murdered 2 men pretty coldly, and yeah you can say he was protecting someone but when asked about it later he said he didnt even view them as human he saw them as animals. If your 9 y.o. said that to you you would instantly put them in therapy lol. That's what makes the reveal that it was himself from the future that orchestrated everything fit so well, because in the most fantastic way possible the only outside force that influenced Eren's behavior and decisions was himself; he even told his own father to go and create him via The Owl.
Eren's nature is the same throughout the story
That is kinda the fun part of the story, Eren never changed only our perception of him did.
he’s not saying Ymir changed eren. He’s saying she influenced him into being who he is.
Found you for twd and also love AOT. Great work man
I like to think future Eren made himself want to join the scouts to gain the advantage of information. His father did so as a doctor, but Eren was a fighter, that was all. So him in the scouts is not as pointless as you say, he built his army by using scout spies. Also the first scene where the kids bully Armin, those kids never show up cuz they were eaten clearly 🤣
This was so unexpected but very very welcome
Hey, I've been enjoying your TWD series recently and was stoked to see you cover AoT too! Have you considered reading the manga up to where the anime has adapted?
The anime cut out some key foreshadowing (I.e. Grisha looking at adult Eren in Ep1, "Subject of Ymir" mentioned around Ep13, The Rumbling described in Ep25) and whole sections of the story (S3P1 was basically cut in half, same with Reiner's backstory)
It just makes you appreciate Isayama's planning and worldbuilding so much. Anyway, keep up the great work!
Seconded - I just finished reading the manga up to chapter 130 (where the anime has covered so far) and I’m very happy i did. Although I’m also glad i watched the anime first, which is why I’m subjecting myself to the torture of having to wait before the last 9 chapters
I can't find the "Subject of Ymir" being mentioned in chapter 13, nor the Rumbling" being mentioned in chapter 25.
Can you show me evidence please?
@@szilveszterforgo8776 I meant the anime episodes where the chapters were adapted. i.e. S1E13 adapted Chapter 18 of the manga, and "Subject of Ymir" appeared in Chapter 18.5 (Ilse's Notebook). Similarly, S1E25 adapted Chapter 34, where Armin mentioned the hypothetical Rumbling scenario. You can check out the lines there.
@@kait3n10 Thank you so much, I'll check it out for sure.
I love that even though I've been fan of the series for 6 years now, I find out new things like every two weeks. Thanks
I just wanted to say, I really like your voice explaining things. :D Have a great day!
i would love to see more AOT videos like this great video man! and i’m looking forward to more of your TWD videos
Plenty more of both are on the way! Glad you enjoyed it :)
I do believe the circumstances were planned. I don’t believe the scenes were planned out to their entirety, but he had an idea of what he wanted to capture in the story. he had a idea on what he wanted to deliver in the sequences. he knew he wanted a big opening deal. he wanted a story that tied itself together. Etc. i aspire to be like him haha
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Hi
Just the name of the episodes is more than enough for me it was so cool seeing a seemingly innocuous title be so meaningful
“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” Harvey dent - 2008
or in Eren's case "You either die before you become the hero, or you become the villain"
There is an interview printed in the volumized release of volume 1 of the manga, from SJ December 2010's issue, in which Isayama explicitly stated that he already had most of the series planned out at that point.
Oh man I'm so glad I found this series!!! Amazing work
Ive been wayching some of these videos went to ur channel and was like damn i hope he has a playlist for this thank ya brother 😂😂
Don't let the people telling you the manga ending was bad make it seem like the anime ending will be at all different. The reaction of English speaking readers on Twitter isn't an indicator of whether the adaptation will veer wildly off course in the last stretch when literally everything in the last season thus far has been exactly one to one from the manga
Haha, no worries, I'm definitely not taking the "ree, aot bad" crowd seriously. I'll see it and then make my mind up myself 👍
changing the manga ending because it is bad is impossible , the writer will be killing his future works by doing this ,
learning from the mistakes he did is more logical
The Manga ending is rushed but it's good. There's no need to change it
@@Mimi_1988 rushed? It is one of the most badly written endings .
Terrible build up led to terrible ending
@@wwe12153 I highly disagree. The ending makes sense and it makes sense to a lot of ppl. If you reread it rewatch it. The ending fits the theme of the story tragic as it should be.
Even when outside the timeline, you're always meant to do the things.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS
Thanks for this! I've been meaning to rewatch AoT to recontextualize the series and catch early hints, but this will do too! I think Isayama, with all this foreshadowing, is really flexing on everyone how much he's planned out or outlined the story and didn't just make it up as he went. He's definitely admitted he's adjusted the story as he went, but the general outline is still there (I think he meant to kill Sasha sooner, but he's made great use of her death, in using her death to develop Gabby and set the tone for the post-Liberio raid arc, instead of killing her so soon).
