Moving a John Deere backhoe and breaking it
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- 2018 video, Hooking a John Deere 2010 crawler loader to a backhoe attachment. And breaking the hydraulic pump in the process. I was waiting to get a clip of this thing fixed. But its still sitting in the same spot.
It takes a big, confident man to show everyone his successes and mistakes. Good man, Andrew! We live and learn.
Many machines are like that. A quick disconnect in the main hydraulic line. When you disconnected it, you could hear the load on the engine increase quite alot. That was a subtle hint to turn the engine off. Great vid! Thanks Andrew!!
Not so subtle. lol..
I would call it a "sudden hint... I could tell that he noticed too, because he paused for a second. My first thought was, that's a heavy load change---- a line is about to burst............. But I also understand why he didn't want to turn off the tractor-- because it was being hard to start.
A closed center system doesn't stall the the system like an open center system does.
Yeah... general rule: NEVER disconnect hydraulic fittings while the engine is running. At best, you will dead-head the pump and cook the hydraulic fluid by forcing it thru the relief valve; at worst there won’t be a relief valve and you will over pressurize the system causing something to immediately fail. In this case, it was the pump - might be just a shear pin, might be a blown seal, or you could have broken hard parts like the gear shafts. However, it could well have exploded in your face, had an older hose let go.
P.s. this applies to open-center systems. Closed-center systems have pumps that stop pushing fluid when the pressure reaches it’s cutoff limit. However, unless you know for sure what you are dealing with, it’s always a good idea to treat it as an open-center system to prevent accidents like this one. Also, open-center systems are much more common than closed-center ones.
This is exactly what happened to me. I disconnected return line from the backhoe and it blowed up oil filter (there's a filter on a backhoe), I lost five gallons of oil. That time I didn't realize why that happened. And then next time I did that - another filter blowed and I lost another 5 gallon bucket of oil. So after two ruined filters, two buckets of fluid and two ruined outfits (yes, I was covered in oil from head to toe) I realized why this happened.
Lesson I learned the hard way
Excellent comment @Dark Winter! 👍
Yeah.. It sounded pretty rough there just before he killed it. I'm not sure what type of pump it is, but it sounded more like some mechanical failure, rather than a blown seal; hopefully it is just a shear pin like you said-- but I bet there are scraps in the pump judging by the sound. fingers crossed I guess. I'm actually curious who is going to be paying for this, or how much its going to cost? No good deed goes unpunished. lol
Thanks for the great info
Showed this to a few other guys on the wind farm crew, the second you started turning the hydraulic hose.....all 3 mechanics on the team said something between "oh lord no....." and " NOOOOOOO!!!!!!"
I was screaming too lol. Once I heard the pump dead heading I knew there would be trouble
this week is better than Christmas with all the uploads
Agreed 🙏🙏🙌🙌
Yes im glad he started putting more videos out i love watching them
Yes YES
Ik right
Ikt
Disconnecting and trying to reconnect that hydraulic hose with the engine running had me jump back in my seat.
I was practically yelling at my screen haha. Was worried about the machine getting hurt and someone getting an injection injury or losing a limb. Shake hands with danger began to play.
I just saw the end of the video now. Damn that sucks. Oh well, mistakes happen. I spilled heating oil in my basement a week ago and it still smells like heating oil. kicking myself in the ass.
NoNonsenseKnowHow yeah. I was thinking it was like a skid steer accessory supply hose. Not the main feed or whatever off the pump.
@@AndrewCamarata got you. I heard the pump go under HEAVY load once disconnected and was worried that old hose would blow out. That's really cool that you share everything though. The good the bad the ugly. You're definitely going to get a lot of comments on this one! Good stuff and glad nobody was injured. Sucks about the pump. I wonder if it is because the pump flow was stopped in its tracks without a relief valve it just blew the inside of the pump apart?
NoNonsenseKnowHow maybe. It kinda worked a drop after. Enough to lift up the hoe to get the bottom hooks on. After that it stopped doing anything.
I really appreciate how Andrew shows his whole work experience in his videos whether he makes a mistake or not, defiantly a reason ill stay a fan
His casual approach to everything, and awesome knowledge...I find this guy fascinating,
Sam C AC is never fazed Nothing is beyond his capability As you say amazing skills 👍👍
It's amazing how far technology has come. With machines these days, it would take a few minutes to hook up a backhoe. Kudos to you for accomplishing something like that!
That rig has a lot of character, just like that guy helping you. They are made for each other!
My dear friend. Thousands of km away from you, from Turkey, I've been watching your videos continuously.
I was waiting for the bucket or something to snap off when you were dragging it, love the videos! Thanks for posting so many videos this week!
