4090 + 5800X3D...Is There a Bottleneck at 1440p?
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Hello and welcome to todays video! The 4090 is one monster of a card, and today we are stacking it up with the 5800x3d and a ddr4 3800mhz cl14 ram kit to see how far it can take the 4090 in a couple of popular games including warzone.
Background music:
Chill With Me - Aftertune
Colony - Tubebackr
0:00 Intro
0:48 NFS Unbound
1:31 Forza Horizon 5
2:12 COD MW2 Multiplayer
2:54 COD MW2 DMZ
3:16 COD MW2 BR
3:34 4000HZ Polling Rate Downside
4:13 Rainbow 6 Siege
4:59 Dying Light 2
5:44 Conclusion - Ігри
4090 is the very first card I can take seriously for 4K...thats what it was designed for
You see...while indeed you can say it's designed for 4K, I disagree. I do not think the resolution is the fault here, I think CPU's being too slow is the problem.
A 1440p 360hz monitor is 1100 usd, which is more then a lot of 4k monitors, and 1440p 360hz is insanely hard to achieve, and only a 4090 amd 7900xtx can do that in call of duty multiplayer as an example.
So yes, while 4k high refresg is finally possible thanks to the 4090, so is 1440p 360hz🙌
@@Beefy-Tech I mean...most people would not need a 1440p 360hz monitor....they can just get 1440p 240hz instead at a much lower price and you don't have to buy a 4090 for it...a 4080 is a more sensible card for people who crave high frame rates at 1440p at 360fps.
@@CasualG-mer yup. 4090 is overkill, and 240hz is even above what most people need. 360hz 1440p is for the 2% interested in the best of the best also..
But the 4090 can also do 240hz 4k, which is nuts.
You pay a lot for it, but you definitely get crazy performance for the money👍
@@Beefy-Tech 4k 240hz...yup, that is the 4090's job.
@@Beefy-Tech have you done the benchmark within modern warfare 2 to see how’s the bottleneck there I have a 4090 and i9-13900k and I’m at 4% cpu and 96% GPU average 261 fps and lows 195fps @1440p
why didn't you add cpu stat in afterburner ?
Good informative content. No fluff, No click bait… subscribed. Keep it up and this channel will grow exponentially.
Thanks fam. Trying to up the quality of the videos as we are speaking👍updated the overlay of MSI afterburner with individual labels, added the cpu usage (it was broken lol), and trying to get a streamlined set of games to test so it's not as random as it's been up until now for the tested games.
I mean the title could use some work, since it says “is there a bottleneck”. There will always be a bottleneck, so for me the title bothers the hell out of me :,)
Holy shit dude, i like your test style, easy and straight to the point. You won my subscription !!!
Do you think ryzen 7 5800x and rtx 4090 both heavily optimized and 32gb ram heavily tuned 1000hz polling rate at 1080p will bottleneck because I have a 240hz 1080p and I enjoy 1080p and mostly play fortnite,rainbow 6 siege and gta5 (fivem)
about the polling rate issue. what if you use a ps5 controller with the polling rate at 8k. would that have the same effect as the mouse?
Does tuning the ram/not having an amazing ram kit for warzone have a large effect when paired with the 5800x3d? I thought this was only the case with intel.
Only about a 10FPS increase best case scenerio I'd say, but it's an increase none the less
Great test! Thank you for sharing! 🎖️
I have 3080 and ryzen r5 3600. Playing remnant 2 currently on 1440p ultra with dlss on quality preset. GPU utilization is around 97%. Do you think i should disable dlss and go with dldsr or native 1440p to put more load on gpu? I have a 1000hz polling mouse.
Just clicked on this video because I like looking at benchmark videos but I was not aware that a polling rate of a mouse could affect cpu usage. I learned something new, thank you!
I want to do a separate video on how that hurts cpu usage, but I decided to wait and get the 7950x3d because at 5800x3d level, losing 10% cpu usage in cod warzone 2 makes 4000hz unusable.
1000hz is more like 3% less usage when moving in warzone 2.
In rainbow 6 siege, valorant, and ca go, 4000hz is perfectly reasonable to use though.
@@Beefy-Tech I use 16,000 corsair nightsword what is the effect would you think ?
Thx for the video man you are explaining very well and i am happy that my plan of upgrading my am4 to 5800X3D and 32gb of dd4 and rtx 4080 might not be dumb. I hope you have a great day
Awesome content brother, straight to the point but well explained without rushing. Keep it like this and you will grow. Thanks for the video, I was asking exactly this matter; suscribed!
i like your analysis dude, will look forward to your testings if u ever get a 7000X3D Cpu.
getting the 7950x3d on release specifically to test 4090, 6950xt, and in the future the 7900xtx (i need to sell some stuff cause this is getting expensive lmao). I will be posting a 4K resolution warzone 2 video as I believe some people want to see how 4k + competitive settings will do with this combination of hardware.
@@Beefy-Tech do you think the 7800x3d will pair good with 7900XTX for MW2 for 240hz 1440p?
I just bought this combo but I got it for 4k gaming on a 144hz monitor. This was still very informative. Great video!
I put out a 4K resolution video on the 4090 if you are interested, and tomorrow I'm doing an 8K video too👍
@@Beefy-Tech Thanks!
@@stevejohnson6248 is there bottleneck?
@@f.f.2260 There is always a bottleneck of some sort, at 4k it's gpu bound. With DLSS I'm getting over 100fps on Cyberpunk with max RT on.
Me too
Good stuff the 5800x3d I think at 1440p for even a 4090 is fine since those frames are already so high. It's nice that I can just plug in a 300$ 5800x3d into a 6 year old am4 system without going am5 and pair it with the latest GPUs like 4070ti, 4080, 4090, or at least even future 5070 5080... Not to mention the power draw of the 5800x3d is way below the newer gen cpus
how about 1080 gaming?
