It's a pretty old argument. *Plug AV cables in, plug cartridge in, push power button" has always been easier than PC computer gaming even with pretty old stuff. The CD era got them pretty close and Consoles have gotten a lot more difficult tbh I think playing FOSS games on Linux is actually easier than playing games on an XBOX now if you're already familiar with Linux but if you're on Windows they're both pretty similar now especially if you're on a prebuild.
They aren't wrong. It's really hard to get valid ID to vote when you're not supposed to be in the country. Much easier if they just let you vote without any kind of verification.
@@wesleyward5901 Last I checked 1/10 blacks are first generation immigrants now. Whites keep getting upset about "replacement migration" but it's actually *way* worse for "minorities" if you look at the data.
@@aj.j5833 Making sure you bought all the right parts that work together requires some knowledge if you get them separately, but I mostly agree with you. More importantly, you can find a tutorial that will teach you how to do just about anything. It's a laziness problem, not a knowledge problem.
“Sure, you could buy $400 or $500 worth of computer parts, put it together and you can have a PC that’ll run anything or you can spend $800 on my thing that only plays like three or four games. Your choice.” 🎩 🐍 no step on snek!🇭🇰🇺🇸
You don't even need a PC case, naked PC is a thing and you also make custom case as well from basically anything such as a kettle, old bamboo steamer, log, cardboard, fruit crate, book, old printer, ...
@@SterileNeutrino You don't need windows, if your intention is to making a gaming rig that you also watch shows, movies and listen to music on and go online with (browser).
It can look scary from outside, not because of the incompatibility, but because of the chance of a suboptimal build. But it is worth to learn because console companies rips you
Console manufacturers are usually subsidizing the hardware to make their money on licensing from game sales. So usually if you're buying a console when it's new you're getting about a year or two of better performance than PC gamers especially considering most PC games just end up being console ports during that period of time. By the time PC games start taking advantage of the boost in hardware specs for the standard build though, the difference is drastic.
@TeH.j0keR a year or two of better performance if and only if you compare it with a similarly priced pc. Which you shouldn't do because consoles have paid online and more expensive games. Compare a newly released console with a pc that costs 500$ more (which isn't much considering how ridiculously expensive online is on console) and that advantage not only disappears but it strongly flips in favor of the pc
@@Jet-ij9zc No why do you get to add £500 extra for the PC? So you're comparing a £500 console to a £1000 PC. For starters, you're not going to get any magical extra performance from a PC, literally no one in their right mind cares about 100fps instead of 60fps, especially not for that much money. And what about extras? Console online is not that expensive, lets say a nominal £10 a month (which often includes like 100 free games, so PC literally has no comparison to that unless you buy that same service on Microsoft Xbox), but lets compare this to PC add-ons, you need a monitor, keyboard and mouse, speakers or headphones, all of that will likely be more than £120 and you don't get those 100 free games. PC has it's advantages, mainly PC exclusives and mods, no one cares about spending 100s for 10 more fps just no one cares. Console is the normal, relaxing, playful gaming experience. Keyboard and mouse can never compare to a controller in terms of comfort. Consoles are just plug and play. Consoles are backed by legacy companies, etc. PC has no real advantage to normal people. It's just PC gamers who don't understand why people don't like gaming on PC.
@@TeH.j0keR There's 3 things to consider though: The first is consoles usually perform better in the short term if you buy them basically on release and only if you're comparing it to a PC of a similar price point. The 2nd thing is a console is a lot less universally useful than a PC. No things such as notepad or whatever to use on a console. The funnier thing is even the things a console does have that a PC also has (i.e. Microsoft Edge on Xbox), said things are way clunkier to use on console than on PC (try using Microsoft Edge on Xbox versus PC. It's infinitely clunkier and worse to use on console just because you can't type as easily, you can't move the cursor as fast, etc.). The 3rd thing is there are a lot of games that only exist on PC that don't exist on consoles. There's even a few games I played on console that aren't on console anymore. Examples: Hellcard, Lethal Company, Starbound, Cave Crawlers, 100% Orange Juice, Black Mesa, Half Life 1, Castleminer Z and Murder Miners were 2 games that used to be on Xbox but aren't anymore, etc. The main market I'd say would exist for consoles is something like couch co-op sort of stuff. Me and 2 other friends have a game we play called Dokapon Kingdom that we play couch co-op on the Switch and having the couch co-op aspect adds a whole new dynamic to playing it versus me playing it with my other group of friends on PC. Unfortunately, most console manufacturers (particularly Microsoft) have gone full r333t4rd and decided that couch co-op is somehow not something people want anymore. Add to it that most of the older consoles that did have couch co-op are getting old and starting to burn out (i.e. my old DSi I'm pretty sure has a bad battery and I haven't gotten a suitable replacement for it yet) and I'm thinking consoles are gonna stop existing before long outside of Nintendo.
That's why literally there are companies that assemble PCs for you and even regular computer shops that can do it for you once you pick the parts you want, it's a non-issue ... either you do it yourself or you pay a small fee so someone to do it for you.
even then, how does one pick parts? you need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, GPU, storage, PU, and cooling. you ask most normal people and they know nothing about any of these. how much RAM do they need? should they go with intel or AMD? which of their CPUs should they pick and why? which GPU is which? how do they even know which is the latest? what do all the random numbers mean? what about the attached letters? why not go with a HDD, it's much cheaper. what's the difference between SSD and NVMe? why do they even need fans? why pick liquid cooling over fans? what if they scraped off the thermal paste accidentally? so, just picking the parts alone is an endeavor. yeah, you can look up videos, but you kinda gotta research and answer all the questions. this is all before one even considers putting it together.
@@khaosklub Sure if you are into that you can do your own indepth research and pick the exact components that you like the most, but you can as easily ask the person you are buying from which parts are the best for your budget and what's the difference between them, or just look up the recommended requirements for the latest games available and plan from there (that's of course if you don't want to just buy a prefab PC and just call it a day, which unlike consoles is easy to upgrade any time you feel like it).
@@khaosklubeven knowing what’s up yeah it can be daunting to scope out a new build considering all the variables and codependencies, but like the one guys said there are shops that can help reduce the amount of research and get you going without too much time and effort.
I remember my first PC. I put the CPU in wrong and bent the pins not noticing the little triangle showing which way to put it in. also, they sent me a bad SATA cable. luckily enough there was another one available. it's easy until it's not.
@@khaosklub Currently you can watch an hour long LTT video that guides you step by step while informing you of literary everything you may need to know.
@@jeremis4304 1) normie must find this video. who knows who LTT is outside of tech nerds? 2) need? what about want? like one might want to know the differences between different PUs. one might want to know what the different cooling systems are about. what are the tradeoffs of the different types of storage. why pick on motherboard over another. case size considerations. there is just too much to cover for a single 1 hour video. 3) I doubt it covers how to trouble shoot when the PC doesn't turn on. 4) that's still like 59 more minutes.
@@khaosklub 1. When you search on this platform for pc building guide LTT is probably 1 of the top 5 vids that will pop up. 2. You research building a pc like you research buying one 3. There are even more guides on how to troubleshoot getting to post but if you follow a guide you most likely wont run into this issue unless you aren't making sure you plugged things into the right ports 4. Are those 59 minutes worth an extra 100$. If you work minimum wage probably not There are pre-builts which are cheaper than this console that will run most of the game on there at the same spec. You don't necessarily need to build the PC.
I've built some maybe 15 years ago then I made a Ryzen 5000 and had to borrow a CPU to flash the BIOS to get it to work. Good times Another tricky thing is ATX 8 pin power to the motherboard vs the 8 pin power to a GPU
I miss the barriers to entry into video gaming. The player base was much more intelligent in the past. Now all they have to do is buy a console to ruin your gaming experience.
Space Marine 2 has a boss fight where you have to push buttons on consoles whose symbols match with those glowing on some windows. The PS and Xbox guys i was queued with were absolutely unable to grasp this. Not with me telling them. Not with the game telling them on repeat. When consoleros are already too stupid to just match symbols what hope do they have to build a pc? Also explains they they are willing to be conned to pay extra to be able play online.
I still get console addicts telling me this as a reason not to upgrade to PC. I assume these are the same people that still think masks prevent transmission of an airborn disease.
IRQ was fine as long as you had the manuals for your card. Now plugging a MOLEX the wrong way and watching your computer burst into flames, now THAT sucked. Even my dad who built hundreds of computers back in the 90's would do that occasionally.
Swapping jumpers to change IRQs or Ports, changing positions on the chain for different assignment locations. Writing your own drivers or using root commands to install, having to install software manually.... (as in manually copy from disk to HD). Not being able to use certain brands of hardware with each other.... I remember. Now everything is plug-n-play, has automated installation, built in drivers, and isnstandardised for compatibility. It is ridiculously easy now comparee to the 80s.
I work with kids, kids these days know less about PC then kids back then. Most of them don't even know what a CPU is, they just know how to turn it on and get apps.
@@aj.j5833 Gen-Z can easily build a PC, but actual kids like Gen-Alpha, they're completely technologically illiterate, they cant even type because they just use speech-to-text on everything, they literally don't know how to use a mouse because they were raised with touch screens, etc. Also don't be blinded by the Gen-X and Boomers who are online, that was the era of "nerds" don't forget, they are the nerds, and the nerds were not the majority. Most of those generations are completely tech illiterate too just for different reasons.