The Attack Titan can't send memories to itself in the past, only to previous inheriters. If he could send memories to himself, Eren would have never had to bother with sending memories to Grisha or Kruger, which only occured because that was Eren's only way to get the memories to his past self. Eren was able to see his future self when he kissed Historia's hand, for example, because he saw Grisha's memory of reciving a future memory in the underground chapel. Ymir had to be the one to show Eren the memories in To You, 2000 Years in the Future.
love the video, would be cool to talk about erens ideas of being free
Will be talking about that plenty more in the future! 👍
This was a great video. Hell of a job
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! :)
Hopefully you'll be happy to hear that episode 2 is in the works and is coming soon™! 👀
This is a really dope video and I’m gonna watch the whole playlist soon because I just finished my first watch through of Attack on titan after being told to watch it for so long and I think I did a pretty good job following along to everything especially when things get crazy in season 4 and I loved it so much that I’m rewatching it again so I can kill time till the final episode comes out🥲 and I’m watching these at the same time cause you do a good job explaining things or pointing out things I missed. Keep it up
my theory for why Eren has those dreams at the start, when he doesn't have the power yet, is because the power is not perfect. I think it acts like a current, or charge. For example, when Eren activates the coordinate when he punches Dina, and then a little later he yells at Reiner, causing the titans to run after him - I know there are people who theorise Mikasa may have royal blood in her - but I think, that because Eren came into initial contact with Dina, there is leftover charge from that interaction, which allows him to control the titans to attack Reiner. Obviously, this dissipates by the time he's yelling at Rod Reiss' titan, and is not recharged by the touch of Historia or Rod Reiss, because neither of them are titans. So, I think, that because Eren is very close to inheriting his power, on the day he has the long dream - he'll inherit it that night - there is enough charge there for Eren to have those memories circled back to him. Maybe the charge was still too weak for Eren to have those dreams in the early hours of the morning, but reached the right level as he slept under the tree. Had Eren not fallen asleep that day, those dreams could have come to him later, just before he's awoken by his father - although the memory of his mother being eaten wouldn't be there. Eren also says to Historia at one point, that he often has dreams that he forgets when he wakes up. This is after Historia dreams of a memory she has been forced to forget.
I also like the ambiguity of snk. Isayama leaves so much left to interpretation - about who is in control, and when. When fighting against Dina, Eren isn't able to activate his titan powers, because his hand hasn't fully healed yet. Just before he punches Dina, his hand fully heals, and with that, he's able to activate the coordinate. When Eren hugs Ymir, and asks her to lend him the power, his hands are still covered in blood when Zeke touches him. The founding titan that Eren becomes, is like a puppet. So, altho it is Eren who wanted this, and it's his body that leads the charge, whose choice was it really? I guess it doesn't matter, 'who is to blame' is one of the big questions of the series - who is to blame for Eren's mother dying, who is to blame for the deaths of the special ops squad, who is to blame for the existence of the titans, etc etc... Ymir had a choice in that moment when Zeke touched Eren. It circles back to her, one last chance to make a choice. And I suppose, regardless of whether Eren was the one who made the definitive choice, he still wanted it. I just like that strange ambiguity to that moment.
Yeah, even though some stuff is lose, like some of the titan powers I love how some stuff is explicitly up for interpretation, for you to ponder about later on.
That's right. Their mother's dying wish was "Protect Eren."
A lot of people complain about Mikasa being so Eren focused, when that's exactly how she realistically would behave as a traumatized child.
She had her pregnant mother and father taken away from her. She could have lost Eren too if her Ackerman blood didn't kick in and she murdered those men.
Then she randomly loses her parents(Adoptive) AGAIN!
So now Eren is her only family left, plus someone she's inlove with.
Then before losing her family and being Orphaned for the second time, her adopted mother's dying wish was for her to protect Eren.
Mikasa Character is very realistic.
She would have PTSD from being Orphaned twice, plus probably blames herself for not being able to protect the people she loves.
With Eren being her last surviving family(adopted) she has made protecting him her life's mission, not just for thar reason, but because she also made a promise to her second mom.
Mikasa doesn't want to lose everything. You can see that her heart is hardened towards everyone except Eren.
Yes, her obsession with him is unhealthy, but very realistic. Her trauma response to losing her loved ones twice is to be over protective.
At the end of the day, she wants life to go back to the way it was before the walls were breached, and before her parents were killed. Children often blame themselves for the trauma they experience.
Mikasa wasn't meant to teach girls a lesson about self love, it was to show the very real struggles of trauma.
Her killing Eren in the end, forces her to face her trauma and fear of losing everyone she loves and being without a family... Again. However, she conquers that fear to kill Eren, even of it means she will have to suffer the depression of losing her entire family twice, until she finally dies herself in old age.
This in my opinion, is very realistic. Mikasa doesn't display healthy, self loving behavior because she's not mentally healthy. She is traumatized, and people forget that when they complain "Whaaa, she doesn't have an identity outside of Eren" she actually does have an identity you refuse to acknowledge, because society has conditioned you to look down on women who do revolve theor lives around the men in their life, even if that man in her life is her last surviving family.
You can't deny that if you were put in that situation, your primary concern wouldn't be protecting your sibling, or a doctor sibling. That's all you have. Children who get taken away from their parents, By child protective services, oftentimes become extremely protective over the younger sibling. They have already experienced loss and separation pain.
