Insightful discussion with moral clarity. Having had a profound conversion 16 years ago during a pilgrimage, where God intervened through our Blessed Mother to save my marriage, I have a sense that the world is slipping into a moral crisis under our current pontificate. Pray for the conversion of hearts to know and respect the sacredness of marriage and the sanctity of life. God bless!
Thank you Raymond and Fr. Murray for this very informative and interesting talk. God bless all involved 🙏 Jesus. Mary, and Joseph we trust in you. Best wishes from Scotland 🙏🏴❤️🩵❤️🙏🙏✝️
Praise the Lord God our Father. Lord show us your mercy and heal our ailments. Protect us against Corona Virus Pandemic. For our family and near and dear ones. For our spiritual and temporal wants. For the Pope bishops priests religious and all Catholics of the world. Thanksgiving for favours received. Thank you Jesus thank you Holy Father
I’m not concerned with protestant heretics, but what we can do to reunite with our Eastern Brethren…. It saddens me that our Great Church is divided into two……
I must be a Heretic, according to you. I believe my righteousness is " Christ and him crucified ". The Apostle Paul must also must be a Heretic also, he also said his righteousness is" Christ and him crucified ".
@mikepennn Taking ONE thing St. Paul says and running with it like it's the full gospel... typical of protestants. Yes, you are a heretic, as I once was. Good news, though... you can convert. Don't take being called a heretic as an insult but something YOU need to change regarding your faith and doctrines. I was a protestant and converted, as many others have.
You can be Christian or you can be non-Christian. Being a Gay Roman Catholic Seminarian is someone who is sexually active. Priests in RC are supposed to be celibate (not just unmarried but sexually inactive). If they aren't prepared to be chaste then they should withdrawal from the seminary. That goes for those who are already ordained as well. They must be completely chaste or resign.
Let your YES be yes and NO be no more than that comes from the evil one. I believe in the Traditional handed down from our fore father's not the modern confused fathers
I never cease to be amazed by the words and actions of this Pope. The world is confusing enough. We need clarity in the Catholic Church, not this twisted, word salad of confusion, division and non Catholic rhetoric from this pontificate and his cronies.
I think that you mean “chaste” not celibate. The word “celibate” means not married. In the past, of course, it was simply assumed that if someone professed to be a Christian, if he or she was not in a valid marriage, he would not be committing mortal sin by engaging in sexual relations outside a valid marriage. So, in common usage, saying that someone was “unmarried” implied (if he or she was a Christian) that he was living a “chaste” life. Now, of course, the fact that someone is not in a valid marriage is not seen as automatically implying that he or she is living a chaste life, so referring to someone as “unmarried” or “celibate” is not really of much use. We need to know whether the person is, or is not, “chaste” not whether he or she is or is not married.
@@Mark3ABE I think you mean not to correct me. You've got it backwards. Perhaps you should look up basic definitions before writing a tome. Not to mention, even if I were wrong you know what the intent of my post is. WE DONT NEED TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A PRIEST'S SEXUALITY.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJV Bible “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”
It is correct to exclude homosexuals from the priesthood and, therefore, also from seminaries. Seminarians are our future spiritual shepherds, after all. How will they preach and forgive sins impacting the Catholic family and human relationships if they insist on being gay. The word the Holy Father used may have been a bit pejorative, but he certainly had a message in mind, namely, that Fiducia Supplicans must not be allowed to taint the sacred status of being a priest. Even of gays may be plessed, a priest must remain pure of heart and a person dedicated solely to God. Mary Anne Buhagiar, Malta.
For those of you who would like some perspective on this new document, research a book written by the Archbishop of Vancouver, J. Michael Miller, that's called, "What are they saying about the Papacy?" It articulates the theological framework for the "ecumenical theology" underpinning this new document. Lastly, this is aimed at returning the Lutheran's and the Anglican's to Rome; the Orthodox are not a serious concern to Rome.