The mystery why game media is fucked is finally solved: they all are just braindead. PS. The "hardest" part of assembling a pc, that i did about a month ago (first time in over a decade), was hearing that cracking noise when i installed the cpu and closed the bracket. Oh boy, i'm already gray-haired enough for my age!
Not sure about kits specifically, but I was definitely inspired to make a lot of things from the shows & comics of my time, with Thunderbirds in particular instantly springing to mind. Even made my own racing game once using the flat roadway boards we had, called Racing Rally. (#^_^#)
I was that kid. I built my first PC with my cousin at age of 7. He let me have his older PC parts. I miss days like that, instead of having most computers these days all being prebuilt and you can't work on them yourself easily.
It's become much easier since the SSDs have arrived. Roomwise & heat-flow-wise and cablewise. Alos, the unification of buses with PCIe winning was a great step forward.
I probably built my first PC in the early 1980s at maybe 7 or 8 years old. These days it's a cakewalk to build, the hard part is finding a sensible case and parts that doesn't light up like a damned rave when you're trying to use it or sleep in a dark room lol. Like WTF, i just want a simple all black OG poor person metal box with fans and slots, i don't need to pay extra for huge glass windows and 1kw of RGB lighting and all the nonsense and clownery.
I watched my son teach his younger sister how to build a PC this past Christmas. Start to finish took her about 45 minutes. A complete novice, who was being taught what each component was called and its function as she installed it, did it with zero difficulties.
Man, 45 minutes! It took me 4 days to build my last one including Windows installation, although to be fair, I wasn't in the best of health at the time (it was a HUGE machine that I had real trouble moving about as a recall). My latest build was a lot better, mainly because my brother had the exact same spec, having most of the problems ironed out before I even got to that point. I've yet to have any major issues as well, touch wood, which is a first. (^_~)
My computer store charges $70 (about $50USD) which is pretty reasonable. Many prebuilts are also getting better if you check reviews there are newer companies doing it right
@@Daniel-gb9ex No, here do it 100% free, or at least no separated extra fee. We are poor country, every sale matters and sellers gotta do something else beside sitting on their asses whole day
I've been building and setting up PCs since I was a kid. Sure, you need more than two neurons to rub together and you will make a few mistakes at first, but it's not difficult.
I built 3 so far. It's a fun activity, like playing with Lego, but more expensive. I do disassemble my PC regularly to clean it. I helped others with the cleaning and I was shocked a few times by the amount of dust can accumulate if you don't take care of your PC.
I built my first computer from parts I fished out of dumpsters and scrap piles as a child in the early 80s. Nowadays it is ridiculously easy to assemble and set up desktops. One doesn't have to write code, use root commands, or physically change the hardware by moving jumpers around. Plus there is a standardisation of parts, so one generally will not encounter incompatibility issues trying to use components from competing manufacturers together. Folks today have no idea how much easier it is in comparison.
I didn’t start building rigs till the mid 90’s but even then you had to deal with jumpers and DIPs and compatibility was a strict process and nothing says “ouch” like finding the raw edge of a drive bay with your knuckle, but I’m thankful for the experience
@@michaelwills1926 plug-n-play compatibility started in the early 90s but didn't really become a thing until Windows 95. Wasn't a big thing for Linux systems for a few years after. Some companies tried standardizing hardware in the 80s, but it didn't really work out at the time because of the differences between IDE and SCSI. The growth of PCI Bus compared to ISA, SATA or Data Exchange Bus was very beneficial for standardization.
Prebuilt PCs exist, as generally sub-par as they may be. In fact, that’s how I started. In 2020, I bought a Prebuilt (HP Omen 25L) that had a tempered glass side panel. After staring at its guts for enough hours, I wanted to find out what exactly I had. I turned to google; that sent me to task manager. Task manager gave me some part names, and those part names gave me some keywords for UA-cam search. That in turn led me to endless PC tech UA-cam channels: Gamers Nexus, JayzTwoCents, Hardware Unboxed, and LTT, among many others. Two years later, I scraped enough scratch to build my own high-spec machine. Since then I’ve built dozens of lower power machines for to run different applications, with plans to build more.
When I built my PC (granted my roommate helped me out), I didn't know how much thermal paste to apply. So i started spreading it over the CPU like as though I was spreading peanut butter on bread. Funny experience
There are businesses that will build the machine for you with the parts you selected and install the OS of your choosing for an extra fee, even provide a waranty, and the result will still be cheaper than a PS5 pro.
You're giving way too much credit to the normies for the sake of this argument. Remember that building a PC doesn't start with you in front of the components- first you need to do some research and decide what do you want or can buy according to your budget, and that's not a straightforward task anymore- nowadays you need to check which RAM is compatible with both your motherboard and CPU (for AMD) and you need to check which CPUs you need to avoid because they'll selfdestruct after a couple of years (for Intel). It's normal to assume that things that are easy or obvious to us should be easy or obvious for most people, however that's not necessarily the case.
Cord management kills me. Although it's mostly because I just I used small cases and incremental upgrades. "PCs are difficult to set up" stands out to me as someone who doesn't know how to plug things in to his TV. Building is different.
The people who find building a PC hard are people with no patience and who refused to read and follow instructions. See also people who never figured out how to look up a guide on how to do something.
I've done that. Including building the servos, speed control and motors.... I've done so from kit and without a kit. 1/12th carpet and 1/10th pan weren't typically available as kits in the late 80s and early 90s. Plus when the kits for them started to come out, they were more expensive anyway.
While it's not hard, it's also fucking terrifying if you screw up. >Reapplied new thermals to GPU >PC screen remains black after turning it on >Start sweating as I unplug and replug multiple time >A day passes and I'm contemplating I might actually have to buy a new GPU because I goofed somewhere >Try turning it on one last time >Motherboard finally boots up >Sink to knees in relief
I’d argue that it’s exactly like being a mechanic Vee. It’s something that looks complex on the outside but is pretty straightforward with a tutorial. Everyone should be changing their own oil rather than paying someone else and there are plenty of people that pick the parts and have someone build the PC for them. It wouldn’t say it’s difficult, just time consuming and many don’t have the time or patience for that.
Well, you don't need to be a certified mechanic for simple maintenance (and no general consumer product should require you to be a specialist for simple tasks), just like you don't need a CS degree to just build a computer. Heck, even Linux (a OS made for programmers initially) which was known for it's complexity is nowadays almost as easy to use as Windows. There's no future for a company that tries to broaden their audience and reach for casual customers without putting resources into R&D to make it more accessible.
This is not always accurate. I can pay $15/quaer for oil at retail or I can pay $2/quart to get it from my mechanic. (He gets motor oil by the barrel, and multiple barrels at a time.) Oil and air filters are also 1/4th of retail through my mechanic. This doesn't even get into my lack of space to do repairs, and my inability to access certain parts of my vehicle without the proper tools (I don't have a jack that will raise my whole car off the ground for example. My oil pan/reservoir is not readily accessible other parts have to be removed first.) So I could spend 60 dollars on the oil alone, and spend a couple hours doing it. Or I can pay my mechanic 30 bucks and he'll have it done in 30 minutes. I understand that not everyone has a vehicle with difficult access to oil pan/reservoir or the oil and air filters. Just as some people don't use a good mechanic. That is their problem though.
You gotta remember the average gaming journalist can't get past the Cuphead tutorial. I don't doubt that putting things in slots that will only go in the right way is above their capabilities. Also prebuilts are no longer that more expensive if you *really* don't wanna build one yourself.
1. Finding the proper PC parts isn't that hard at all. It takes only an hour of research. 2. There are services that will assemble a PC for you with the parts you bought if it is too daunting. 3. Fiddling with PC settings is easier these days. There is no excuse to not game on PC.
This entire argument is bunk. Its not about whats easiest, its about convenience. Yeah building a PC is easy but its still harder than just buying a gaming console. Thats their entire business proposition, and it works because people have limited time
this. i’ve wanted to get a pc for some time, but i’ve neither the time nor the space for it at the moment. i work for a living, and i work overnight to help take care of disabled parents during the day. some of us are adults with very little free time (hell, the only reason i got back into gaming again in my 30s was because oh right, no one else is up when i am, and i needed something to do), and some of the people down here are just as terminally online as the journos the bitch at… these are toys at the end of the day. people who insult people over which toy they have are children.
"if it doesn't fit there, it doesn't belong there" sounds very much like the thing stopping them. You know, the people who rather force the slot to fit the part, rather than put it where there is a slot for it...
I got into PC gaming a few years back. Hardware wise I kmow enough to get by. When it comes to software issues, a quick google, some YT vids, and sometimes a mod, the game runs great. My system is far from a powerhouse, but It runs everything just right. I also got into emulating a few months back, and I feel like a kid again playing my favorite PS2 classics. Yeah there can be a few "extra steps" at times, but the whole thing got me really interested in computers. Now I'm planning on taking some IT courses from a trade school.
I don't know. People are saying that gen z has less understanding of technology that older generations do, so it could be true. Everything just worked for them, so they never learned how to troubleshoot, and now they're scared to even try and learn it.
