"Useless"
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2021
- i took a moonkitti joke and used it in this video
edit; sorry, i totally forgot to give credit to the video i used! • Paralyzed cat runs awa...
edit 2: Miss Kitty Fantastico commented and told me that this video does not understand the issue surrounding how Briarlight was treated and why her situation was ableist. I’ve talked to her and I’ve come to understand the issue. All money made on this video will be send to a nonprofit for helping those with disabilities.
The issue with Briarlight isn’t that she’s limited in her abilities- it’s more so how she’s treated like she can’t live a happy life /because/ of that disability, which is completely untrue.
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Omg y’all are not getting the point.
Briarlight not being able to be “useful” is NOT the problem, I actually really like that she has to stay confined to a small area because I, a real life disabled person, have to to! What’s abelist is that the cats treat her like her life is of no quality, and by saying that she’s bad representation because she is too disabled you are unintentionally feeding into the idea that disabled people have to be “useful” to be “good disabled people”
Warrior cats is not meant to be realistic, and Briarlight not being able to zoom around everywhere means I can actually relate to a character for once. Disability is a spectrum, it’s important to represent that entire spectrum, not just the disabled people who can be “useful”.
By your definition, I AM useless, but I can still be an empowering role model to other disabled people- because my life is of quality, and so was Briarlights!!! You are judging her on your able bodied standards, and shit like that is what’s really harmful to the disabled community.
Next time you criticize the ableism in warriors, please criticize the many times they say Briarlight’s life is not worth living, or that she would be better of dead, and not the fact that she can’t contribute to the clan like an able bodied cat.
Hey, I’m sorry that I got this wrong. I’ll try and be better in the future.
I was trying to comment on how she isn’t useless and that it’s wrong to think so- but I did not do that correctly. I am really sorry- and I will do better in the future.
for some reason it won't let me edit my comment, but Linky DMed me on tumblr about this, he was completely willing to learn and he’s figured out a better way to call out the ableism in warrior cats while considering all disabled people, no matter how severe our disability is. He’s asked me to keep this comment up, but I wanted to let everyone know that I now consider him an ally to our community.
I’ve always seen people wanting Briarlight to just zoom around everywhere, and go hunting and fighting and implying she should still be a warrior.
But I can’t really see how the clan would let her battle and how she’ll flee from dangerous situations without getting seriously hurt (I’m sorry if that’s ableist). I know how in the video it shows a disabled cat getting around perfectly, but how about in the wild with roots, rocks, sticks and sharp stones on the ground? (it just seems very painful to me to let Briarlight drag herself like that). What if in order to flee from urgent situations Briarlight needs get over something? Sure you can argue that’ll they’ll be cats to help her but what if it’s very very urgent.
But when you bring up how that wouldn’t make sense a lot people seem to say “Realism? You can’t brush this off as realism in a book with Cat religions, the fact that their talking cats, they build dens and have magical herbs!! Warrior cats is never realistic, therefore, this should happen.” But I never really seen realism in stories defined like that.
Like how see shows like Bojack horseman, games like Night In the woods and books like Arc of the Scythe.
Despite them being about talking anthropomorphic animals and having some unrealistic things (Like a human being able to carry a baby horse, how there’s an underwater world, immortality and sci-fi, etc,) but there still heavily realistic like on how mental health and illness is represented, how the characters do/interact/react to things that seem so accurate to how humans would react in those situations and circumstances.
Despite being a world full of animals it’s very humane! A situation which I found realistic was when Snowkit was deaf but Speckletail refused to acknowledge that her son was “broken” (in her eyes), because that’s exactly how my parents reacted to me (but they saw me as “abnormal”, “stupid” and “crazy” lol) and refused to get help for me. Despite them being cats with religious and ghosts and impossible genetics, their interactions and how they act are like real life situations for me. (But what Speckletail did was still ableist)
Like sometimes I think people need know the difference between ableist characters and ableist writing.
I don’t think Speckletail acting this way makes the writing ableist, it just makes her an ableist character. Which having her makes sense for a story where being able-bodied seems to be the norm for the clan (just like in real life sadly). But I think killing Snowkit off could be considered ableist writing since it can be seen as proving the Speckletail and the others’ ableist views and assumptions on him as true.