"Controversy, at least in this present age, does not lie between the hosts of heaven, Michael and His Angels on one side, and the powers of evil on the other; but it is a sort of night battle, where each fights for himself, and friend and foe stand together. When men understand what each other mean, they see, for the most part, that controversy is either superfluous or hopeless.” (J.H. Newman, ‘University Sermons’ pg. 193]
“Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church”. This hierarchy has served well for 2000 yrs. This system has kept the dogma pure. The early church fathers did not change teaching when the Heracles arose but met as a body and with prayer discerned Church teaching. Are we forgetting the direction of the Holy Spirit? “United we stand; divided we fall “. Evil prefers division. This Pope continues to divide. Even his statements to “unite” are said in ways to divide- double speak which nullifies their meanings.
Homilies are all about content inspired by The Holy Spirit through the gospels. Not their duration. Jesus himself spent many hours preaching every day and that was beside scriptural readings. The Truth will always keep people's attention regardless of duration.
An 8 min sermon with direct succinct subject matter will probably sound harsh. It preach truth with kindness takes time for explanation to gain acceptance. 20 minutes is the accepted time frame for adult attention span. People are leaving the Church and going to the non- denominational churches where the sermons are 45+ minutes. People want meat and not intro to subject matter left unexplained.
Everything the pope does is confusing. The double talk and documents. It was giving me anxiety so I personally don’t listen to him anymore but follow the truth in the gospels, pray and deepen my personal relationship.
Read CCC 2478. It explains how you are to handle this problem you are having. It avoids the sins in CCC 2477. We don’t jump from ambiguity to heresy. We don’t jump from “that looks odd” to burning witches like what the Puritans did in Salem. We give the benefit of the doubt and ask if there are any questions. We then give the answer the benefit of the doubt. This is how we love our neighbor.
The definition of the dogma of “Papal Infallibility” by the First Vatican Council was highly problematic. The Archbishop of Paris spoke out the most strongly against it. Some of the American Bishops said that they thought the proposed new dogma to be blasphemous. Not all Bishops attended the Council, because of the military situation - some left early, before the vote on the new dogma, to avoid being trapped in a possible siege of Rome. After the definition of the novel dogma, some English Catholics left to join the Old Catholics. A compromise was reached to prevent further defections. The dogma would remain “on the books” but would never be invoked. It never has been invoked. By the time Pope John XXIII was elected in 1958 it had become a “dead letter”. Pope John stated formally that he would never invoke the dogma. Cardinal Fernandez recently stated that Pope Francis would never invoke the dogma. However, it still remains, a relic of the injured pride of Pope Pius IX who, smarting from his loss of temporal status following the annexation of Rome and Lazio by King Victor Emanuel II in 1870, attempted to boost his status by attempting to enhance his spiritual authority. It was intended as a snub by the Pope to the King, who had earlier offered the Pope a compromise - abdicate voluntarily and the King would, in return, legislate to confirm his position as Primate of All Italy. The Pope responded by saying that he would define his own authority - he probably went a little too far! The Pope ordered the Swiss Guard into action - 29 were killed before he finally gave the order to surrender. Until 1929, the Papacy had no temporal authority. Pope Francis now wishes to formally confirm that he is a temporal ruler, a Prince, sovereign of the tiny relic of “the donation of Constantine” entitled to the same status as any other world ruler. He is Bishop of Rome, Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Rome, Primate of All Italy, President of the Italian Episcopal Conference. He wants a novel title. Not “Vicar of Christ” in the Universal Church, but “Patriarch of the West” instead. There is some historical justification - until 1453, when the City finally fell to the Turks, the Christian Roman Emperor held the title “Vicar of Christ”. The Bishop of Rome had only the Petrine Ministry of “confirming the brethren” - keeping the Church free of doctrinal error. He had no authority of an administrative nature over his fellow Bishops, as far as the Eastern Church was concerned. The Eastern Church was very dismissive of the title assumed by the former Barbarians “Holy Roman Emperor”. They watched with amazement as the Pope and the Emperor squabbled over temporal and spiritual matters. In the East, the Emperor and the Patriarch co existed peacefully.
