I didn't make this clear, SORRY SORRY! Towers are good to take for the GOLD they give. If you can take one for free, then yes, take the tower and get fed lol. Just stop randomly grouping/dying/griefing tempo for them. They're not strategical, they just give you lots of gold. Especially if you take them when you're alone and you get all the local gold Rank Up Fast At ➡www.skill-capped.com/lol#14minutes
@@YourTuber-n6whe means it's better to be afk than take towers, because it's not like you take towers, then inhi & then two towers & nexus, you win the game by getting dragons & farming 🤡
I think the reason people are so fixated on towers (myself included) is the number of times I've seen the game be won just because someone pushes a side lane all game and never got stopped from ending the game
@@RapCitySongs It's good to go for it, alone, to farm and get gold and exp and also put pressure on the map. It's bad to go crazy and trying to get that as if it was an urgent objective you NEED to get on the map ASAP and trade your life (time) for it when it could go to a better activity
@@falcong6697 I think even before the durability update towers still didnt matter. You could always just dive someone and juggle the agro of the tower.
11th minute inhib is actually better for your team because whoever ur carry is can farm all the super minions and get mega further ahead in xp and gold.
A good trundle wouldn't take the inhib at 11. He would be spam pinging that he's going bot to start on those towers. The xp given to teams with an early inhib taken stalls the game. He would only her inhib if he plans on touching those nexus towers in the next min or so. But like I said "a good trundle" I don't know what gold players are up to these days
@@herecomeskuma3107 you're right, the problem in low elo is that they lose the inhib at 11 mins and at ffing 4 mins later without realizing that they're already ahead in gold and their inhib is back.
@@SavagePrisonerSPeh no it's not better for your team at all. Yes it gives your carry free xp and farm but it will never be good that someone has to stay in base to defend so early. The side laner will just eventually end the game causr he's clearly gapping his lane enemy
@@zeyadmo660 Offloading accountability to your teammates is counterproductive and does nothing for you. Even if that was the play that ended the game, you made a thousand mistakes before it ended. Look for those instead of worrying about how to mind control strangers.
@@RocoPwnage challenger offloading accountabillity then? lmfao There you were forced to misplay because the correct choice was simply not possible due to teamgap. The game is a teamgame, you win and loose as a team, even when you re nemesis or whoever is the best EUW player. Focusing on the rights or wrong you did and how they impacted the game is healthy, and best you can do in hindsight but do not replace you with a 1v9 demon that hardcarries inting teammates.
Wow finally a commentary that explains things in a low elo perspective! U cnt expect to play the right way in low elo bcoz players in low elo thinks in 2 dimensional way only (push or kill) whereas higher elos thinks in multiple dimensions. Hence they are called HIGH ELO..
I really think we need a follow up video on this. This created so many questions that need to be answered. When IS taking towers good? What was the main point of this video? Like - dont feak out over towers but focus on what instead?
It's because the primary purpose of the video is for you to sign up for skill capped. An advertisement video. They probably go more in depth on this topic there. Just to throw my two cents in, I'd say after plating falls, you can all but ignore towers until you've won a team fight, or you're split pushing, putting pressure on two points on the map. Winning team fight and taking a tower or two quickly is ideal if other objectives aren't up.
I think we are suck on Macro because it depends on the team mates to listen, and play together! Eg: Your a top laner splitpusher and your team iniciate a fight 4x5 before you get some pressior to tp in the fight! You need to be aling and the teammaters are just doing whatever they want to!
Macro is choosing what is best in every moment. After 1 or 2 kills my Vayne wanted to call for Baron but my Mid and support didn't listened so i check her items so calculate the time to kill the baron and decide if i go with Vayne or i tell her to go farm a Lane. In this case i calculated 30 seconds and with enemy jungler alive im not risking the steal. But later on we get the pick on enemy support and my Vayne calls for Baron while again nobody listened, i check his items again and i calculated 19 seconds eich is fast enough so i ping that im going and we secure Baron while support dies again on Mid. Also in last teamfight i could decide to go nuts on the enemy team but my Vayne had 3 items and decided to use my skills to protect her and win that way
Thank you so much, im not good at English but watching your videos are very satisfying. Your pronunciation is very easy to listen and you guys make the icon on screen make it very easy to understand. Also, is it possible to watch more defeat replays? Because I think learning in fails is a good way to improve ourself. Thank you again! You make me love to pickup a NG game again.
Yeah if you apply the idea of split pushing properly it's really good because you're not trading time or your life for tower, you're farming waves and applying pressure, you force a response. Grouping 4 mid to siege and force a fight over a tower is not getting resources and you're sacrificing minions in other waves and objectives to do it (unless you're giga ahead and just ending). Split pushing is very different from forcing towers
@@JMetal_enjoyeralso mid tier 2 is the most useless tower ever created, gives so much less gold and doesn’t give as much protection as any other tower in the game
Finally somebody mentions the tower thing! I've recently come back and am currently starting a climb from the very bottom on my 3 year neglected account. The amount people throwing themselves at towers for 30 seconds at a time has been insane! I get flamed for pinging them off most of the time and I couldn't figure out for ungodly reason lol. Great video boys, more like these!
Can I get guides on why I suck at the first 14 mins of the game? I consistently lose lane and still manage to have heavy impact on my team. For whatever reason, the stuff thats typically hard for players like macro strategy, understanding my role, and team fighting come much easier to me than the whole laning phase. I consistently lose lane but I still manage to have good KP, high damage, presence at objectives. I once went 0/6/0 in the first 15mins of a gold/plat game against Zed as syndra and ended the game as the player with the highest damage and >50% KP. I literally just can’t lane to save my life.
I hit GM this year and every time i play i think "would hector be mad if i did X" i went to drag and the mid wave was sitting uncontested not being farmed and i thought "yeah hed be mad here" 😅 then i split pushed as auto filled ADC and thought *chef kiss* i bet hed be proud 👏
All good points, but one thing to also consider: People never practice late game macro because they abuse the FF command. Everyone thinks they are playing in challenger, where a match is decided so early, and can't be won. Everyone in low elo thinks they know how to play and what the win/loss conditions are because they watched a stream or watched proplay. Bottom line: the surrender function in league and its abuse by the majority of players is why no one knows what to do in late game. They never get the practice
As someone that watches wayyy too much youtube i can tell you one of the biggest reasons everyones learned to lane so well but not mid/late macro is because nearly every guide out there just covers laning phase and just call the guide good there
This is good info for players that are beginners or intermediate however in high elo (High master, GM, Chall) you are actually trolling if you do not position your wave to help your team around the map. Obviously people still do stupid things but there are a lot more ways to interact with your jungler than most people think, hence why in high elo it is more important. For example, recalling before obj, invading enemy raptors or rotating to shallow jungle fights with proper wave setup is INCREDIBLY important in games where macro knowledge is somewhat even -- at a high level, and mechanics are solid as well.
Yeah in low elo people do not interact with their jungle predictably at all, so I do a lot of power farming when laners ignore my 1 min warning objective pings 😂
Honestly, climbing to gold by forcing trundle and only focusing on towers was the quickest climb I ever had on an alt. While it might be true in higher elo that towers dont do shit, in low elo people cant deal with a good split push and the corresponding lack of lane vision. They feel lost in the void of eternity created by Trundles bat crushing their worlds.
First of all, Diamond is not low elo. Second you missed the point of the video, completely! In low elo people make bad calls constantly. And then enough bad calls backfire you lose the game by default because you are to behind at that point. So it is better to give away one or two objective to save your gold lead. That's pretty much the point of the video. Gold lead > second dragon for enemy team. Tooday I had a game where where I played Mao sup and my ADC Jinx got a double kill and was backing. Our Graves pinged dragon and started it. I have 30% of my health bar, enemy bot is at this point walking back to lane and I have alot of gold on me. Our Jinx already back to. Horrible call. He also was strugling with it so he started pinging for me to help him take it, I just backed ignoring him. Then I was walking back to lane just typed: "Leave me alone with ur horrible calls" and muted him. He died to enemy Kha and he just leashed dragon for him. If I followed his call I would'v died, Jinx to, he was dead 100% also and we would'v just got first dragon. Because me and Jinx didint followed him: Jinx spend her gold and had full HP, I spend my gold and had full HP, enemy sup was baiting us while I was warding and we managed to 2v3 enemy and Jinx got a triple. That kind of calls loses games. That's why he is saying dont tunnel focus on drags/towers
@@TheEstafista First of all, no one said Diamond is low elo. Since you hallucinated that sentence, I won't care to read the rest of your comment, since it probably is full of non sense either. Make sure to respond more carefully next time!