@@aqwandrew6330 you will be flying most of the ppl say these cards and cpus are for 2k and up im going for this cpu and 7900xtx ppl say that gpu is great for 4k but i play on 1080p and ppl say its overkill nah better have good gpy for the future if i plan to buy 2k monitor
@@ItzDnZ this is the way. But i never will buy 2k monitor because i hate 27 inch, its too big
@@aqwandrew6330 yeah gotcha
Ong dude
Nice work. Subbed.
So basically that CPU with 4080 and 3440x1440 is perfect.
But the 4090 can last for 4+ years on 1440p
The 7900xtx matches the 4080 and is around 300 bucks cheaper its a no brainer
@@goldminer8732 Unless You like VR games or 4K RT Single player games due to frame gen. Which is my usecase :)
@@stormrider01so can a 4080…
@@stormrider01 Stop the cap. in 4 years the 4090 will be getting low end performance like say a XX50 or XX60 series card performance
Good video. Glad I found it. Liked👍
what motherboard was used in the testing?
MSI x570s Ace Meg with wifi
That is weird.. I used you exact same graphics settings for COD. I run a 13700k + 4090 + 6400 d5. But I only got less than 300frames on the same map… Any idea why is that?
That I'm not sure, settings and how everything is set up makes the whole difference🤔
Lmao Butt Fingly high amout of frames killed me!
Just stumbled over your channel, i guess i'm a little bit late but in case you read this: great video, i subbed. As for the CPU: currently i'm using it on my alienware AW3420DW with 3440x1440p 120hz paired with a 3080ti FE... it's an amazing combo, but the powerdraw of Highend Ampere GPUs is awful, especially if you live in Europe these days. I was thinking about upgrading to a 4080 or 4090, which one would you recommend? I mainly play Singleplayer Games and want to reach that 120fps constanly but at the same time i want my system to run as efficient as possible (undervolting). What would you recommend?
Hello, it's good you have a clear goal in mind, and taking into account your CPU, the 4080 would more then suffice for what you play and the refresh rate you are looking for.
The advantage the 4090 would have us how future proof it is. If you were to buy a 4090 for your current rig it'd be significantly overkill, and even at 50% power target ud have 90% of the 4090s performance.
But if you do a full system update including monitor, let's say to a future 8800X3D cpu, and a 4K 240hz monitor (which already exists and will become common in a couple years) the 4090 is currently capable of doing 4K 240fps in Warzone 1, Warzone 2, and other multiplayer games.
And it's capable of 4k 120+Fps in single player Ultra preset games (with a couple exceptions ofc).
4080 is about 30-35% slower overall,but would be more then enough for years to come.
@@Beefy-Tech Thank you for your quick answer :D I guess I will buy a 4090 based on your explaination because 400€ more or less for 30-35% more performance plus the possibility to simply upgrade the CPU in the future and gain even more FPS is tempting enough for me. Just one more question: would you say it's sufficient enough to just buy one of the cheapest models of the 4090? Or would you rather go for a premium model like the cards from Asus, MSI, or Gigabyte due to their overclocking potential? I'm not really convinced that buying a Strix card with a high power limit makes any sense, because it seems like there's minimal to zero performance gains by increasing the stock power limit from 450w to 600w... what's your take on that topic?
@@normaldude5960 I have a generic "Low end" 4090 with a 450watt limit Inno 3D ichill and it makes absolutely no difference in 9/10 situations, except fan noise, and looks.
Warzone 2 it uses 300 watts while Paired with a 7950x3d. meaning in multiplayer games youll never be at power limit.
Worst cases that ive seen are Dying Light 2 4K Ultra Ray tracing, which uses 430watts while overclocked...but even then it didn't hit power limit.
And at 8K res In Need For Speed Unbound it hit power limit of 450watts, but that's 8K Resolution, so it's expected.
I'd say buy what looks best, because all of them will do pretty much the same thing, but just for your knowledge the Coil Whine on some models is worse then other models, I just don't know exactly which have more or less coil whine, so ull have to research.
@@Beefy-Tech Thank you, that helps a lot. :D Yeah, I think i will watch some reviews, in my country the Palit Gamerock is currently the cheapest model, so yeah... I don't really care about RGB or the optics in general, i just want silent fans, minimal coil whine and a good power-to-performance-ratio. Anyway, thank you for your time and opinion on that, have a great weekend. :D
Hey Beefy! I have an RTX 3080 and currently running an i7 8700k at 1440p I realized it is being bottlenecked and I am having to decide my next cpu to upgrade to.... while I am sure the 5800x3D will be FINE paired with a 3080 at 1440p at the same time I do want to future proof my rig, if in the coming years if I upgrade to a 4080/90.... What are your thoughts and do you have any CPU recommendations for me? Thanks again 👊
5800x3d will drive up to a 3090ti/6950xt in warzone 2.
Remember, warzone 2 is one of the most cpu bottlenecked games out there, so if it runs wz2 ir runs anything.
If you plan to move to 40 series or 50 series without needing a upgrade, I recommend going straight to AM5 with the 7800x3d (which comes out april) or any other 7000x3d cpu, and a kit of ddr5 6000-6200mhz ram.
If u wanna do the easiest upgrade for up to a 3090ti/6950xt 5800x3d is perfect and much cheaper.
@@Beefy-Tech TYSM dude! I appreciate the help! Is the faster ram going to be more important when running the 7800x3D?
@@AshtonsPTW I do not know yet, but I will test it day 1. I bought a ddr5 kit that can do 6800mhz cl34, but also 6200mhz cl28, meaning I should be able to test what affect ram has once I receive the 7000x3d cpu.