I feel like fiction shouldn’t be HYPER HYPER accurate to real life, living by the same rules, biology and physics to be considered as “realistic”.
I feel like what makes a story realistic is when they establish all the things in their book that don’t add up in real life and say
“This is how it works in *this* world. This is normal for *them* . these are the boundaries.”
And then start telling the story within these boundaries the story tries to set up for itself.
I’ve seen a good comment describing this:
“I hate when people say shows like BoJack horseman are unrealistic for having things like animal people.
That’s not what realism is in this context. Realism is upholding the boundaries the story sets up. So you’re not gonna see different dimensions in a historical fiction.
BoJack horseman does abide by these standards. Even in 6x15 when we get in bojack’s head. It doesn’t seem out of the ordinary because we’ve seen similar situations. Like that one drug episode from season 1 (I forgot which one) when BoJack sees Diane melting into a monster and he says “Oh s**t I’m still tripping”
That isn’t unrealistic that’s just storytelling.”
(The user was called Big Dog)
I pretty sure there were times where warriors crossed the line with these boundaries, and left us very confused. But you shouldn’t complain when Warriors didn’t start crossing the boundaries and making exceptions again in moments when you wanted them to. You can’t expect a story to give up all those boundaries as a whole just because in some moments they passed it and you wanna see a cat grow wings out of no where and fly out of existence.
Sometimes there are things that I can’t do or have immense trouble doing. For example, School work is a pain in the ass for me and I always need extra time for it. I have very bad Memory, concentration, procrastination, organization, information processing, etc. problems and some jobs might not be fit for me, like the slow repetitive and boring ones.
But that doesn’t mean I’m useless or inferior, of course not, some things just don’t work out and some things do. And that’s not a sign of weakness is it? But of course it’s different for everyone like everyone copes with it differently! But I usually hear from people with problems like mine being unable thrive the same way others can. Sometimes the need for fun things can be really handy in some cases! But really frustrating in others without meds or coping mechanisms.
So I never understood why people were so mad at Jayfeather becoming a medicine cat, since it’s a very important job and it seems like his senses makes him the perfect person for the job. I don’t think Medicine cat is an inferior position or “the easy job anyone can do”, characters like Hollyleaf wasn’t able to do it despite being able-bodied.
But that’s just my view on this, you’re allowed to tell me if I’m wrong 😅
@@lykhra2178 I don’t think I’m rlly understanding your points but I don’t think Briarlight *would* go out into open territory, because the chances of her getting hurt or attacked are pretty high and she values her life, also she’s perfectly happy in camp so it just seems like an unnecessary risk. But my problem with ppl making the disabled cats in warriors less disabled is that they’re removing representation for disabled readers with similar limitations, it’s more about representation than it is realism. I also agree that there’s a difference between ableist characters and ableist writing, I think it would’ve been cool to see a disabled cat having to educate ableist cats, but that doesn’t rlly happen in warriors, when Sandstorm said that Briarlight’s life wasn’t worth living nobody called her out on it, and the narrative pretty much proved her point by having Briarlight keep her sickness a secret, resulting in her death while not holding those who made her feel like she *should* keep it a secret accountable.
@@misskittyfantastico3473 Yeahhh I was agreeing with your points but after reading what I said, I’m also confused hehe. I should’ve explain it wayyyy more better so I’m sorry for that.
So like for realism part I definitely agree with you 100% like- I was trying to say even if there’s cat religions and unrealistic cat biology. In fiction, realism is usually defined by the story being relatable to real life people. How the characters would act and talk like if they had a human brain.
So you can have a realistic story and doesn’t have to follow everything EXACTLY in real life to be a “good story” or “good writing”, because it’s usually the characters feeling human-like and relatable to humans and that makes it realistic already. So representation is realism in my eyes, because good representation makes the characters feel so real!
Yeah, The characters have real life cat behaviours like grooming, smelling, attack using claws, cat body language, etc. But the characters are also pretty human-like portrayed. From what I read, Warrior cats, or the examples I’ve listed in previous comment, would value representation over biology for the story. Mae from Night in the woods is a cat, she flickers her ears, jumps high and balances on things, but the writers are more focused on representing her depression and dissociations like how humans experience them over making her 100% like a real life cat.
