Osiris Egyptian god as a practicing which and a person who studied mythology like his entire life and who love that show that would have terrified me as a witch if I was in the room with her I mean to harness that kind of power I question where does she get it from who are her past ancestors you know?
@Paulo Eusebio She made the right choice because she’s more powerful as a witch rather than a vengeance demon. Willows power grows stronger in the comics than even an old one which is a very powerful demon. She even attracts the likes of elemental goddesses and chooses a demon-witch spirit to be her guide.
The ex Higher Power was at her weakest though, she even said “if only this was a few weeks later.” This is actually a testament to Jasmine’s power because Willow isn’t no pushover.
Dark Willow curb stomped Buffy. Buffy narrowly defeated Faith. Faith would later curb stomp Connor. By the transitive property, it is quite clear that Dark Willow would squash Connor like a bug. Not even a particularly agile or hard to kill bug, such as a mosquito. Like an ant or a slow moving cockroach.
@Geeky Ninja I believe Willow’s words when Cordelia/Jasmin ask how she’s been, was “old and medieval”. I don’t think Willow explicitly gave enough details of what she did as Dark Willow.
I love it, because it also somewhat sounds like she says “I bid my tongue”, as in the past tense of the verb “bide”, meaning to remain or store, but also the verb “bid” as well, meaning to command or request (a famous example of which being the line “bid my blood to run” in the song “Bring Me to Life” by Evanescence). Just another reason why I love the cleaver writing in the shows Angel and Buffy, because of how witty and how many meanings there can be even in such small scenes of dialogue.
Dylan Corcoran Yes. Season 4 of Buffy connected to season 1 of Angel Season 5 of Buffy connected to season 2 of Angel Season 6 of Buffy connected to season 3 of Angel Season 7 of Buffy connected to season 4 of Angel And then season 5 of Angel happened which eventually led to Season 6 and the eventual connection to season 8 of Buffy (comics)
Dylan Corcoran well I mean in Season 1 of Angel Faith comes to kill him and Buffy arrives after the events of having her body snatched by Faith to kill Faith and take her down. Or what about when Willow comes for Season 4 of Angel to help save Angel and to Retrieve Faith. Or in Season 5 of Angel Episode 11 known as Damage where a potential slayer who has been activated goes on a rampage to hunt down the man that tortured her for years and Andrew comes there revealing that Buffy is tracking down those who activated and recruiting and training them.
If I recall. When willow went over the edge her eyes turned white when she made every potential slayer a slayer. So loon how strong she is while not tapping into all of her strength and how other gods tremble. Now imagine them going up against full willow? They would probably run as fast as the could
Nah it depended. her eyes turned black when she went over the edge uncontrollably. As we saw in Dark Willow. Her essence was was white when she awakened the Potentials because she was using the power of the slayer to tap into light magic to do that. As we saw with White Willow. But when she’s White Willow she’s in control. It’s only when she was Dark Willow she was over the edge
I LOVE Wesley's way with Willow!! First, he's worried about her when she gets thrown across the room. Then, he has no doubt that Willow can "hold her own" And lastly, Wesley looks impressed by Willow saying "ignore it" to the demon head thing.
Cordelia turned evil because Jasmine was controlling her making her do terrible things and she was the Beast Master also because of Jasmine controlling her and she taken over Cordy body to .
What I love here is that team angel, specifically Gunn, Connor, lorne and Fred, only heard stories about team scooby. For them to see Willow show her power, it's like yup, that's why scoobies are team A and team angel is team B.
the only people in the scoobies who deserve the title of team A are buffy, willow, and spike if you count him as part of the group. The rest barely do anything meanwhile team angel all have fighters, brains, and magics who contribue to the team so they are more than just team B.
@@erica-cq7ns Buffy can beat Angel. Willow’s magic is greater than all of Team Angel combined. Giles expertise is greater than Wesley’s. Xander has more combat prowess than Fred. Spike can beat Gunn. Sorry babe Buffy is Team A.
@@galactichand551 you can’t convince me that xander is useful i’m sorry. and wesley doesn’t just have expertise he can also fight. same with fred, she not only fights but is incredibly smart.
My favorite use of it was when Willow and Tara teleported Glory out of the hospital. She materializes a mile above the city, looks around, uses the line, and plummets in a fireball to the ground. I had never laughed so hard in my life until I saw that!
Yes! This and "What the f....". Buffy says it in 'Serial Life' and Faith in 'Release'. I'm sure there is a third instance but I can't remember right now.
Omg I remember that on TV i watched and she was up in the air and she goes.....oh SHHHHH......Then falls down that's when I start to record more buffy episodes here and there!!!!! Same with charmed now having seasons on dvd again!!!! It's worth it shows aren't that good and fun anymore
Nah, she wouldn't. Out of the witches and warlocks in BtVS, Tara is the only one who can identify aura. She even figured it ut Faith body-snatched Buffy just by reading the body's aura then.
This episode really doesnt play up how amazing this face off is. When we first met Willow and Cordi they were both kids in school just making their way through the drudgery of it all...and now here they are...one a demi-goddess witch of apocalyptic power and the other a clairvoyant medium to a higher power also carrying the...(lets say 4th magical pregnancy at this point) remains of a fallen demi-goddess from a time long since past...long way from the school yard kids!