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You say that the Emperor and the Patriarch co-existed peacefully in the East. Have you read any history?
Today, Emperor Xi argues with the Pope over the running of the new “Patriotic Church” (a wing of the Communist Party) in China. Sadly, Xi will win. Unfortunately, unlike the Christian Roman Emperors in Constantinople, Xi is an atheist.
@@ΑλξΠλξ The Church was, undoubtedly, one before 1054. After that, the Eastern and Western branches of the Church divided. The Eastern branch took the view that it was impossible to hold an Ecumenical Council unless every Bishop in the Church attended, or, at least, was invited to attend. Since this was no longer possible after the Great Schism, they took the view that they would accept only the first Seven Ecumenical Councils of the Church as valid and binding. Fortunately, these Councils, when the Church remained undivided, decided most important matters of doctrine, such as the Trinity, the Divinity of Christ, etc. Later Councils were held only in the Western Church. The most significant of these was, of course, the Council of Trent, which dealt with the criticisms raised against the Church by the Protestant Reformers. Since there was no similar Reformation in the East, the findings of this Council, which did not more than simply restate existing doctrine, in a way which excluded the Protestant errors, are not directly relevant to the Eastern Churches.
The Pope should be concerned on Saving Souls, teaching and living the One true Church Our Alford Jesus Christ created. Jesus played down his Life to make salvation possible for all people. We are to live in this world Not of It, Pope Francis and those around him appear to be starting a New Religion instead of walking away like the Protestants did. I cannot follow this Pope and his Regime which is destroying the Teachings of Christ. 🙏🙏 For their conversion and perseverance to stay faithful to the Teachings of Jesus and the True Magisterium that lasted until this Pope. I cannot believe the evil we are living in today yet I know Our Blessed Mother has been sent by God Many times to warn us about these times since the 1500s in EQUADOR.
Of course they do not believe to reach an agreement with the Protestant churches. If they discuss dogmas it is to convince us that they are not Divine Revelation, and therefore immutable, but rather human thought and therefore changing over time. The goal is the way.
It was not a good idea to forbid married men to access to the lower clergy in the 11th century, from a mathematical point of view. It reduced the pool of potential priests and raised the % of men with abnormal tendencied among the priests. Simple arithmetic issue.
Indeed - the secular clergy were, generally, married in the Western Church until the later Middle Ages. With the flowering of Monasticism, Franciscans and Dominicans travelled from parish to parish renewing the spiritual life of the Church. These celibate Priests contrasted with the often lazy and worldly secular clergy, more concerned about their wives and families, in many cases, than the spiritual good of their flock. Simony was rife. The Parish Priest would pass on his “living” to his eldest son - often having no vocation to the Priesthood. Introducing the discipline of celibacy for the secular clergy was seen as a way of improving the spiritual life of the Church. However, as Pope Benedict XVI points out in his final book “What is a Christian”, by the 1980s, the experiment had failed. The Seminaries were homosexual clubs, where the seminarians advanced their careers by sleeping with their teachers. When Pope Francis was informed that Cardinal McCarrick, as Rector of a seminary, required young seminarians to sleep with him if they wished to become his “favourites” and advance their careers, the Pope responded that he saw nothing wrong with that, since the seminarians were adults, not children. He only laicised Cardinal MCCarrick when the civil authority prosecuted him for child sex abuse. At that time, the Pope was trying not to “rock the boat”. Now, he has had enough. As Primate of All Italy and President of the Italian Bishops Conference, having personal direct responsibility for the seminaries in Italy, he has finally said “basta” - there is too much “gaiety” amongst the Italian clergy. He used a less polite word than “gaiety”.