I can testify to the fact the crowd or dipper cylinder (the one which operates the joint in the center of the boom) on a Case backhoe cannot take this. Operators at work snap the eye off the shaft on that cylinder every time they forget to raise the rear boom before backing down trailer ramps.
Same here!
I wouldn't expect it to snap off, but this looks like the fastest way to get a bent hydraulic cylinder
thing was like a wounded scorpion returning from battle at the end xD
Yup or from a Friday night out on the town
What a legendary comment!!! gratz!!
@@Brandon-ch2ot **checks john deeres shirt for makeup stains**
Andrew saved a lot of people a bunch of grief by showing the mistake in the video, we all know now to turn off the heavy equipment 'before' disconnecting hydraulic hoses. Thanks, man.
very cool video! Its great to see your old track loader and even more awesome to see you helping the guy out to help him get the backhoe you found him awhile back.
Andrew, I tried to do virtually the same swap on my JD 350C, the backhoe was from a 300 JD rubber tired backhoe and I thought the same, that the track loader would run the backhoe, no problem, that's not so. The track machines have what is known as an 'open centered hydraulic system', means the fluid circulates anytime the machines run. The rubber tired machines have a 'closed centered system', they have pumps and valving that don't circulate the oil when running, only when you open a valve. They won't interchange by just putting the backhoe on, and everything be hunkydorry, and the valve from Vickers at that time (30 yrs. ago) that would allow it was cost prohibitive,( I think it still would be). What it did to my track machine was break the pump shaft just outside the pump when I first tried to crank it, had no hydraulics at all. I tried to use a selector valve to cut the backhoe out separately, still won't work. If this is what you've done,( break the pump shaft), don't put another on, and try to use the backhoe, it will break it too. What I finally did was hunt a valve body from an old Sherman backhoe that had 6 functions, (any backhoe valve body that used an 'open centered system' will work, and you can find one. I still had to use a selector valve to cut the backhoe off when using the machines hydraulics, because I couldn't at the time afford the pump that put out enough GPM that would run the blade and backhoe at the same time, fast enough. I'm looking at a valve body right now that 'SurplusCenter' in NE. sells new for just over $600 for 6 spools, that is a backhoe valve, but you can find this stuff used if you'll look. I am quite certain that this is what you done to this pump. If you don't understand what I mean when I'm talking about 'open centered' and 'closed center'? Your woodsplitter has an 'open centered' hydraulic system, the fluid is circulating all the time the engine runs. Your excavators have a 'closed centered' system. The only time the fluid moves in it is when you open a valve, calling for a cylinder to move this way or that, any other time the machine is running, the pump is just spinning in the oil. Don't let this be the same hard lesson to you that it was to me 30+ yrs. ago, and I hadn't been married long, but what it costs to fix things you broke from not knowing what was wrong with what you done, that's hard dollars for me to spend like that, I think you see what I'm talking about, when I tear something up because I'm using it too hard, I don't care to spend that money to fix it. But this kind of 'tearing up' can cost too much very soon! But you can fix this to work, pretty cheap and looks like the backhoe is pretty tight, well worth fixing. I'll be looking for you to get this back to digging. Something you need to invest in Andrew, if you have too, is 'Industrial Fluid Power' vol.1,2,3, would go a long ways toward making your hydraulic experiences with your equipment a lot less expensive. That 'Surplus Center' that I referenced earlier sells the books for about $40 a piece. Good Luck!
Great find, I’ll be waiting for part two! Thanks Andrew, stay safe 😷
This was 2 years ago, nothing has happened since thats why he put the video out.
I love watching this dudes videos. No bragging about money or spending 50 years asking people to buy merch, just a dude recording cool stuff.
Man you always do sketchy shit but it works in the end. Good for you.
Lol!
um ... did yo watch the video?"
He says this should work
Very Cool Find ! I would love to see that backhoe being fixed/or restored and being put to use...!
When you mentioned the backhoe in one of your older videos, I knew you were going to grab it eventually. Awesome content btw!
Glad to see you bought her back. Don't give up on her and put the time she needs to make it right. My father and I used to own a John deere 1966 350 track loader. Our neighbor had a 2010 just like the one you have. Don't give up on her those machines are very easy to work on and once you work out the kinks and rebuild the dash it will be a dream to operate. Very happy to see you got her back. I would love to see more videos of you using the 2010 and the D4. My father and i had a D3B and I remember getting a lot of use from those machines. Love everything you do keep up the amazing work. Please don't give up on her
Andrew: I bought something very cheap
Also Andrew: but I totally broke something very expensive
Also, its not his... so, no
@@calholli // 16 comments calholli? I think someone's in love.