More like the other way around, Willow couldn't even tell it was coming from the room upstairs. Cordy knew immediately what that Willow was there before she saw her arrive.
@@Francesconcjsja Thank you ! Thats what I like about this season. I also like the whole world peace thing with Jasmine, very clever. And how her name took away her powers. There s actually this theory that says that God has a name and that if you ever knew it, it would give you power over him and you could summon him anytime. Jasmine being one of the powers that be, that whole name thing was clever too.
I love that at the same time, in the Buffy show, willow was afraid of using any kind of spell. On Buffy: oh no buffy if I use magic I might go overboard On Angel: giant demon head bringing me into a magic battle while I simultaneously use another magic to send a marble like a homing missile? Not even gonna redo my black roots for this
The fact that Jasmine didnt plan for Willow. Like, her whole plan involved Buffy, and probably some other nefarious B.S. However, Faith and Willow were the curveballs that saved Team Angel from the worst parts of what Jasmine planned
Season 4 was the weakest one. Still seen 1-5 like billion times 😎🖐️ it's a bummer we never got the comic book continuity on these shows. LA falling to Hell, Slayer organisation, Seed of Wonder, Twilight etc. Theres tons of content right there. Fucking WB
@@qwahaxahn I agree. Angel is less flashy and fishy and young adult than Angel. Angel is more mid-late 20’s through 30’s in tone and in some ways a little darker in terms of people’s natures while Buffy was more coming of age and light.
3:02 I don't know how if she's right about this or not/if Jasmine would have been able to take Willow (she is a higher power, but then Willow managed to make a god scream in pain, and that was before she got a power up in season 6), but either way it's so satisfying that throughout all of season 4 Willow was the only one who managed to make Cordelia/Jasmine sweat.
This was after dark willow and before "white" willow she was holding back during this time for fear of loosing control again. I think jasmine could of beaten this willow but full power willow after season 7 buffy would be a different story
Jasmine would easily take Dark Willow at her most powerful because of her thrall. Jasmine would turn her into a mindless follower and could just consume her. Dark Willow is still human and has no feats against Jasmine’s thrall who not only could do planetary mind control but also mind control an entire dimension of demons.
I LOVED BTVS… but crossovers with Angel really allowed some of the supporting characters to shine.. being on Buffy, she had to be the strongest because it was her show she was the hero.. so, Faith never really go to win any big battles, Angels skills were tempered, and even Willow when she got too powerful they always knocked her out.. on Angel , his character is already established as not as strong as a slayer so Faith had some of her biggest and hardest battles on this show and Willow was able to have this big bad ass throw down. All of this without overshadowing the main character cuz the premise of his show was more of team.. as opposed to Buffy’s which was she was the leader and they were support.
One thing that I never understood was how did Willow not feel Jasmine's power when she went to visit "Cordelia", like I know she said if only it was a few weeks later. But surely she still would have felt a presence. Willow even stated herself in Buffy when she took the magic out of Giles that she could feel all life on earth. I know as well that it has to continue throughout the show but surely she would have felt something
I dont think she still had that borrowed witch power from Giles she gave it back when she went to England with him...she still has her "Dark Willow" magic she drained from the books.
She has all the power she took the coven just showed her how to control it. Willow is the strongest witch in the buffy universe they even called her a goddess at one point. She can go dark again she had to learn to keep her emotions in check.
Considering Joss Whedon has been outed for mistreatment of cast, like how Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) was written off the show the way she was, and Sarah Michelle Gellar (Buffy) also confirmed the toxic environment … it would be nearly impossible or at least very difficult to bring this show back.
Willow got destroyed by Glory in that fight. She didn’t fight her off at all. Willow went all crazy and attacked her, caused her a few seconds of pain then got her ass handed to her without Glory even trying. That fight is more of a testament to Glory rather than Willow. If Jasmine was at her peak with her planetary mind control Willow would be no match. Here in Cordelia’s body Jasmine was at her weakest by far.
Jasmine in her true form would most likely destroy Willow. She is much more powerful. Don't get me wrong Willow is powerful but even D'Hoffryn can go things she can't.
Words cannot express how much I hated Connor. Angel having a child was fine but aging him the way they did into who they did and with that AWFUL storyline with the painfully butchered and assassinated Cordy (which will never be forgivable) was 100% terrible from every angle. The only good episodes in S4 is the Angelus arc, purely because Angelus is ALWAYS fun and the cameos of Faith and Willow were genuinely great. You could tell the difference in the actors giving more too...like "oh, OK, finally good writing"
Connor was stolen and raised in a hell dimension where time moves faster which is why he was angry all the time. He was so feared he was known as the destroyer. The only time he found peace was when Angel recreated his memories although he did get his old ones back though.
