Massey Ferguson 165 Hard Start - Adjusting the Valves and Replacing the Head Gasket
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2020
- I adjust the valves and replace the head gasket on a Massey Ferguson 165 diesel tractor to try fixing a hard start condition.
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Is it just me, these videos seem super crystal clear and enhanced contrast. It’s nice. Just an example of attention to detail
This video may save my tractor. I have a water leak that all attempts to plug have failed. While watching your video, the water is coming from the same place your leak was. In the next couple of weeks, I will be tearing down my Massey 165 from the top to determine if I have a head gasket problem or a cracked head issue. It will be my first major tractor fix since buying this 20 years ago. I expect your video will help me through it and hopefully end up with only a gasket repair as yours was. I will report back but I wanted to say thank you for putting this out there - it gives me hope for a good result. Thank you
Love your videos. One thing I always did after opening up an engine was as final step was change the oil regardless of how old the oil was. Junk can easily get down inside. Love to see more of the tractor
That's actually a great idea. I haven't put a ton of hours on it since the rebuild, but I think I will go ahead and change the oil 👍
This tractor brings back many memories. I have grow up in a farm and grow up in a MF 178 Multipower. I started to drive tractor when I was 6 years old. This tractor are greate tractors. Solid and dependable.
Great job Waldo ! Thanks for taking us along on this repair . You are doing good videos !
Thanks, and thanks for joining me!
I have a Massey 150 that I suspect has a blown head gasket. I’ll be tackling that project soon and your video is immensely helpful!
Cool tractor. Enjoy all your videos. The 6.5 caught my attention as I have a 97 K3500 crew cab long bed, but I've enjoyed all of your content. Nice job 👌
Thanks! Nice, the crew cab long beds are pretty awesome!!
Got to see more on this tractor! Awesome video. I love your ability to just go and tackle these things. They seem intimidating and you just push forward and get it done! That’s awesome!
You should probably change the stud that the nut was cross-threaded on. When changing out a head for any reason it's always a good idea to actually replace your head bolts or studs since they have already been stretched and barring that the next best thing is to run a thread chaser "tap or die" to make sure your threads are clean and you can torque them down evenly.
Absolutely fantastic video keep up the great work man
Thanks, Cory!
Awesome. I found your channel while researching / learning about 6.5 turbo diesels. I have a new to me a few months ago, 1994 C3500 6.5 turbo diesel 5 speed crew cab dually . But I have plans on buying a used tractor at some point. Would like to see more about the tractor. Love your channel. Very informative. Keep up the great work.
Collecting tractors is an addition. Watch the rabbit hole. Lol. I have 13. Love the videos. I wouldn’t bother with loader on your 165. The backhoe got you covered. Look at getting a skid steer you’ll never go back. Keep up the good work.
Yeah, I would love to know how many tractors I'll end up with in the future. I acknowledge the possibility that it could be "too many" 😂
My go to video as I had the exact same head gasket blow out between cylinders 3-4 on my Massey 165. Great advice on cleaning the stud threads as I had 4 stud holes blocked with carbon around 2 cylinders from a previous rebuild that made lifting the head off a 4 hour headache.
Yes excellent video thank you , yes I have Perkins 4.108 and 4.203 great engines the 4.108 has covered over 200 K trouble free miles , I think you are correct with the stud issue related to valve clearance settings changing, hope all well now , look forward to next video I always watch out for
Thanks, Steve! Oh nice, mine is a 4.203 as well!
Good evening mr cool guy 😎 My late father worked for Massey Ferguson tractor 🚜 parts devision in Trafford Park Manchester England 🏴 after world war 2 It was one of the biggest warehouse for tractor parts 👍🏻 Cheers Stevie 🏴
Great job, I figured the valve adjustment only being 2 or 3 thousands of an inch off is not going to make that big of a difference Glad you kept going to find the problem, To me it looked like the head gasket was melted perhaps someone in the past ran out of coolant
fantastic vid , i have spent hours driving a MF 165 , they are great tractors
Thanks! Yeah, they are awesome!
Excellent video Waldo! I would have done essentially the same thing as you! Very entertaining and relaxing watching you because I have been there and also because everyone has their own way of doing things. I will be anxious for a new video from you!
Thank you so much, Zack!!
Hi Waldo, I love the music that you play on your videos.
15:24 IT'S ALIIIIVE! These old Massey Ferguson tractors are the best. If taken care of, they will last generations. I'm presently restoring/refurbishing an old MF290. Hoping to upload some videos as I go along.
