Toyota HYBRID BATTERY replacement cost! Not what you thought!?
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- There has been a lot of comments and questions around the topic of how much does it cost to replace a hybrid battery on a Toyota hybrid vehicle.
In this video, I review how much it cost to replace a hybrid battery on something like a 2019 toyota Rav4 hybrid.
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Disclaimer-The pricing stated in this video can vary from dealership to the dealership, model to model, region to region, and country to country. Please refer to your local Toyota dealership for you exact pricing and quote. Pricing mentioned is for battery assembly only and labour of installation.
225K miles on a 2006 Sienna. Just drove california to florida and back. never needed a transmission. never needed engine replacement. No repair ever approached the $4k-$5K range (a new AC compressor and labor was the last significant change, about $900). So I still can't wrap my head around a $4k-$5K battery change as "expected"
Don't forget, you pay that $5k for the battery when you buy it and AGAIN when you REPLACE it.
The initial price of the hybrid is MORE than the gas engine, not less.
@@ginakerry2588 True, but not $5k more. How much more depends on the model but might be as little as $1k more. Hybrids also have significantly lower maintenance costs aside from the battery. Brakes last 2-3 times longer due to regenerative braking, there is no drive belt to replace every few years, the transmission is more reliable and easier to change fluid on, etc. Add all that to the fuel savings and even with a battery change you’re probably ahead with a hybrid. But most first owners aren’t going to keep the car the 15-20 years to need that battery anyway. The average car purchased new is kept for seven years.
Mmytacist, I won't argue with your experience, how could I? But just for consideration, as I mentioned to Gina, hybrids have lower maintenance costs in general as well as the fuel savings. The 2023 Sienna gets 36 mpg for real, and has more HP then your Sienna that prob. gets 20mpg or so.
The brakes will last 2-3 times as long, so prob 70-100k for front and 150k+ for rear. There's no drive belt to change. The transmission is more reliable and less expensive to maintain. All the pumps etc (water, AC compressor) are electric instead of mechanical and tend to last the life of the vehicle. So you save a lot on maintenance and repairs.
The batteries are longer-lasting and less expensive than people think. Toyota learned a lot from the early Prius batteries, and the ones you get now should last at least 15-20 years as long as you keep the fan filter cleaned and don't block the cooling vents (location varies by vehicle). If you do end up needing a replacement, you're not going to pay a dealer to install an OEM battery on a 20yo vehicle, and a quality aftermarket job will be about half or $2500ish. A cheap aftermarket job (with a partially rebuilt battery warranted for only a year) can be had for $1500ish.
Something else to consider is that to meet the ever increasing EPA mpg requirements, engines in new ICE models have features that significantly reduce their reliability and lifespan. Try finding a car that isn't turbocharged, which runs hotter and has oil/fuel dilution issues. Or try finding a car without engine stop/start, which is going to wear the starter and the engine out sooner. Or "eco" mode that powers off some cylinders when not needed - saves gas, but horrible for the engine.
Toyota and most other brands of hybrids don't have engines with these issues, since they use the hybrid system to get the required mpg. And the Toyota hybrid power train is exceptionally reliable.
@@ginakerry2588 I had the 15 accord hybrid, and I paid $3k more than a regular accord, and I had it for 8 years and 2 years left for warranty (10 years + 150K miles in my state) but when I heard that it would cost $4K to replace it, I sold it. overall, I saved around $3k In gas compared to a regular accord. So, the savings from gas just covered the upfront cost. When I bought mine 8 years ago, I was expecting that the cost of battery would come down a lot.. like all other technologies but it is not the case for the battery. I love my hybrid, but from the $$ standpoint, it is not making sense. if you want to save environment, it makes total sense. I don't think that I will get another hybrid anytime soon.
Aftermarket is the way to go.
A guy a work with has 3 toyota hybrid vehicles. 2006 and 2011 highlanders, and a camry. He bought all used high mileage ex fleet vehicles. All are working perfectly. He makes cross country camping trips pulling a trailer with one of the highlanders. All are working great. So great in fact that im convinced and have a new Rav4 hybrid on order. I expect to get many many years of reliable toyota ownership. Im 60 years old, so the Rav I've ordered could very well be the last car I'll ever buy.