@@AshtonsPTW 5800X3D wasn't that picky about memory speeds because of the large cache. You could do with cheaper 3200MHZ CL16. It will be interesting to see if the same thing applies to 7800X3D. Generally about 6000MHz is the sweet spot for AMD 70 series.
@@Beefy-Tech good info again! Subscribed
lol, the colorful commentary deserves a thumbs up.
what kind of game stops you from going into settings mid mission?
I was wrong. I thought the game wouldn't let me go into settings because the Escape button didn't do anything. It's TAB for the menu to pop up in NFS, Only found out recently.
@@Beefy-Tech lol
I’d be really interested to see the results for 3440x1440p. This resolution is becoming popular, It’s about a 3rd more demanding to run so looking at your results I think it will be but no way near as bas. I’d also be keen to see the differences in the results with a more common config using 3200/cl16 or 3600/cl18 with stock cpu settings.
I actually do want to do a test where I try DDR4 3200/3600 and my tuned 3800mhz kit with a 5800x3d in warzone 1 and 2. I have all the parts, but the 3600mhz kit is in my gf pc so I need a day where I can take her ram for testing😂😂😂
As for that resolution, I would only be able to test it with ingame selection of said resolution, meaning it wouldn't be native. I mean the overall assumption is it would be a middle ground between 2k and 4k.
@@Beefy-Tech the key takeaway from your video for me was that the gameplay was smooth and enjoyable. My plan is to buy a 4090FE and sell my 3090FE while it is still worth something this year. Then do a complete platform upgrade when the 8800x3d is released. That way I’m not having an expensive gpu upgrade in the same year. I mainly play warzone 2, but I do like to play games like Cyberpunk with all the eye candy turned on. I’m really looking forward to playing Hogwarts Legacy and Starfield soon. Have you got a video on tuning your ram? I’ll have a search. I have Corsair Dominator 3600/c18 currently but I’m sure I’ll be able to tune it. Not really had a need to so far, as the 5800x3d doesn’t have a problem with the 3090.
@@curtismariani6303 the thing is you will still get to enjoy a massive upgrade from 3090 to 4090 even without upgrading anything else. 5800x3d can draw 360fps+ in multiplayer mw2 and mw1. The throughput of it is strong enough where you won't ever really have a complaint with FPS you are getting.
If you haven't already, I recommend trying PBO2 tuner with 5800x3d. An undervolt actually renders extra performance from 5800x3d, and I am going to do a video on it very soon as I think it's very much worth doing.
@@Beefy-Tech I’ve subscribed so will keep an eye out for that.
🤔 wonder how it is for the new ps5 controller with has 8000 pollingrate..will that give fps drop aswell?
I have been getting issues with my 5950x Asus 4090 Tuf edition. Warzone 2 and Destiny 2 I get low Gpu usage no matter if I’m on low settings or ultra. What should I do?? Please help 😢
5950x is the problem unfortunately. The 4090 is significantly too strong for a 5950x. Infact even a 7950x3d running perfectly often doesn't max out a 4090 at 1440p.
The best thing you can do is unfortunately upgrade. Easiest upgrade would be to the upcoming 7800x3d👍
@Beefy Tech 5700x and 4090 getting low gpu usage at 4k what cpu should I go for ? Will 5900x or 5800x3d make a difference? Is 7700x worth it either?
Hi! Great video! How did u get your 4090 to 1.100 V? Mine goes only to 1050 V.. thanks!
Hello! In MSI afterburner you have to enter the general settings and enable Voltage control, and enabled force constant voltage
@@Beefy-Tech Thanks!
The 5800x3d is insane for siege and ubisoft titles in general
Also in rust too
@@frxxdqm8980yup. cpu intensive games that’s why.
Hi @beefy tech do you think its best 5800x3d and rtx 4090 or rtx 4080 and 7800x3d
4080 and 7800x3d. This way, ull be able to keep your platform and only swap out 1 part rather than require a whole system upgrade.
@@Beefy-Tech thanks and keep the great content
I see you learnt from framechasers, hes the guy that got me into tuning ram too, i have an 10700k, 3080 and 4x8 bdie tuned and every game is silky smooth now that i have bdie although warzone 2 is the only game i have issues with in terms of stuttering and not being able to maintain 180+ fps so i hope the game gets better as theres litetally nothing i can do to get more fps
Warzone is cruel to CPU's 10700k os a great cpu, but warzone's cpu throughput consistency is shit, so ull experience big differences in FPS based on parts of the map.
What is the best ram for 5800x3d? I have 8gb×4 3200mhz cl 16, is good? Or i need to buy a better ddr4?
I think you are fine, I wouldn't upgrade ram on 5800x3d because while you can gain like 10fps, it's a lot of money for 10 fps lol. I would just use PBO2 tuner and undervolt accordingly. You can find guides from Github on how to set up pbo2 tuner 👍
@@Beefy-Tech ok thanks bro, next upgrade x570 rog crosshair VIII hero or b550 rog xe, with nvme gen 4, not graphic card because is very expensive. Now my 2060 for fullhd high refresh rate is good..
5800x3d is the CPU which has the smallest correlation between RAM speed and CPU speed. Its because of the 3d cache. It eases up the strain to the RAM. Its apparent from all benchmarks Ive ever seen, so I take it for a fact. It surprised me as well.
Warzone 2.0 just has terrible optimization. The bottleneck exists at the App Dev level..
i use 500hz polling rate , honestly quake 3 pros have played on 125hz and have had insane inhumane reactions back in like 99, no need to clog your CPU with these cycles it will actually make ur game stutter and then what good is your 4000hz if you have stutter...
I turn to 1000hz on warzone and switch to 4000hz in games that surpass my monitor refresh (240hz) such as siege and mw2 multiplayer.