Mon plus bel et intense duel de magie toutes séries fantastiques confondues. Il est vraiment intéressant de voir comment Willow Rosenberg et Cordelia Chase, deux des personnages féminins du Buffyverse, au départ demoiselles en détresse, tout ce qu’il y’a de plus normal, sont devenus les plus puissantes femmes de cet univers en étant respectivement sorcière et déesse. Winifred (Fred) Burkle, suivra également cette évolution en devenant le démon Illyria. Girls Power!❤✊🏿
@@calsh14 you clearly don't remember the end of season 3 where they left off on less than amicable terms after the multi episode arc of she and Xander cheating on their significant others with each other as she and xander almost did the deed as Cordy and Oz were coming to rescue them from spike
@@ChestHighWalls Cordy was already a demon before getting pregnant with Jasmine and she came back different from Heaven or whatever it was. The human Cordy never would have dated Conner much less had a kid with him. Cordy was already evil by then.
The entire Jasmine plot line along with Connor is some of the worst garbage writing I've had to sit through. Really don't know what they were thinking, but at least they redeemed themselves with the final season although I hate how they treated Charisma Carpenter.
After Season 3 they treated Charisma/Cordi pretty bad and changed her totally she was so much fun for 3 Seasons then she acted out out of character only in the last few Episodes when they killed her off for good she acted again like the old fun cordiela. It was Joss Whedon who had a problem with her for unknown reasons...but its not proffesional of him.
Wrong title. It should be "Willow vs Jasmine possessing Cordelia which was a terrible storyline that completely took the agency from one of my favorite buffyverse characters". Yup, I am extremely salty about this, and even more so when I learned it wasn't even done for plot reasons but to get back at Charisma for getting pregnant. I'll just mention that I did like alot of the ideas of season 4, Jasmine was an excellent villain IMO, and Angelus and Faith's return were also extremely fun to watch. Oh and Connor getting the s*** beat out of him by Faith.
Cordelia was going to turn evil one way or another, if that makes you feel better. She was suppose to be that seasons main villain like Willow was on Buffy but the pregnancy severely limited that plan. Evil Cordy was going to be like Illyria but it never came to be.
We all know Willow was holding back her dark side. If she truly went dark here, they wouldnt have stand a chance. Ppl underestimate how powerful Willow was at this point.
K admittedly Jazmine was not close to full power, but I’d argue that even Willow was far from her true power here. This was before she learned how to perform white light spells that were like a galaxy ahead of her dark rituals that already came close to burning the earth to ash. Also, she was mildly annoyed and determined and already pushing back with enough force to cause the whole building to shake. If she were gassed up like after watching Tara die and then consuming that drug shaman guy I think even Jazmine would be taking a dramatic gulp and be like 😳
I actually feel that Willow was more powerful here than when she went apeshit. Darth Rosenburg was all rage, pain and borrowed magic. No kind of focus. Here she is using the knowledge taught to her by the coven from England. Keeping her composure while dealing with the unknown.
@@Lord_Bibulous I definitely agree on the knowledge and composure and I totally forgot about the stint with the English coven. Thanks! My fave Willow power feat is still her final spell in the Buffy series. Seeing her ascend to white light was such a joyful way to close her arc. 💖 I tried to give the season 8 comic a shot, but seeing Willow actually struggle against Amy after then going on to have private magic instruction with the serpent goddess lover entity was so confounding. I can't remember how they juiced Amy up so much, but I was like "nope." Amy should not even be on the radar of adversaries at this point. 😂
If u think about it despite jasmine not being at full power she still has all the eons of knowledge and experience skill more than willow being an elder god.
@@Lord_Bibulous But she held back since loosing control she was afraid of the power she had and that she couldn't control it, she had the potential but she didn't release that until the end of buffy
@@davlin7685 But in saying that Jasmine here is by far at her weakest, yet only lost because of circumstance (Connor distracting her). As far as the live canon goes Willow (not even Dark Willow) would be a match for Jasmine’s thrall as she is still human and has no feats against Jasmine’s insane mind control.
@@lucadeeley8377 yeah because in one he didnt know who he was. Complete character wipe. The other one he just wanted to help. But his voice will forever be stained for me
@@tacticwave3856 ya I was gonna say...Connor always sucked. He basically ruined the show. I'm sorry to anyone who liked him (if anyone who did exists), but I thought he was godawful.
Because she was recovering from the dark magic she did in season 6, and her coven retreat with Giles in season 7. Buffy described her as a “Wicca who won’t-a” so Willow was simply hesitant to escalate her magical powers in fear of going dark again.
@@zachbraxton1997 not in a million Years, she was just a brat calling out for attention, Buffy was childish un the begining just because she was starting her process.
This show had a lot of high points, and even season 4 had some great moments. But everyone with Cordy this season was just character murder, and the whole deus ex kind of mess Jasmine came in on. It was just a mess. It's really a crime. Season 4 is why Buffy remains the better series.
Never underestimate the power of a kind and gentle witch who made a god scream in pain
Osiris Egyptian god as a practicing which and a person who studied mythology like his entire life and who love that show that would have terrified me as a witch if I was in the room with her I mean to harness that kind of power I question where does she get it from who are her past ancestors you know?
@Paulo Eusebio She made the right choice because she’s more powerful as a witch rather than a vengeance demon. Willows power grows stronger in the comics than even an old one which is a very powerful demon. She even attracts the likes of elemental goddesses and chooses a demon-witch spirit to be her guide.