It's true. The real problem is that a pc requires a desk most people do not want to use a handheld keyboard. People just want to sit on a couch with a controller in hand ready to go
Today it's managing heat and avoiding bottlenecks... Bent pins can cost you hundreds of dollars... It's not all a bed of roses...there are some thorns...🌹
I have already taught my 6 year old granddaughter how to build a PC, and my 3 year old learned as well. (Though for the 3 year old, I'll have to revisit teaching her in a couple of years.) I built my first pc when I was 6, my kids by time they were 10, I intend to ensure my grandchildren can do so by time they are 10 as well. At least they don't have to manually code drivers, use root access to manually install software item by item or play with jumpers..... plus there are more resources than just a diagram....
I mean.. it's more complicated to physically assemble a PC than it is to turn on a console, but beyond that point.. no. And you can just order a prebuilt PC to bypass that if it's too difficult for you, or you don't have the time to blow on it.
No, even beyond that, it's more complicated. for one, where to buy games? right there, you have like 20 different storefronts with steam being the most popular. but GOG is also a great option. then there's compatibility. are the parts you picked compatible with this game? the game boots up to a black screen, what do? like, every game I play on steam has people in the forums complaining about or asking for fixes for various issues. without fail, every game I play has issues on boot. and I play mostly 2D platformers. I've only had issues with beyond good and evil defaulting to french, sonic adventure 1 having issues with resolution, crash bandicoot not playing well with higher framerates, and spyro reignited just plain not being completeable outside of specific framerates.
The ultimate question no one is asking... "Would you trust your PC gaming rig to a toddler or family member that knows nothing about computers but wants to play a game? Some use gaming to babysit their kids... Some just want gaming as an appliance that you plug in, log in, and it works on their big family room 4K TV. This is why we'll always have a console in some form.
You know you can connect PC to TV just as easily as console? And use wireless controllers? And set up your steam client or even emulators like RetroArch or PCSX2 to launch in kiosk mode (so you can't interact with outside programs)? There's no reason to own a console nowadays (specifically not a reason for console over PC) assuming you are willing to put a bit of effort to set it up (it's no longer 2000s, it's easy).
Or you know just give the toddler a box of toys in the middle of the living room floor, maybe have the TV on with one of the kids channels or a movie on DVD playing. In my mind gaming is not for babysitting it is something that at least for young kids you should be supervising until they understand not to damage expensive electronics until they are old enough for their own.
who the hell buys an 800 dollar console to "babysit" their kids? when a tablet/phone can do just as well or even better. Consoles haven't been something for kids for a LONG time...
Yes. Yes I would. My 6 year old and 3 year old granddaughters can use a PC. I have been making sure of that, even though I'm teaching them on Fedora. (I'm a RedHat certified engineer.) So not only do my toddlers understand how to use a desktop or laptop, they are learning how to build and set them up. (Though the youngest isn't ready for GIT or command line stuff yet.) I was 6 when I built my first computer, with parts fished from dumpsters or scrap piles. My children learned by time they were 10, grandchildren will have learned by time they are 10. Even if they NEVER build a computer or one up in the future, they will have at least a basic understanding of doing so. It isn't like I'm asking them to build chipsets or anything.
Assembling a PC in 1999 was definitely more complicated. Now every plug/card can go only into 1 socket/slot. RAM DIMMs since DDR3 have their grooves off-center, so you can't plug it in reverse either. New cases these days don't even need a screwdriver to do this. Things are fool-proof now, unless you try to jam a 8 pin plug into a 6 pin socket, which is impossible for anyone with even room temperature IQ. Claiming PCs are hard to set up means you either forgot to turn on the lights, or you forgot to take off the blindfold, or both. Or perhaps your IQ competes with winter temperatures in Chicago.
Or you are the CEO of a video game console company that just launched a ridiculously overpriced console, and you need to gaslight customers into not buying a cheaper other option.
I'm not a huge nerd and built my 1st PC at age 12. Dial up internet days (no yt tutorial). If I wasn't sure, I just read stuff on the components, cables, and motherboard. It literally says where everything goes.. I didn't need more brainpower than playing this kids game, where you sort shapes.
I'm a console player. Let's not wage war among ourselves. We know who the ennemy is and it's not console gamers. It's people who don't play and don't buy video games at all, as recently demonstrated.
seriously… fighting over which plastic box we use to relax is pretty fucking stupid. V and a lot of the hardcore audience down here can be pretty unbearable with their terminally online sometimes (yeah, it’s not only the lefties guys… those of you calling other people “sheep” because they own a different plastic box than you… and how many of you pc players use bill gates’ Windows when you turn that machine on? you’re just as tied to woke corpos as anyone else.. give it a rest). it’s well known that consoles exist for the lazy. trying to pretend that it’s somehow demeaning to point that out just feels silly.
My $600 mini PC takes no setup or configuration, and it plays everything worth playing. Even Elden Ring on high settings. Sony can take their $800 PS5 and shove it.
Yeah but most people prefer sitting on their couch, in front of their big tv, with a comfortable controller that makes gaming 10X more immersive, especially with things like modern haptic feedback and tension triggers, plus for reasonable subscriptions fees you get like 100 good and classic games for free to play whenever wherever. PC is only good for niche exclusives, like mil-sims and strategy games, and mods, normal and casual people will never be into PC gaming. I think because it's objectively worse in every way besides some weird pride about having more that 60fps and slightly nicer graphics.
@@aj.j5833 Sure, because it's so much more appealing, hence why console will probably always be the go to mode of gaming. Out of interest, if you play with the new Ps5 controller, does the tension triggers and haptic feedback actually work same as if it was on Ps5? Personally my optimal set up would be a PC on the tv, or even just a big monitor, or something where I could switch between the 2.
@@Alfred5555 Xbox controller is better for PC then PS5 even third party ones based on Xbox are better as well. PS5 controller is a pain to set up and get working correctly.
@@Alfred5555 I can and do often also play on a monitor with keyboard and mouse from same PC as well. It is connected to both TV and computer monitor I can switch between. Depends on type of game, PC gives you options. Also have full flight control set up and driving wheel.
The most difficult thing about building and setup of a Gaming PC is... earning the money to buy the parts that I want... Which is why I'm here commenting on a youtube video instead of playing games in my Gaming PC
Most people don't have a clue how to use a pc for gaming properly because they have no idea about resolution, performance or even the particulars of the display they use. Most console players play on their sofa on a tv, unless you have a decent tv it's useless for a pc to game on. This is an incredibly stupid argument, they serve a different customer base. Also if you look at the steam gpu percentages, most people on steam have a crap pc, ones that would be particularly bad on the most popular types of 4K displays. The price to performance and the ease of a console can't be matched by a pc. If you are like me and like to play on a big 4k screen on your sofa then you need a really good pc. Most gamers don't have a 65" C3 or a 4090 like I do. Ive got every console and a 4090, and fibe PC gamers are smug and insufferable in comparison to most console gamers. They are people that jump on their high horse crapping on console players but tend to be on even worse hardware than a PS5, it's embarrassing.
After many years, I had to re-learn how to assemble a gaming PC last year, because my last PC build was a 486! All the cords were changed, and stuff didn't go together, quite the same way.
Or the mainframe cooling systems from the 80s. I've seen pictures of cooling systems from the 50s through the 70s as well. Big rooms of fans and lines....
PC Gamer guy isn't wrong, but "difficult" might be the wrong word. Building your own PC is a skill, one that's exceptionally intimidating to a layman, one that must be learned. And it can very easily become a very time consuming and stressful process. Building your expensive Lego set? That's not hard. But parts selection? It's a big market and it's easy to make mistakes there (and it'd be a cold day in Hell before I trust an AI to pick them for me). And then what if it doesn't work? Diagnosing and troubleshooting is _not_ something a newbie wants to deal with. OS, driver, and software setup afterwards? It's pretty easy to do nowadays, but it remains a giant pain in the butt. Also, you're vastly overestimating those 13 years olds. Speaking from experience, if I were to dump a box of parts in front of some 13 year olds, in a given class I'd expect at most 1 or 2 of them to be able to put them together such that it'd turn on. Most of them wouldn't have the first idea where to even begin.
It was 2016 back when I was still in highschool that I decided to assemble my first ever pc. I researched what type of motherboard and cpu was compatible I researched which brands were cost effective. I learned to buy my pc parts online and made sure to buh the m at legit stores with high ratings even if it was 2nd hand. Took me a lot of tries to first setup my tower and even how to put thermal paste on my cpu and gpu. But man it was a journey. Now I have a full amd built pc with nvme and all the rgb lightings I could fit. I learned a lot.
as someone who used to work in IT i can tell you most people TODAY don't know anything about the magic box that lets you open chrome/edge office and mail. most people dont even have pc's anymore, some people i know use only tablets with keyboard accessories.
I built and sold PCs. Many wouldn't mind buying one to play games. But I'm telling you with several years of retail, most people are not that computer literate to set up or sort out technical pc issues. They don't necessarily know the language nor the process. You are correct in mentioning youtube tutorials (which is heeps better now then a decade ago when i started) but most people don't use them or know how to word the problem. When i briefly walked passed customer service in my shop, this 16-18 year old brought his PC in with his mum (he built it). They didn't know why what the problem was, my colleague opened it up and at a glance i immediately said. "Your power supply is too low", solved the problem. That's just one random example but i just think the PS-CEO is incredibly intelligent about it but in my own professional experience, he's not to far off. 🤷🏿♂️
I literally just bought a PC. I have friends that can build PCs, but even they told me that pre-built PCs can be cheaper then buying the parts yourself, assemble them and install everything. Not to mention time saved. Even with the offer on the table to build a PC for me and do everything for free it still turned out to be cheaper to buy a pre-built one. (I did get extra RAM and an extra SSD that they installed for me). So it's as easy as buying a console.