@@TheEstafista i dont remember when they said this concept only aplies to low elo. If did, my bad. i completely understand your anectote. I am also aware of it being jg, but cannot understand when should i focus on towers to finish the game since the whole focus of the video is to stop focusing on towers and they are giving away all your advantage.
It's mainly when all lanes are pushed in and there's no objectives. Where do you go? Also when you have your full build... what do you do? Is there any point in farming other than pushing the wave forwards?
@@prosper9510 A wave comes every 30 seconds. If I clear it in 3 seconds, it takes another 27 seconds for the next wave to come to that same spot. That's asuming an opponent is there to clear my wave. It tends to just freeze in front of the enemies base at the turret.
Poach enemy jungle camps, get vision dominance on all the crossroads, wait for an enemy to overextend somewhere, get pick, punish resulting underdefended lane or take Epic while maintaining entrance control in a choke. Also, make sure you're not sitting on too much gold and go convert all that stuff you cleared while pushing into stats, then be back in time to keep the lanes pushed before you lose much priority. You might be able to just rotate and dive someone instead. Miss Fortune is very good at using Strut and E-R to punish someone defending a sidelane inner tower. Even if they escape death, that will often force them off tower so you can collect that bag of money and then go back to mid to keep it pushed or base for item spike. Remember that pushing waves into tower with decent wards anywhere amounts to a maphack; you should be able to see where most or all of the enemy are, and then if one of the lanes looks underdefended and you can rotate faster than the enemy, that's a soft spot you can hit. Or if they overload one lane to try and catch your allies, cross-map the other side or just know you're free to take the tower in front of you, depending on how much damage you deal and how low it is. It's not that taking towers is bad. You should pressure them via pushing waves as normal macro translated from laning phase fundamentals. It's that you shouldn't force them if they are adequately defended or there is something much more valuable to collect elsewhere. If the enemy is just allowing their towers to all get pressured at the same time, usually at least one of them will be vulnerable in one way or another. If you're playing something immobile and there aren't any openings available to you, and you would lose too much tempo and priority by basing, then just wait for item spikes and make sure to ping enemy positions and objective timers so your team doesn't get complacent about their flanks or miss-time their own backs, and ping whichever other lane looks like it's safe and efficient for your ally to turn up the pressure on the tower there alone (or with whoever is on your team that's more mobile and roaming between lanes instead of you. Someone will frequently be expending their sweeper trinket during this game-state.
I'm currently circumventing the mid game macro problem by maining Nasus and simply playing the lane game all day long. Usually this forces at least two opponents onto whichever lane I'm pushing, and by that time I'm either gone or it's a case of "I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me!". Sometimes, I eat dirt, but winning a 1v3 because the opponents underestimate the power of stacks feels really good. And so far, this is winning me more games than it's losing.
One thing that i am trying to learn myself, do and act the most beneficial thing for yourself first. Most of the time, you are not doing things that you want to do or are planned, but instead reacting to everyone elses action or helping someone elses mistakes, so you end up loosing your advantage for someone elses. If you have a plan, and someone else does his own thing risking it, if is benefitial, doit, if not, continue what you were doing. An example, imagine that we are lv 8 and you are a Roaming support, and your toplane / midlane you KNOW that if you gank, you can have a big impact on their lane and posibly kill the laner, BUT your Adc tells you to stay. You know that staying will just do nothing there and if the adc is smart enough he just can defend, so going to gank is your best move, but a lot of people just ignores his own judge, just to cover the skill issue of someone else. Like the person in the video said, if you think/has a logic thats the right move , even if is tecnically wrong, doit.
I suspect a lot of skill capped videos are skilled players doing well due to a collection of conscious and subconscious details to their play and then rationalizing post-hoc an analysis. Otherwise why are so many of these analysis videos mutually exclusive and simultaneous contradictory decisions? There can't be 10k 'biggest reasons' why people are losing. Rhetoric always sounds convincing when there is room for vagueness and it's looked at in isolation. I suspect if there was a DEBATE between each of the various people making these videos on the various *mutually exclusive* choices there would be a lot of disagreement and only SOME debates would converge upon an agreed upon conclusion.
2:15 Maybe I'm just facing Deja vu, but I swear this Vel'koz is me in one of my recent games cause I seem to remember this exact situation with a Croc rolling down upon the top tower and I feel so called out for it 😭
"Doing good stuff on the map should slowly increase the feeling that you should base to buy soon and come back stronger. Follow that feeling." -me, just now
8:00 The issue here is as a jungler that if my entire team groups up to do a baron and I am not there in a flip situation like this then I am the bad guy and I am who lost the game. There is no control in low elo games like this and its such a shit feeling, even when you want to make the right decision (which may be defending other lanes here) its still all 4 other players having to listen to you which most of the time never happens
The only real difference from lane to macro is that you basically depend on another 4 idiots that probably hate you already at min 15. You can never make the right the decision, cause there is none. Also, also. The game is shit man. Freezing, slow pushing, split push, farm, avoid taking risks.... Like every fucking right decision is pretty much the most boring. Why make the game like that riot? Why the right way to play your GAME, cause, yes, it IS a GAME, is boring as fuck? If you know anything about game design you should know that you have to save players from themselves, cause they are going to optimize the fun out of the game. Well, riot didn't do that, the fun is actually optimized out of the game in league. That's why the best option should ALWAYS be the most fun, yet it never is in league. Not a single time. The best you can do is actually just win while avoiding any conflict, in a game that is supposed to be a about big fights with amazing powers, the right strategy is to wait and clear the harmless creeps at the right time....
I agree but it's a very complicated matter. Any change made to League will naturally rub some players the wrong way. Some dislike changes because they make League a different expericence than what they like. Some dislike changes simply because they're something different than what they're used to. Riot needs to consider both types of player and that's without even mentioning the change itself. As most probably know Riot sometimes have some weird ideas for changes, *cough* balancing *cough* and they don't always workout as well as intended. Which is another risk of turning even more people off. I think changes are worth the risk as long as Riot can accept that it doesn't always workout the way they thought it would. And tbh, as much as players love to hate on Riot I think they do a fairly good job at listening to critique and making propriate changes. It's cool to see new stuff like Atakhan being added but I kinda wish Riot would add something different to fight over in the early game as a group. The dragons and voidgrubs are well worth the effort to get but the reward is so boring, imo.
Womp womp, that's just online competitive games in a nutshell, the moment you start playing with people with two neurons just going YOLO BC "it's fun" stops being a strategy, it's not exclusive to lol
@@leonardo9259 That's the thing, I don't want the strategy part, I want the fun part. And they should be one and the same. They removed arena that was the mode that scratched the itch of "I just want to mindlessly punch some people" and I am still mad about it
@@daleodoritothen play aram. You can’t really have a strategic game where running it down is a viable strategy. That completely tears down any sort of potential strategy
There's a problem with your rank up Garantees, you're guaranteed a higher rank if you're gold I than if you're plat IV, same for plat I and Emerald IV. That shouldn't be the case.
I would say taking a tower also helps with wave pressure. You can crash a wave on their tower and rome for awhile because they have to kill that wave, then another, then a tower wave. Giving your laners time to gank min/tower, fight objectives, or steal jungle camps. It is a bit more than 300 gold in my opinion. I've played for like 3 days and am loving it so far!!!!
Don't even get me started on players getting better at early game decisions... Recently I got games with supports who won't place any wards, ever (even in late). They end the game with 30 vision score - same as me as a jungle. Even had a yuumi support who ended with FIVE vision. And she wouldn't swap trinket to red, despite laning vs support Teemo + adc Jhin. Toplaners who won't attack enemy when I come to gank them and ping my intentions beforehand and just stand and watch. Midlaners who push hard at level 2, stay without any wards, and then blame jungle when they die under enemy tower. And this is all in silver, those players are not supposed to be that shitty! And ofc noone cares about warding objectives, so they blame jungle who doen't want to walk blindly into enemies laying in ambush at dragon.