@@Mark3ABE So, a thousand and more years ago the serfs, farmers, herdsmen, shepherds, fishermen, tradesmen of medieval society were fat, lazy and worldly because they had a wife and family of kids?
Non-starter with Protestants. Orthodoxy won't accept it either. DOA, and if the RCC spent years on this, it is years of time wasted on this because it is going nowhere.
does james martin believe in original sin?? does he believe maybe the fall from grace includes the temptation and the falling into sexual homosexual relationships…who engage in this practise???
Do people have free will or not? Why should the Catholic church or any church for that matter block the secular public from access to services they seem necessary for their own lives? Keep your rules and guidance for your followers, leave the secular world alone 😊
"vulgar expression"? They are vulgar. The Pope was right and never should have to apologize for it. He finally does a little thing not anti woke and he gets admonished for it. Gay lifestyles are vulgar. That is true. Decency owes not one apology to vulgarity.
At 7:24: "I'm also wondering, why is it that comedians who're propagandists for abortion were invited? Would they also invite comedians who were, y'know, issuing gay slurs?" Hey, Fr. Murray, did you forget? _Pope Francis_ is expected to attend. So, looks like they _did_ invite a comedian who issues gay slurs! Amirite? (More seriously: Pope Francis discomfited the _conservatives_ and _traditionalists_ with his inconsistency first, because they're more sensitive to inconsistencies. But it's nice to see him also bewildering and befuddling the cafeteria-dissenter crowd, now. By the time his papacy ends, I expect _everyone_ will be tired of all the drama. Is Pope Francis's papacy not, in some ways, the Argentinian/Catholic version of Trump's political career? Those guys need to go bowling, sometime.)
One of them is a supposed Catholic, who took his children to a gay pride parade, which, in my opinion opinion of many other people is outright child abuse. Exposing your children to that filth is a mortal sin
Greg Gutfeld is a mean-spirited political comedian hardly worthy enough of mention by the most conservative group of church commentators as this. They would do well to allow a bit of humor into their lives and cease being so demanding of people
Thank you Raymond and Fr. Murray for tackling the talk that comes out both sides of the Pope's mouth.
Insightful discussion with moral clarity. Having had a profound conversion 16 years ago during a pilgrimage, where God intervened through our Blessed Mother to save my marriage, I have a sense that the world is slipping into a moral crisis under our current pontificate. Pray for the conversion of hearts to know and respect the sacredness of marriage and the sanctity of life. God bless!
Thank you Raymond and Fr. Murray for this very informative and interesting talk. God bless all involved 🙏 Jesus. Mary, and Joseph we trust in you. Best wishes from Scotland 🙏🏴❤️🩵❤️🙏🙏✝️
Great conversation, Raymond!
Praise the Lord God our Father. Lord show us your mercy and heal our ailments. Protect us against Corona Virus Pandemic. For our family and near and dear ones. For our spiritual and temporal wants. For the Pope bishops priests religious and all Catholics of the world. Thanksgiving for favours received. Thank you Jesus thank you Holy Father
I’m not concerned with protestant heretics, but what we can do to reunite with our Eastern Brethren…. It saddens me that our Great Church is divided into two……
I must be a Heretic, according to you. I believe my righteousness is " Christ and him crucified ". The Apostle Paul must also must be a Heretic also, he also said his righteousness is" Christ and him crucified ".
@mikepennn Taking ONE thing St. Paul says and running with it like it's the full gospel... typical of protestants. Yes, you are a heretic, as I once was. Good news, though... you can convert. Don't take being called a heretic as an insult but something YOU need to change regarding your faith and doctrines. I was a protestant and converted, as many others have.
Burgoglio if nothing else is a terrible vicar of Christ, he truly reflects the times we live in.
Go vomit with Secevacantists. You are not Catholic. You never learned it.