@@august1170 where might I find this comic 👀
@@StormTheeOmegain a website called read comic online
With the powers of the other gods she merely invoked.
The way she's the most powerful Supernatural witch that world ever had and the most underrated it's crazy
I honestly always thought Tara was stronger but wouldn't use her powers alot, if you go back and look every spell she did was effortless.
In the Buffyverse Yes but there are way more Powerful Witches in Charmed,Legacies and The Originals.
In the comics season 8, she's the strongest character. I believe she single handily held back an old one by herself. Her power increase was crazy.
@@MakuraZalis we need an spin-off of Willow having his own show and storyline bloodline kids
@@45vixxen because her dad makes her that way, he did things that she can't handle his powers full
I just loved how softly Lorne talked to Faith. He's truly a sweetheart.
He’s one of my top favorite fiction characters
This is a Willow Rosenberg appreciation comment. Carry on.
This is payback for that "Good to know you've seen the softer side of Sears" crack in Buffy, episode 1. 🤣
Best line of the show!
Love that Willow won. Wish she could have figured out it was Cordy & went an additional round!
Love Faith vs Connor!
Love Willow but she lucked out. Still a bad b
Alfred Lopez she still pretty much went toe to toe with a godlike ex power that be
y0un355 no disagreement there, trust me. Love Willow. She went against a Higher Power. You go, gurl
Not disagreeing
The ex Higher Power was at her weakest though, she even said “if only this was a few weeks later.” This is actually a testament to Jasmine’s power because Willow isn’t no pushover.
Clearly she dont know about Dark Willow
No she definitely didn't
I meant she definitely don't
she is actualy concerned and afraid of her
Dark Willow curb stomped Buffy. Buffy narrowly defeated Faith. Faith would later curb stomp Connor. By the transitive property, it is quite clear that Dark Willow would squash Connor like a bug. Not even a particularly agile or hard to kill bug, such as a mosquito. Like an ant or a slow moving cockroach.
@Geeky Ninja I believe Willow’s words when Cordelia/Jasmin ask how she’s been, was “old and medieval”. I don’t think Willow explicitly gave enough details of what she did as Dark Willow.
I remember watching the I bit my tongue moment for the first time. I laughed so hard..
That shit was funny tho 😂
I love it, because it also somewhat sounds like she says “I bid my tongue”, as in the past tense of the verb “bide”, meaning to remain or store, but also the verb “bid” as well, meaning to command or request (a famous example of which being the line “bid my blood to run” in the song “Bring Me to Life” by Evanescence).
Just another reason why I love the cleaver writing in the shows Angel and Buffy, because of how witty and how many meanings there can be even in such small scenes of dialogue.
Ok
@@aspiringwayfarer ok
@@aspiringwayfarer ok
If only they knew about Dark Willow and I love how Angel’s seasons intersect with Buffy’s seasons.
Was this intersect during sesson 7 of buffy
Dylan Corcoran Yes.
Season 4 of Buffy connected to season 1 of Angel
Season 5 of Buffy connected to season 2 of Angel
Season 6 of Buffy connected to season 3 of Angel
Season 7 of Buffy connected to season 4 of Angel
And then season 5 of Angel happened which eventually led to Season 6 and the eventual connection to season 8 of Buffy (comics)
@@lucasgray1492 no interlocking storylines though really
Dylan Corcoran well I mean in Season 1 of Angel Faith comes to kill him and Buffy arrives after the events of having her body snatched by Faith to kill Faith and take her down. Or what about when Willow comes for Season 4 of Angel to help save Angel and to Retrieve Faith. Or in Season 5 of Angel Episode 11 known as Damage where a potential slayer who has been activated goes on a rampage to hunt down the man that tortured her for years and Andrew comes there revealing that Buffy is tracking down those who activated and recruiting and training them.
@@lucasgray1492 spike in angel was good
I loved the part where Cordelia's eyes turn white when she conjured an illusion while Willow's turn black when she got angry.
In the comics willow could use normal and dark magic without being corrupted by it
There should have been a bigger final showdown between them, what a missed opportunity
@@zachbraxton1997 I agree. I would have love to see this…
If I recall. When willow went over the edge her eyes turned white when she made every potential slayer a slayer. So loon how strong she is while not tapping into all of her strength and how other gods tremble. Now imagine them going up against full willow? They would probably run as fast as the could
Nah it depended. her eyes turned black when she went over the edge uncontrollably. As we saw in Dark Willow. Her essence was was white when she awakened the Potentials because she was using the power of the slayer to tap into light magic to do that. As we saw with White Willow. But when she’s White Willow she’s in control. It’s only when she was Dark Willow she was over the edge
I LOVE Wesley's way with Willow!!
First, he's worried about her when she gets thrown across the room.
Then, he has no doubt that Willow can "hold her own"
And lastly, Wesley looks impressed by Willow saying "ignore it" to the demon head thing.
It's funny because they're married in real life❤❤ since 2003
@@nikak4927 I know. I really like the Willow/Wesley friendship!!