Honestly, people do the same thing in Diamond, sometimes event master from my experience. In the current meta, you need to be playing the fastest pace, hardest carry you can play and just run around the map punishing people's positioning. (Non-team reliant champions, usually assassins like khazix, elise, and rengar) Then, give up the idea that you need all lanes to not feed to win, and instead focus on blowing a lane up way harder than they can blowup yours. - usually, the top lane is the biggest game winner, since almost nobody can deal with a fed top right now. Using Elise, for example, to dive top once, then come back and do it again, then wait between towers, and do it again, will win you games on the spot.
@@youju26it's because many people are placed in iron despite actually being higher, they just didn't play the previous season so the system kinda reset their mmr
Actually there are concepts of this in game theory Strategy with perfect recall Perfect recall is defined as the ability of every player in game to remember and recall all past actions within the game. Perfect recall is required for equivalence as, in finite games with imperfect recall, there will be existing mixed strategies of Player I in which there is no equivalent behavior strategy. This is fully described in the Absent-Minded Driver game formulated by Piccione and Rubinstein. In short, this game is based on the decision-making of a driver with imperfect recall, who needs to take the second exit off the highway to reach home but does not remember which intersection they are at when they reach it. Figure [2] describes this game. Without perfect information (i.e. imperfect information), players make a choice at each decision node without knowledge of the decisions that have preceded it. Therefore, a player’s mixed strategy can produce outcomes that their behavioral strategy cannot, and vice versa. This is demonstrated in the Absent-minded Driver game. With perfect recall and information, the driver has a single pure strategy, which is [continue, exit], as the driver is aware of what intersection (or decision node) they are at when they arrive to it. On the other hand, looking at the planning-optimal stage only, the maximum payoff is achieved by continuing at both intersections, maximized at p=2/3 (reference). This simple one player game demonstrates the importance of perfect recall for outcome equivalence, and its impact on normal and extended form games. LoL is a game without perfect information and imperfect recall, therefore you have to be ready to get messy and screw up and account for you screwing up.
I think I disagree with this to be honest, T1 turrets do open the map and make my life much easier as a jungler, for ganks, jungle invades, obj control, map pressure in general. If enemy team has a strong splitpusher that can start from half lane while we do baron, he might be doing inhib by the time we get back. If we crash the wave all the way to their inhib beforehand, that can't happen. There are a few specific moments where taking a turret is not worth. There are even more specific moments where taking an inhib is not worth. But it's still worth most of the time.
I'm not like the others. I play for objectives. Kills are just a "I kill you so you don't come to my objective" thing. Don't matter how big, as long as that Nexus falls, anything else is irrelevant.
What's the point of playing a moba then? I am not saying you should pick stupid fights but some people make it sound like all they wanna do is just pve aka farming and pushing
I think it comes less down to panicking, but more that the more chaotic nature of the mid and late game makes low elo players unable to realize that the same principles from the laning phase still apply. But at the end of the day it's the same thing throughout the whole game. Lane prio is everything. Push waves, then do shit.
I have found as a jungler, that in my elo (gold 1-2) games the best way to play midgame and lategame is not the objectively correct macro. Gold is filled with people who constantly get caught and fight. It's so often a complete bloodbath. I can't just do the objectively correct play, like clearing my camps while I wait for my laners to shove in waves, so that we could rotate to objectives. Because the moment my 12/11 Fizz sees an enemy, he uses all his tools to gap close and coinflip for the kill. Sometimes he gets the kill. Sometimes there's 1-3 people just outside of view in fog. And instead of being tilted over it, I have learned to embrace it. If it's a high kill game and I notice that everyone just looks for fights over nothing... I have to be that guy in the fog of war. If I'm playing something like viego, it's so easy to win games in gold over just hovering right behind my team mates. And they pick a fight, then I clean up reset after reset and turn that multikill into an objective. Like I try to see the game as my enemies would see it. If my mordekaiser top is split pushing alone with no pressure bot or mid? I know I would want to get a free pick on him. So instead I rotate to cover his mistake, and maybe quickly burst someone trying to collapse on him and flank him.
Part of the issue is low elo players want the games to be as short as possible. There isn't as much focus on winning specifically, so much as there is to try and end the game quickly. More games is always better, right?
The entire game can be summed up by what he says at 3:50 and it really puts into perspective how good being proactive can be. Yeah you can get punished but if you've DONT? you just got a huge swing
I get your point but i think you overstated almost making it seem like objecitves dont matter at all. Yea you shouldnt throw for an unimportant objective but objectives are still important and ultimately win games. A classic low elo problem is laners who farm all game, giving towers, objectives, and nexus
I only understand the tower point half way. Isnt it good to reduce the enemies "influence reach" that they get from towers, past like 20 minutes, or when you are the carry of the game to get the tower asap, cause then you can push deeper and roam more, or not?
I have to admit.... my ability to either prevent my laner from doing anything or absolutely stomp them has gotten consistent but i still lose 60-70% of matches landing me iron 4 0 lp all week and i have noticed its when it hits 15mins that shit goes south imma rewatch this today right before i attempt to start climbing
I swear as a low elo Akali otp i almost have an easier time winning if i have a bad early game. When im way ahead i try way too hard, die, then lose, but when im behind i play way safer and around my team more.
11:15 it came from dota and dota 2 as a result. remember, before league there was this game, where it all began? anyhow, it does work in dota, due to different map.
I understand what’s being said. I only have 1 question; in situations like this, what is the *right* choice? I see a lot of the examples early on where even with the “right” choice the game is still lost. To accept that our choice could lose us the game, we need to understand that there *is* a choice to be made that results in us *not* loosing off of it imo.
I think that was the point he was trying to make. In low elo games where you’re down by a lot there’s sometimes no right choice and you’ll just lose, but by taking the risk you at least have a 1% chance of winning instead of a 0% chance by just dying with your team
For me it's always worth it xd...full item complete always been powerful..of course u lose tempo but remember, in low elo even the most fed enemy can throw xD
Okay so... towers aren't important. Dragons aren't important. What *is* important? I even heard that in the current state of league, gold and minions aren't important but exp is. So, what should we prioritize? What should we be playing for if not for towers or objectives?
in my opinion everything is important, but only when you need it. drakes are useless until you get a soul, but you can't ignore them at all. i'm playing jungle and what i do first in every game i just observe my teammates who's good, who's bad if i see 0/3 top then i'm trying to take drakes if my bot is 0/3 i'm trying to take void grubs and herold. About towers you can win the game by just destroying tower on one lane butin reality its better to try take that gold from the map and open yourself a way to win the game. if you have a soul point its much better to have one dude pushing minions on top under T3 tower than T1. i think people are oversimplyfing things take what you can and always think what i need to win the game? soul? baron? elder? full build on my adc? and play for that thing.
@@patrykstanulewicz1323 Hm, that makes sense. There was a guy I used to watch who wasn't the highest elo but was diamond/masters and he always said "Take the free stuff, win the game" "push past river and roam" So basically, if you *can* take it without any risk absolutely take it. But I think the trouble is recognizing when you can. lol. Pushing past river and roaming is a safe bet in most cases too if you arent sure what to do.
I agree that doing coinflip baron call is horrible if there is just better option. On the other hand not doing the baron when you have clear advantage (more than 1 enemy dead and pushed waves) is even more common in low elo. Especially when it comes to destroying towers (lost a game recently with big lead because mid and adc refused to go for a baron while 3 enemies were dead. Instead they pushed in one tower in mid and then overstayed and got killed by respawned enemies which gave them multiple shutdowns, free baron and then they ended in 5 mins.) Ppl in low elo just love to kill towers so much lol.
Bro, I lived that Zed description perfectly. What you're not saying is if they die and flame, it's GG because someone will start trolling and dying on repeat.
"Players have this issue where they feel like they should always be doing something" (6:44). This issue comes from another concept that SC and other League coaches emphasize a lot: If your team has a X000 gold lead over your opponents, and the same gold lead Y minutes later, your team is now further behind because the greater amount of gold in the game dilutes the strength advantage of having X000 gold over the other team. It would be interesting to see how the issue discussed in this video is supposed to square with that.