@@DanKoning777 content creators wish to have that kind of engagement :D
@@HamburgerAmy // It was merely a joke, but since you mentioned it; calholli may be open to an engagement ;)
Don’t you ever get frustrated? You so calm and levelheaded.
Thanks for your videos
Sometimes he gets frustrated, but just a drop.
4 videos in a week? Man I love this new upload schedule
Great vids Andrew, hopefully we'll get to see the damaged pumps internals.
hmmm, our JD backhoe pump was $5000. I was wondering why someone would unhook threaded lines with the machine running. Threaded in my opinion means a no pressure unhook or you're about to hurt yourself.
it was when he did the quickdisconnect at 3:11 surely, crap design
caveman mechanic at his usual to bad there wasn't a chainsaw around to use it on this backhoe
@@janramonmartin Its just really outdated.
@@honkeytonk He was just there helping-- Its not his backhoe, the other guy was running the show.
@@honkeytonk must be tough tough being so perfect and an ahole at the same time
Needed to change out that hydraulic oil anyway.
Yup, looked milky as all get-out. Water contamination.
@@Porty1119 ,,,,did'nt mention the level of the oil or see him check the tank. I would have taken spare oil with me.
@@chascarpenter5006 7:09 Looks like he did just that. 👍
@@josephking6515 good catch
You need a diverter valve. My father was in the excavating business from about 1958 to 1984. He had a few 2010 JD's back in the days.
You are correct, someone must have removed the diverter valve from this machine. I was glad when later models came with an automatic diverter valve that would switch itself diverting pressure to the loader valve or the backhoe valve. This valve is not needed if the hydraulic system is what they call "closed centered" because the pump destrokes once the set pressure is reached.
I was literally just rewatching another Andrew Camarata video when I got the notification for this one.
I literally have trouble with my literal thoughts.
Its called addiction.
@@calholli No, ' cause Andrews' videos are 'literal addictions' !
The care and ease getting that back onto the trailer was at the least, inspirational!!..haha
lol.. Yeah, I felt like that little camper trailer was about to take a hit and run.
I don't care if you made a mistake on this Andrew, you always have a way out.
Thanks for sharing.
I was just sitting here watching one of your old videos _(Cutting in driveway drainage with bulldozer)_ refreshed your home page and saw you posted this.
Lovin' your vids Andrew, you're amazing
I honestly think that there is NOTHING you can’t do and you are so calm 😲.
My husband acts like he in charge at NASA when Apollo 13 was nearly lost when he puts a shelf up !!!
It did sound like it was struggling when you dethatched the 2 hoses, but my first thought was not blown pump. I was thinking it was very low on hydraulic fluid since it had to fill the back hoe assembly. Now, thinking about the sound from the pump, you might be exactly right.
Shake Hands With Danger: Part 2
just watched that old safety video a month or two ago lol pretty sure everyone who works around equipment at one point or another does things they probably shouldn't
He used to laugh at safety. Now they call him... 3 finger Andrew
That was a great safety film- I'll never grease linkages and bushings by hand, lol
Love that advanced start system 😂
Keyless starter, fancy!
Hi Andrew that John Deere track loader is complete and when the hydraulic pump is repaired and some protection for the driver is place, it sure will be a very useful piece of kit.
Andrew the drug dealer of ultimate vices; vintage john deere attachments.
When I was a kid the old timers used to say "That'll learn ya seen ya". Always amazes me how you include miss-haps to show you make them too plus not being embarrassed.
That's supposed to be dern ya not seen ya.
feeling like an early thanksgiving gift with all the nice sweet uploaded videos!:-)shame it ended up breaking, the whole system would of been an awesome piece of machinery to work with...
Andrew is trying to keep us bussy during NNN. Thank for your work.
162👍's up Andrew thanks again for taking the time for us all to see what you do for work
I'm in the process pf buying my own property at the moment. Some hills, a river next to it, some woods. Your videos inspired me to do this and move out of the city finally. One of the first things I'll get myself will be a skidsteer or some machine quite similiar to the one in this movie with this backhoe. I'll try to avoid Your mistake while handling it though. Thank You for sharing all the content, including the moments, where You do something whong. It help other to learn and avoid similiar mistakes. Cheers!@
You know it's serious business when the shirt comes off
or the blowtorch comes out
Love the video. Your so inspiring I hope to to work for my self one day.