You can be Christian or you can be non-Christian. Being a Gay Roman Catholic Seminarian is someone who is sexually active. Priests in RC are supposed to be celibate (not just unmarried but sexually inactive). If they aren't prepared to be chaste then they should withdrawal from the seminary. That goes for those who are already ordained as well. They must be completely chaste or resign.
Let your YES be yes and NO be no more than that comes from the evil one. I believe in the Traditional handed down from our fore father's not the modern confused fathers
The devil knows his time is short. Jesus said, except those days be shortened, no flesh will be left.
I never cease to be amazed by the words and actions of this Pope. The world is confusing enough. We need clarity in the Catholic Church, not this twisted, word salad of confusion, division and non Catholic rhetoric from this pontificate and his cronies.
This "Pope". Seriously.
Thank you EWTN for remaining Catholic in this crazy era ♥️
They are not Catholic. They promote the anti-Catholic Novus Ordo Modernist religion.
The Church shouldn't bend to the times.
We don't need to know that a priest is heterosexual or gay! We just need to know they're celibate.
I think that you mean “chaste” not celibate. The word “celibate” means not married. In the past, of course, it was simply assumed that if someone professed to be a Christian, if he or she was not in a valid marriage, he would not be committing mortal sin by engaging in sexual relations outside a valid marriage. So, in common usage, saying that someone was “unmarried” implied (if he or she was a Christian) that he was living a “chaste” life. Now, of course, the fact that someone is not in a valid marriage is not seen as automatically implying that he or she is living a chaste life, so referring to someone as “unmarried” or “celibate” is not really of much use. We need to know whether the person is, or is not, “chaste” not whether he or she is or is not married.
@@Mark3ABE I think you mean not to correct me. You've got it backwards. Perhaps you should look up basic definitions before writing a tome. Not to mention, even if I were wrong you know what the intent of my post is. WE DONT NEED TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A PRIEST'S SEXUALITY.
How about knowing a priest believes in and practices all of the true, Catholic faith? None attached to Rome do.
That doesn’t work, homosexuals tend to abuse. Being celibate it’s enough. They are not fit for ministry.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJV Bible
“Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”
It is correct to exclude homosexuals from the priesthood and, therefore, also from seminaries. Seminarians are our future spiritual shepherds, after all. How will they preach and forgive sins impacting the Catholic family and human relationships if they insist on being gay. The word the Holy Father used may have been a bit pejorative, but he certainly had a message in mind, namely, that Fiducia Supplicans must not be allowed to taint the sacred status of being a priest. Even of gays may be plessed, a priest must remain pure of heart and a person dedicated solely to God. Mary Anne Buhagiar, Malta.
😮true!
Lavender Mafia needs to be out! St. Peter Damian, ora pro nobis
For those of you who would like some perspective on this new document, research a book written by the Archbishop of Vancouver, J. Michael Miller, that's called, "What are they saying about the Papacy?" It articulates the theological framework for the "ecumenical theology" underpinning this new document. Lastly, this is aimed at returning the Lutheran's and the Anglican's to Rome; the Orthodox are not a serious concern to Rome.
Thank you, I appreciate the reading recommendation.
"Controversy, at least in this present age, does not lie between the hosts of heaven, Michael and His Angels on one side, and the powers of evil on the other; but it is a sort of night battle, where each fights for himself, and friend and foe stand together. When men understand what each other mean, they see, for the most part, that controversy is either superfluous or hopeless.” (J.H. Newman, ‘University Sermons’ pg. 193]
“Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church”. This hierarchy has served well for 2000 yrs. This system has kept the dogma pure. The early church fathers did not change teaching when the Heracles arose but met as a body and with prayer discerned Church teaching. Are we forgetting the direction of the Holy Spirit? “United we stand; divided we fall “. Evil prefers division. This Pope continues to divide. Even his statements to “unite” are said in ways to divide- double speak which nullifies their meanings.
Although papal 'supremacy' rather than 'primacy' is a heresy not understood by the Church of the first few hundred years.