Unfortunately warzone 2 just won't be able to take advantage of it anytime soon, but Multiplayer still manages quiet well👍
Exactly what I was going to say. When i did a lot of testing when I used to play a lot of call of duty I found the game felt better with the lower polling rates. The higher I went the more it effected the game and my scores in a negative way.
u earned my sub just because u said u bottlenecked the mouse :D
Earned a sub from me hard to find people talk about 4000hz polling rate. Hoping to see some 7000 3D content. Planning to upgrade from my 5950X/3600mhz 14-14-12-12 for my 1440p 360hz monitor!
That 7000x3d will be great for pushing the 360hz refresh rate! And yes, 4000hz polling rate is great, I threw it in there as a bonus test as I just got it then xD I'm making a full video on polling rate once I too have a 360hz monitor to test on.
Have you done this same test with the 7900xtx?
I haven't actually, they destroyed the performance in Season 4.5 so all previous testing wouldn't even be compatible :(
What is your 5800x3d boosting to? Mine goes 4.549-4.89 max with normal boost being 4.549 and sometimes 4.689 but mostly 4.549 and i use ddr4 3200 at 3466 some times and my 3080ftw3 was clocked to 3080ti performance i uograded from a 5600x at 4.7- 4.9 and the 5800x3d was better stock but i have undervolted -30 all core and left other pbo2 settings alone, i have iust lowered the rest of the power draw but i haven't tested since i lowered everything else.
Why u dont show cpu load?😔
Hey man,
I have a 5900x+3090 (both overclocked) with tuned Bdie CL14 RAM and I was wondering if it’s worth upgrading the CPU to a 5800x3D. I only play Warzone Caldera, and will eventually transition to the new CoD.
Thanks!
Hey, I think ull definitely benefit from the upgrade, especially since you already have bdie ram. In alazrah the 5800x3d is 180-220fps capable, so it'd fit the 3090ti perfectly.
@@Beefy-Tech I installed a 5800x3d yesterday and noticed I’m totally GPU bound in Warzone Caldera right now. I’d have to say my lows are definitely higher and frames are more consistent. Need more time to test though.
There is always a bottleneck. The question is which component
game optimization
How did it go with Microsoft Flight Simulator in this test?
Haven't actually tested it. I tried to not do games I don't actually play, but I'll get more games and familiarize myself with them to be able to do accurate tests in them👍
finally interesting video on yt, about hw in gaming
Overall 5800x3d is good or at least more then ok for 4090 NIUCEE Likeee BIG LIKEE!!
Hello. Good morning. Hope you are good and well. Just want to get your opinion. Do you think its a watse of money to get ryzen 7 7800x3d and rtx 4090 but only playing at 1440p?
Not at all. 1440p is the perfect match for the 4090. Most games max out a 4090 at 1440p like its absolutely nothing!
@@Beefy-Tech which rtx 4090 brand you recommend?
@@jomariquizon7886 not one in specific tbh, aslong as you like it it'll be fine! But if I was to be looking for brands I personally like...probably Gigabyte Auros Master 4090 or Asus STRIX white edition 4090.
@@Beefy-Tech thanks
FWIW I upgraded from a 5800x to the 3d and found that the 5800x (non 3d) was bottle necking my RTX 3080 in warzone 2. Since the upgrade I've been maintaining 144fps at 1440p.
Ah, such a dedicated player.
I'll take that extra 5800x off your hands for some 1080P gamp play. 😇
I had to "upgrade" my 5800x to a 13700k because it was such a stupidly hot CPU for the amount of power it's drawing. That and it was having weird USB/storage issues that I couldn't figure out
@@SlimedogNumbaSixty9 damn PC nerds.
They will spend 1800 bucks on a gpu but wont fork over 100 to get a cpu cooler.
pffft
I am using ryzen 5900x right now, will it bottleneck the 4090?
biggest bottleneck are the monitors. it doesn't matter if you're getting 1000 fps, you're still capped by monitor refresh rate
Would you say for battle royal the 5950x would give higher fps over a 5800x3d? Thanks for the vid
5800x3d will always have greater performance for games than 5950x
@@quizconhecimentosgerais-qu3164i need to get 5800x3d
That movement lag happens all the time on AMD... AMD IPC is garbage compared to Intel... It can't keep up with loading in new data in warzone / DMZ...
Are you running DLSS?
First off dope vid bro 👍 Currently on a 2080 with a 5800X3D. Wanting to max out AM4, seems like a 3080 might be the move. What does the UA-cam comment section think?
got 3080 and want to add 5800x3d to that (currently on r5 3600) ... I think it will be good combo.
I ran the 5800x3d + 3080 for 8 months and I can say it's a beatiful combination! 5800x3d runs 3080 to its max with 0 problems.
The 5800x3d can drive up to a 3090ti/6950xt in warzone 2, so anything up to that will always be full GPU usage or nearly full.
@Beefy Tech thats good news, thanks for the response homie have a good one
Quick tip even though I think I already know the answer. I have an RTX 4080 together with a quality Asus Tuf x570 board and a quality 4x8 3200 cl14 Samsung b-die memory OC on 3800 cl16 together with an r5 3600, not even OC memory with tight timing can save it, which is a terrible bottleneck for me. I don't want to waste money on a new platform at these expensive prices, I think the x3d would fit perfectly into my configuration. I'm interested in your answer from experience, since you have that CPU, will it bottleneck the RTX 4080, which is on average 25-30% weaker than the RTX 4090. Thanks
I think with a 4080 the 5800x3d at 1440p will only very occasionally have a slight bottleneck. The only culprit you should worry about is warzone 2 as even on 6950xt I'd see the gpu usage occasionally drop in certain parts of the map. But if you want a simple plug and play upgrade that'll net insane gains, 5800x3d is your best option no questions asked.