Get up and do it then don't just write it do it start small work up to doing things like this
@@talen2232 hell ya brother I’m working on it I’m only sixteen so that kinda doesn’t help but I’m try
When I was 14 I was already working through the summer doing construction and walking walls on apartment buildings and setting floors. You gotta be able to look at work like its a competition. When you find your self in yet another hard day of lifting heavy weight all day and beating your body into the ground. You have to be able to view it in your mind as if you are just in the gym, putting in reps on the weights. Otherwise, backbreaking work will wear down your soul, and you will think of yourself as being enslaved--- and you won't want to do it. Inspiration is good for getting you started; but once you find yourself drowning in work, you have to have the right mindset, or you'll just end up telling yourself: "This isn't for me".. and maybe it isn't
Lately I've been running on UA-cam to see all of Andrew's videos.
Who can let such a awesome piece of machinery just sit for years like that. :(
0:18 I like the sounds the air brakes make on your F-800
Be good tunes to answer the phone? yes?
me too
I have a 1980 JD 550-C Bulldozer, a JD450 Track Front end loader and the 9300 Backhoe that attaches to both. They are in great condition and used at times on my property near Seward Alaska.
Another 11 minutes before i go to bed this guy motivates my channel
That backhoe attachment is so useful. Looking forward to part 2 ...
I guess I can wait another 11 minutes before I go to bed
Same
2x playback is your friend
Yes agreed
Use to have a John Deere 555-A track loader.1977... came with a 1 yard G.P. bucket... which I replaced with a 1-1/2 yard heavy duty 4/1 bucket... one of the best machines I ever owned...used it for ALOT of landclearing jobs....the clamshell bucket hauled more than it's share of big logs lengths through the swamps ... bought it used in 1993 and sold it in 2013.... It's one of those machines I wish I never sold. Anyway... thanks for the great video !! Take care Sir
I never see Andrew’s John Deere backhoe I wonder if he sold it? He needs do video on all his equipment again.
I have it. It likes to break though.
He showed how its not really all that useful for how cumbersome it is. I've always wanted one, but He's got me sold on a skid steer or little excavator instead.
@@AndrewCamarata Hey Andrew--- Maybe you should start a kickstarter and raise some money to fix this dozer-- and surprise the owner. What's the worse that could happen?-- I bet you would raise like $100k in no time.. lol.. ooops. Or Start your own patreon---- I hope you understand--- AVE channel is making $12k per month on patreon. I bet you would rake in between $5k and $10k right out of the gate. Your channel already has the following to do it.
@@calholli I’m pretty sure that he has a patreon, though I might be confusing him with another channel
@@AndrewCamarata Luckily, nothing runs like a Deere
Wow that is a sweet backhoe attachment it’s long as heck
Love these “B-roll” videos
I remember that from your video title how I got started in excavation
Guaranteed to break.
@@AndrewCamarata Do you know the specks on that pump?
Steve 1961P. No. It’s a John Deere 2010
Awesome that you have no problem showing your mistakes along the way. I praise your demeanor.
I'm sure the guy you sold the Dozer two originally is going to be so happy coming back like that
Good thing of you to share this video, it can help prevent others from making the same mistake, which seems easy enough to make on these machines. Also glad that hose was a champ, and didn't burst, squirting high pressure oil in your faces.
Im not sure how long this has been up online but I'm seeing 2272 views I just saw the notice.
Thank you for the video.
Thanks for making another track loader video, Andrew. Give Levi a hug for me.
At 6:25 Inspector Levi shows up and says "I remember this yellow thing from a few years ago. It used to belong to my human."
What he was really saying was,,dont forget to shut that off before you change the fittings. lol
@@bottomlands , oops, I think Levi's with Andrews Mom, That was Cody. Thanks ksfraz
@@bottomlands ,I only know 2 of his dogs and I didn't care about the date of the video, I just watch'em. Just say "A Dog" was inspecting the work.
@@genedameier8746 Pretending a dog is inspecting the job and talking, you must be under 10.
@@dept.ofredundancydept.94 ,You must be new to this channel. We (including Andrew) have a sense of humor. Andrew calls his dogs his "Lab Inspectors" and many commenters write funny "Dog says" lines. Andrew talks to his dogs as if they can understand him. He is very kind and playful with his dogs even when they get in the way. I suggest you watch the last few years worth of Andrew's videos and get a sense of humor. Life should be fun because it is short. Stay Safe.
Wow, just rewatched How I got started in excavation yesterday, where you talked about this backhoe
I wish our politicians were as honest as Andrew.
Now that's what i call CUSTOMER SERVICE... Andrew sold it 4 years ago and found an attachment for it and called the buyer to see if he wanted it... MAN I TELL YOU WHAT.... NOW we get to see another video of this getting repaired and putting it to work...... C'MON MAN YOU CAN"T BEAT THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE
You remind me of my dad, he was a butcher too
Yep, fix it or tear it up so bad that it must be replaced.