Difficult to set up for whom? The elderly don't need gaming PCs in most cases. I would be willing to bet that 90% of everyone else grew up having to either work on our computers ourselves, or paying a pro to do it. This has got to be one of the dumbest things said in 2024.
I love my PC. I PLAY my consoles. Individual components for my PC are more expensive than the latest console... and my PC isn't even near top of the range. My PC has the best games on it. It's how I make a living. It's (partly) how I make art, how I write, how I organise my life... it gives me inspiration for my next projects... but it's not a gaming device. Ironically, one of my next projects is making videos about games that're only on PC. 🤣
I started building my own PCs around 2005. I was aided by magazines and webpages in cybercafes, both available only every month during trips to the city because I worked far in the mountains. Back then you could learn overclocking to get more out of your hardware. These days I don't bother with overclocking. My siblings wanted to get into PC gaming recently. They didn't have to build their own PCs. They can simply browse through the various pre-built PCs on offer in PC shops and then asked for my opinion. I scolded one of my sisters for buying an obscenely expensive Asus Zepyhrus because I find powerful hardware in such a thin form factor as a waste of money.
The CEO of a company that makes gaming consoles is downplaying the advantages of gaming PCs. What else is new? Water is wet? Please notice they're not even talking about the price anymore.
The problem is that even when you watch a video on how to, it doesn't mean you will be able to actually do it. Angle can be slightly off ir your hands are shaking.
I built my own PC and I never had any education in IT etc., you can teach yourself quite easily. You save a lot of money by doing it yourself, plus you can use parts from your last build that are still in good shape.
I built my first PC in 1990, a state of the art 486DX33 with a whole 2MB of RAM and a 250MB Hard Drive, It was still a few years before Graphics accelerators turned up. I still remember the frustration of getting it to work properly after installing DOS. (I didn't install Windows until 3.1 and that still ran on DOS). Today, as long as your CPU matches your Motherboard, it not all that complicated or difficult at all. The most basic rule of thumb, I've always told anyone building a PC is "if it doesn't fit, it doesn't go there", it's still valid today.
That’s weird reasoning. Since PCs are “too difficult” to set up, do these people even care the extra blade of grass or car is on the screen? I don’t think so
As someone who has built their own computer for the very first time, it may take some reading, a bit to fit everything into place, but it's a great feeling. However, this cannot be called "world's most stressful version of a Lego set". There were model airplanes i built that took longer than putting the computer together. Shout out to the Verge, their video was in my mind when I purchased the parts, wondering if I would mess up that badly.
Windows 95 was at least 14 floppy disks. I think there were up to 5 more for some custom drivers and stuff. And floppies were not known for their resilience...
It IS difficult to put a PC together and people who claim otherwise ae dishonest. You need to do a ton of research to make sure your parts go together and there's no bottleneck, and there are a lot of mistakes you can make during assembly, some of which you may not realize because the PC still boots.
Its not difficult, its just a time commitment, and less convenient. Thats what normies always pay a premium for. Convenience, low responsibility, and low commitment.
Putting a computer together form individual parts is easier then assembling flat pack furniture. The only hard part might be getting the thermal paste on right. Everything only fits in one spot, except for some front panel wires.
Here in Greece it is normal for the shops you buy the parts from, to also offer to put the pieces together for you, either for free or really cheap... So the only "hard" part left is to decide which parts to buy. Something that thanks to youtube channels it is easier than ever. Heck, I bet that ChatGPT can probably suggest a fine build
if you've never done it before, I can get asking several questions. If you can navigate and comment on a UA-cam page, you can web search most of it Once you get experience with an ATX tower build, if you are a hobbyist and have the money, a cheaper ITX build can be a thing for side stuff or building a PC for separated tasks from your main rig. Building one of those gives you good experience with smaller PC parts. Once you've done two, the only thing between you and a PC setup, really is effort or a major mess up on assembly, and usually a major mess up means a problem with just one, albiet replaceable part. I would rather put a PC together than create another account that I can get randomly banned for for no reason.
The parts are no where near as fragile as they where back in the day. The days of plugging in the wrong cable and frying everything are gone. You can only plug in the 24-pin connector the right way. I suppose if you are a games journo simply remembering to breath is hard.
I used to build them when I was a kid slash teen. All the way through to about 2017 when i realised a laptop was good enough so i packed it up and took it around south east Asia. Now I have a switch in the backpack as well which is good enough for me to be honest. The graphics are good and the games are fun.
Funny, it was pretty easy for me to find non-gamers. I just had to find a girl I wanted to date, none of them were into gaming. I ended up marrying the last one, and despite my best efforts, no dice, she won't play. So, I just have to wait for my children to come along to join me. At any rate, this guy apparently hasn't heard of pre-built gaming PCs.
The only thing that ever made it seem complicated to me, is when some experts talk about bottlenecking. It forced me to research parts compatibility more than usual. But here I am now with a decent budget build that I like. I got a ryzen 5 that can easily play every game I've tested on it. I havent had any bad performance at all. Until trying out 4k resolution with cyberpunk 2077. Only then did I see stuttering. But at 1080p? No prob.
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The "PCs are difficult to set up" argument for console > PC has the same energy as "minorities can't get ID's" argument for mail-in voting.
It's a pretty old argument. *Plug AV cables in, plug cartridge in, push power button" has always been easier than PC computer gaming even with pretty old stuff. The CD era got them pretty close and Consoles have gotten a lot more difficult tbh I think playing FOSS games on Linux is actually easier than playing games on an XBOX now if you're already familiar with Linux but if you're on Windows they're both pretty similar now especially if you're on a prebuild.
They aren't wrong. It's really hard to get valid ID to vote when you're not supposed to be in the country. Much easier if they just let you vote without any kind of verification.
@Serahpin
Firstly, they said minorities not immigrants, and second, why would illegal immigrants even be allowed to vote?
@@wesleyward5901 Last I checked 1/10 blacks are first generation immigrants now. Whites keep getting upset about "replacement migration" but it's actually *way* worse for "minorities" if you look at the data.
@@wesleyward5901 Why wouldn't immigrants be allowed to vote?
The main deal is that normies are adamant they can't understand it, not that it's actually hard to understand.
You don't have to understand it, it is literally like kids games of put right shape into the right hole.
@@aj.j5833 My issue is knowing which parts i need in the first place. Idk what to look for usually
I tried to explain to a friend he didn't need to pay me forty bucks to snap in a dimm
@@aj.j5833
Making sure you bought all the right parts that work together requires some knowledge if you get them separately, but I mostly agree with you. More importantly, you can find a tutorial that will teach you how to do just about anything. It's a laziness problem, not a knowledge problem.
Exactly. That's why I don't want them near our platform. I have no respect for people who balk at even minimal engagement of the brain.
So he's basically saying "Our customers are dumb or lazy"
Yes and he is right
An honest CEO. I kinda like it.
I am a console player, and I approve this message. Also, console is cheaper (compared to an actual good PC set up)
That's what every company think of their fanbase because they think they're not costumers, they're consumers.
@@pierluigiadreani2159compared to high end pc set up*
you can get a good pc setup for the same price as a console
"Chewing your meal is difficult to et up, swallow these predigested bugzz instead." Same vibes.
Well, Soylent.
“Sure, you could buy $400 or $500 worth of computer parts, put it together and you can have a PC that’ll run anything or you can spend $800 on my thing that only plays like three or four games. Your choice.”
🎩
🐍 no step on snek!🇭🇰🇺🇸
"games" I think you meant to say movies.
@@tomtheconqerur
“Movie games”
You don't even need a PC case, naked PC is a thing and you also make custom case as well from basically anything such as a kettle, old bamboo steamer, log, cardboard, fruit crate, book, old printer, ...
But just adding Windows is 220 EUR alone (if there is anything that has 2200% markup, this is it)
@@SterileNeutrino You don't need windows, if your intention is to making a gaming rig that you also watch shows, movies and listen to music on and go online with (browser).
"It's difficult, so don't do it" - Sony
Are these the same journalists that can't double jump in Cuphead?
It have demanded wasy modes for every From Software or Bethesda game ?
It can look scary from outside, not because of the incompatibility, but because of the chance of a suboptimal build. But it is worth to learn because console companies rips you
Console manufacturers are usually subsidizing the hardware to make their money on licensing from game sales. So usually if you're buying a console when it's new you're getting about a year or two of better performance than PC gamers especially considering most PC games just end up being console ports during that period of time. By the time PC games start taking advantage of the boost in hardware specs for the standard build though, the difference is drastic.
@TeH.j0keR a year or two of better performance if and only if you compare it with a similarly priced pc.
Which you shouldn't do because consoles have paid online and more expensive games.