That advice is not relevant in low elo. Because in low elo you might have a giant gold lead and then still lose anyways on some coinflip fight, afking teammate, or bizarre decisions.
I like how you showed the trynd carry in top lane despite the whole team being bad, but can we please get a guide like that for supps? If I’m 5/1/5 and rest of my team is performing poorly how can a supp out macro to win the game? Feels harder because if the enemy team is ahead on their carries then they’re almost always still going to be stronger than me throughout the game.
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Next: Oh hey, I'm coming up on a tower... Anyone going to come defend that? (If yes) Oh okay, fair enough. I'll just position aggressively enough to push enemy off clearing this as fast as they want to and maintain priority, but safely enough to fade away once another enemy thinks I am gankable and wastes their time flanking over my wards. Meanwhile my team is 2v1 or 3v2 somewhere else while the enemy harmlessly tries to 2v1 me. Or my jungler is quietly taking all that enemy's camps. (If no) Hm, okay, I guess I'll take that and farm the next wave too before rotating to another lane an ally has neglected and pushing that too, or otherwise base and wait for this lane to push close enough I'm not in danger to farm it again. Bonus option : Yes, but your support did the vision thing before the enemy got here and you're waiting to combo-kill the jungler 2v1 before their team-mate can come forwards to help them.
It's something simple I'm not a fan of but I hate it when people just stop pinging summs after like 8 minutes. Like bro, it'd be nice to know if we can all in on someone out of position instead of playing Texas Holdem on resources.
You said that you teach how to play correctly on respective elo. But then you said that for low elo we care to much for towers. As a religious low elo top split pusher in 80% early 1st tower means that 2nd tower will be gone in next 5 minutes. No one is going to defend it except that losing top because mentaly lane phase is not over for mid or jungler.
They feel at/after/around Rift lane phase is over. They watch these high level pro players leaving lane. They don't know how and when to do it. Its annoying When people do not see a wave being pushed and meet to defend. The lane abandonment is annoying. Risk vs. reward. A sure thing vs. maybe not. Like you can for sure push mid and break 2 towers while they drake. You cant fight them? Ok so while they drake 3, go do a 100% free baron. Also I think another phenomenon is happening here. Say a person in a crowded room collapses and they need medical help. Everyone assumes someone else will do it. So people walk past them. This is why a coach or a leader is important. Really. Sometimes now I am like 'ADC go farm bot wave back to at least river' These players have no idea how to handle if an enemy does not back all the way (Camping a lane) or proxy farming. Later game I win a LOT with Shaco, A move speed item or two (I like lich for sheen pushing as well) and Teleport. With that and clone I can perma camp a lane and force one or more person to come deal with me. Its way more than split pushing. If I am forced off lane entirely I have TP and if not I can just keep pressure.
My biggest issue is that i have been playing since season 1 and i was always between gold and platinum. I was placed into iron this season climbed all the way back to silver and seriously there are so many plat players stuck here after that stupid reset. Last game i had 3 people who were bronze 1 who was silver and all of them played from season 13. Enemy team had 3 players who were gold previous season and gold since season4 and 1 plat. How am i supose to carry this?
1st time i see saying about dont get towers. i know give the t1 make ez to farm and deny farm, but towers have to fall to get to nexus. when is correct and wrong to get them?
I SWEAR on my life the majority of League players that ping objectives when the entire enemy team is nearby runs RAMBANT. Like just because drag/baron is up doesn't mean we need to get them IMMEDITELY
i mean you do have to get it immediately, especially most games you can oneshot drake with team after 25min so if you dont take over river vision under 1:30 obj timer then most likely you will lose drake/baron. in those cases, your macro brain should be telling you that you have to push lanes to create pressure to split your enemy before timer runs out, otherwise you lose your chances getting objective.
the amount of times my team has fought for some stupid reason but we wipe them 4/5 jungle being one of them and I ping obj, drag or baron and nobody rotates but as soon as the enemy is all alive again they want to ping and start rotating is way too high to count.
Skill Capped should be renamed content capped. Your trynd example right from the get go was awful. You have a 2 level and 3 lead level diff on the enemy team which means in that game, you got fed by a troll in their team or their top trolled and let you farm to your hearts content. Then again you are trying to "teach" people that you otherwise assume are "braindead" and thus won't notice the little things, yikes.
"why are people good at laning but not at macro?" i remembered that when i was playing dota2 with former pro player like 10 years ago, he said the same thing.
It's really easy honestly, laning is mostly technical theories that you can apply consistantly while macro is way more complex since it calls for your brain to make decisions, weigh them, simulate them and shit... Overall, being able to adapt to your current situation fast and efficiently, at least more than your opponents and that is hard work
I didn't make this clear, SORRY SORRY!
Towers are good to take for the GOLD they give. If you can take one for free, then yes, take the tower and get fed lol. Just stop randomly grouping/dying/griefing tempo for them. They're not strategical, they just give you lots of gold. Especially if you take them when you're alone and you get all the local gold
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So what are we doin if we wont force objective, tower or kill ?
You sound like all of these teammates who feed & lose my games with this advice 🤡
@@YourTuber-n6whe means it's better to be afk than take towers, because it's not like you take towers, then inhi & then two towers & nexus, you win the game by getting dragons & farming 🤡
@@OversampledSecretLab no? , are you iron or smth , what dont you understand ?
@@DragonGuyCz sounds like you are, you need a ban, cause you're selling my games and you shouldn't play ranked with people
I think the reason people are so fixated on towers (myself included) is the number of times I've seen the game be won just because someone pushes a side lane all game and never got stopped from ending the game
this, and the fact that we've been conditioned for years when towers did do more damage before the durability update
And they have a macro video on side laning so now I’m so confused
I personally think it's more about knowing if and when to push side lanes rather than exclusively doing it
@@RapCitySongs It's good to go for it, alone, to farm and get gold and exp and also put pressure on the map. It's bad to go crazy and trying to get that as if it was an urgent objective you NEED to get on the map ASAP and trade your life (time) for it when it could go to a better activity
@@falcong6697 I think even before the durability update towers still didnt matter. You could always just dive someone and juggle the agro of the tower.
If you stay in lane to farm minions while your jungler dies, make sure to type "sucks to suck" for max tilt.
Say " Jg gap " in allchat
If you play correctly but your team thinks you're not helping at al report you - you get auto banned anyway. So either way you lose
no u dont, u sure u didnt type that they are numb diggers?
@@damianszymocha2375 The fact my comments get deleted for the lightest sht but yours is still here 😩
@@MSharm8 Ok digger
“Stop caring about towers”
Enemy Trundle destroying my inhib in 11th minute..
11th minute inhib is actually better for your team because whoever ur carry is can farm all the super minions and get mega further ahead in xp and gold.
@@SavagePrisonerSP he got the inhib, he's gonna get nexus soon, have fun farming
A good trundle wouldn't take the inhib at 11. He would be spam pinging that he's going bot to start on those towers. The xp given to teams with an early inhib taken stalls the game. He would only her inhib if he plans on touching those nexus towers in the next min or so.
But like I said "a good trundle" I don't know what gold players are up to these days
@@herecomeskuma3107 you're right, the problem in low elo is that they lose the inhib at 11 mins and at ffing 4 mins later without realizing that they're already ahead in gold and their inhib is back.
@@SavagePrisonerSPeh no it's not better for your team at all. Yes it gives your carry free xp and farm but it will never be good that someone has to stay in base to defend so early. The side laner will just eventually end the game causr he's clearly gapping his lane enemy
I already suck way before The 14min mark but this is still nice
Hector really put an LCS game when mentioning the "best players in the world" and thought we wouldn't notice
Video called "Why everyone stuggles after 14 mins" and it lasts 13:27. Even author sruggled to hit 14, LOL
4:50 FINALLY. FINALLY a guide that actually adresses this issue. I am so often in this situation it's crazy, good to confirm it is actually unwinnable
Most of the games I lose are like this. If I can only find a way to make my teammates not 4v5 my wr will skyrocket
@@zeyadmo660 Offloading accountability to your teammates is counterproductive and does nothing for you. Even if that was the play that ended the game, you made a thousand mistakes before it ended. Look for those instead of worrying about how to mind control strangers.