"You wanna go Glenda, we'll GO!"
Glinda. As in the Good Witch of the North.
Yes and willow beat Cordy as she should
Unleash astrarath
*Building starts shaking*
Cordelia turned evil because Jasmine was controlling her making her do terrible things and she was the Beast Master also because of Jasmine controlling her and she taken over Cordy body to .
What I love here is that team angel, specifically Gunn, Connor, lorne and Fred, only heard stories about team scooby. For them to see Willow show her power, it's like yup, that's why scoobies are team A and team angel is team B.
😅
Seriously lol
the only people in the scoobies who deserve the title of team A are buffy, willow, and spike if you count him as part of the group. The rest barely do anything meanwhile team angel all have fighters, brains, and magics who contribue to the team so they are more than just team B.
@@erica-cq7ns Buffy can beat Angel. Willow’s magic is greater than all of Team Angel combined. Giles expertise is greater than Wesley’s. Xander has more combat prowess than Fred. Spike can beat Gunn. Sorry babe Buffy is Team A.
@@galactichand551 you can’t convince me that xander is useful i’m sorry. and wesley doesn’t just have expertise he can also fight. same with fred, she not only fights but is incredibly smart.
“.....I’ve bit mah thounge” Lmao 😂
I think the "Oh sh-..." is a Buffy running gag as it has been shown to defeat other villains as well.
My favorite use of it was when Willow and Tara teleported Glory out of the hospital. She materializes a mile above the city, looks around, uses the line, and plummets in a fireball to the ground. I had never laughed so hard in my life until I saw that!
Yes!
This and "What the f....".
Buffy says it in 'Serial Life' and Faith in 'Release'.
I'm sure there is a third instance but I can't remember right now.
Omg I remember that on TV i watched and she was up in the air and she goes.....oh SHHHHH......Then falls down that's when I start to record more buffy episodes here and there!!!!! Same with charmed now having seasons on dvd again!!!! It's worth it shows aren't that good and fun anymore
Too bad willow didnt figure out cordy was possessed
Chris Peplinski she should’ve been able to figure it out
Nah, she wouldn't. Out of the witches and warlocks in BtVS, Tara is the only one who can identify aura. She even figured it ut Faith body-snatched Buffy just by reading the body's aura then.
@@austinpearce5442 cordelia had plot armor
Only Tara had that unique power. She could read people's Auras and sense if they're lying or if they're possessed.
@@urilaf8598 lol good one
Willow would’ve spanked Connor.
I would LOVE to spank Connors bare ass mmm
@@aldendomino3523 ..
Aiden Domino What the hell
@@aldendomino3523 What the actual fuck
@@aldendomino3523 how old was Conner...I’m wondering if I should call the police.
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Angel is one of the few shows where the son off lives up to the original series
This episode really doesnt play up how amazing this face off is. When we first met Willow and Cordi they were both kids in school just making their way through the drudgery of it all...and now here they are...one a demi-goddess witch of apocalyptic power and the other a clairvoyant medium to a higher power also carrying the...(lets say 4th magical pregnancy at this point) remains of a fallen demi-goddess from a time long since past...long way from the school yard kids!
I’ll never forget this moment of Angel + Willow is my favourite character from Buffy the Vampire slayer
Willow showing cordy whos boss 😂😂😂😂
More like the other way around, Willow couldn't even tell it was coming from the room upstairs. Cordy knew immediately what that Willow was there before she saw her arrive.
@@zachbraxton1997 and yet she still couldn't stop willow from releasing and restoring angels soul lol
@@NeloBladeOfRanni that's Connors fault
Damn...that season was good af.
This episode yes. Season, not at all.
@@qwahaxahn right??season 4 was terrible compared to the other seasons. don’t even get me started on the connor and cordelia storyline 🥴
Season 4 is not as bad as people say it is
Mm I do not agree. Season 4 is the only one in Angel with a complete narrative arch. Maybe you dislike it but the story is coherent 😅
@@Francesconcjsja Thank you ! Thats what I like about this season. I also like the whole world peace thing with Jasmine, very clever. And how her name took away her powers. There s actually this theory that says that God has a name and that if you ever knew it, it would give you power over him and you could summon him anytime. Jasmine being one of the powers that be, that whole name thing was clever too.
This whole scene is too good.
one of the coolest Willow scenes and it is in Angel :P
Yes
Cordelia’s evil voice is hilarious 😂
I love that at the same time, in the Buffy show, willow was afraid of using any kind of spell.
On Buffy: oh no buffy if I use magic I might go overboard
On Angel: giant demon head bringing me into a magic battle while I simultaneously use another magic to send a marble like a homing missile? Not even gonna redo my black roots for this
The fact that Jasmine didnt plan for Willow. Like, her whole plan involved Buffy, and probably some other nefarious B.S.
However, Faith and Willow were the curveballs that saved Team Angel from the worst parts of what Jasmine planned
"Few weeks later' oh Cordelia 😅😂🤭... All the powers of heaven and hell couldn't stop Willow ❤️
As someone who has never watched Angel, but all of Buffy, I am VERY confused 😀👍
Watch it! It’s super good, especially in s2-3!