Compare a newly released console with a pc that costs 500$ more (which isn't much considering how ridiculously expensive online is on console) and that advantage not only disappears but it strongly flips in favor of the pc
@@Jet-ij9zc No why do you get to add £500 extra for the PC? So you're comparing a £500 console to a £1000 PC. For starters, you're not going to get any magical extra performance from a PC, literally no one in their right mind cares about 100fps instead of 60fps, especially not for that much money. And what about extras? Console online is not that expensive, lets say a nominal £10 a month (which often includes like 100 free games, so PC literally has no comparison to that unless you buy that same service on Microsoft Xbox), but lets compare this to PC add-ons, you need a monitor, keyboard and mouse, speakers or headphones, all of that will likely be more than £120 and you don't get those 100 free games.
PC has it's advantages, mainly PC exclusives and mods, no one cares about spending 100s for 10 more fps just no one cares. Console is the normal, relaxing, playful gaming experience. Keyboard and mouse can never compare to a controller in terms of comfort. Consoles are just plug and play. Consoles are backed by legacy companies, etc. PC has no real advantage to normal people. It's just PC gamers who don't understand why people don't like gaming on PC.
@@TeH.j0keR There's 3 things to consider though:
The first is consoles usually perform better in the short term if you buy them basically on release and only if you're comparing it to a PC of a similar price point.
The 2nd thing is a console is a lot less universally useful than a PC. No things such as notepad or whatever to use on a console. The funnier thing is even the things a console does have that a PC also has (i.e. Microsoft Edge on Xbox), said things are way clunkier to use on console than on PC (try using Microsoft Edge on Xbox versus PC. It's infinitely clunkier and worse to use on console just because you can't type as easily, you can't move the cursor as fast, etc.).
The 3rd thing is there are a lot of games that only exist on PC that don't exist on consoles. There's even a few games I played on console that aren't on console anymore.
Examples: Hellcard, Lethal Company, Starbound, Cave Crawlers, 100% Orange Juice, Black Mesa, Half Life 1, Castleminer Z and Murder Miners were 2 games that used to be on Xbox but aren't anymore, etc.
The main market I'd say would exist for consoles is something like couch co-op sort of stuff. Me and 2 other friends have a game we play called Dokapon Kingdom that we play couch co-op on the Switch and having the couch co-op aspect adds a whole new dynamic to playing it versus me playing it with my other group of friends on PC.
Unfortunately, most console manufacturers (particularly Microsoft) have gone full r333t4rd and decided that couch co-op is somehow not something people want anymore. Add to it that most of the older consoles that did have couch co-op are getting old and starting to burn out (i.e. my old DSi I'm pretty sure has a bad battery and I haven't gotten a suitable replacement for it yet) and I'm thinking consoles are gonna stop existing before long outside of Nintendo.
@@TeH.j0keR You definitely liked your own comment. Can't imagine not knowing what I'm talking about and then upvoting it lol
That's why literally there are companies that assemble PCs for you and even regular computer shops that can do it for you once you pick the parts you want, it's a non-issue ... either you do it yourself or you pay a small fee so someone to do it for you.
Where I bought my parts from they assembled it for free. Said the parts already made plenty profit for em.
even then, how does one pick parts? you need a motherboard, RAM, CPU, GPU, storage, PU, and cooling. you ask most normal people and they know nothing about any of these.
how much RAM do they need? should they go with intel or AMD? which of their CPUs should they pick and why? which GPU is which? how do they even know which is the latest? what do all the random numbers mean? what about the attached letters? why not go with a HDD, it's much cheaper. what's the difference between SSD and NVMe? why do they even need fans? why pick liquid cooling over fans? what if they scraped off the thermal paste accidentally?
so, just picking the parts alone is an endeavor. yeah, you can look up videos, but you kinda gotta research and answer all the questions. this is all before one even considers putting it together.
@@khaosklub I just asked the shop employees for help. I picked a shop with competitive prices and got a good service. Others might not be that lucky.
@@khaosklub Sure if you are into that you can do your own indepth research and pick the exact components that you like the most, but you can as easily ask the person you are buying from which parts are the best for your budget and what's the difference between them, or just look up the recommended requirements for the latest games available and plan from there (that's of course if you don't want to just buy a prefab PC and just call it a day, which unlike consoles is easy to upgrade any time you feel like it).
@@khaosklubeven knowing what’s up yeah it can be daunting to scope out a new build considering all the variables and codependencies, but like the one guys said there are shops that can help reduce the amount of research and get you going without too much time and effort.
I never build a pc. Then thought about it for a few days. Ordered parts and build it with tutorials and it worked right away.
I remember my first PC. I put the CPU in wrong and bent the pins not noticing the little triangle showing which way to put it in.
also, they sent me a bad SATA cable. luckily enough there was another one available.
it's easy until it's not.
@@khaosklub Currently you can watch an hour long LTT video that guides you step by step while informing you of literary everything you may need to know.
@@jeremis4304
1) normie must find this video. who knows who LTT is outside of tech nerds?
2) need? what about want? like one might want to know the differences between different PUs. one might want to know what the different cooling systems are about. what are the tradeoffs of the different types of storage. why pick on motherboard over another. case size considerations. there is just too much to cover for a single 1 hour video.
3) I doubt it covers how to trouble shoot when the PC doesn't turn on.
4) that's still like 59 more minutes.
@@khaosklub
1. When you search on this platform for pc building guide LTT is probably 1 of the top 5 vids that will pop up.
2. You research building a pc like you research buying one
3. There are even more guides on how to troubleshoot getting to post but if you follow a guide you most likely wont run into this issue unless you aren't making sure you plugged things into the right ports
4. Are those 59 minutes worth an extra 100$. If you work minimum wage probably not
There are pre-builts which are cheaper than this console that will run most of the game on there at the same spec. You don't necessarily need to build the PC.
I've built some maybe 15 years ago then I made a Ryzen 5000 and had to borrow a CPU to flash the BIOS to get it to work. Good times
Another tricky thing is ATX 8 pin power to the motherboard vs the 8 pin power to a GPU
I miss the barriers to entry into video gaming. The player base was much more intelligent in the past. Now all they have to do is buy a console to ruin your gaming experience.
It’s all push-button mentality now. They don’t have to know how it works they just know what to click.
Space Marine 2 has a boss fight where you have to push buttons on consoles whose symbols match with those glowing on some windows.
The PS and Xbox guys i was queued with were absolutely unable to grasp this.
Not with me telling them.
Not with the game telling them on repeat.
When consoleros are already too stupid to just match symbols what hope do they have to build a pc?
Also explains they they are willing to be conned to pay extra to be able play online.
I still get console addicts telling me this as a reason not to upgrade to PC. I assume these are the same people that still think masks prevent transmission of an airborn disease.
To me it’s like the concept of clicking “deploy instance” without knowing a thing about what’s going on behind the button
@@michaelwills1926 huh? You learn from doing. Like everything in life. At first you don’t know, then you do.
Anyone remember troubleshooting your IRQs when your sound card didn't run properly?
I DO. Setting up a PC nowadays is a CAKE WALK.
JUMPER PANIC! And why is there no documentation with that card???
IRQ was fine as long as you had the manuals for your card.
Now plugging a MOLEX the wrong way and watching your computer burst into flames, now THAT sucked.
Even my dad who built hundreds of computers back in the 90's would do that occasionally.
Swapping jumpers to change IRQs or Ports, changing positions on the chain for different assignment locations. Writing your own drivers or using root commands to install, having to install software manually.... (as in manually copy from disk to HD).
Not being able to use certain brands of hardware with each other....
I remember.
Now everything is plug-n-play, has automated installation, built in drivers, and isnstandardised for compatibility.
It is ridiculously easy now comparee to the 80s.
I was going to add some stuff in, but you guys got it covered.
Notching/covering floppies to switch between read only and do whatever, lol. Them archaic days were fun.
Teens can easily build a PC these days. This is not 2005 where everybody is living.
I work with kids, kids these days know less about PC then kids back then. Most of them don't even know what a CPU is, they just know how to turn it on and get apps.
Teens? I know kids who can do it
@@ccdsah A few but not many, they aren't more computer literate as a whole then Boomers are.
@@aj.j5833 Gen-Z can easily build a PC, but actual kids like Gen-Alpha, they're completely technologically illiterate, they cant even type because they just use speech-to-text on everything, they literally don't know how to use a mouse because they were raised with touch screens, etc.
Also don't be blinded by the Gen-X and Boomers who are online, that was the era of "nerds" don't forget, they are the nerds, and the nerds were not the majority. Most of those generations are completely tech illiterate too just for different reasons.
@@Alfred5555 That my point with younger gen. Ones that know know but majority know nothing, same way with Boomers.
The mystery why game media is fucked is finally solved: they all are just braindead.
PS. The "hardest" part of assembling a pc, that i did about a month ago (first time in over a decade), was hearing that cracking noise when i installed the cpu and closed the bracket. Oh boy, i'm already gray-haired enough for my age!
"PCs are difficult to set up." Me, an intellectual, putting together Lego sets from the age of 5.
Not sure about kits specifically, but I was definitely inspired to make a lot of things from the shows & comics of my time, with Thunderbirds in particular instantly springing to mind. Even made my own racing game once using the flat roadway boards we had, called Racing Rally. (#^_^#)
I know an 11 year old that built their first pc this year.