@@RocoPwnage did you read my comment?
@@RocoPwnage challenger offloading accountabillity then? lmfao
There you were forced to misplay because the correct choice was simply not possible due to teamgap.
The game is a teamgame, you win and loose as a team, even when you re nemesis or whoever is the best EUW player.
Focusing on the rights or wrong you did and how they impacted the game is healthy, and best you can do in hindsight but do not replace you with a 1v9 demon that hardcarries inting teammates.
@@zeyadmo660 There's no way u're this delusional right?
Wow finally a commentary that explains things in a low elo perspective! U cnt expect to play the right way in low elo bcoz players in low elo thinks in 2 dimensional way only (push or kill) whereas higher elos thinks in multiple dimensions. Hence they are called HIGH ELO..
"Stop caring about towers"
The enemy Garen/Sion player that hard shoves the side lane all game and nobody else defends:
Or yorick
I really think we need a follow up video on this. This created so many questions that need to be answered. When IS taking towers good? What was the main point of this video? Like - dont feak out over towers but focus on what instead?
Yeah, it feels like a half baked video and he doesn't even say that he'll do another video as a follow up
It's because the primary purpose of the video is for you to sign up for skill capped. An advertisement video. They probably go more in depth on this topic there. Just to throw my two cents in, I'd say after plating falls, you can all but ignore towers until you've won a team fight, or you're split pushing, putting pressure on two points on the map. Winning team fight and taking a tower or two quickly is ideal if other objectives aren't up.
I think we are suck on Macro because it depends on the team mates to listen, and play together! Eg: Your a top laner splitpusher and your team iniciate a fight 4x5 before you get some pressior to tp in the fight! You need to be aling and the teammaters are just doing whatever they want to!
Macro is choosing what is best in every moment. After 1 or 2 kills my Vayne wanted to call for Baron but my Mid and support didn't listened so i check her items so calculate the time to kill the baron and decide if i go with Vayne or i tell her to go farm a Lane. In this case i calculated 30 seconds and with enemy jungler alive im not risking the steal. But later on we get the pick on enemy support and my Vayne calls for Baron while again nobody listened, i check his items again and i calculated 19 seconds eich is fast enough so i ping that im going and we secure Baron while support dies again on Mid. Also in last teamfight i could decide to go nuts on the enemy team but my Vayne had 3 items and decided to use my skills to protect her and win that way
@@aaronblasco5190 xd ok maths genius
Thank you so much, im not good at English but watching your videos are very satisfying.
Your pronunciation is very easy to listen and you guys make the icon on screen make it very easy to understand.
Also, is it possible to watch more defeat replays? Because I think learning in fails is a good way to improve ourself.
Thank you again! You make me love to pickup a NG game again.
I second this! I'd love to see more defeat replays and examining how it happened.
Wow I watched this right after the skillcap video talking about split pushing and taking towers is so powerful...
Yeah if you apply the idea of split pushing properly it's really good because you're not trading time or your life for tower, you're farming waves and applying pressure, you force a response. Grouping 4 mid to siege and force a fight over a tower is not getting resources and you're sacrificing minions in other waves and objectives to do it (unless you're giga ahead and just ending).
Split pushing is very different from forcing towers
@@JMetal_enjoyeralso mid tier 2 is the most useless tower ever created, gives so much less gold and doesn’t give as much protection as any other tower in the game
I really need a deeper video about this to explote this concept better in game, we would really appreciate it 🙏🏼✨
Finally somebody mentions the tower thing! I've recently come back and am currently starting a climb from the very bottom on my 3 year neglected account. The amount people throwing themselves at towers for 30 seconds at a time has been insane! I get flamed for pinging them off most of the time and I couldn't figure out for ungodly reason lol. Great video boys, more like these!
It seems like a lot of work went into editing this video and making the graphics. Just wanted to say - good job!
Can I get guides on why I suck at the first 14 mins of the game? I consistently lose lane and still manage to have heavy impact on my team. For whatever reason, the stuff thats typically hard for players like macro strategy, understanding my role, and team fighting come much easier to me than the whole laning phase. I consistently lose lane but I still manage to have good KP, high damage, presence at objectives. I once went 0/6/0 in the first 15mins of a gold/plat game against Zed as syndra and ended the game as the player with the highest damage and >50% KP. I literally just can’t lane to save my life.
they have tons of fundamentals and laning phase guides on their channel
I am the same. But pre 14 is pretty much every other video about laning fundamentals.
@@travelerxo i’ve watched plenty of guides, I’m just dumb lmao. I can’t wrap my head around it. I just commented to vent.
its coz syndra has free scaling, get shit on for 20 min ? no worries we gotchu, you'll still win if game isn't ended by 20 :)
So ure one of those that just go ooga booga low farm and somehow wins anyways bcs ur team carried u XD
I hit GM this year and every time i play i think "would hector be mad if i did X" i went to drag and the mid wave was sitting uncontested not being farmed and i thought "yeah hed be mad here" 😅 then i split pushed as auto filled ADC and thought *chef kiss* i bet hed be proud 👏
All good points, but one thing to also consider:
People never practice late game macro because they abuse the FF command. Everyone thinks they are playing in challenger, where a match is decided so early, and can't be won. Everyone in low elo thinks they know how to play and what the win/loss conditions are because they watched a stream or watched proplay.
Bottom line: the surrender function in league and its abuse by the majority of players is why no one knows what to do in late game. They never get the practice
As someone that watches wayyy too much youtube i can tell you one of the biggest reasons everyones learned to lane so well but not mid/late macro is because nearly every guide out there just covers laning phase and just call the guide good there
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This is good info for players that are beginners or intermediate however in high elo (High master, GM, Chall) you are actually trolling if you do not position your wave to help your team around the map. Obviously people still do stupid things but there are a lot more ways to interact with your jungler than most people think, hence why in high elo it is more important. For example, recalling before obj, invading enemy raptors or rotating to shallow jungle fights with proper wave setup is INCREDIBLY important in games where macro knowledge is somewhat even -- at a high level, and mechanics are solid as well.
Yeah in low elo people do not interact with their jungle predictably at all, so I do a lot of power farming when laners ignore my 1 min warning objective pings 😂
Honestly, climbing to gold by forcing trundle and only focusing on towers was the quickest climb I ever had on an alt. While it might be true in higher elo that towers dont do shit, in low elo people cant deal with a good split push and the corresponding lack of lane vision. They feel lost in the void of eternity created by Trundles bat crushing their worlds.
11:12 Ambessa dashed 7 times in 10 seconds.
I screamed so much in outrage with that clip
Kalista laughs*
If i should stop caring about towers, i genuine don’t know how to play the game being diamond. I really need a guide over towers.
First of all, Diamond is not low elo.
Second you missed the point of the video, completely!
In low elo people make bad calls constantly. And then enough bad calls backfire you lose the game by default because you are to behind at that point. So it is better to give away one or two objective to save your gold lead. That's pretty much the point of the video.
Gold lead > second dragon for enemy team.
Tooday I had a game where where I played Mao sup and my ADC Jinx got a double kill and was backing. Our Graves pinged dragon and started it. I have 30% of my health bar, enemy bot is at this point walking back to lane and I have alot of gold on me. Our Jinx already back to. Horrible call. He also was strugling with it so he started pinging for me to help him take it, I just backed ignoring him.
Then I was walking back to lane just typed: "Leave me alone with ur horrible calls" and muted him. He died to enemy Kha and he just leashed dragon for him.
If I followed his call I would'v died, Jinx to, he was dead 100% also and we would'v just got first dragon.
Because me and Jinx didint followed him: Jinx spend her gold and had full HP, I spend my gold and had full HP, enemy sup was baiting us while I was warding and we managed to 2v3 enemy and Jinx got a triple.
That kind of calls loses games. That's why he is saying dont tunnel focus on drags/towers
@@TheEstafista First of all, no one said Diamond is low elo. Since you hallucinated that sentence, I won't care to read the rest of your comment, since it probably is full of non sense either. Make sure to respond more carefully next time!
@@agustinbarquero8898What a close minded reaction over such a inconsequential mistake.
@@agustinbarquero8898 The OP is commenting about a tip given to low elo players specifically. It's called context.