I was thinking the same thing as far as lasting me the rest of my life, but I got a new Corolla LE. Only Toyota I could afford, but I figured I don't have to drive in bad weather back and forth to work anymore so I don't need AWD. Got out from under an Outback that did me good for 15 years but rust was setting in bad. The new corolla isn't a hybrid but I live in the country and am getting around 45 mpg driving around 40-50 mph roads for the great amount of time. I won't be driving it in the winter when they put salt down. I can reschedule any appointments for when the roads are clear and dry. It should be my last car. Only thing I don't like so far is getting in and out and I am even starting to get used to the car steering itself. LOL
@LivingInAnInverseReality I don't know, is it new 2023, have a cvt tranny? If It is and you only get 36 you should have someone take a look at it. Toyota says you should get 41 on the highway(at highway speed). I am driving on roads that are between 40 and 50 mph sometimes 30 mph not 75 on the highway that is why it is above 41 mpg highway rating that Toyota specs. 32 is the spec for city mileage. I will say that the mileage I state is coming from the trip computer. I am currently checking this against fuel/miles calculation way over a full tank but I can't imagine it being very much different. On a couple instances of driving very conservatively over about 20 mile trip the computer said that the mileage for the trip was 50 mpg. The sweet spot for the best mileage for most vehicles is between 30 to 50 mph the closer to a steady speed the better as accelerating uses a lot of gas.
@usernumber09 shall I introduce you to my friend from work? I was hybrid hesitant too, until I've seen his incredible success and extremely low maintenance costs. As I mentioned his oldest one is a 2006, and still does cross Canada vacation trips. His youngest child is currently using it. Just shy of 300000kms on it now. I see many hybrid Camry taxi cabs on the roads daily. I'm sure if they were trouble the cabbies wouldn't be using them.
I am sure all of that is true but it is inevitable that at some point soon those batteries will need replacement and that they eventually degrade even if parked long term. What you are describing is the exception rather than the rule. Hybrid and EV's simply aren't suitable for many folks especially in cold climates.
I had a second generation Prius. A new hybrid battery was needed right after the warranty, which cost me US$7,500.00. By the end of the day, I finally knew all the savings towards gas went into this battery and beyond (who knows how they dump the battery to cause environmental damage). I can buy tons of gasoline for $7,500. So NO MORE HYBRID for me.
But you saved the planet….thank you.
@@griswald7156 Save the planet??? If you know how these batteries were made and how they were buried later.
@@kenty6973 darkrulier i worry about waiting hours in a car charge at night..
I worry about being in a battery car when it explodes..
I worry about it stopping in a live lane on the motorway..
The joy of a battery car is very short lived…
It must feel like back to the future when you buy one…and back to the past after you’ve bought it..
They recycle old batteries.
I think an EV battery would be even deeper into your wallet, good thing you had an hybrid..
@@griswald7156 😂 nobody genuinely care what happens to the planet.
I was considering to buy a used camry. This video saved me a lot of money..
Thx man
Seems like a $5000 charge would more than negate the fuel savings. While you can expect it will cost more, I don’t think you should should expect it to die in less than 200k miles.
Older priuses were having battery cells die around the 180,000 mile mark. Which is why the warranty used to be 8 years, and some people did have to use the warranty before then.
You know that warranty was prorated.
As gas prices rise it will cost $100 per 15 gallons on mid size sedan or minisuv.
Thats $200 a month or 2.4k a year.
Hybrid will save you $10k on gas. The only downside is the $5000 battery and the initial higher cost.
For people who dont drive much hybrids will break even.
For people who drive alot. Hybrids are a no brainer.
@@zlonewolf I personally love them. My wife drives a RAV4 hybrid, and I just got my Grand Highlander hybrid. 40 mpg in mixed city hiway driving. That is more than double what my highlander was getting.
I doubt gas prices will rise to $6.66 per gallon anytime soon.