I was that kid. I built my first PC with my cousin at age of 7. He let me have his older PC parts. I miss days like that, instead of having most computers these days all being prebuilt and you can't work on them yourself easily.
@@aj.j5833 I can relate. I built my first PC in 1996. Today its never been easier to build one.
Iv built PCs since 1989ish. Not so much lately but it's really not that hard.
It's become much easier since the SSDs have arrived. Roomwise & heat-flow-wise and cablewise.
Alos, the unification of buses with PCIe winning was a great step forward.
I probably built my first PC in the early 1980s at maybe 7 or 8 years old. These days it's a cakewalk to build, the hard part is finding a sensible case and parts that doesn't light up like a damned rave when you're trying to use it or sleep in a dark room lol. Like WTF, i just want a simple all black OG poor person metal box with fans and slots, i don't need to pay extra for huge glass windows and 1kw of RGB lighting and all the nonsense and clownery.
I watched my son teach his younger sister how to build a PC this past Christmas. Start to finish took her about 45 minutes. A complete novice, who was being taught what each component was called and its function as she installed it, did it with zero difficulties.
Man, 45 minutes! It took me 4 days to build my last one including Windows installation, although to be fair, I wasn't in the best of health at the time (it was a HUGE machine that I had real trouble moving about as a recall). My latest build was a lot better, mainly because my brother had the exact same spec, having most of the problems ironed out before I even got to that point. I've yet to have any major issues as well, touch wood, which is a first. (^_~)
In my country if you buy whole PC from ANY store out there, they will assemble it for you for free.
My computer store charges $70 (about $50USD) which is pretty reasonable. Many prebuilts are also getting better if you check reviews there are newer companies doing it right
Same. If you buy all the parts on the same website you can pay them $40 to build it for you.
@@Daniel-gb9ex No, here do it 100% free, or at least no separated extra fee. We are poor country, every sale matters and sellers gotta do something else beside sitting on their asses whole day
PC building: Game Journo Difficulty
I've been building and setting up PCs since I was a kid.
Sure, you need more than two neurons to rub together and you will make a few mistakes at first, but it's not difficult.
I built 3 so far. It's a fun activity, like playing with Lego, but more expensive. I do disassemble my PC regularly to clean it.
I helped others with the cleaning and I was shocked a few times by the amount of dust can accumulate if you don't take care of your PC.
I built my first computer from parts I fished out of dumpsters and scrap piles as a child in the early 80s.
Nowadays it is ridiculously easy to assemble and set up desktops. One doesn't have to write code, use root commands, or physically change the hardware by moving jumpers around. Plus there is a standardisation of parts, so one generally will not encounter incompatibility issues trying to use components from competing manufacturers together.
Folks today have no idea how much easier it is in comparison.
biggest issue i ever have is installing the cpu.
I didn’t start building rigs till the mid 90’s but even then you had to deal with jumpers and DIPs and compatibility was a strict process and nothing says “ouch” like finding the raw edge of a drive bay with your knuckle, but I’m thankful for the experience
@@michaelwills1926 plug-n-play compatibility started in the early 90s but didn't really become a thing until Windows 95. Wasn't a big thing for Linux systems for a few years after.
Some companies tried standardizing hardware in the 80s, but it didn't really work out at the time because of the differences between IDE and SCSI. The growth of PCI Bus compared to ISA, SATA or Data Exchange Bus was very beneficial for standardization.
Game Consoles are just as complicated to set up as a PC these days.
Wouldnt know. Been master racing since 2011
Especially if you consider something like PSVR(2), SSD expansion, etc.
Prebuilt PCs exist, as generally sub-par as they may be. In fact, that’s how I started. In 2020, I bought a Prebuilt (HP Omen 25L) that had a tempered glass side panel. After staring at its guts for enough hours, I wanted to find out what exactly I had. I turned to google; that sent me to task manager. Task manager gave me some part names, and those part names gave me some keywords for UA-cam search. That in turn led me to endless PC tech UA-cam channels: Gamers Nexus, JayzTwoCents, Hardware Unboxed, and LTT, among many others. Two years later, I scraped enough scratch to build my own high-spec machine. Since then I’ve built dozens of lower power machines for to run different applications, with plans to build more.
You have grit and initiative, brother. Seems like Sony fanboys don't have either of those.
@@Arassar They have been socially engineered to be lazy.
There are plenty of decent prebuilt companies nowadays too for those that can't be bothered.
@@Daniel-gb9exor even pick the parts and pay store employees to build it for you
When I built my PC (granted my roommate helped me out), I didn't know how much thermal paste to apply. So i started spreading it over the CPU like as though I was spreading peanut butter on bread. Funny experience
There are businesses that will build the machine for you with the parts you selected and install the OS of your choosing for an extra fee, even provide a waranty, and the result will still be cheaper than a PS5 pro.
You're giving way too much credit to the normies for the sake of this argument. Remember that building a PC doesn't start with you in front of the components- first you need to do some research and decide what do you want or can buy according to your budget, and that's not a straightforward task anymore- nowadays you need to check which RAM is compatible with both your motherboard and CPU (for AMD) and you need to check which CPUs you need to avoid because they'll selfdestruct after a couple of years (for Intel).
It's normal to assume that things that are easy or obvious to us should be easy or obvious for most people, however that's not necessarily the case.
It would be somewhat of a point if consoles hadn't bricked themselves on occasion.
Cord management kills me.
Although it's mostly because I just I used small cases and incremental upgrades.
"PCs are difficult to set up" stands out to me as someone who doesn't know how to plug things in to his TV.
Building is different.
The people who find building a PC hard are people with no patience and who refused to read and follow instructions.
See also people who never figured out how to look up a guide on how to do something.
1:36 - Clearly they've never tried building an RC Crawler from scratch.
I've done that. Including building the servos, speed control and motors....
I've done so from kit and without a kit. 1/12th carpet and 1/10th pan weren't typically available as kits in the late 80s and early 90s. Plus when the kits for them started to come out, they were more expensive anyway.
While it's not hard, it's also fucking terrifying if you screw up.
>Reapplied new thermals to GPU
>PC screen remains black after turning it on
>Start sweating as I unplug and replug multiple time
>A day passes and I'm contemplating I might actually have to buy a new GPU because I goofed somewhere
>Try turning it on one last time
>Motherboard finally boots up
>Sink to knees in relief
I’d argue that it’s exactly like being a mechanic Vee. It’s something that looks complex on the outside but is pretty straightforward with a tutorial. Everyone should be changing their own oil rather than paying someone else and there are plenty of people that pick the parts and have someone build the PC for them. It wouldn’t say it’s difficult, just time consuming and many don’t have the time or patience for that.
Well, you don't need to be a certified mechanic for simple maintenance (and no general consumer product should require you to be a specialist for simple tasks), just like you don't need a CS degree to just build a computer. Heck, even Linux (a OS made for programmers initially) which was known for it's complexity is nowadays almost as easy to use as Windows.
There's no future for a company that tries to broaden their audience and reach for casual customers without putting resources into R&D to make it more accessible.
This is not always accurate.
I can pay $15/quaer for oil at retail or I can pay $2/quart to get it from my mechanic. (He gets motor oil by the barrel, and multiple barrels at a time.)
Oil and air filters are also 1/4th of retail through my mechanic.
This doesn't even get into my lack of space to do repairs, and my inability to access certain parts of my vehicle without the proper tools (I don't have a jack that will raise my whole car off the ground for example. My oil pan/reservoir is not readily accessible other parts have to be removed first.)
So I could spend 60 dollars on the oil alone, and spend a couple hours doing it. Or I can pay my mechanic 30 bucks and he'll have it done in 30 minutes.
I understand that not everyone has a vehicle with difficult access to oil pan/reservoir or the oil and air filters. Just as some people don't use a good mechanic.
That is their problem though.
You gotta remember the average gaming journalist can't get past the Cuphead tutorial.
I don't doubt that putting things in slots that will only go in the right way is above their capabilities.
Also prebuilts are no longer that more expensive if you *really* don't wanna build one yourself.
Meanwhile Rockstar announced that GTA 6 will only run at 30 FPS on the current gen consoles, because that's how strong they are.
1. Finding the proper PC parts isn't that hard at all. It takes only an hour of research.
2. There are services that will assemble a PC for you with the parts you bought if it is too daunting.
3. Fiddling with PC settings is easier these days.
There is no excuse to not game on PC.
This entire argument is bunk. Its not about whats easiest, its about convenience. Yeah building a PC is easy but its still harder than just buying a gaming console. Thats their entire business proposition, and it works because people have limited time
this. i’ve wanted to get a pc for some time, but i’ve neither the time nor the space for it at the moment. i work for a living, and i work overnight to help take care of disabled parents during the day. some of us are adults with very little free time (hell, the only reason i got back into gaming again in my 30s was because oh right, no one else is up when i am, and i needed something to do), and some of the people down here are just as terminally online as the journos the bitch at…
these are toys at the end of the day. people who insult people over which toy they have are children.
Best to learn how to do so in order to not get ripped off by console companies.
"Navi Progression: Serial Experiments Lain"
"if it doesn't fit there, it doesn't belong there" sounds very much like the thing stopping them. You know, the people who rather force the slot to fit the part, rather than put it where there is a slot for it...
I got into PC gaming a few years back.