Which is why her killing him was the perfect, tragic ending to Mikasa's arch, and no it doesn't ruin it that she was crying over him at his grave well into old age. It's realistic.
Mikasa struggles with an intense fear of abandonment and loss.
That was so well written and brought a fresh perspective to the character. Thanks for taking the time to type this because it was loonnggg lol
Love going through every second of the episode! Thats what this show deserves !
23:50 thanks for bringing me back my son's severed arm, i can totally use this, i'm glad you saved specifically only HIS arm too.
Unfortunately I couldn’t wait and I ended up reading the manga ending, and I thought it was really good, but for a series like AOT I hope they make the ending in the anime even better than the manga.
You should really watch the show "Dark"! If you enjoy the recontextulisation of past scenes because of new information you will love Dark. All it does is change your perspective on past scenes
Eren seeing Goth Mikasa and Nerd Armin when he enters the paths makes me believe there's a multiverse in aot great vid tho
Amazing video !
When attack on titan ends with "based on a true story"
The scarf scene is the single most beautiful scene in aot and while Eren's corruption completely ruins it, that scene in isolation and the symbol of the scarf and everything it means from kindness, warmth & beauty can only be preserved if Mikasa doesn't discard it just cause of the terrible shit. And that's what Aot is about- seeing that "The world is cruel yet beautiful". Mikasa is the amelioration of everything eren doesnt have the ability to be- actually fighting & moving forward. Alao
Ch 1 of the aot manga has single handedly the best narrative choice and foreshadowing that the EP 1 of anime complete discards. Just can't enjoy the anime for aot after reading the manga...anime makes it more of a action series with exaggerated action whereas the manga is much more nuanced when it comes to every character. S4 part 2 is the only season where they adapted everything without cutting out important stuff.
For those wondering, a Ret con changes previous events in the story to accommodate for what is happening NOW in the story. AoT didn’t do this especially in this episode and honestly the first 3 seasons it never happened at all. Instead AoT gave additional context to old events, which is a vastly better way to write, obviously. I can’t believe I’m hearing the word Retcon when Isayama masterfully setup events so that future reveals gave new, additional context to old events while simultaneously creating new mysteries.
This series was so incredible. Once time and memory traversal begins to happen in a series, i roll my eyes because i know its going to be a bs deus ex machina to connect the plot. But aot did it perfectly right. I was pleasantly surprised
After actually binging AoT the last few days, I can finally watch this video 😂
Though after talking about it with friends or looking at comments online, I think watching everything at once puts different perspective to some things to me.
I feel like seeing Eren's obsession moments that close to each other and him after the first few episodes kind of losing that protagonist mantle to an more ensamble cast made him being a psychopath pretty obvious just like Mikasa honestly got on my nerves quite a bit as well with her screaming Eren most of the time for example.
And yet I feel Eren gets defended a lot (relatively) even though.... You know. Doing what he's doing these days 😂
This is reminding me of Walter White in Breaking Bad where I had the same experience: I get that characters reasons, but he has so many red flags raised early on that I tend to dislike that character, where the weekly watchers tend to have felt a stronger connection and understanding to that person.
Writing this, it turned out more to be a binging "problem" than AoT specific, but what I initially wanted to say is that I agree with the Retrospective: Eren's character didn't really change that much. He always got obsessed way to much and got a power someone like him should never have.
Just watched 11 episodes of AOT in 2 days so I could watch this vid. Gotta say, I have mixed feelings on the direction the series has gone, but seeing you explain the foreshadowing and all is helping… a bit. It’s been so long since I’ve seen the beginning of the series… I could be wrong. Loved the video and super excited to see what this series brings moving forward.
Oh really? I've been absolutely loving it! Season 4 has legit been the most hyped I've been in the series since like day 1 (which is very much clouded in nostalgia). 😄
Though I do think this _supposedly_ last part might be pretty forward by the looks of it, so splitting it into a part of its own might hurt its reception - though I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Glad you're excited for the series though - think this will be a good one. 👍
@@Koroto it just feels like they jumped the shark a bit. Judgement is still out until the final episode is finished, but the first 3 seasons set such a high bar that even having small doubts about the direction of the show in season 4 is a bummer. But as I said, we’ll see, I could very easily be wrong for ever doubting it.
Sub or dub?
@@swishasweetrold didn’t even know AOT had a dub. Subs of course.
@@CMoneyBounceHouse no you are right I read the last chapters after this season ended and it is the worst ending. Yes it beatd GoT in bad endings. You have a good eye because I noticed the massive inconsistencies and drop off in quality after season 4 ep 21 it started going downhill but my word the last chapter of AoT makes GoT look like the best thing ever. I hope the anime ends different. This went from my fav show ever to not even in my top 10.
Amazing work bro, I hope you get more views!
was really interested and watched id in silence until "other side of a sea". great one! )
"If you're drunk, how are you going to fight?"
Thinking about Kenny...
This is, indeed, an ironic line