I bought a 2009 Prius new and it came with an 8 year warranty. At the time, a battery replacement was estimated at $8000. People said it was crazy to buy a hybrid because it was certain to fail at 8 years and cost $8000. Surprise, surprise the battery lasted 13 years (225k km) and the total repair cost was $2200 because I chose to go with a reconditioned battery rather than a new battery. I've had the car for a further 1.5 years and so far the reconditioned battery is fine. There is a whole sub-industry around refurbishing, re-cycling, and repairing batteries that has brought the cost down. $2200 is still a lot of money, but way cheaper than buying a different vehicle.
have you estimated your fuel savings overall? just curious
Have you considered that a recond battery is almost certain to fail in a very very much shorter time than the original ? But I would like to know your savings in fuel as comparison to a full combustion engined non EV vehicle? I would also like to know what your tyre wear was in comparison to non EV.
I replaceed my 2005 Prius battery at a little over 180k miles at a dealer at slightly under$3500. now my car is over 35k miles. I replaced front brake pads 1st time at 220k miles and the real drum pads at 280k miles
@@LowestDifficultyI’ve never estimated it too specifically. I’m actually a fairly low mileage driver so I wouldn’t be saving as much as someone else driving more. If I hadn’t bought the Prius I probably would have bought a non-hybrid Corolla - which is smaller but with fuel efficiency numbers close to the Prius! But a different driver might have bought a bigger car SUV or minivan. So in terms of savings… I probably only spent about CAD$1200 per year (2.5 fills a month at an average of $40 a fill). In a different car (ICE Odyssey) it probably would have been about $2400 a year. Or ICE Corolla maybe $1500 a year. versus a Corolla that’s $3900 over 13 years. Versus the Odyssey that’s $15600. I’m doing a lot of estimating here so I could be off a bit. The Prius had very low maintenance… the worst was the 12V battery which needed replacing every 3 or 4 years but was a non-standard shape so pricier than it should be. I did have a coolant pump replacement that cost about $900. I had the brakes serviced a few times and full brake job just once. (I used to live in a hilly city any my old Corolla need brake pads every year or two! Now living in a much flatter city.)
@@Rob-fx2dwI do expect the used battery will fail in a smaller number of years. I don’t know what to estimate… 4 years? When that happens I think the car will be scrap. 17 years isn’t so bad for a car.
So far so good. I have a 2007 Prius with 265,000 miles with original hybrid battery. Bought the car used and have had it for 16 years now. I get about 40mpg all around driving. That's good enough for me. 👍
You been got your money worth.And the batteries are very sturdy.
My first Prius was 2009 and the last 1.5 gen 2. It is 14yrs old and so far to quote Toyota agent. " not a darn thing wrong with it" My second is a 2010 1.8 and no worries. One item that can cause issues is the little 12v in the boot (trunk). Attach "tails to it to make life easy and charge either by "trickle" or small solar panel when the sun shines. In Uk the 1.5 averges 54 Local trips and 61 on a run. The 1.8 usually does all the long runs with it's cruise control and averages 66mpg cruising at 70mph
Prius is prime example of a entire car designed for fuel economy and then claim "See hybrid is much better". Disregarding that without the hybrid system the same car would be very very fuel efficient too. And 100kg+ less mass! And a lot cheaper and a lot less polluting to produce.
My Toyota Hybrid is now 13 years old, and the battery is just fine. Nothing to worry about so far ! It's a Toyota folks !!
Which model are you driving and how many miles are on it?
@@gregpanke3752 I own a low milage ( 150.000 km ) Auris Hybride ( European 'Baby' Prius with Prius driveline ) that was imported from Germany to the Netherlands. They are not on the market anymore as Auris, but changed back under their old name Corolla.
My dad used to say that gas is the cheapest thing you'll ever put in a car. His favorite cars were Cadillacs with big block V8 engines, back in the seventies and eighties. Repairs have gotten so expensive that it actually makes sense to buy new, and trade whenever your car reaches 80,000 miles or so, thus avoiding repairs. I have a 2023 Camry with the 2.5 liter I4. It averages 36 MPG in mixed driving. I'm just not interested in hybrids. The small fuel cost savings are not worth the risk of an expensive battery replacement, the higher upfront cost, and the extra complexity.