Hardware wise I kmow enough to get by.
When it comes to software issues, a quick google, some YT vids, and sometimes a mod, the game runs great. My system is far from a powerhouse, but It runs everything just right.
I also got into emulating a few months back, and I feel like a kid again playing my favorite PS2 classics.
Yeah there can be a few "extra steps" at times, but the whole thing got me really interested in computers.
Now I'm planning on taking some IT courses from a trade school.
Bro for real. PS2 emulation is the goat.
I don't know. People are saying that gen z has less understanding of technology that older generations do, so it could be true. Everything just worked for them, so they never learned how to troubleshoot, and now they're scared to even try and learn it.
Sony threatened gamers if they mod new Final Fantasy game in a way they don like...
yep didnt they add actual drm to a 20 year old game recently?
@@NoahGooder Yes they did and they censored them as well.
It's true. The real problem is that a pc requires a desk most people do not want to use a handheld keyboard. People just want to sit on a couch with a controller in hand ready to go
Sites literally exist to check compatibility if you're not buying a pre built one
I actually said "It's as easy as Legos" 😂
Today it's managing heat and avoiding bottlenecks...
Bent pins can cost you hundreds of dollars... It's not all a bed of roses...there are some thorns...🌹
I grew up a tinkerer, it's truly not that hard for children to understand how to deal with hardware.
I have already taught my 6 year old granddaughter how to build a PC, and my 3 year old learned as well. (Though for the 3 year old, I'll have to revisit teaching her in a couple of years.)
I built my first pc when I was 6, my kids by time they were 10, I intend to ensure my grandchildren can do so by time they are 10 as well.
At least they don't have to manually code drivers, use root access to manually install software item by item or play with jumpers..... plus there are more resources than just a diagram....
I mean.. it's more complicated to physically assemble a PC than it is to turn on a console, but beyond that point.. no. And you can just order a prebuilt PC to bypass that if it's too difficult for you, or you don't have the time to blow on it.
No, even beyond that, it's more complicated. for one, where to buy games? right there, you have like 20 different storefronts with steam being the most popular. but GOG is also a great option.
then there's compatibility. are the parts you picked compatible with this game? the game boots up to a black screen, what do? like, every game I play on steam has people in the forums complaining about or asking for fixes for various issues. without fail, every game I play has issues on boot. and I play mostly 2D platformers.
I've only had issues with beyond good and evil defaulting to french, sonic adventure 1 having issues with resolution, crash bandicoot not playing well with higher framerates, and spyro reignited just plain not being completeable outside of specific framerates.
The ultimate question no one is asking...
"Would you trust your PC gaming rig to a toddler or family member that knows nothing about computers but wants to play a game?
Some use gaming to babysit their kids...
Some just want gaming as an appliance that you plug in, log in, and it works on their big family room 4K TV.
This is why we'll always have a console in some form.
mobile is taking that spot away from consoles. I've seen plenty of tots getting along fine with mobile gaming.
You know you can connect PC to TV just as easily as console? And use wireless controllers? And set up your steam client or even emulators like RetroArch or PCSX2 to launch in kiosk mode (so you can't interact with outside programs)?
There's no reason to own a console nowadays (specifically not a reason for console over PC) assuming you are willing to put a bit of effort to set it up (it's no longer 2000s, it's easy).
Or you know just give the toddler a box of toys in the middle of the living room floor, maybe have the TV on with one of the kids channels or a movie on DVD playing.
In my mind gaming is not for babysitting it is something that at least for young kids you should be supervising until they understand not to damage expensive electronics until they are old enough for their own.
who the hell buys an 800 dollar console to "babysit" their kids? when a tablet/phone can do just as well or even better.
Consoles haven't been something for kids for a LONG time...
Yes. Yes I would.
My 6 year old and 3 year old granddaughters can use a PC. I have been making sure of that, even though I'm teaching them on Fedora. (I'm a RedHat certified engineer.)
So not only do my toddlers understand how to use a desktop or laptop, they are learning how to build and set them up. (Though the youngest isn't ready for GIT or command line stuff yet.)
I was 6 when I built my first computer, with parts fished from dumpsters or scrap piles. My children learned by time they were 10, grandchildren will have learned by time they are 10. Even if they NEVER build a computer or one up in the future, they will have at least a basic understanding of doing so.
It isn't like I'm asking them to build chipsets or anything.
Assembling a PC in 1999 was definitely more complicated. Now every plug/card can go only into 1 socket/slot. RAM DIMMs since DDR3 have their grooves off-center, so you can't plug it in reverse either. New cases these days don't even need a screwdriver to do this. Things are fool-proof now, unless you try to jam a 8 pin plug into a 6 pin socket, which is impossible for anyone with even room temperature IQ.
Claiming PCs are hard to set up means you either forgot to turn on the lights, or you forgot to take off the blindfold, or both. Or perhaps your IQ competes with winter temperatures in Chicago.
Or you are the CEO of a video game console company that just launched a ridiculously overpriced console, and you need to gaslight customers into not buying a cheaper other option.
I’ve (recently no less) built lego sets that were more time consuming and aggravating than my fairly good pc
Any $60 or pricier lego set takes more time than to assemble than a PC
I'm not a huge nerd and built my 1st PC at age 12. Dial up internet days (no yt tutorial).
If I wasn't sure, I just read stuff on the components, cables, and motherboard. It literally says where everything goes..
I didn't need more brainpower than playing this kids game, where you sort shapes.
I'm a console player. Let's not wage war among ourselves. We know who the ennemy is and it's not console gamers. It's people who don't play and don't buy video games at all, as recently demonstrated.
seriously… fighting over which plastic box we use to relax is pretty fucking stupid. V and a lot of the hardcore audience down here can be pretty unbearable with their terminally online sometimes (yeah, it’s not only the lefties guys… those of you calling other people “sheep” because they own a different plastic box than you… and how many of you pc players use bill gates’ Windows when you turn that machine on? you’re just as tied to woke corpos as anyone else.. give it a rest). it’s well known that consoles exist for the lazy. trying to pretend that it’s somehow demeaning to point that out just feels silly.
“His precious console’s honor” ngl, that was actually a pretty savage “PC looking down at console” line lmfao
My $600 mini PC takes no setup or configuration, and it plays everything worth playing. Even Elden Ring on high settings.
Sony can take their $800 PS5 and shove it.
Yeah but most people prefer sitting on their couch, in front of their big tv, with a comfortable controller that makes gaming 10X more immersive, especially with things like modern haptic feedback and tension triggers, plus for reasonable subscriptions fees you get like 100 good and classic games for free to play whenever wherever. PC is only good for niche exclusives, like mil-sims and strategy games, and mods, normal and casual people will never be into PC gaming. I think because it's objectively worse in every way besides some weird pride about having more that 60fps and slightly nicer graphics.
@@Alfred5555 I game with PC on my TV on a couch with a controller.
@@aj.j5833 Sure, because it's so much more appealing, hence why console will probably always be the go to mode of gaming.
Out of interest, if you play with the new Ps5 controller, does the tension triggers and haptic feedback actually work same as if it was on Ps5? Personally my optimal set up would be a PC on the tv, or even just a big monitor, or something where I could switch between the 2.
@@Alfred5555 Xbox controller is better for PC then PS5 even third party ones based on Xbox are better as well. PS5 controller is a pain to set up and get working correctly.
@@Alfred5555 I can and do often also play on a monitor with keyboard and mouse from same PC as well. It is connected to both TV and computer monitor I can switch between. Depends on type of game, PC gives you options. Also have full flight control set up and driving wheel.
Ok, I'll agree, PCs are difficult to set up... If that's your first time ever setting one up and you don't have any manuals on your hand.
The most difficult thing about building and setup of a Gaming PC is... earning the money to buy the parts that I want...
Which is why I'm here commenting on a youtube video instead of playing games in my Gaming PC
Most people don't have a clue how to use a pc for gaming properly because they have no idea about resolution, performance or even the particulars of the display they use. Most console players play on their sofa on a tv, unless you have a decent tv it's useless for a pc to game on. This is an incredibly stupid argument, they serve a different customer base.
Also if you look at the steam gpu percentages, most people on steam have a crap pc, ones that would be particularly bad on the most popular types of 4K displays.
The price to performance and the ease of a console can't be matched by a pc.
If you are like me and like to play on a big 4k screen on your sofa then you need a really good pc. Most gamers don't have a 65" C3 or a 4090 like I do.
Ive got every console and a 4090, and fibe PC gamers are smug and insufferable in comparison to most console gamers. They are people that jump on their high horse crapping on console players but tend to be on even worse hardware than a PS5, it's embarrassing.
option 3: there are many sites that build them for you, if you are LAZY AF. but at the end of the day you still have your custom rig
My knee jerk reaction was that its difficult but realized thats just an old impression from 20+ years ago.
After many years, I had to re-learn how to assemble a gaming PC last year, because my last PC build was a 486!
All the cords were changed, and stuff didn't go together, quite the same way.
To be fair, these new liquid cooling systems look intimidating
You don't need water cooling. PC gotten much more efficient.
@@aj.j5833 I have a Phantom Spirit and it's a beast. Modern aircoolers offer great performance.
You should see the liquid cooling systems from the late 90s if you consider the modern versions to be "intimidating".