Homilies are all about content inspired by The Holy Spirit through the gospels. Not their duration.
Jesus himself spent many hours preaching every day and that was beside scriptural readings. The Truth will always keep people's attention regardless of duration.
Ecumenism is a violation of the 1st Commandment.
An 8 min sermon with direct succinct subject matter will probably sound harsh. It preach truth with kindness takes time for explanation to gain acceptance. 20 minutes is the accepted time frame for adult attention span. People are leaving the Church and going to the non- denominational churches where the sermons are 45+ minutes. People want meat and not intro to subject matter left unexplained.
The pope invited all the American comedians that no one watches or thinks funny anymore. They must all be going for new material.
Become one with the EAST!
Everything the pope does is confusing. The double talk and documents. It was giving me anxiety so I personally don’t listen to him anymore but follow the truth in the gospels, pray and deepen my personal relationship.
Read CCC 2478. It explains how you are to handle this problem you are having. It avoids the sins in CCC 2477. We don’t jump from ambiguity to heresy. We don’t jump from “that looks odd” to burning witches like what the Puritans did in Salem. We give the benefit of the doubt and ask if there are any questions. We then give the answer the benefit of the doubt. This is how we love our neighbor.
Smoke and mirrors for those who apply wisdom with our current pope!
The definition of the dogma of “Papal Infallibility” by the First Vatican Council was highly problematic. The Archbishop of Paris spoke out the most strongly against it. Some of the American Bishops said that they thought the proposed new dogma to be blasphemous. Not all Bishops attended the Council, because of the military situation - some left early, before the vote on the new dogma, to avoid being trapped in a possible siege of Rome. After the definition of the novel dogma, some English Catholics left to join the Old Catholics. A compromise was reached to prevent further defections. The dogma would remain “on the books” but would never be invoked. It never has been invoked. By the time Pope John XXIII was elected in 1958 it had become a “dead letter”. Pope John stated formally that he would never invoke the dogma. Cardinal Fernandez recently stated that Pope Francis would never invoke the dogma. However, it still remains, a relic of the injured pride of Pope Pius IX who, smarting from his loss of temporal status following the annexation of Rome and Lazio by King Victor Emanuel II in 1870, attempted to boost his status by attempting to enhance his spiritual authority. It was intended as a snub by the Pope to the King, who had earlier offered the Pope a compromise - abdicate voluntarily and the King would, in return, legislate to confirm his position as Primate of All Italy. The Pope responded by saying that he would define his own authority - he probably went a little too far! The Pope ordered the Swiss Guard into action - 29 were killed before he finally gave the order to surrender. Until 1929, the Papacy had no temporal authority. Pope Francis now wishes to formally confirm that he is a temporal ruler, a Prince, sovereign of the tiny relic of “the donation of Constantine” entitled to the same status as any other world ruler. He is Bishop of Rome, Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Rome, Primate of All Italy, President of the Italian Episcopal Conference. He wants a novel title. Not “Vicar of Christ” in the Universal Church, but “Patriarch of the West” instead. There is some historical justification - until 1453, when the City finally fell to the Turks, the Christian Roman Emperor held the title “Vicar of Christ”. The Bishop of Rome had only the Petrine Ministry of “confirming the brethren” - keeping the Church free of doctrinal error. He had no authority of an administrative nature over his fellow Bishops, as far as the Eastern Church was concerned. The Eastern Church was very dismissive of the title assumed by the former Barbarians “Holy Roman Emperor”. They watched with amazement as the Pope and the Emperor squabbled over temporal and spiritual matters. In the East, the Emperor and the Patriarch co existed peacefully.
You say that the Emperor and the Patriarch co-existed peacefully in the East. Have you read any history?
Today, Emperor Xi argues with the Pope over the running of the new “Patriotic Church” (a wing of the Communist Party) in China. Sadly, Xi will win. Unfortunately, unlike the Christian Roman Emperors in Constantinople, Xi is an atheist.