They are also worse for the environment where the batteries corrode and runoff, are not financially feasible to recycle, and where they are mined. It also involves huge profits going to China and a big push by China for hybrids in any country dumb enough to buy them, and it also support child slave labor in dangerous and deadly working conditions. The extra weight also adds more taxes since the roads break down further. We already pay a gas tax for this reason, as more people switch to hybrids+ev you can bet they will add a road tax on electric as well. The only sure things in life are death and taxes.
In addition,making all of these industrial products in China threatens the oceans around the world. It's a well known fact that you can dump anything, anywhere in China as long as you grease the right palms.
Rivers are just so convenient to rid themselves of waste products.
That's not very green.
What are you talking about? A brand new car is like $25,000-$30,000 at the cheapest. Some more expensive ones that aren’t even luxury cars I’ve seen $50,000 to $100,000.
On the other hand, rebuilding an engine or transmission is like $2,000 to $6,000. And those are the probably most expensive repairs you can do.
So you can potentially rebuild both the engine and transmission twice each and still spend less money than a cheap brand new car.
And if you rebuild the engine and transmission just once in a car at some point in its life, it can last well over 250k miles, if it’s a good brand like Toyota AND you take good care of it.
I made numbers buying a 2024 rav4 hybrid vs my 2014 Nissan rogue with currently 151000 miles no big issues 23 mpg, and the new hybrid will save me 16k in gas assuming battery last 150k miles plus I do all the maintenance in my 3 cars so I think is worth give it a shot with a hybrid if it last me 200 k miles like I been seen many it will be much more worth plus I can buy a used hybrid battery and install it my self👍🏻
Marcello, to be honest, I'm shocked at this pricing. Why? Because the 2019-Present RAV4 Hybrid has a battery of about 1.5 kWh capacity. $4,000 is extremely expensive for a battery of that capacity. Even accounting for the markup for being a Toyota OEM battery, this price shocks me. Given a Toyota hybrid would probably be 15+ years old when the battery needs to be replaced, I would not spend this much to replace one. I'd see what the aftermarket part situation looked like and try to find a reputable aftermarket battery. I just did some web searches, and found a company (Green Bean Battery) that will come to you and replace a 2016-2018 RAV4 hybrid battery with a new aftermarket one for $2750 all in, parts and labor, for example.
a uTuber named ChrisFix has done a hybrid battery replacement video. Not the hardest thing to do. The 5k pricing is to be expected from dealer service. Also, I'd suspect as the vehicle ages, the cost will go down. I agree with your approach on finding a reputable aftermarket battery. Merci
Yeah sure, because the price of everything ALWAYS GOES DOWN.😂😂😂
@@ginakerry2588 Huh? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Dealer repairs are always more expensive than independent shops, I was just pointing out (correctly) that the dealer markup here is beyond anything reasonable. What does inflation have to do with that at all? “😂😂😂” back at you.
@@ginakerry2588 Ah, I suspect you were replying to biz4twobiz. Well, he’s right. Currently for this new a car, there’s a very low demand for replacement batteries. So there are not going to be many made by companies other than Toyota. As the car ages, demand for batteries will increase, causing more companies to make them, increasing supply and competition, which lowers the price. Basic economics.
@biz4twobiz463, about 2-3 weeks ago, I called an AZ dealer for a hybrid battery price no labor, and they said it would cost me $3,750. That's expensive 😮
Yes; there is still concern. You did a nice job explaining however many owners keep their vehicles for much longer than the warranty period
We have standardly had our cars for over 30 years (still running and in garage )
It may seem relevant to compare the cost of replacing a battery which is less than that od an engine engine BUT the fact is you have ALL THREE - an engine and transmission as well as battery in these hybrid vehicles. That has to taken into consideration in estimation the long term cost of ownership compared to purely combustion engine options either diesel or petrol.