@@nobodyshome6792 I guess so, but PC building community had probably been much smaller and more hardcore competent back then
Or the mainframe cooling systems from the 80s.
I've seen pictures of cooling systems from the 50s through the 70s as well. Big rooms of fans and lines....
PC Gamer guy isn't wrong, but "difficult" might be the wrong word. Building your own PC is a skill, one that's exceptionally intimidating to a layman, one that must be learned. And it can very easily become a very time consuming and stressful process.
Building your expensive Lego set? That's not hard. But parts selection? It's a big market and it's easy to make mistakes there (and it'd be a cold day in Hell before I trust an AI to pick them for me). And then what if it doesn't work? Diagnosing and troubleshooting is _not_ something a newbie wants to deal with. OS, driver, and software setup afterwards? It's pretty easy to do nowadays, but it remains a giant pain in the butt.
Also, you're vastly overestimating those 13 years olds. Speaking from experience, if I were to dump a box of parts in front of some 13 year olds, in a given class I'd expect at most 1 or 2 of them to be able to put them together such that it'd turn on. Most of them wouldn't have the first idea where to even begin.
It was 2016 back when I was still in highschool that I decided to assemble my first ever pc. I researched what type of motherboard and cpu was compatible I researched which brands were cost effective. I learned to buy my pc parts online and made sure to buh the m at legit stores with high ratings even if it was 2nd hand. Took me a lot of tries to first setup my tower and even how to put thermal paste on my cpu and gpu. But man it was a journey. Now I have a full amd built pc with nvme and all the rgb lightings I could fit. I learned a lot.
The effort is insanely worth it.
I'm old, i built PC's back when you had to solder components to boards to get them to work. Today it's a basic skill issue.
Used to be. Now you buy a PC and it installs Windows and works out of the box. PCs are very user friendly nowadays.
as someone who used to work in IT i can tell you most people TODAY don't know anything about the magic box that lets you open chrome/edge office and mail.
most people dont even have pc's anymore, some people i know use only tablets with keyboard accessories.
I built and sold PCs.
Many wouldn't mind buying one to play games.
But I'm telling you with several years of retail, most people are not that computer literate to set up or sort out technical pc issues.
They don't necessarily know the language nor the process.
You are correct in mentioning youtube tutorials (which is heeps better now then a decade ago when i started) but most people don't use them or know how to word the problem.
When i briefly walked passed customer service in my shop, this 16-18 year old brought his PC in with his mum (he built it). They didn't know why what the problem was, my colleague opened it up and at a glance i immediately said.
"Your power supply is too low", solved the problem.
That's just one random example but i just think the PS-CEO is incredibly intelligent about it but in my own professional experience, he's not to far off.
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I literally just bought a PC. I have friends that can build PCs, but even they told me that pre-built PCs can be cheaper then buying the parts yourself, assemble them and install everything. Not to mention time saved.
Even with the offer on the table to build a PC for me and do everything for free it still turned out to be cheaper to buy a pre-built one. (I did get extra RAM and an extra SSD that they installed for me).
So it's as easy as buying a console.
i'd be that thirteen-year-old that asked to be excused so i could cry in the bathroom because i cannot understand the assignment.
Competence crisis is real. I've been assembling PCs when i was 15.
In a roundabout way, he just called his own customers "console peasants".
Difficult to set up for whom? The elderly don't need gaming PCs in most cases. I would be willing to bet that 90% of everyone else grew up having to either work on our computers ourselves, or paying a pro to do it. This has got to be one of the dumbest things said in 2024.
...If it's so cheap and easy, why don't you PC gamers make a little money competing with Sony? Modern moonshiners if you will?
Building a Lego is way more difficult than building a PC by just connevting parts.
I love my PC.
I PLAY my consoles.
Individual components for my PC are more expensive than the latest console... and my PC isn't even near top of the range.
My PC has the best games on it. It's how I make a living. It's (partly) how I make art, how I write, how I organise my life... it gives me inspiration for my next projects... but it's not a gaming device.
Ironically, one of my next projects is making videos about games that're only on PC. 🤣
Sorry guys I'm going to go against the grain here, I have no idea how to build my PC the current one I'm using I paid my little brother to build
I started building my own PCs around 2005. I was aided by magazines and webpages in cybercafes, both available only every month during trips to the city because I worked far in the mountains. Back then you could learn overclocking to get more out of your hardware. These days I don't bother with overclocking.
My siblings wanted to get into PC gaming recently. They didn't have to build their own PCs. They can simply browse through the various pre-built PCs on offer in PC shops and then asked for my opinion. I scolded one of my sisters for buying an obscenely expensive Asus Zepyhrus because I find powerful hardware in such a thin form factor as a waste of money.
The CEO of a company that makes gaming consoles is downplaying the advantages of gaming PCs. What else is new? Water is wet?
Please notice they're not even talking about the price anymore.
The problem is that even when you watch a video on how to, it doesn't mean you will be able to actually do it. Angle can be slightly off ir your hands are shaking.
I built my own PC and I never had any education in IT etc., you can teach yourself quite easily. You save a lot of money by doing it yourself, plus you can use parts from your last build that are still in good shape.
I built my first PC in 1990, a state of the art 486DX33 with a whole 2MB of RAM and a 250MB Hard Drive, It was still a few years before Graphics accelerators turned up. I still remember the frustration of getting it to work properly after installing DOS. (I didn't install Windows until 3.1 and that still ran on DOS).
Today, as long as your CPU matches your Motherboard, it not all that complicated or difficult at all. The most basic rule of thumb, I've always told anyone building a PC is "if it doesn't fit, it doesn't go there", it's still valid today.
If you spend like 2 days to read up on PC stuff before spending away your money, PCs are quite easy to set up
I got a prebuilt late last year, the longest part of the set up was taking it out of the box. Hell even upgrading the RAM took minutes.
Omg...turbo nerds about to seriously try and argue that pc's aren't a hassle to set up...
It is, honestly. I've done it many times. And it's annoying and easy to get wrong.
"Basic math is very difficult" - says the boy who couldn't pass the primary school.
That’s weird reasoning. Since PCs are “too difficult” to set up, do these people even care the extra blade of grass or car is on the screen? I don’t think so
As someone who has built their own computer for the very first time, it may take some reading, a bit to fit everything into place, but it's a great feeling. However, this cannot be called "world's most stressful version of a Lego set". There were model airplanes i built that took longer than putting the computer together.
Shout out to the Verge, their video was in my mind when I purchased the parts, wondering if I would mess up that badly.
Windows 95 was at least 14 floppy disks.
I think there were up to 5 more for some custom drivers and stuff.
And floppies were not known for their resilience...
It IS difficult to put a PC together and people who claim otherwise ae dishonest. You need to do a ton of research to make sure your parts go together and there's no bottleneck, and there are a lot of mistakes you can make during assembly, some of which you may not realize because the PC still boots.
Its not difficult, its just a time commitment, and less convenient. Thats what normies always pay a premium for. Convenience, low responsibility, and low commitment.
Putting a computer together form individual parts is easier then assembling flat pack furniture.
The only hard part might be getting the thermal paste on right.
Everything only fits in one spot, except for some front panel wires.
Here in Greece it is normal for the shops you buy the parts from, to also offer to put the pieces together for you, either for free or really cheap...
So the only "hard" part left is to decide which parts to buy. Something that thanks to youtube channels it is easier than ever.
Heck, I bet that ChatGPT can probably suggest a fine build
if you've never done it before, I can get asking several questions.
If you can navigate and comment on a UA-cam page, you can web search most of it
Once you get experience with an ATX tower build, if you are a hobbyist and have the money, a cheaper ITX build can be a thing for side stuff or building a PC for separated tasks from your main rig. Building one of those gives you good experience with smaller PC parts. Once you've done two, the only thing between you and a PC setup, really is effort or a major mess up on assembly, and usually a major mess up means a problem with just one, albiet replaceable part.
I would rather put a PC together than create another account that I can get randomly banned for for no reason.
The parts are no where near as fragile as they where back in the day. The days of plugging in the wrong cable and frying everything are gone. You can only plug in the 24-pin connector the right way. I suppose if you are a games journo simply remembering to breath is hard.
I used to build them when I was a kid slash teen.
All the way through to about 2017 when i realised a laptop was good enough so i packed it up and took it around south east Asia.
Now I have a switch in the backpack as well which is good enough for me to be honest. The graphics are good and the games are fun.
The hard part is building a pc in a form factor that can fit nicely in/next to a tv cabinet.
Funny, it was pretty easy for me to find non-gamers. I just had to find a girl I wanted to date, none of them were into gaming. I ended up marrying the last one, and despite my best efforts, no dice, she won't play. So, I just have to wait for my children to come along to join me.
At any rate, this guy apparently hasn't heard of pre-built gaming PCs.
Funny thing is. He's not actually saying that pcs are hard to build. He's saying it's hard to "set up".
Turn on, follow in screen prompts, done.
The only thing that ever made it seem complicated to me, is when some experts talk about bottlenecking. It forced me to research parts compatibility more than usual. But here I am now with a decent budget build that I like. I got a ryzen 5 that can easily play every game I've tested on it. I havent had any bad performance at all. Until trying out 4k resolution with cyberpunk 2077. Only then did I see stuttering. But at 1080p? No prob.