If you get a 5800x3d, run PBO2 tuner with like -25 offset all cores (which actually helps performance a lot) and the 4080 would be at near 100% usage in 95% of games out there.
@@Beefy-Tech I agree, I will buy the 5800x3d thanks for the tip about PBO2. One more question about how the RAM affects it, is it better to go fast, say 4000cl16, or hunt for a lower latency 3800cl15 or even cl14 with 4 RAM stick i think its easier to go for latency IMC maybe cant handle 4x8@4000mhz. It is possible that Nvidia has problems with driver overhead in dx12 titles, the CPU suffers a lot because of it, there has already been a lot of talk about it, I hope they will solve it soon. Anyway, thank you very much for the advice.
@@sjuric2435 best option. For ram is a 2x16 kit at 4000mhz cl16 or cl17 or cl18
To be SURE it's B-die, try go for kits that have the secondary timings equal to the CL timing. Such as 16-16-16 / 17-17-17 / 18-18-18.
@@sjuric2435 also I meant to buy 4000mhz and if it's not stable at 1:1 just take it lower to 3900 or 3800 and tune timings
@@Beefy-Tech I already have Gskill FlareX 4x8 3200mhz cl14 b-die kit now they are overclocked to 3800 cl16 at very low voltage of 1.38v together with r5 3600. As you say performance wise dual rank is better 2x16 dual rank kit or 4x8 single rank that work in dual rank if you have 4 single rank sticks and all ram slot pouplated. I will push them harder when I buy the 5800x3d, my RAM has more room but my r5 3600 cant handle more I think Zen3 has better IMC. Thank you for your reply.
Crazy that my 3070ti/5800x3d gets up to 180fps in DMZ with settings slightly higher than shown. My average 150 constant.
Yup, I did a video on the 3070 recently and found it to easily average 150fps at 1440p!
I’m running 5800x3d with triple 4K 48inch oled 120hz + 4090. Will it cpu bottleneck? How do I know whether is cpu bottleneck? Cheers 🍻
I don't think you will have any issues because cpu bottleneck is to do with cpu throughput. Unless you run sim racing and use all 4k monitors simultaneously in said game, I think the bottleneck will be 4090.
Easiest way to tell if u have a cpu bottleneck is to check out your gpu usage while playing a game you know to be gpu demanding... let's say you are playing fh5 and are seeing 85% gpu usage, then it's likely your cpu can't throughput enough fps to satisfy the 4090 (but very unlikely on your setup).
@@Beefy-Tech Yes you are right. I did some checkup using MSI After Burner to monitor the GPU usage. While running 12288 x 2160, it did hit 99% mark most of the time, occasionally it drops to 85% for 1 second. Well explain and great channel. subscribed
I'm looking to buy the 5800x3D in the future. I'm pretty sure paired with a 4070ti at 1440p the bottlenecks won't be that big, if there's any... thank you for the video, very informative ! 👍
It'd work perfectly together! Around that 3090/4070ti/3090ti mark you will find the 5800x3d to be the perfect pair
@@Beefy-Tech can i take for this ryzen 7 5800x RTX 4080 ?
@@kd-fv1jq 5800x would be too slow, 5800x3d would be perfect
@@Beefy-Tech yes i mean 5800x3d perfect :)
@@Beefy-Techwhat about 5800x3d 4070 ti super at 4k?
could you try this on a 4k monitor? Other says that this specs should be fine with 4k display.
I do have the possibility to do that yes.im 90% sure it will fully utilize the GPU at 4k too, even with competitive settings. After the 3070 video I'm working on I'll most likely follow up with a 4k 4090 competitive settings in cod video just cause I'm also curious.
@@Beefy-Tech thanks man. I have a 4090 and 5800x and i kind of made a mistake buying the Alienware monitor AW3432DWF QD OLED as i though it was a 4K monitor but it's not. So it is bottlenecking. So I'm really curious if 4k monitor won't bottleneck it as what other reviewers said it wouldn't with my specs.
@@jeffcleofe4616 at 4k ultra you should be fine and not suffer a bottleneck. 5800x drives like 140-160FPS in warzone from what I know
@@Beefy-Tech u tried it? So 4k monitor won't bottleneck it? So I guess I need to return my monitor and get the real 4k monitor.
@@jeffcleofe4616 I haven't tried it myself. While I have a 4K tester I yet have to try it. Issue is I'm on a 5800x3d which in warzone would push more frames then a 5800x, so I wouldn't be able to tell you for sure if you won't be bottlenecked...but regardless you will see far less of a bottleneck at 4k vs 1440p.
dont forget at the end your biggest bottleneck is your monitor frequency
yo, amazing video. maybe show cpu informations next time too via afterburner :)
I've updated that in the latest videos!
I dont know how to tell if there is a bottle neck but I have a Ryzen 5 5600 and an RX 580 8GB card someone tell me I beg
You are good, no bottlenecks there, u can drive up to a 3070 or 3060 no issue👍
I am running a 5800X3D and 4080, but on an 85" 4K mini-led :) Runs great! (Far Cry 6 HDR is just amazing)
Beautiful setup! That TV must be a dream to play on! Try Phasmophobia on that rig, you will feel very immersed xD
@@Beefy-Tech I will. Steam?
@@Beefy-Tech ahhh… nice! Not bragging but I have a 7.1.4 Home Theater so horror games are a huge hit with me. Callisto Protocol and Dead Space remake have the best sound I’ve heard. I’ve been doing Home Theater for a long time
@@m4nc1n1 the 4k 85 inch TV + home theater surround setup is as good as it gets for those type of games. If you like dead space definitely try Alien Isolation, although you probably have already xD
You already know this, but for viewers, remember that the 5800x3d runs hot and could thermal throttle when paired with a 4090 - so make sure you have enough cooling, and undervolt if you are comfortable with that.