Season 4 was the weakest one. Still seen 1-5 like billion times 😎🖐️ it's a bummer we never got the comic book continuity on these shows. LA falling to Hell, Slayer organisation, Seed of Wonder, Twilight etc. Theres tons of content right there. Fucking WB
You guys should see it. Just *do not* expect more of the same things, which is a reason many end up skipping one of the best spin offs ever made.
@@qwahaxahn I agree. Angel is less flashy and fishy and young adult than Angel. Angel is more mid-late 20’s through 30’s in tone and in some ways a little darker in terms of people’s natures while Buffy was more coming of age and light.
@@Perunakeitto92 but there are comics following the tv buffyverse. They're all in read comics - the majority at least - if u wanna read them
3:02 I don't know how if she's right about this or not/if Jasmine would have been able to take Willow (she is a higher power, but then Willow managed to make a god scream in pain, and that was before she got a power up in season 6), but either way it's so satisfying that throughout all of season 4 Willow was the only one who managed to make Cordelia/Jasmine sweat.
This was after dark willow and before "white" willow she was holding back during this time for fear of loosing control again. I think jasmine could of beaten this willow but full power willow after season 7 buffy would be a different story
Technically two gods no? Her scream before the Dark Willow power up when trying to bring tara back made Osiris or whatever entity governs that scream.
Jasmine would easily take Dark Willow at her most powerful because of her thrall. Jasmine would turn her into a mindless follower and could just consume her. Dark Willow is still human and has no feats against Jasmine’s thrall who not only could do planetary mind control but also mind control an entire dimension of demons.
Cordy was holding back massively, she could have turned Willow back into being dark if she wanted to.
@@TheJayden3977willow is high multiversal scaling in the comics.. jasmine universal
Why would jasmine think an illusion would work against willow of all peeps
Willow has a history of being underestimated
Cause she didn't know her?
@@lmatt88 because killing the slayers best friend is a bad idea
@@zachbraxton1997 Yeah I don't think that level of power cares a lot about the slayer. Illyria and Glory saw them as meaningless.
@@lmatt88 that is true
I LOVED BTVS… but crossovers with Angel really allowed some of the supporting characters to shine.. being on Buffy, she had to be the strongest because it was her show she was the hero.. so, Faith never really go to win any big battles, Angels skills were tempered, and even Willow when she got too powerful they always knocked her out.. on Angel , his character is already established as not as strong as a slayer so Faith had some of her biggest and hardest battles on this show and Willow was able to have this big bad ass throw down. All of this without overshadowing the main character cuz the premise of his show was more of team.. as opposed to Buffy’s which was she was the leader and they were support.
One of the two best moments in this season - Willow and Faith beating up Connor
He's insufferable.
One thing that I never understood was how did Willow not feel Jasmine's power when she went to visit "Cordelia", like I know she said if only it was a few weeks later. But surely she still would have felt a presence. Willow even stated herself in Buffy when she took the magic out of Giles that she could feel all life on earth. I know as well that it has to continue throughout the show but surely she would have felt something
I dont think she still had that borrowed witch power from Giles she gave it back when she went to England with him...she still has her "Dark Willow" magic she drained from the books.
Maybe being inside a human body helped hide it.
She has all the power she took the coven just showed her how to control it. Willow is the strongest witch in the buffy universe they even called her a goddess at one point. She can go dark again she had to learn to keep her emotions in check.
Good question.
Man how i ❤❤❤ this please bring these episode back please.
Considering Joss Whedon has been outed for mistreatment of cast, like how Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) was written off the show the way she was, and Sarah Michelle Gellar (Buffy) also confirmed the toxic environment … it would be nearly impossible or at least very difficult to bring this show back.
I love cor but we all have to admit it willow is the better witch.
Even without Jasmine in Cordy’s body getting distracted I think she still would’ve lost to Willow
the fact that she smashed a vase over his head just because he pissed her off by distraction her, Beast Master possessed Cordy was so petty 😂
Jasmine should feel very lucky that Tara was dead by this time.
Tara would have come with Willow to LA and would have stopped Cordy while Willow was doing this
@@WilandTarafan all because buffy didn't kill that pubk the moment he lost his gem
@@KentPetersonmoney I always hated that about Buffy and then getting all judgemental and superior on Willow for taking revenge
Tara was weak
@@zachbraxton1997 Tara can tell if people's auras align or are authentic. Which will blow Jasmine's cover.
Lucky Willow didn't go FULL dark, that whole plane of existence may have gotten destroyed
"Smash or crash": the synopsis of pretty much all my romantic relationships...
Remember when Cordelia came up to Willow and said "It's Good You've Seen The Softer Side Of Sears" ?..............
This show was amazing
Charisma looks gorgeous!
Charisma, Alex, and the actor that plays Willow look great!
What??? You don't know Alyson Hannigan's name??
@@shamsqasr6173 nope
This should of ended with Willow winning because now I remember how much I hate Connor. Lmao
Jasmine really thought she had a shot. Like come on! Willow fought off a Hell God and her temptation to dark magic. Jasmine had no chance.