I was definitely agreeing with you about Briarlight not wanting to go out of camp! And the reason I brought op the “realism” thing is that:
For example when you said, “I don’t think Briarlight would go out into open territory because the chances of her getting hurt or attacked are pretty high.”
I’ve seen people who would argue,
“But Warrior cats is a FICTIONAL series so they could just write it so she never gets attack. Maybe it would be out of character of Briarlight to want to go out considering that she’s happy in the camp and values her life, and unrealistic for her to never get attacked or hurt at all BUT Warrior cats is always out of character and never realistic (cuz they have cat religions and herbs and cats with too complexed brains)! so Briarlight going out shouldn’t be a problem! It’s just bad and ableist writing 🙄”
And for the ableist character/writing thing. Yeah I definitely think that’s bad I don’t disagree with that and never had XD
I brought up those points because I think I’ve seen people complaining about how ableist Erin Hunter is for having ableist characters but maybe I misread or misinterpreted their comments. I assumed that was one of the reasons people say there’s ableism in Warriors. I think what you mentioned was definitely a case of ableist writing :/ dammit erins!
I hope I cleared things up! ^^
"Jayfeather is a walking hot spot" is my new favorite head canon.
Same lol
“…and that’s how I met my platonic girlfriend.”
@@minhocazul wha-
R U Soor Ets Platonic
@@suchomimustenerensis yes -no-
first time reading power of three i was excited that they were actually going to let a blind cat be a warrior, then they just shoved him into the role of medicine cat. that annoyed me so much
Edit: This comment has some...issues. I'll be sure to edit it as soon as I have the energy, but for now ignore it.
Seriously though, I hate that they do this. Like, blind people get around just fine! Sure, they can have some issues with running into other people if they don't have a helping dog or a friend or something, but Jayfeather doesn't have this issue! Let the guy be a warrior!
And Briarlight could probably become a warrior, too! She might have to stick to building dens and stuff because she might not be able to hunt very well, but there are hunting techniques with two cats that let one party sit still anyway, like when one cat chases prey toward the other.
I'm just mad about this like seriously why?
@?Zøryx Phyrus¿ (Jayfeather for leader, Jayfeather for leader, Jayfeather for leader)
It honestly would just be hilarious to watch Jayfeather snap at the other leaders about how they're being stupid and not doing anything when they should be
I know, right. The only reason that Jay boy failed in his first fight as an apprentice is that he's still a relatively new apprentice, and Brightheart isn't teaching him at the same pace as the other apprentices. Like he would probably have made a great warrior had Spottedleaf not bullied him into giving up his dreams
Jayfeather could even catch mice he did it in front of leafpool there was a scene where she was lecturing him and be caught a mouse to prove a point he could of been a warrior they should of changed his mentor from brightheart who treated him like a baby and tried to make sure he wouldnt get hurt to a warrior a that wouldnt treat him like a moon old kit because hes blind! Brighthearts not a bad cat but shes the reason hes a medicine cat along with firestars judgement at the time its so annoying!!!
Let's all band together to create a Jayfeather proves everyone wrong and becomes a warrior AU XD
@@starcycle4308 yes
Realistically, in the wild, Briarlight would probably die anyway. BUT! This is a fictional book series where cats have an organized religion, make their own medicines, and can amputate limbs just using a rock. I don’t see why they couldn’t find a way to have Briarlight be a warrior.
If they tried hard enough, they could probably even find something to prop up her back legs that would allow her to move around...I mean, they stop bleeding from major wounds with cobwebs and fight ghosts.
@@catz537The main thing is she has no control over her bowel, she would have dies for an intestine disease unfortunately
@@katexx4 Not in Warrior cats where they fight ghosts and stop bleeding with cobwebs..
@@catz537 In Warrior Cats where Leopardstar dies of Diabetes? In Warrior Cats where Ravenpaw dies of Stomach Cancer?
@@katexx4 I didn't say their logic made sense lol
Exactly; like they made Cinderpelt a med when we has Deadfoot still alive as deputy I cannot.
Also, Jagged Peak was allowed to go along with training while Cinderpaw didn't? In Cinderpelt's case I think it's a little different, since she actually seemed excited to become a med, but Jayfeather *hated* becoming a med despite having the talent for it. They should have just let him continue training... who cares if he's a mediocre warrior as long as he's not miserable?