Just found your channel. Wish I had found it earlier... Having a great binge on them catching up from the very first. Great videos, really enjoying them way down here in the South Island of NZ. Well produced, not too long and I love that you include your learning mistakes as well. Lots of MFs out here in NZ. Spent quite a bit of time on a MF 135 driving for a major NZ food production company. Our ones were Multipowers which double the number of ratios (16?) Quite fast for them time on the road. Keep up the great work! Love the variety of things you work on! You are a bit like one of our guys who produces great videos called Marty T where he fixes cheap and abandoned machinery - look him up if you haven't found him. A kindred spirit to you!
Great Job. Ever thought of getting a ski steer? It may be a little hard on the grass, but would do well on your property.
Great video. Love the tractor content
Nice video Waldo. The MF sounds great now. You have a lot of patience to do that rebuild. Well done. And now there’s snap your fingers mechanic work. I’m looking forward to seeing the MF and Dino working in action.
Thanks, Scott! I'm also looking forward to getting some tractor work done!
Informative as usual Waldo. Thanks
Thank you!
great job waldo
Beauty of a tractor ❤
Blimey that's a bit of a British classic!!
You seem to be a nice guy an you did a great job! Very nice Video!
Great videos, i like videos like this because i am born and rased in farm. My father still farmig but i work in earth moving company. I an driving cat 950gc loader and cat 316F excavator. Greetings from finland! 🇫🇮
Not sure how i ended up here but i had a good time. Really hope i can escape the city and have a tractor one day, until then I'll play FS22
Excellent video.👍🏼
love the new videos thanks
Great video!
Please, More videos about your work with these machines.
Good job 👏
Just happened this summer to a friend in the U.k. crossed the starter whilst in gear crushed by own tractor. Two helicopters one land ambulance one paramedic three fire engines + police and then some bods from health and safety ,hospital for six months came out just before Christmas.Now on road to recovery as they say danger never takes a day off.
Great video
Good job 👍
Best tractor.
Very good informative video, did you use any sealant on the new headgasket.
Love it. Thx
Someone overdosing with ether will blow a gasket like that. Too much ether will literally lift the head off the block.
Hmm, that's a good point! I don't think I used ether on it though...it typically starts right up since the rebuild.
“If she’s not red, keep her in the shed
If she’s blue, she won’t do” - Old Irish Proverb
Nice traktor
great job, get it fixed now rather than major repair later
Just about to say put a loader on but u all ready said it 😂
Was the loader ever on it? I thought I saw it in the background on one of your later videos it actually reminds me of a 70hp tractor I'm looking at buying that has a loader that isn't currently mounted. I'd like to see it shown in a video I bet it would be cool to have when you do need it it's a perfect size for a loader tractor I think.
How is the repair holding up after this time? Did you check the block and cylinder head for warping with a straight edge? I have the same tractor in a backhoe frame.
The 65 and 165 are Massey best tractors. Ether is major no no for starting cold tractors. Could be water got in the exhaust sitting outside. The front axles don't like wheel weights just to let you know
Okay, I have the same tractor and 203, but replacing the head as it is cracked. How do you know top dead center when setting the valve lifters?
Put 80 ft lounds on the head studs. I did on mine, no problem.
Good to know! Thanks! 👍
Hi Waldo I have a 1967 MF 165 54 horse power
Hey, Waldo. Do you know a Rachel Gingell?
Are y'all related?
Cause you all are really good with tractors.
Hey waldo ! Ive got an mf 165 multipower and my problem is that it puts out alot of smoke, looks like a steam angine, and is a littlebit slow/weak. Could this be the fuel injectors that are "clogged" ?
great video, If i find the time I will go thru mine this winter !
What color is the smoke? Blue is burning engine oil, black is over-fueling, and gray/white is often a dirty/stuck injector, although it yours is down on power, check the coolant level to see if there's a blown head gasket causing coolant to leak into the cylinder
@@WaldosWorld smoke is gray so probably injectors then..
Guess I Will find out !
Thanks for the Quick reply :)
Hi Waldo, would you know the socket size for the main pulley.? I have a Messy Ferguson 165 Multipower A-212 perkins diesel that i will need to access timing cover to remove leaking injector pump.
I know it's a pain but you need to get the engine hot and retorque that cylinder head while hot. Perkins heads need to be retorqued after they get hot.
