So confused why you shouldn't use your item advantage in game 2 to take dragon while attention is top, instead of going top, hoping that you can do something in the fight by the time you get there.
When deciding whether to trade objectives, it’s crucial to assess the current state of the game and leverage any leads effectively. Trading objectives can be acceptable when you are even or behind, or if you cannot realistically make it to the fight in time. However, in a scenario where your team is ahead-especially if someone like Graves is significantly stronger than anyone else on the map-trading objectives is often not the optimal choice. For example, if Graves is ahead and capable of winning fights even in a 2v3 scenario, it’s better to prioritise maintaining or extending that lead. Sacrificing an important advantage, such as top lane tower plates and denying waves from your top laner (e.g., Gnar), for an early dragon is not worth it. In this situation, the dragon’s stats are nice but won’t prevent the enemy team from snowballing off the gold and map pressure they gain from such a trade. At eight minutes into the game and without a soul point at stake, the dragon’s strategic value is limited. Early stacking is only impactful if you can secure the soul around the 24-25 minute mark. Otherwise, focusing on plays that help snowball your team’s lead or prevent the enemy from snowballing is generally a better option. In scenarios where your team has an item advantage, the goal should be to force favourable fights. Objectives like dragons or heralds can be valuable because they force the enemy team to decide: contest while weaker or give up the objective. Many players in solo queue make the mistake of contesting objectives even when it’s a poor decision, creating opportunities for your team to capitalise on their overextension. If taking the fight would compromise your lead or trade away significant map pressure, it’s better to let the objective go and focus on making a stronger play elsewhere. After all, he didn't lose the objective while he also prevented his top laner from falling behind while he forced Viego to make a desperate play on the map.Again, if Graves decided to stay top because, let's say, Void Grubs or Herald was up and let Viego do his thing, arguably that's worse for Graves's team even though they got an objective while they gave up a shutdown and two kills to the enemy team. If Graves doesn't rotate bot and kill Viego, he could have farmed a whole bot wave and even gotten a plate for free. But we don't want that to happen; that's why he went bot, and I think that was the right play in both scenarios. By the way, Detdert is a challenger Graves main on EUW, a cool guy, and I am not saying he is always right just because he is a challenger, but in these two scenarios, arguably, he made the right choice.
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So confused why you shouldn't use your item advantage in game 2 to take dragon while attention is top, instead of going top, hoping that you can do something in the fight by the time you get there.
When deciding whether to trade objectives, it’s crucial to assess the current state of the game and leverage any leads effectively. Trading objectives can be acceptable when you are even or behind, or if you cannot realistically make it to the fight in time. However, in a scenario where your team is ahead-especially if someone like Graves is significantly stronger than anyone else on the map-trading objectives is often not the optimal choice.
For example, if Graves is ahead and capable of winning fights even in a 2v3 scenario, it’s better to prioritise maintaining or extending that lead. Sacrificing an important advantage, such as top lane tower plates and denying waves from your top laner (e.g., Gnar), for an early dragon is not worth it. In this situation, the dragon’s stats are nice but won’t prevent the enemy team from snowballing off the gold and map pressure they gain from such a trade.
At eight minutes into the game and without a soul point at stake, the dragon’s strategic value is limited. Early stacking is only impactful if you can secure the soul around the 24-25 minute mark. Otherwise, focusing on plays that help snowball your team’s lead or prevent the enemy from snowballing is generally a better option.
In scenarios where your team has an item advantage, the goal should be to force favourable fights. Objectives like dragons or heralds can be valuable because they force the enemy team to decide: contest while weaker or give up the objective. Many players in solo queue make the mistake of contesting objectives even when it’s a poor decision, creating opportunities for your team to capitalise on their overextension. If taking the fight would compromise your lead or trade away significant map pressure, it’s better to let the objective go and focus on making a stronger play elsewhere.
After all, he didn't lose the objective while he also prevented his top laner from falling behind while he forced Viego to make a desperate play on the map.Again, if Graves decided to stay top because, let's say, Void Grubs or Herald was up and let Viego do his thing, arguably that's worse for Graves's team even though they got an objective while they gave up a shutdown and two kills to the enemy team. If Graves doesn't rotate bot and kill Viego, he could have farmed a whole bot wave and even gotten a plate for free. But we don't want that to happen; that's why he went bot, and I think that was the right play in both scenarios. By the way, Detdert is a challenger Graves main on EUW, a cool guy, and I am not saying he is always right just because he is a challenger, but in these two scenarios, arguably, he made the right choice.