We had one of these for a skid-steer and it was a pain in the butt every time we wanted to use it.
Yeah. Good luck starting this thing. And it was rare to finish a job without it breaking.
You probably killed your pump because there was some nasty oil in that old backhoe which got run through the pump when you hooked it to the loader.
That's very interesting. I didn't know John Deere had backhoe. First time for me. Thank you again Andrew.
Feels weird to watch an incomplete camarata video. Lol
yes that sucks But Was always Told to turn Engine Off before Service and or Moving Machine.. Just One of them things I Guess You Live & Learn... Thanks Andrew
Removing hydro hoses while tractor on?
“Andrew” no problem lol
No better way to start the day! You are amazing Andrew the world need more people like you...your approach to everything is fascinating and you're not shy to point your mistakes...it make your channel all the more interesting to watch...well done as always ;-)
probably dead headed the pump when disconnecting those lines
No by pass relief
yeah.. I told him to start a kickstarter and we could all pitch in and get a new pump--- it doesn't really sit right with me that he broke the pump and didn't repair it... at least if it was me--- I would want to make it right. Then again, I dont' know the other guy that was there--- maybe he was the actual owner and it was his idea --- so he broke his own stuff. meh-- idk
this is why properly set up and functioning relief valves are a must. they save the pump and other expensive parts. I have made far worse mistake. its a learning curve.
I was lookin at that hydro oil and was like damn Andrew you gotta change that and remembered its not your dozer
I saw andrews vid of his pickup truck and how the heater and radio work, so I cant wait to see how he rigs a new pump!!!
Sh.. happens, Andrew
But you got the job done.
Buen video que demuestra que muchas veces hay que improvisar para salir de una situación difícil con pocos medios.
love your video ❤
Thanks. Is your thumbnail photo you?
@@AndrewCamarata yes
偏爱. You look super cute
@@AndrewCamarata Haha.Thank😁
AC you dog 🐕
Yes she is super cute 🥰
A real man owns up to mistakes and learns from them> Love all the vids Andrew!
When will the video of refurbishing the f800 come out?
pretty sure its an f800
@@calholli yea your right my fault
I love working with people who noisily mark progress with small grunts and mumbles. Love it.
New catch phrase - "Why do these things always happen to me?" ....lol.
A track machine with a backhoe is really useful. I don't know why they were not more popular.
WE KNOW U R BUSY, BUT KEEP UP THE CONTENT OUTPUT AND THANK YOU!
That's the way nearly every farm/utility tractor hydraulic systems are. They have a "Power Beyond" open loop that is always pumping fluid thru the front loader valve, rear remote valves, & backhoe control valve (if equipped with a backhoe) I have a 2018 Kubota MX5200 with a backhoe, & even with a new, modern day machine with this kind of system you MUST shut the engine off when uncoupling the hoses to take the backhoe on or off or you will burn up the pump real quick. Learning experience though, but can't be too careful when working on hydraulics!
Andrew and OSHA....... may they never meet
May anyone that gets work done NEVER meet OSHA--- inspectors are a productive mans worst nightmare. Ask me how I know.
How do you know?
@@davidmorse8432 rhetorically answer
@@calholli ok, I will let you off the hook then. 🙂
Andrew sorry to hear about your pump. I have gotten into trouble helping out friends. I was always told no good deed goes unpunished.
Painful hearing that pump die
I can't believe it doesn't have a bypass or a high pressure shut off or something?? weird.
@Corsair Chip and just like those woman, you can't rely on them
@@calholli Touché !
Pretty costly mistake doing that hose under pressure, sorry to see that. Lots of vids coming out though so keep them coming, thanks Andrew.
Shout out to that boy Levi where ever he's at 👌🏼👌🏼
This is Sadie
@@AndrewCamarata do you like track loaders more than wheel loaders?
Sam B track loaders are good if you’re working on soft ground.
@@AndrewCamarata yeah I agree
Andrew Camarata did it get rebuilt? Also did you just ship out my order I was hoping you saw the text I had attached to it
My Dad had the exact same set up in the late 70s early 80s. Thats the unit I learned to operate. Thanks!
How much is a bucket of hydraulic oil and a can of starting fluid? C'mon man.
This week really has been great. Thanks for all of the videos Andrew.
I saw them, yelled and they kept on breaking it.
It to bad its still sitting there not being used, you still have your green machine, thanks for the sharing.
Andrew, please just once, get like 10 cans of yellow spray paint and make it look new 😭, it will change the whole look
Why should he paint someone else's equipment?
You are a crazy crazy man with big balls! I love your giver attitude!