Don't force.
Especially not with those cheap parlor tricks
Willow got destroyed by Glory in that fight. She didn’t fight her off at all. Willow went all crazy and attacked her, caused her a few seconds of pain then got her ass handed to her without Glory even trying. That fight is more of a testament to Glory rather than Willow. If Jasmine was at her peak with her planetary mind control Willow would be no match. Here in Cordelia’s body Jasmine was at her weakest by far.
Jasmine in her true form would most likely destroy Willow. She is much more powerful. Don't get me wrong Willow is powerful but even D'Hoffryn can go things she can't.
@@TheJayden3977 bye sis willow is planetary did u not remember her destroying the world plz- in the comics willow is multiversal i-
Cordelia had one of the best character developments of any tv show and to piss on it. Im still not over it
The passion of the nerd
Words cannot express how much I hated Connor. Angel having a child was fine but aging him the way they did into who they did and with that AWFUL storyline with the painfully butchered and assassinated Cordy (which will never be forgivable) was 100% terrible from every angle. The only good episodes in S4 is the Angelus arc, purely because Angelus is ALWAYS fun and the cameos of Faith and Willow were genuinely great. You could tell the difference in the actors giving more too...like "oh, OK, finally good writing"
Connor was stolen and raised in a hell dimension where time moves faster which is why he was angry all the time. He was so feared he was known as the destroyer. The only time he found peace was when Angel recreated his memories although he did get his old ones back though.
2:33 when they try illusion magic but you’re much higher level
My fav season of angel
Mon plus bel et intense duel de magie toutes séries fantastiques confondues. Il est vraiment intéressant de voir comment Willow Rosenberg et Cordelia Chase, deux des personnages féminins du Buffyverse, au départ demoiselles en détresse, tout ce qu’il y’a de plus normal, sont devenus les plus puissantes femmes de cet univers en étant respectivement sorcière et déesse. Winifred (Fred) Burkle, suivra également cette évolution en devenant le démon Illyria. Girls Power!❤✊🏿
Could you upload Kendra death please ? Btw I'm so glad to see there are still channels who make videos about Buffy and Angel
Also how about Bianca Lawson playing teenagers for over twenty years lol gorgeous woman who apparently doesn't age
Imagine dark willow holy crap cordelia would’ve lost in a second
If both girls were still pre-powers Cordy would smack Willow to the floor
Willow made a god scream in pain and then, she was almost a goddess, waking up all the slayers in the world. She has too much power for Cordy.
Still sad Willow and Cordy didnt have an ACTUAL reunion :/
They hate each other
@@zachbraxton1997 they didn't.
@@calsh14 yes they do
@@zachbraxton1997 you clearly haven't watched ANY of Buffy or Angel.
@@calsh14 you clearly don't remember the end of season 3 where they left off on less than amicable terms after the multi episode arc of she and Xander cheating on their significant others with each other as she and xander almost did the deed as Cordy and Oz were coming to rescue them from spike
It wasnt cordelia !
Of course willow one
It was !
@@zachbraxton1997 It was Jasmine in this scene.
@@ChestHighWalls Cordy was already a demon before getting pregnant with Jasmine and she came back different from Heaven or whatever it was. The human Cordy never would have dated Conner much less had a kid with him. Cordy was already evil by then.
Willow striking that Frieza pose
Willow would toss Cordelia around even on her worst day
Cody would win in an old fashioned schoolgirl slap fight
Who knew that they would be married!!❤
I need to watch this series
The funny part is that they made cordie a believable actress, she tried so hard to get those commercial gigs
The entire Jasmine plot line along with Connor is some of the worst garbage writing I've had to sit through. Really don't know what they were thinking, but at least they redeemed themselves with the final season although I hate how they treated Charisma Carpenter.
After Season 3 they treated Charisma/Cordi pretty bad and changed her totally she was so much fun for 3 Seasons then she acted out out of character only in the last few Episodes when they killed her off for good she acted again like the old fun cordiela. It was Joss Whedon who had a problem with her for unknown reasons...but its not proffesional of him.
Wrong title. It should be "Willow vs Jasmine possessing Cordelia which was a terrible storyline that completely took the agency from one of my favorite buffyverse characters".
Yup, I am extremely salty about this, and even more so when I learned it wasn't even done for plot reasons but to get back at Charisma for getting pregnant. I'll just mention that I did like alot of the ideas of season 4, Jasmine was an excellent villain IMO, and Angelus and Faith's return were also extremely fun to watch. Oh and Connor getting the s*** beat out of him by Faith.
Cordelia was going to turn evil one way or another, if that makes you feel better. She was suppose to be that seasons main villain like Willow was on Buffy but the pregnancy severely limited that plan. Evil Cordy was going to be like Illyria but it never came to be.
We all know Willow was holding back her dark side. If she truly went dark here, they wouldnt have stand a chance. Ppl underestimate how powerful Willow was at this point.
Willow is practically a nexus being
Nice MCU reference 👍
Conner was such a dope fir fling for evil cordy
Willow in Sunnydale: I can't do magick or I'll turn evil!