@@foxygrin I’m not saying you’re wrong, but Jagged Peak never was in training- sure he might’ve wanted to know the hunting techniques in Clear Sky’s camp but he never continued “training” because 1. He was sent out of his brother’s camp. And 2. At that time he couldn’t handle three legs. However once he gets older he is able to fight and hunt with three legs, and never had to be a medicine cat.
Since this was all the way back in DotC with different characters, the cats living in CinderPelt’s time period probably had no idea of Jagged Peak’s existence or even thought that she could be “normal” again
Poor Jayfeather, after he lost his powers his hotspot must have disappeared too. How's he gonna get his memes now?
Starclan airdrops him Wakandan knuckles and shooting stars meme comps.
@Bagger XDDDD I love your Jayfeather voice btw!
@@bagger3632 Oh good, that’s nice of them!
I remember being so annoyed by this that, in my fanmade clan, I made a new classification called the Helpers. They were any cat that couldn't become a full warrior due to medical reasons (missing back legs, declawed, and one blind cat) but could easily do other tasks like herb finding, babysitting, scavenging, etc.
All I can say is that I love this with my entire heart- I just can't believe I volunteered as berrynose just- slurping away obnoxiously at a caprisun
I'm writing for my Uni a paper on Warriors. Right now I'm in a middle of chapter on treatment of characters with disabilities within the series. This video gives me more strength to write.
How much would I have to pay you to let me read it
That was amazing
berrynose with a caprisun
what will he do
Briarlight: So you won’t even let me go f**king OUTSIDE!?
Leafpool: Yes.
Briarlight: EVEN FOR FRESH AIR!? IT’S SO BORING IN HERE!!!!
Leafpool: Uh…..
Cat with a broken leg that has mostly healed: cats be a warrior
Cat missing half a head: warrior
If cats can get around with 3 legs, they can fight with 4 legs!
Having an amputated leg is better than having a paralyzed leg, because often times paralyzed limbs can throw off the balance of an animal and even if they don't, the legs are just dead weight. With that being said, a 3-legged cat could be a fully fledged warrior with pretty much no major difficulties, so you're totally right. Briarlight could have absolutely been a warrior, as could cinderpelt and jayfeather. I think they got it the most right in the first arc despite cinderpelt still being kind of ableist - at least brightheart and deadfoot existed and were warriors! Your story's representation should not get worse over time, that's just awful writing.
@@baasparkopenings851 still, if we are being realistic, after a few months her leg should have been mostly healed, and she would have been able to be just like all the other warriors, but a tiny bit slower
*Vibes in Jagged Peak and Cinderpelt basically had the same disability but Cinder wasn't allowed to be a warrior where Jagged was allowed to be his time's version of a warrior*
Brightheart is literally blind and deaf on her injured side, Jayfeather and Cinderpelt should've been warriors
@@sworishina Jayfeather is COMPLETELY blind though. Half blind and completely blind are two very different things. Realistically Jayfeather would probably get beat up because the scents and sounds and feeling of battle would be too confusing for him top pick out his opponents and tell when another cat is about to attack him. Brightheart is a different story because she HAS sight in one eye.
The true question is...how many cats have cell phones?
At least one.
“I wonder the same thing every day...”
Berry nose: *c a p r i s u n N o i s e s* h U h ?
I am here
omg it’s jayfeather
AAAH IM SUCH A FAN :D
Oof hi Jayfeather
@@mossfeathertail5276 ooh I'm a fan of you too!
BANGER VIDEO LINKYMEW FROM UA-cam!
Why-
Why in the world did I think Berrynose’s Capri sun was a cactus?-
The worst part is they can be selective about this too. Two cats I can think of are Brightheart and Deadfoot. Brightheart is half blind and Deadfoot has a bad leg but they were both warriors. But no, if its both sides then you can't be a warrior and that doesn't even stick half the time because Cinderpelt became a medicine cat too
Examples:
Snowkit before he died
Longtail
Jayfeather
Briarlight
Even cats like Alderheart who seems to have anxiety were forced into a med cat role. And it's not like it's not possible to be a warrior because they're wild cats because it's fantasy. They have a religion and anything.