Waldo how does one adjust the brakes on a MF65, it had a differential change, now the brakes do not have free play, they are too tight, there is not play, brake wont return after pressing
I am checking into buying a MF165 the concern is the guy told me you have to use ether to start it. What should compression be on those tractors? If I was to test it. Thanks
I don't know exactly what the compression should be, but if you have to use ether, then the compression is low. A rebuild is probably in order, but luckily these old diesels are relatively simple to rebuild. The hardest part is pressing in the new cylinder linings, but you can stick the linings in the freezer overnight and then carefully hammer them in
The 4.203 seen here was a much smoother running and torquey engine than the later 4.212. I think the Coventry built ones changed from 203 to 212 around 1968 if not sooner.
Interesting, thanks for the comment!
@@WaldosWorld
The 212 has the exhaust on the right and is a short stroke version of the 236, which is the most common variant. None of the 212 have balancer units as far as I know. The 248 is a slightly wider bore variant of the 236. Both 236 and 248 had the option of balancers, fitted to higher revving applications like combines it was standard. Later balancers became standard on tractors as well and the 212 was dropped and never used in the 500 series as far as I know. I think that the 203 was dropped from the MF line when the 212 took over. Before then it was also fitted to some UK built International tractors due to a shortage of their own engines.
212 had more grunt.
ROPS not required in the USA?
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Did you change damaged head gasget neither saw nor hear from it, and also i have been told you must change it when it opens , whether damaged or not , is it true
Yes, you have to put a new one in if the head is taken off
Cheap modern head gaskets for these older tractors seem to be poor quality, I also recommend using a small wire wheel to clean head studs in situ either on a drill or air die grinder before re-assembling
Make more videos!
so why measure the push rod gap and not the valve to rocker arm gap? if pivot point is not exactly centered, the gap will not be correct at the valve stem.
Porque un tractor igualito al tuyo avienta aceite por el escape esta reparado en general todo aque se debe y solucion
How much for a trakter like that
I paid $4000. It came with a loader, a rotary cutter, and a spare set of wheels and almost new tires 🤠
How many hp is a 203 engine?
58 HP
adjust the gap on the valve stem not on the push rod adjustment
Need to branch out to 2 cylinder deere tractors
How many hp?
58
Looks if you were turning the locknut the wrong way
For bigger tractor get Massey Ferguson 265. For smaller tractor get a Ferguson TO-35.
Your tractor has a gross engine horsepower of 58.3 so it would be handy to have another smaller tractor with around 20 hp it can do an awful lot of work and be half the cost or less operating than your Massey Ferguson. Also on our farm we always keep at least one tractor that is above the hundred horsepower.
Hmm, have you thought of a Patrron account for us to help support your channel? Maybe provide those who subscribe and pay earlier access?
Waldo, Not telling a man what to do, but please don't stand in front of the tire when working/starting tractor! It's too easy to knock it into a gear when mounting or getting off, causing it to lunge forward ! Just trying to help.....
No, you're right about that. I just replaced the ignition switch so I won't have to jump the terminals on the starter solenoid anymore. That being said, I always double checked to make sure it was out of gear before starting.
@@WaldosWorld my great uncle got killed doing that same thing
As long as the neutral safety switch hasn’t been bypassed it’s ok to crank it standing on the ground when using the key. The neutral safety switch won’t allow for the tractor to crank with the key unless the high / low range selector shift is in the neutral position. It won’t crank in gear with the key even with a bad neutral safety switch. Outside of pulling the tractor off, which doesn’t apply in this situation here. A bypassed ( jumped ) neutral safety switch or jumping the starter terminals with a screwdriver are the only 2 ways in will crank while being in gear !!
Yet regardless of that, it’s still always best to crank something from the seat if you’re able too !!!
203 Perkins is gay,212 is macho man broh 😂😂😂
I guess I better get a 212, be cause I could use all the macho I can get 😂
@@WaldosWorld 203 53hp,212 65 to 70hp,236 65 to 78hp, 203 is gay Like🤔🤣🤣🤣😂😂💨💨
@@WaldosWorld hard to find 212 now ,I have 236 and 248 same fuel economy but more torque and more durability and less problems 👌💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾 ,England verssion the best!
I’m not trying to be a keyboard expert but it looks to me like you’re putting too much drag on feeler gauges. There should be drag, but very little. I’m sure it doesn’t matter for this engine because the tolerance is a range. Just an observation.
Sell me that tracter I am from Belize
Fergusons just dont change much lol i have a massey Ferguson 240 and it looks exactly the same its an2003 model