@@TheEstafista i dont remember when they said this concept only aplies to low elo. If did, my bad.
i completely understand your anectote. I am also aware of it being jg, but cannot understand when should i focus on towers to finish the game since the whole focus of the video is to stop focusing on towers and they are giving away all your advantage.
It's mainly when all lanes are pushed in and there's no objectives. Where do you go? Also when you have your full build... what do you do? Is there any point in farming other than pushing the wave forwards?
just wait , farm. nothing to farm? nonsense, you cant wait 6 seconds for a wave to come to you?
@@prosper9510 A wave comes every 30 seconds. If I clear it in 3 seconds, it takes another 27 seconds for the next wave to come to that same spot. That's asuming an opponent is there to clear my wave. It tends to just freeze in front of the enemies base at the turret.
@MHGFTW you're right man. Just run it down then
Poach enemy jungle camps, get vision dominance on all the crossroads, wait for an enemy to overextend somewhere, get pick, punish resulting underdefended lane or take Epic while maintaining entrance control in a choke.
Also, make sure you're not sitting on too much gold and go convert all that stuff you cleared while pushing into stats, then be back in time to keep the lanes pushed before you lose much priority.
You might be able to just rotate and dive someone instead. Miss Fortune is very good at using Strut and E-R to punish someone defending a sidelane inner tower. Even if they escape death, that will often force them off tower so you can collect that bag of money and then go back to mid to keep it pushed or base for item spike.
Remember that pushing waves into tower with decent wards anywhere amounts to a maphack; you should be able to see where most or all of the enemy are, and then if one of the lanes looks underdefended and you can rotate faster than the enemy, that's a soft spot you can hit. Or if they overload one lane to try and catch your allies, cross-map the other side or just know you're free to take the tower in front of you, depending on how much damage you deal and how low it is.
It's not that taking towers is bad. You should pressure them via pushing waves as normal macro translated from laning phase fundamentals. It's that you shouldn't force them if they are adequately defended or there is something much more valuable to collect elsewhere. If the enemy is just allowing their towers to all get pressured at the same time, usually at least one of them will be vulnerable in one way or another.
If you're playing something immobile and there aren't any openings available to you, and you would lose too much tempo and priority by basing, then just wait for item spikes and make sure to ping enemy positions and objective timers so your team doesn't get complacent about their flanks or miss-time their own backs, and ping whichever other lane looks like it's safe and efficient for your ally to turn up the pressure on the tower there alone (or with whoever is on your team that's more mobile and roaming between lanes instead of you. Someone will frequently be expending their sweeper trinket during this game-state.
I'm currently circumventing the mid game macro problem by maining Nasus and simply playing the lane game all day long. Usually this forces at least two opponents onto whichever lane I'm pushing, and by that time I'm either gone or it's a case of "I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me!". Sometimes, I eat dirt, but winning a 1v3 because the opponents underestimate the power of stacks feels really good. And so far, this is winning me more games than it's losing.
One thing that i am trying to learn myself, do and act the most beneficial thing for yourself first.
Most of the time, you are not doing things that you want to do or are planned, but instead reacting to everyone elses action or helping someone elses mistakes, so you end up loosing your advantage for someone elses.
If you have a plan, and someone else does his own thing risking it, if is benefitial, doit, if not, continue what you were doing.
An example, imagine that we are lv 8 and you are a Roaming support, and your toplane / midlane you KNOW that if you gank, you can have a big impact on their lane and posibly kill the laner, BUT your Adc tells you to stay.
You know that staying will just do nothing there and if the adc is smart enough he just can defend, so going to gank is your best move, but a lot of people just ignores his own judge, just to cover the skill issue of someone else.
Like the person in the video said, if you think/has a logic thats the right move , even if is tecnically wrong, doit.
I suspect a lot of skill capped videos are skilled players doing well due to a collection of conscious and subconscious details to their play and then rationalizing post-hoc an analysis.
Otherwise why are so many of these analysis videos mutually exclusive and simultaneous contradictory decisions?
There can't be 10k 'biggest reasons' why people are losing.
Rhetoric always sounds convincing when there is room for vagueness and it's looked at in isolation.
I suspect if there was a DEBATE between each of the various people making these videos on the various *mutually exclusive* choices there would be a lot of disagreement and only SOME debates would converge upon an agreed upon conclusion.
Yeah, this video raises more questions than answers so in the end, it ends up accomplishing nothing useful
Most of these videos seem like low effort clickbait, with very little actual thought or information put into it..
interestingly this video is just a couple seconds below 14 minutes
2:15 Maybe I'm just facing Deja vu, but I swear this Vel'koz is me in one of my recent games cause I seem to remember this exact situation with a Croc rolling down upon the top tower and I feel so called out for it 😭
"Doing good stuff on the map should slowly increase the feeling that you should base to buy soon and come back stronger. Follow that feeling." -me, just now
2:50 you know what else we could immagine? 2:52 you know what else is massive?
Didn't you say in one video Hector that tier 2 tower is worth a lot of gold (700g)?
8:00 The issue here is as a jungler that if my entire team groups up to do a baron and I am not there in a flip situation like this then I am the bad guy and I am who lost the game. There is no control in low elo games like this and its such a shit feeling, even when you want to make the right decision (which may be defending other lanes here) its still all 4 other players having to listen to you which most of the time never happens
For me, bad macro is a consequence of losing focus
League isn't a very stimulating game
The only real difference from lane to macro is that you basically depend on another 4 idiots that probably hate you already at min 15. You can never make the right the decision, cause there is none.
Also, also. The game is shit man. Freezing, slow pushing, split push, farm, avoid taking risks.... Like every fucking right decision is pretty much the most boring. Why make the game like that riot? Why the right way to play your GAME, cause, yes, it IS a GAME, is boring as fuck?
If you know anything about game design you should know that you have to save players from themselves, cause they are going to optimize the fun out of the game. Well, riot didn't do that, the fun is actually optimized out of the game in league. That's why the best option should ALWAYS be the most fun, yet it never is in league. Not a single time. The best you can do is actually just win while avoiding any conflict, in a game that is supposed to be a about big fights with amazing powers, the right strategy is to wait and clear the harmless creeps at the right time....
I agree but it's a very complicated matter. Any change made to League will naturally rub some players the wrong way. Some dislike changes because they make League a different expericence than what they like. Some dislike changes simply because they're something different than what they're used to.
Riot needs to consider both types of player and that's without even mentioning the change itself. As most probably know Riot sometimes have some weird ideas for changes, *cough* balancing *cough* and they don't always workout as well as intended. Which is another risk of turning even more people off.
I think changes are worth the risk as long as Riot can accept that it doesn't always workout the way they thought it would. And tbh, as much as players love to hate on Riot I think they do a fairly good job at listening to critique and making propriate changes.
It's cool to see new stuff like Atakhan being added but I kinda wish Riot would add something different to fight over in the early game as a group. The dragons and voidgrubs are well worth the effort to get but the reward is so boring, imo.
Womp womp, that's just online competitive games in a nutshell, the moment you start playing with people with two neurons just going YOLO BC "it's fun" stops being a strategy, it's not exclusive to lol
@@leonardo9259 That's the thing, I don't want the strategy part, I want the fun part. And they should be one and the same.
They removed arena that was the mode that scratched the itch of "I just want to mindlessly punch some people" and I am still mad about it
@@daleodoritothen play aram. You can’t really have a strategic game where running it down is a viable strategy. That completely tears down any sort of potential strategy
Sounds like this just isn't the game for you then, MOBAs are considered strategy games primarily
There's a problem with your rank up Garantees, you're guaranteed a higher rank if you're gold I than if you're plat IV, same for plat I and Emerald IV. That shouldn't be the case.
I really appreciate you saying "except for the mid t1 tower" bec I just realized how much mid t1 matters for jg
I would say taking a tower also helps with wave pressure. You can crash a wave on their tower and rome for awhile because they have to kill that wave, then another, then a tower wave. Giving your laners time to gank min/tower, fight objectives, or steal jungle camps. It is a bit more than 300 gold in my opinion. I've played for like 3 days and am loving it so far!!!!
Wrong, unfortunately. You will understand why as you play more.