Plus Snowkit could have easily become a warrior because there is a deaf warrior in Skyclan so the ablism is mostly exclusive to Thunderclan because if I remember right Deadfoot was deputy. Its just ridiculous how Thunderclan treats any cat that isn't ablebodied with the only acception being Brightheart. (And Jayfeather could have made a good warrior because he could rely on scent and sound like how a deaf warrior would rely on scent and sight)
Update: The skyclan cat is Fallowfern and she wasn't born deaf like Snowkit which was what I thought since the one scene I remembered her was when she crossed the Shadow clan border in vision of shadows but she's an elder in those books and wasn't deaf before that so scratch that point. The only warrior characters are Deadfoot and Brightheart
Snowkit was killed off so his mom could become an elder. And really of you think about it, it was unnecessary. If they really wanted her to retire, they could've had her give Snowkit to Goldenflower or something.
@@twist_ending7545 Exactly or just wait a little longer till Snowkit was old enough to leave the nursery. It's pretty telling that the first character born with their disability(in terms of book releases) they kill them off
Wait this could make ThunderClan more exciting as The Ableist Clan
@@TheZincMaster-on1fy I hope that doesn't end up being a trend because I don't think Thunderclan needs another med cat. We still have Jay and Alder who probably won't be dying anytime soon considering both are still pretty young. I mean we still have cats like Cloudtail who are alive so they still have time to go. Plus I don't think people would want a full book series where one of the protagonists is an elder. So if we do end up with another disabled character in Thunderclan, please Erin's just let them be a warrior if they want to.
Jayfeather could probably hunt, but not fight in battle. In battle everything is moving too fast to locate another cat with anything other than sight. Briarlight isn't like deadfoot because she is paralyzed from her center back, and down. She is strong, but not fast. She probably wouldn't have been able to become a warrior, but she definitely could have been given her own job of some sort.
being able to be an elder would be the "shite", you get to sit around be fat all day and people change your bed.
you can chill in camp and sit with the old people who tell stories
berrynose likes his caprisun
No one:
Literally no one:
Berrynose in the corner: sLuRrRrRrRpPpP
So true though so true. I love your vids
PURRRRR
Oh shrew
Ok but, what happened with deadfoot?
is there any way to audition for these sketch videos you do btw? love ur vids !!
theres no auditions! just join my discord and sometimes i ask ppl to voice act (you have to have the voice actor role, which you can get in the roles channel)
Medicine cat are actually have the most important role in the clan.
Jay'feather: * hates his own brother *
Me: * untill my brother learned not to throw stuff, * *hates my brother a lil too *
BUDDIES!
BERRYNOSE WITH THE CAPRISUN LMAO
I mean, isn't Brightheart half blind?
Lets agree... The only useless here is Leafpool
I can understand severely disabled cats becoming medicine cats or retiring because they can't fight or hunt, but do the writers have to be so ableist about it?
"Paralysed cats can get around just fine." Shows a cat with working back legs living in a secure home with no rough terrain or predators. "Surely this applies to Briarlight too; because all disabilities are the same. I mean, she and Berrynose are in practically identical situations."
Seriously people; stop getting your information from UA-cam videos and go outside once in a while.
The cat in the video was paralysed from the waist down,m (ua-cam.com/video/x5Y8a-wkVJA/v-deo.html)
I wasn’t making a comment about Briarlight and Berrynose equivalent disabilities: i was making a comment about how I don’t like Berrynose and calling him “useless” because of that.
Maybe do your research and stop assuming what people mean in UA-cam comment sections; go outside, take a walk.
@@LinkyMew Just repeating my comment is not a good comeback. That's two areas of comedy you need to improve in.
@@siobhannoble8545 ah yes, the classic "go outside to get life experience" ending remark followed by the smug "that's two things..." after stating that repeating your own smug ending comment ironically is objectively not funny, despite parody being... a form of comedy.
Also a legitimate tip, never say "seriously people" because it makes you sound like the biggest ass with a debilitating inferiority complex.
@@siobhannoble8545 bro it ain't that serious Jesus you're getting mad over a warrior cats joke video
maybe you're the one that needs to go outside, touch some grass and take a walk if a joke video really bothers you 😐