I'm doing a video just on this soon! What's funny is that the cooler the 5800x3d runs, the more stable and good the boost frequency is, meaning with an undervolt it actually performs better!
Just put out a video on 5800x3d undervolting👍
I'd doubt that to be honest.
It's quake a game engine from the 90s.
Be lucky to be pushing 1 core/ 2 threads above 10% usage.
And the 4090 would be doing a lot of the math side so even less CPU usage.
Most games even modern, will struggle to push more than 3 cores/ 6 threads. Hell getting more than 30% cpu usage would be really pushing the cpu these days lol.
Just the way it is these days.
And on 4090 benchmarks for quake the fps is around 980 fps at 1440 resolution.
But the problem is the monitor the fastest 1440hrz monitor is 550 fos so the utter max fps you'll ever get 550 fps any higher and the monitor simply dumps them, you'll never see any of those frames.
Using lower end monitors is less fps.
Is it difficult to undervolt the 5800X3D? Could it potentially hurt the CPU?
I have a 4K/144 monitor. With a RTX 4090 and a R7 5800X3D.
The 4090 is a 4K high fps card. No normal person would play in 1440p with a RTX 4090 in 4K.
That's why I put out a 4K resolution video with this exact combo👍 but 1440p 360hz is only achieved with a 4090, so there's a purpose for it too. 13900k and ryzen 7000 are too slow to achieve that, but im hoping ryzen 7000x3d allows 4090 to see that 300fps mark in warzone👍
Same
Very good video! So for less than price of one 4090 I upgraded my entire PC to a 13700K/ RX 6950 XT/CL 32 6400 DDR5/Z690 MSI Unify-X ($1530) and get more FPS in WZ2.0 at 1440P. I really didn't see the value especially since I don't play 4K. Just a casual :)
I’m an nvidia guy but play cod/wz. It’s crazy how the Radeon cards perform in that title. I reckon the 6800xt would be on par with the 4090.
@@qubes8728 no it does not all CPUs in market are weak af that,s why fool areas buying 4090 for 1440p and complaining about bottleneck lol (づ￣ 3￣)づ you need i9 13900ks at 6ghz all core then 4090 can stretch it,s legs at 1440p
@@djsahilking3807 regardless of cpu the amd cards own this title. 3070ti owner.
I just uploaded a video on this Exact setup! No joke, using the same cl32 6400mhz ram kit even xD, but I overclocked it to 6800mhz cl34. I think ull enjoy the video, overall insane results from a pc that costs as much as a 4090😂😂😂
@@djsahilking3807 no complaints on 4090 myself, my cpu's are too slow to run it fully, but getting 7950x3d in hopes to at least match a 13900ks at full overclock, but we will see
I juega got my 4090 3 days ago and I got a 5950x got extra money to upgrade cpu wanted to get the 5800x3d but now I’m not sure so which cpu does not bottleneck? Also I think I might just wait for the new 3D chips
Hello, that's a great cpu but unfortunately not enough for a 4090. I think your best option is the new 7000x3d cpu's. I am personally waiting for them too in hopes it's enough to drive call of duty warzo e 2 to at least 80-90% usage on the 4090, but I'm pretty sure it still won't be enough to use the 4090 at 99% when at 1440p competitive settings in warzone 2,but it will be very close.
I myself will get and test them specifically on warzone after they release, but until official reviews are out and independent testing is done on warzone 2, it's hard to tell.
Om multiplayer mw2, 5800x3d with 1000hz polling rate mouse stays at 90%ish average usage, so a 7800x3d will be using 4090 100% in multiplayer for sure.
@@Beefy-Tech true I do play on a 2k Monitor 240hz and it’s so annoying that I get like 190 fps everything low
@@Haloreach66850 a 7800x3d or 7950x3d would definitely put you above 240fps, maybe even higher, but we will have to see.
@@Beefy-Tech Do you think the 5800x3d is still better for highest fps than the 5900x and 5950x even at 4k?
@@exoticspeedefy7916 I think so. If you game it'll just always be the better choice over the other 2 options.
I had a 5900x prior to the 5800x3d and the FPS difference that 3D cache offers is absolutely nuts.
what temps you get with 5800x3d while gaming at 1440p
Around 58-62 in warzone 2 with 7 rwc. I've upgraded to a 7950x3d since.
@@Beefy-Techyeah I went with the 7800x3d
would love to see the video redone with aaa story games only at 4k with manually maximized settings (and if raytracing is available also manually maximized in separate tests). i guess there's no way a 5800x3d would bottleneck at this settings, but would still be a nice experiment. because these are settings and games i as a 2000€ card owner really play.
I did do a short 4K test with forza at extreme and dying light 2 on high, its one of my newer videos.
At 4k very few games will make a 4090 hit below 60fps, only ones I know off are cyberpunk and hogwarts legacy atm.
@@Beefy-Tech yeah would still be a nice video buddy. btw there are more 60fps 4090 games like dead space remake and some more. btw check out the video "force-enabling resizable bar on nvidia gpus | rebar on vs off". some games don't use rebar unless forced and that gives a good fps boost. you can work this knowledge into your videos.
@@roflcopter3625 good to know, I'll check it out and make sure to use forced from now on👍
Hello! great video, I wanted to ask if you think there would be a CPU bottleneck for a 12900k with a 4090 at 4k for call of duty warzone? Would there be a need for an upgrade to the 13900k?
By the look of it even a 13900KS with a ddr5 8200mhz ram kit bottlenecks a 4090 to 80-90% usage. Currently, no cpu can run a 4090 unbottlenecked in warzone 2.
@@Beefy-Tech I saw a video of someone playing warzone 2 in 4k with the 4090 and 12900k and his gpu usage stayed in the high 90%.