@agustinbarquero8898 k cool guy didn't ask. Gatekeep somewhere else
Hey guys,
Can you please make a guide on how to carry as toplane tank? Thank you.
Don't even get me started on players getting better at early game decisions... Recently I got games with supports who won't place any wards, ever (even in late). They end the game with 30 vision score - same as me as a jungle. Even had a yuumi support who ended with FIVE vision. And she wouldn't swap trinket to red, despite laning vs support Teemo + adc Jhin. Toplaners who won't attack enemy when I come to gank them and ping my intentions beforehand and just stand and watch. Midlaners who push hard at level 2, stay without any wards, and then blame jungle when they die under enemy tower. And this is all in silver, those players are not supposed to be that shitty! And ofc noone cares about warding objectives, so they blame jungle who doen't want to walk blindly into enemies laying in ambush at dragon.
to be fair that does sound very silver...
I'm Iron and somehow everyone in Iron is higher skilled than silver apparently.
Honestly, people do the same thing in Diamond, sometimes event master from my experience.
In the current meta, you need to be playing the fastest pace, hardest carry you can play and just run around the map punishing people's positioning. (Non-team reliant champions, usually assassins like khazix, elise, and rengar)
Then, give up the idea that you need all lanes to not feed to win, and instead focus on blowing a lane up way harder than they can blowup yours. - usually, the top lane is the biggest game winner, since almost nobody can deal with a fed top right now.
Using Elise, for example, to dive top once, then come back and do it again, then wait between towers, and do it again, will win you games on the spot.
And when you ask them to ward more and swap to red, they get mad at you xD THE AUDACITY
@@youju26it's because many people are placed in iron despite actually being higher, they just didn't play the previous season so the system kinda reset their mmr
Most helpful video on mid/late macro in low elo. Thank you.
Actually there are concepts of this in game theory
Strategy with perfect recall
Perfect recall is defined as the ability of every player in game to remember and recall all past actions within the game. Perfect recall is required for equivalence as, in finite games with imperfect recall, there will be existing mixed strategies of Player I in which there is no equivalent behavior strategy. This is fully described in the Absent-Minded Driver game formulated by Piccione and Rubinstein. In short, this game is based on the decision-making of a driver with imperfect recall, who needs to take the second exit off the highway to reach home but does not remember which intersection they are at when they reach it. Figure [2] describes this game.
Without perfect information (i.e. imperfect information), players make a choice at each decision node without knowledge of the decisions that have preceded it. Therefore, a player’s mixed strategy can produce outcomes that their behavioral strategy cannot, and vice versa. This is demonstrated in the Absent-minded Driver game. With perfect recall and information, the driver has a single pure strategy, which is [continue, exit], as the driver is aware of what intersection (or decision node) they are at when they arrive to it. On the other hand, looking at the planning-optimal stage only, the maximum payoff is achieved by continuing at both intersections, maximized at p=2/3 (reference). This simple one player game demonstrates the importance of perfect recall for outcome equivalence, and its impact on normal and extended form games.
LoL is a game without perfect information and imperfect recall, therefore you have to be ready to get messy and screw up and account for you screwing up.
Tldr
I think I disagree with this to be honest, T1 turrets do open the map and make my life much easier as a jungler, for ganks, jungle invades, obj control, map pressure in general. If enemy team has a strong splitpusher that can start from half lane while we do baron, he might be doing inhib by the time we get back. If we crash the wave all the way to their inhib beforehand, that can't happen. There are a few specific moments where taking a turret is not worth. There are even more specific moments where taking an inhib is not worth. But it's still worth most of the time.
I'm not like the others. I play for objectives. Kills are just a "I kill you so you don't come to my objective" thing. Don't matter how big, as long as that Nexus falls, anything else is irrelevant.
What's the point of playing a moba then? I am not saying you should pick stupid fights but some people make it sound like all they wanna do is just pve aka farming and pushing
I think it comes less down to panicking, but more that the more chaotic nature of the mid and late game makes low elo players unable to realize that the same principles from the laning phase still apply. But at the end of the day it's the same thing throughout the whole game. Lane prio is everything. Push waves, then do shit.
Yeah, exactly
I have found as a jungler, that in my elo (gold 1-2) games the best way to play midgame and lategame is not the objectively correct macro. Gold is filled with people who constantly get caught and fight. It's so often a complete bloodbath.
I can't just do the objectively correct play, like clearing my camps while I wait for my laners to shove in waves, so that we could rotate to objectives. Because the moment my 12/11 Fizz sees an enemy, he uses all his tools to gap close and coinflip for the kill. Sometimes he gets the kill. Sometimes there's 1-3 people just outside of view in fog.
And instead of being tilted over it, I have learned to embrace it. If it's a high kill game and I notice that everyone just looks for fights over nothing... I have to be that guy in the fog of war.
If I'm playing something like viego, it's so easy to win games in gold over just hovering right behind my team mates. And they pick a fight, then I clean up reset after reset and turn that multikill into an objective.
Like I try to see the game as my enemies would see it. If my mordekaiser top is split pushing alone with no pressure bot or mid? I know I would want to get a free pick on him. So instead I rotate to cover his mistake, and maybe quickly burst someone trying to collapse on him and flank him.
This behaviour will hurt you a lot in higher ranks.
Part of the issue is low elo players want the games to be as short as possible. There isn't as much focus on winning specifically, so much as there is to try and end the game quickly. More games is always better, right?
Kind've funny you say this when low elo games last the longest
@antonioio3437 it's definitely funny, but the fact they last so long is probably *why* people feel like they need to get them over with more quickly.
The entire game can be summed up by what he says at 3:50 and it really puts into perspective how good being proactive can be. Yeah you can get punished but if you've DONT? you just got a huge swing
I get your point but i think you overstated almost making it seem like objecitves dont matter at all. Yea you shouldnt throw for an unimportant objective but objectives are still important and ultimately win games. A classic low elo problem is laners who farm all game, giving towers, objectives, and nexus
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*Starts to flame skillcap for telling me I suck like it’s in game chat*
Hell nah man. I'm dying any day for that juicy 700 gold t2
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I only understand the tower point half way. Isnt it good to reduce the enemies "influence reach" that they get from towers, past like 20 minutes, or when you are the carry of the game to get the tower asap, cause then you can push deeper and roam more, or not?
I do this all the time. No matter how good early game is going i always fall off between 14-25 minutes
LOL as someone who plays trundle, I eat towers all around to pressure enemy and deny vision
I have to admit.... my ability to either prevent my laner from doing anything or absolutely stomp them has gotten consistent but i still lose 60-70% of matches landing me iron 4 0 lp all week and i have noticed its when it hits 15mins that shit goes south imma rewatch this today right before i attempt to start climbing
I swear as a low elo Akali otp i almost have an easier time winning if i have a bad early game. When im way ahead i try way too hard, die, then lose, but when im behind i play way safer and around my team more.
11:15 it came from dota and dota 2 as a result. remember, before league there was this game, where it all began? anyhow, it does work in dota, due to different map.
I understand what’s being said. I only have 1 question; in situations like this, what is the *right* choice? I see a lot of the examples early on where even with the “right” choice the game is still lost. To accept that our choice could lose us the game, we need to understand that there *is* a choice to be made that results in us *not* loosing off of it imo.
I think that was the point he was trying to make. In low elo games where you’re down by a lot there’s sometimes no right choice and you’ll just lose, but by taking the risk you at least have a 1% chance of winning instead of a 0% chance by just dying with your team
is it worth it to overstay to complete an item?
For me it's always worth it xd...full item complete always been powerful..of course u lose tempo but remember, in low elo even the most fed enemy can throw xD
Okay so... towers aren't important. Dragons aren't important. What *is* important? I even heard that in the current state of league, gold and minions aren't important but exp is. So, what should we prioritize? What should we be playing for if not for towers or objectives?
For river crab
in my opinion everything is important, but only when you need it. drakes are useless until you get a soul, but you can't ignore them at all. i'm playing jungle and what i do first in every game i just observe my teammates who's good, who's bad if i see 0/3 top then i'm trying to take drakes if my bot is 0/3 i'm trying to take void grubs and herold. About towers you can win the game by just destroying tower on one lane butin reality its better to try take that gold from the map and open yourself a way to win the game. if you have a soul point its much better to have one dude pushing minions on top under T3 tower than T1. i think people are oversimplyfing things take what you can and always think what i need to win the game? soul? baron? elder? full build on my adc? and play for that thing.