The short answer to your question is “yes”.
@@Mark3ABE😮true -- !! it s so sad these things happen - church used to be one before all this
@@ΑλξΠλξ The Church was, undoubtedly, one before 1054. After that, the Eastern and Western branches of the Church divided. The Eastern branch took the view that it was impossible to hold an Ecumenical Council unless every Bishop in the Church attended, or, at least, was invited to attend. Since this was no longer possible after the Great Schism, they took the view that they would accept only the first Seven Ecumenical Councils of the Church as valid and binding. Fortunately, these Councils, when the Church remained undivided, decided most important matters of doctrine, such as the Trinity, the Divinity of Christ, etc. Later Councils were held only in the Western Church. The most significant of these was, of course, the Council of Trent, which dealt with the criticisms raised against the Church by the Protestant Reformers. Since there was no similar Reformation in the East, the findings of this Council, which did not more than simply restate existing doctrine, in a way which excluded the Protestant errors, are not directly relevant to the Eastern Churches.
The Holy Father needs to be made aware of what James Martin is doing in his name…. I don’t think the Pope knows what James Martin is saying 😠😠
Really? Really?
Do you really think he doesn't know? He knows.
Jorge is aware and arroves, TBH is not the 'Holy Father'.
The Pope should be concerned on Saving Souls, teaching and living the One true Church Our Alford Jesus Christ created. Jesus played down his Life to make salvation possible for all people.
We are to live in this world Not of It, Pope Francis and those around him appear to be starting a New Religion instead of walking away like the Protestants did. I cannot follow this Pope and his Regime which is destroying the Teachings of Christ. 🙏🙏 For their conversion and perseverance to stay faithful to the Teachings of Jesus and the True Magisterium that lasted until this Pope. I cannot believe the evil we are living in today yet I know Our Blessed Mother has been sent by God Many times to warn us about these times since the 1500s in EQUADOR.
Of course they do not believe to reach an agreement with the Protestant churches.
If they discuss dogmas it is to convince us that they are not Divine Revelation, and therefore immutable, but rather human thought and therefore changing over time.
The goal is the way.
The whole current papacy is an embarrassment.
No, Catholics that do not understand Matthew 16:18-19 and CCC 2478 are the embarrassment.
It was not a good idea to forbid married men to access to the lower clergy in the 11th century, from a mathematical point of view. It reduced the pool of potential priests and raised the % of men with abnormal tendencied among the priests. Simple arithmetic issue.
Indeed - the secular clergy were, generally, married in the Western Church until the later Middle Ages. With the flowering of Monasticism, Franciscans and Dominicans travelled from parish to parish renewing the spiritual life of the Church. These celibate Priests contrasted with the often lazy and worldly secular clergy, more concerned about their wives and families, in many cases, than the spiritual good of their flock. Simony was rife. The Parish Priest would pass on his “living” to his eldest son - often having no vocation to the Priesthood. Introducing the discipline of celibacy for the secular clergy was seen as a way of improving the spiritual life of the Church. However, as Pope Benedict XVI points out in his final book “What is a Christian”, by the 1980s, the experiment had failed. The Seminaries were homosexual clubs, where the seminarians advanced their careers by sleeping with their teachers. When Pope Francis was informed that Cardinal McCarrick, as Rector of a seminary, required young seminarians to sleep with him if they wished to become his “favourites” and advance their careers, the Pope responded that he saw nothing wrong with that, since the seminarians were adults, not children. He only laicised Cardinal MCCarrick when the civil authority prosecuted him for child sex abuse. At that time, the Pope was trying not to “rock the boat”. Now, he has had enough. As Primate of All Italy and President of the Italian Bishops Conference, having personal direct responsibility for the seminaries in Italy, he has finally said “basta” - there is too much “gaiety” amongst the Italian clergy. He used a less polite word than “gaiety”.