@@yazannajjar1719 I just noticed he said at 4k. My bad, but yes it depends on CPU, at 4k you can mostly have a full gpu bottleneck depending on ingame settings, but as you have mentioned, a 12900k is bare minimum...as ull see even that cpu often struggle to be a consistent 100% gpu usage. Probably a 13900k will do 100% at 4k when cpu is stock.
@@Beefy-Tech So would you think its not worth an upgrade to the 13900K in that case? In the test I saw a lot of 99% gpu usage which I thought was pretty good and here and there would drop into the lower 90s for a few seconds and head right back up. I am sorry for bombarding you with questions, I just want to make sure I am getting the most out of my 4090, bottlenecking sucks
@@yazannajjar1719 I think if it's a simple change the cpu upgrade for you, it could be worth considering, it just depends what usage you are currently seeing. If at 4k the 4090 gets 99% usage on a 13900k, I'd say it's worthwhile.
You should wait for Ryzen 7000x3d though, maybe those end up being faster after all, but it remains to be seen.
What would you say about at 5950X & 4090 buddy?
Pretty sure in warzone 2 it will bottleneck a 4090👍
I have the same problem as you in your test with my setup i7 6950x & RTX 3090ti. I got the Rtx 3090ti from a friend because he switched to Rtx 4090. But my i7 is not able to feed the RTx 3090ti only 85% max 90% in 2k games.
Thats very impressive for a 7 year old cpu !
Sooo what’s the best cpu to avoid bottlenecking the 4090?
7800X3D/7950X3D
OR
13900K + DDR5 7600mhz + Z790 Apex/Tachyon Motherboards.
@@Beefy-Techare these cpus still bottlenecking it, even if it may be slightly less?
Where's the CPU usage on the overlay?
I’ll be honest I’ve got a 4090/5900x combo and I have no issues maxing out my 144hz 2K ultra wide monitor or my 120hz tv @4k. I suppose you could go higher on frame rates but I just can’t see it making any difference.
I have the 4080 and have no problems doing 2k at 165hz.
4090 at 2k even ultrawide, the 4090 is overkill. You should get a 13900k/7800x3d and a 4k monitor or swap for a 4080 and some cash your way
@@GregoryShtevenshwhat about 4070 ti super
@genlongtsang1093 they're excellent cards from what I hear. Again really all you'd need for 1440p
@@GregoryShtevensh i play at 4k can 4070 ti super play at 4k with 5800x3d?
I was just experimenting with this, my spare rig has a 5600X and it can only get my 4090 to full usage at 4K with RT on in most games. Even my 12700K overclocked is not a match for the 4090 at 1440p, I usually see like 60-70% load on the GPU with everything maxed out.
Yup. I pushed 5800x3d to its max after this video and got about 15-20more fps with a -30 undervolt., but no cigar. Hoping 7950x3d improves the gpu usage in wz2
@@Beefy-Tech Yeah I'm waiting patiently for those to pop out instead of just slapping a 13900k in my main rig. Hopefully they're as good as the 5800x3D is!
Well , i am confident that the 7000 X3D will use an 4090 to 100% , its a 5 GHz Boost Clock to the 4,55 GHz of the 5800X3D and the Cores have an higher IPC . The two Chiplet 7900X3D and the 7950 X3D have an higher Boost clock of 5,6/5,7 GHz , but i am not sure if that chiplet without V-Cache will be used in Games . The shortest way to the 3D V-Cache has the chiplet direct beneath it and that should have the lowest Latency , the other one has to use the IF Fabric to access the V-Cache , i am not sure how good this will work
I too am extremely curious of how well the 7950x3d will work. I unfortunately am in a situation where I can't wait for 7800x3d and have to get the 7950x3d on release, so I hope it'll work exactly as intended and run crazy good.
4090 + 7900x and 5600 mhz ram, averaging about 170 fps at warzone no matter the settings, everything possible is updated, hoping i am not the only one
Best thing you can do is switch to 7900x3d/7950x3d, ull see the best results for least amount of effort that way.
When ever you said "cpu bottlenecked" I believe it would be "cpu bound" because cpu bottleneck would mean the GPU isn't fast enough for the cpu. Good video besides from that! Correct me if Imm wrong as well!
U are wrong, imagine wine bottle if we are talking about cpu being its bottle neck it means it limits the flow so to cpu is the weak one.
Bro thats a nice benchmark but why did u not put the Rivatuner/MSI stats from cpu too? Theres games that because of the engine the cpu+gpu bottlenecks at the same time. MW2 have this limits so u are running like 80% on cpu and 70% on gpu, this by no means that the cpu is bottlenecking
I have updated msi afterburner since this video to reflect absolutely everything regarding necessary data. To clarify for this benchmark, cpu sits at 30-40% most of the time, never spikes above or below. The bottleneck comes directly from the cpu throughput (Maximum fps it can achieve) being much lower then a 4090s within warzone 2, and it wasn't linked to the CPU usage here, but I do realize now I shouldof included it to begin with, I just forgot, and fixed it in later video👍
why aren't you displaying the cpu stats, its in the same overlay options...
I have a 8000 polling rate mouse, but I use it at 2000 since at that level it doesn't lag my games.
😂hahaha
@@nigeldekker1074 Only games that don't die from it are, Valorant, CSGO and Overwatch "2" all 3 games that I don't play anymore
Have you tried to undervolt? How was the bottleneck then?
how can u get Forza horizon 5 to go over 60 fps ? I use a i7 13700k and a 7900 XTX
You have to go into the settings and select unlimited framerate.
@@Beefy-Tech i had to turn off vertical sync to be able to do that.
@@DJJumpdancer yup... if you have screen tearing issues without vertical sync, turn your screen mode to "Windowed" or "Fullscrean borderless". It should then be smooth with no tearing and uncapped framerates.