Willow in LA; Hold my Ether
The hell mouth and the first were in Sunnydale, so yeah. She was safer with her powers in LA
K admittedly Jazmine was not close to full power, but I’d argue that even Willow was far from her true power here. This was before she learned how to perform white light spells that were like a galaxy ahead of her dark rituals that already came close to burning the earth to ash. Also, she was mildly annoyed and determined and already pushing back with enough force to cause the whole building to shake. If she were gassed up like after watching Tara die and then consuming that drug shaman guy I think even Jazmine would be taking a dramatic gulp and be like 😳
I actually feel that Willow was more powerful here than when she went apeshit. Darth Rosenburg was all rage, pain and borrowed magic. No kind of focus. Here she is using the knowledge taught to her by the coven from England. Keeping her composure while dealing with the unknown.
@@Lord_Bibulous I definitely agree on the knowledge and composure and I totally forgot about the stint with the English coven. Thanks! My fave Willow power feat is still her final spell in the Buffy series. Seeing her ascend to white light was such a joyful way to close her arc. 💖 I tried to give the season 8 comic a shot, but seeing Willow actually struggle against Amy after then going on to have private magic instruction with the serpent goddess lover entity was so confounding. I can't remember how they juiced Amy up so much, but I was like "nope." Amy should not even be on the radar of adversaries at this point. 😂
If u think about it despite jasmine not being at full power she still has all the eons of knowledge and experience skill more than willow being an elder god.
@@Lord_Bibulous But she held back since loosing control she was afraid of the power she had and that she couldn't control it, she had the potential but she didn't release that until the end of buffy
@@davlin7685
But in saying that Jasmine here is by far at her weakest, yet only lost because of circumstance (Connor distracting her). As far as the live canon goes Willow (not even Dark Willow) would be a match for Jasmine’s thrall as she is still human and has no feats against Jasmine’s insane mind control.
I've...bit my tounge 😂😂
Will ain't slick checking out Fred
Love your channel! Can you post faith vs the beast and faith vs spike and the vampire from S7?
Connor was so stupid in this season! 🙄
Travis Bennett Connor is just the worst.
This season.....and last season......and the seaso. After this season...
Tactic Wave nah. Connor was actually pretty cool in the two episodes he was in of season 5.
@@lucadeeley8377 yeah because in one he didnt know who he was. Complete character wipe. The other one he just wanted to help. But his voice will forever be stained for me
@@tacticwave3856 ya I was gonna say...Connor always sucked. He basically ruined the show. I'm sorry to anyone who liked him (if anyone who did exists), but I thought he was godawful.
Yo…..I forgot how she got that baby! Lmao this show was crazier than Buffy lmO
Yeah..that was kinda gross
What’s funny is that willow was holding back, she has been scared to go all out since going dark. I prefer dark willow anyways.
You wanna GO Glinda?!😂😂
Now why didn’t Willow do all that against the first/bringers in season 7… why was she benched all season long
Because she was recovering from the dark magic she did in season 6, and her coven retreat with Giles in season 7. Buffy described her as a “Wicca who won’t-a” so Willow was simply hesitant to escalate her magical powers in fear of going dark again.
Faith is like a dark haired Buffy.
Faith is cooler than Buffy
@@zachbraxton1997 not in a million Years, she was just a brat calling out for attention, Buffy was childish un the begining just because she was starting her process.
@@giovannyandrescortesrodrig2846 I don't mean cool as in which one was more successful, I mean cool as in which one I would rather go to a party with.
When you realize Connor is Pete Campbell.
What season of Buffy is this? I watched the entire series once almost 12 years ago.
This is from Angel, Season 4. The episode is titled Orpheus.
let s be hoonest :p cordelia had a very big luck to not fight dark willow :p
It wasn't the first time Willow fought one of her friends.
Fred and willow are cute together.
What episode was this?
This show had a lot of high points, and even season 4 had some great moments. But everyone with Cordy this season was just character murder, and the whole deus ex kind of mess Jasmine came in on. It was just a mess. It's really a crime.
Season 4 is why Buffy remains the better series.
To be honest that wasn't enough cordy anymore she was dead. This was Jasmine
Was this before or after Willow's dark phase?
Can you upload the video where Cordelia finds out from Willow that Harmony is a vampire (and subsequently Willow is a lesbian)?
Willow’s spells 1:07 1:44 2:37
How has your day been. Alish astreth!!!!!!
WOW Cordelia was a witch also? I lost many facts of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'm going to see again this tvshow
No not really she is possessed by a eldritch goddess with ancient knowledge and experience in magic and almost everything.
@@camgeorge6222 nah it was her just being a b*tch
It would be cool if xsnder crossed over to la but he was needed with buffy
Do you want to go Glenda that shit was funny
Can you post Buffy versus the knights of Byzantium please ☺️🙏
Willow rules lol
Seeing all these Willow beat cordie but that was never Cordelia that was always jasmine
That was never fully confirmed, Cordy hints that it was her but she was seduced by the power and her mothering instincts.
Do you know how to make scenes and put it on UA-cam
Qual temporada é essa ?
4 temporada
God, Connor was the worst.
Did cordelia become a witch too?