@@patrykstanulewicz1323 Hm, that makes sense. There was a guy I used to watch who wasn't the highest elo but was diamond/masters and he always said "Take the free stuff, win the game" "push past river and roam"
So basically, if you *can* take it without any risk absolutely take it. But I think the trouble is recognizing when you can. lol. Pushing past river and roaming is a safe bet in most cases too if you arent sure what to do.
Idk about now but like 4 years ago, even most challengers are struggle at this by a lot.
I agree that doing coinflip baron call is horrible if there is just better option. On the other hand not doing the baron when you have clear advantage (more than 1 enemy dead and pushed waves) is even more common in low elo. Especially when it comes to destroying towers (lost a game recently with big lead because mid and adc refused to go for a baron while 3 enemies were dead. Instead they pushed in one tower in mid and then overstayed and got killed by respawned enemies which gave them multiple shutdowns, free baron and then they ended in 5 mins.) Ppl in low elo just love to kill towers so much lol.
Which makes their refusal to do baron even more paradoxal... Low elo players are literally smooth brains
Sounds like a classic emerald game 😅
Bro, I lived that Zed description perfectly. What you're not saying is if they die and flame, it's GG because someone will start trolling and dying on repeat.
He said the quiet part out loud, and in great detail 😂
Could have added 33 seconds to the video there
"Players have this issue where they feel like they should always be doing something" (6:44). This issue comes from another concept that SC and other League coaches emphasize a lot: If your team has a X000 gold lead over your opponents, and the same gold lead Y minutes later, your team is now further behind because the greater amount of gold in the game dilutes the strength advantage of having X000 gold over the other team. It would be interesting to see how the issue discussed in this video is supposed to square with that.
That advice is not relevant in low elo. Because in low elo you might have a giant gold lead and then still lose anyways on some coinflip fight, afking teammate, or bizarre decisions.
@@omicronx94nothing is really relevant down there when it comes to macro honestly, there is just too many unpredictable factors and players xD
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Great! I'm going straight to ranked bronze game to take the first tower I can!
Not the "top gap" at 4:58 💀
Lol i miss the Hector challenges. Nothing emphasizes proper lane control than watching Yumi win to lane.
I like how you showed the trynd carry in top lane despite the whole team being bad, but can we please get a guide like that for supps? If I’m 5/1/5 and rest of my team is performing poorly how can a supp out macro to win the game? Feels harder because if the enemy team is ahead on their carries then they’re almost always still going to be stronger than me throughout the game.
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Where is the nearest minion wave? Can I push it safely?
I ask myself this all the time.
Next: Oh hey, I'm coming up on a tower... Anyone going to come defend that?
(If yes) Oh okay, fair enough. I'll just position aggressively enough to push enemy off clearing this as fast as they want to and maintain priority, but safely enough to fade away once another enemy thinks I am gankable and wastes their time flanking over my wards. Meanwhile my team is 2v1 or 3v2 somewhere else while the enemy harmlessly tries to 2v1 me. Or my jungler is quietly taking all that enemy's camps.
(If no) Hm, okay, I guess I'll take that and farm the next wave too before rotating to another lane an ally has neglected and pushing that too, or otherwise base and wait for this lane to push close enough I'm not in danger to farm it again.
Bonus option : Yes, but your support did the vision thing before the enemy got here and you're waiting to combo-kill the jungler 2v1 before their team-mate can come forwards to help them.
It's something simple I'm not a fan of but I hate it when people just stop pinging summs after like 8 minutes. Like bro, it'd be nice to know if we can all in on someone out of position instead of playing Texas Holdem on resources.
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Is the Skill capped website only in English or are there subtitles in other languages?
now i just need a video "why you suck before 14 min" so i'll know why i suck all the time.
Their other video are just that...
Its so hard to NOT help and to just listen to yourself. Everyone can probably count a million cases where they got baited by their own mate.
What's the special reason for mid tower importance vs the other towers?
My junglers never see I'm farming and they just screaming if I can't protect them from their mid, even thought I pinged a lot.
You said that you teach how to play correctly on respective elo. But then you said that for low elo we care to much for towers. As a religious low elo top split pusher in 80% early 1st tower means that 2nd tower will be gone in next 5 minutes. No one is going to defend it except that losing top because mentaly lane phase is not over for mid or jungler.
Players randomly focus on towers because league of graphs like to insult them for not constantly trying to take them
They feel at/after/around Rift lane phase is over. They watch these high level pro players leaving lane. They don't know how and when to do it. Its annoying When people do not see a wave being pushed and meet to defend. The lane abandonment is annoying.
Risk vs. reward. A sure thing vs. maybe not. Like you can for sure push mid and break 2 towers while they drake. You cant fight them? Ok so while they drake 3, go do a 100% free baron.
Also I think another phenomenon is happening here. Say a person in a crowded room collapses and they need medical help. Everyone assumes someone else will do it. So people walk past them. This is why a coach or a leader is important. Really.
Sometimes now I am like 'ADC go farm bot wave back to at least river'
These players have no idea how to handle if an enemy does not back all the way (Camping a lane) or proxy farming.
Later game I win a LOT with Shaco, A move speed item or two (I like lich for sheen pushing as well) and Teleport. With that and clone I can perma camp a lane and force one or more person to come deal with me. Its way more than split pushing. If I am forced off lane entirely I have TP and if not I can just keep pressure.
now i know i should do my own channel to teach ppl simple wisdom like u do :D
What about season 2025? Shouldnt we force towers in that season too? for boots
My biggest issue is that i have been playing since season 1 and i was always between gold and platinum. I was placed into iron this season climbed all the way back to silver and seriously there are so many plat players stuck here after that stupid reset. Last game i had 3 people who were bronze 1 who was silver and all of them played from season 13. Enemy team had 3 players who were gold previous season and gold since season4 and 1 plat. How am i supose to carry this?
hmmm. i think taking mid tower really opens up the map. especially if you are ahead. give a lot of control over the enemy jungle
He said with the exception of mid tier 1
I think it's harder because a lot of it depends on others, you may do the right thing and it doesn't work, so it gets harder to know what is right
1st time i see saying about dont get towers. i know give the t1 make ez to farm and deny farm, but towers have to fall to get to nexus. when is correct and wrong to get them?
4:58 "top gap" jaksjkdjkasjdsal
I SWEAR on my life the majority of League players that ping objectives when the entire enemy team is nearby runs RAMBANT. Like just because drag/baron is up doesn't mean we need to get them IMMEDITELY
i mean you do have to get it immediately, especially most games you can oneshot drake with team after 25min so if you dont take over river vision under 1:30 obj timer then most likely you will lose drake/baron. in those cases, your macro brain should be telling you that you have to push lanes to create pressure to split your enemy before timer runs out, otherwise you lose your chances getting objective.
the amount of times my team has fought for some stupid reason but we wipe them 4/5 jungle being one of them and I ping obj, drag or baron and nobody rotates but as soon as the enemy is all alive again they want to ping and start rotating is way too high to count.
as a jungler i'm addicted to doing objectives, but i know EXP is King
I really like Perryjg, he preaches about just farming and relaxing. Also mutting players that annoy you 😅
Funny, because I mostly suck pre-14, then still win, abusing the fact that typically players suck after 14.
Skill Capped should be renamed content capped.
Your trynd example right from the get go was awful. You have a 2 level and 3 lead level diff on the enemy team which means in that game, you got fed by a troll in their team or their top trolled and let you farm to your hearts content. Then again you are trying to "teach" people that you otherwise assume are "braindead" and thus won't notice the little things, yikes.
This problem can easily be solved by adding voice com to league i really don't know why riot is so strict about adding voice com to game
"why are people good at laning but not at macro?"
i remembered that when i was playing dota2 with former pro player like 10 years ago, he said the same thing.
It's really easy honestly, laning is mostly technical theories that you can apply consistantly while macro is way more complex since it calls for your brain to make decisions, weigh them, simulate them and shit... Overall, being able to adapt to your current situation fast and efficiently, at least more than your opponents and that is hard work