@@Mark3ABE So, a thousand and more years ago the serfs, farmers, herdsmen, shepherds, fishermen, tradesmen of medieval society were fat, lazy and worldly because they had a wife and family of kids?
Father James Martin is a joke. That is why he is meeting with all the liberal comedians. Our Pope is a joke too.
Greg gutfeld is a comedian??!! Who knew!!
Birds in a feather stick together, how about helping souls get to heaven!
Non-starter with Protestants. Orthodoxy won't accept it either. DOA, and if the RCC spent years on this, it is years of time wasted on this because it is going nowhere.
It’s not confusing, use your brains!!!! James Martin is doing this behind Francis back!
I think old Jorge and co are pretty much aware.
does james martin believe in original sin?? does he believe maybe the fall from grace includes the temptation and the falling into sexual homosexual relationships…who engage in this practise???
Makes you wonder if he believes in the vision of hell were Mary said more people go to hell for sins of the flesh than anything else
Will the Pope keep his "homily" at the G7 to 8 minutes. After all he won't want all those "important" individuals to fall asleep or think him boring 😊
Do people have free will or not? Why should the Catholic church or any church for that matter block the secular public from access to services they seem necessary for their own lives? Keep your rules and guidance for your followers, leave the secular world alone 😊
unfortunately the G7 is an elitist country group.
"vulgar expression"? They are vulgar. The Pope was right and never should have to apologize for it. He finally does a little thing not anti woke and he gets admonished for it. Gay lifestyles are vulgar. That is true. Decency owes not one apology to vulgarity.
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i believe this papacy is very very confusing !!!
😂💖😁👍
Maybe his using South Park's definition of the word lol
At 7:24: "I'm also wondering, why is it that comedians who're propagandists for abortion were invited? Would they also invite comedians who were, y'know, issuing gay slurs?"
Hey, Fr. Murray, did you forget? _Pope Francis_ is expected to attend. So, looks like they _did_ invite a comedian who issues gay slurs! Amirite?
(More seriously: Pope Francis discomfited the _conservatives_ and _traditionalists_ with his inconsistency first, because they're more sensitive to inconsistencies. But it's nice to see him also bewildering and befuddling the cafeteria-dissenter crowd, now. By the time his papacy ends, I expect _everyone_ will be tired of all the drama. Is Pope Francis's papacy not, in some ways, the Argentinian/Catholic version of Trump's political career? Those guys need to go bowling, sometime.)
Call out Biden? Hahahaha. Not a chance.
We don't like poopoo primacy?
Seems like the pope is trying to compete with Gutfeld but he's about as "funny" as Joe Biden. The pope and Joe Biden seem to have a lot in common.
When are we trashing Satan’s divine mercy chaplet
What a trick, fake image (Mt 24: 24)
Comedians? Most of them stopped being funny years ago.
It's Peronist humor.
One of them is a supposed Catholic, who took his children to a gay pride parade, which, in my opinion opinion of many other people is outright child abuse. Exposing your children to that filth is a mortal sin
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imagine whoppi Goldberg!! hahahahaha.
imagine whoppi Goldberg!! hahahahaha. the new pope of popes hahahaha
Some of those comics have disgusting and filthy acts and very hateful of Catholic teaching
Greg Gutfeld is a mean-spirited political comedian hardly worthy enough of mention by the most conservative group of church commentators as this. They would do well to allow a bit of humor into their lives and cease being so demanding of people
Pope speaks out of botth sides of his mouth. He plays on both sides of the fence.
Ecumenical dialogue? Try converting.
.............to Orthodoxy.
hahahahaha kneeling before the pope as if this pope is to be kneeled before. hahahahaha. james martin is a fool in my opinion.
Worst pope in a long time.
Nearly as bad as John-Paul II.
Give the Pope a break Raymond, will ya? He is exercising magnanimous Papal discretion to express humor IRREVERENTLY!