@@Beefy-Tech it runs fine now and I get often over 200 fps :D
@@DJJumpdancer very solid! Forza is actually very well optimized and runs super well even on extreme settings!
Im thinking about getting a 5800x3d and one of amds new 7900xt or xtx, i rekon theyre gonna be a great pair :)
Definitely. I think both 7900xt and xtx are great aslong as you get a good deal on them👍
If you get a 4090 you should play at 4k. I have a 5800x3d and a 4090 but gonna upgrade to a 7950x3d when it comes out.
I plan to play both 4k 240hz and 1440p 360hz myself, but indeed I'm also waiting for the 7950x3d before making the upgrade to either monitor. Good choice of cpu 👍
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Why not show cpu clock speeds or Temps or utilization to actually show what's going on all fronts?
Dunno man and here's why, w/ 5950X and 3090ti @ 1440p .... same settings getting an avg 30-50 fps better on DMZ than your equipment which admittedly makes no Damn sense with the addition of the 5800x3d I gained around 10-15 fps with an avg of 280 fps @ max settings. Also w/ 3600cl14 ram. Your thoughts?
Rough to tell to be honest. I am uncertain of what would be enabled on your end. Here's the thing, I own a 5600x, 5800x3d and 13700k. With 13700k and a ddr5 6800mhz kit and a 5.6ghz oc, 13700k is 5-10FPS faster then 5800x3d (even when 5800x3d has the UV applied). Meaning that setting for setting, a 13700k winning by a bit in warzone would make sense.
As for a 5950x being significantly faster, I am not sure. I used to own a 5900x prior to 5800x3d and the 5800x3d is definitely faster then that one, but I guess it comes down to if you are using AMD FSR or DLSS, how late in the match you record the data, and what part of the map you are on.
As an example, by police station near al mazraah city, I see 240-260FPS, and by Sawah village it's more like 200-220.
The later in a match the data is recordered, the higher the FPS as there's less people on the map, and on warzone BR, the gas covers the map over time also increasing fps.
But if you are getting 250+fps no problem, don't change your settings, cause you are clearly doing something right 🤣👍👍👍
good question
Can you do a test with a r9 3900x and 3090
I only have a 3600x, 5600x, 5800X3D, 13700K, for desktop cpu's
Gtx 780, gtx 1070, rtx 3070, 3080, 6950xt and 4090.
I can combine any of those together, but don't have 3090 or 3900x.
"once I jiggle the mouse you're gonna see the cpu usage severely drop" ... you're not displaying CPU usage in RTSS overlay so what exactly are we supposed to see?
I meant to say GPU usage, my bad, and also during this video my overlay was bugged out and showed cp usage to be 1-4% so i excluded it I fixed it all in later videos and added all propper information labeled correctly.
What you can do is use DSR and run at a higher resolution, in some games you might even get the same fps with a better looking image.
What is dsr?
@@daystarcreations Dynamic Super Resolution.
Want a 4090 lol. But 5800X3D works like a dream with my 2070 super. Easy 150 FPS
I was thinking it was waste for 1440p then I am like 100FPS with DLSS 3 on Portal RTX. Lets see if I can hold it as long as I did with GTX1080 before the upgrade. For CPU I think I am going to replace 5800x3D at DDR6.
I believe every resolution has its purpose at the moment 1080p has been that Esports crazy high fps+ crazy high monitor Refresh rates...but I believe the 4090 makes 1440p become the new Esports resolution, and makes 4K the new "sweet spot" rather than 1080p being for Esports and 1440p being the sweet spot!
Ofc, this only applies to 4090 as it's overkill in every aspect. Bit imagine e in 2 years from now how a 5070 will be able to match a 4090, at half the price, it'll be the new normal soon!
@@Beefy-Tech I cant wait for 35C summer to enjoy fruits of overbuilt GPU cooler in proper case. I buy HW for the goals and 4090 is going to run strong at 1440p for few generations even with UE5 games with nanite and other performance sucking tech. Later on I am going to reduce details and rely more on DLSS to keep good framerate. I dont upgrade till I get at least double in-game performance to justify the cost.
These games you tested are ridiculously light, I doubt even with a full blown liquid nitrogen fully binned and overclocked 13900k you would be able to get rid of it, not to mention how marginal gains from 165 fps to 200 or 240 to 300 become.
a radeon would serve the cpu better actually due to considerably lower driver overhead
yoo thx, I mostly play CoD and Make content so I wanted to get a cheap RTX 4090 Build, so I might go with 5800X3D + RTX 4090 Thanks!!
thanks, didn't fully understand the polling issue but I'll turn mine down. i think you're saying the high polling causes cpu load, exacerbates the bottleneck and therefore turn down
1000hz is fine, no need to go lower. I used a 4000hz polling rate mouse (razer viper pro v2) and just showed its not Worth using in warzone. I use the 4000hz polling rate in gpu bound games.
how about at 4k with rt on?
I tested 4K in a later video👍
The only reason I hould buy an RTX 4090 is for playing games at 4k in my OLED Tv 65 inch 120hz GSync compatible, if I had a 240hz monitor at 1440p I will buy the 3080ti or 3090 instead but maybe when the 4080ti camera will be a sweet spot..price/ performance on my Ryzen 5800X3D.
Unfortunately those gpu's can't actually run games such as warzone at 240hz 1440p as of season 2. The bare minimum gou for 1440p 240hz consistenly is either a 7900xt or 4080. To be fair, this does only apply to warzone, but being the main game I play I thought I'd mention that
I have a 6700k and suffer on warzone 2 greatly with bad fps.. I've just dropped my mouse polling rate from 1000 to 500, hope this helps a little..
now im with 5800x3d and 6900xt what polling rate i must use?now i have 1000.do you think i must chance to 500?
Nice clip bro, 😂 only bottleneck I see here is your ping latency 😂