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My 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid has over 120k miles on it and we have replaced the brake pads once, and the OEM 12-volt battery once (November 2022). That's all so far!
I drove my 2011 Camry for 130K miles. Replaced the brakes at 110K miles! A couple of batteries. Batteries typically last 3-4 years no matter the vehicle. I sold my car 6 months ago for $11,250 and bought an older 2008 Solara Convertible for 13K with 60K miles on it. Talking about a win-win. That was a win-win!
Driving 12K miles per year at $3.4 per gallon for regular gas costs $2,040 at 20 miles per gallon and $1,1165 at 35 miles per gallon. So the savings are $874 per year. A RAV4 hybrid car costs ~$3K more than a regular gas. Thus, just from the gas perspective it takes ~3.5 years to break even.
Keeping the car for 10 or 12 years implies a very high likelihood of battery replacement, which is ~$6K.
Thus, in a 10 year period ownership the costs are about the same.
Am I missing anything?
Yeah, used car buyers apparently? Also, "very high likelihood" is clear politicking on your part, since the minimum life expectancy on a Toyota battery is 150k, not 120k. By your own metrics that would be two full years of dependability you're just shaving off w/a false statement? And where did you get $6k from? The cost in CAD is 4k, that makes it $3K USD, so you must have done your math backwards, although you do appear to be bending over backwards to present falsities. Am I missing anything, cuz it sure the fuck feels like I am. Your agenda.
You can also buy this battery non-OEM & install it yourself for just $2000 USD
The battery wasn’t the issue with my 2010 Highlander Hybrid, the inverter quit. Replacement cost was $11,000, plus labour and taxes = $13,000, just about what it’s worth. I located an used inverter 3,000 miles away. Total repair, with me doing the removal and replace was $2,500 Cdn. My guess it would cost another $1,000 in labour. The Toyota dealer would not install the the used inverter and I couldn’t find someone to do it. The dealer offered me $600 for it in the broken condition. So far, it’s been 6 months and everything is running ok.
Why would any vehicle buyer want to get into this hassle?
OMG - that price is an obscenity. My local Toyota dealer quoted me $3500 to replace my rear AWD system on my 2011 Venza because it was noisy. Fixed it myself with a bearing worth less than a hundred bucks. Love the vehicle, not so happy with their idea of customer care on the service side...
As your battery ages its capacity drops. However its weight does not change. You are still carrying around the extra weight of the battery, control system and motor as the propulsive benefit and fuel efficiency decreases with age.
why is it more expensive to change the rear charging cable ($6000)which is known to corrode and will corrode. To which Toyota has been fighting to only cover for 3 years
Good question!!
Planned obsolence, Toyota is no longer a brand marketed for quality. They are now just the best of the worst. Just look at what they did to the Tundra.
Does every single RAV4 charging cable corrode. Mine is in perfect condition still.
Do you have the official stats on the corrosion as in corrosion per number of vehicles.
@@johnmartin7158 only in cold weather areas that salt the roads in winter. There are a few class action law suits. One in Quebec and one in the US
Warranty for cable has been extended to 8 years/160 K km (Customer Support Program 22TE09 for 2019-2022 Rav4), so it's not a problem anymore.
We own an '18 RAV4 XLE Hybrid (bought an extended warranty when new from the dealer) but even if it is out of warranty my main concern is , is there a problem with getting a replacement battery ordered and the wait time? So many parts today get back ordered. That would be my main concern.
I have a 2016 Prius with 280k, oil change, tires and brake pads around 260k, I love it
I own a 2012 PriusV. I replaced my traction battery at 208k miles with a rebuilt, cost $2k. It lasted 2 years, 50k miles. I next went to my local Toyota dealer. The price for a new traction battery had dropped in that 2 years from $4k to $3k installed. Went with the new one. Car has 278k miles on it and still runs great. 42-45mpg.
Reasonable would be around 3000 installed max. By the time the battery needs replacement the vehicle will be worth 10k or 16k.
I've read that hybrid owners are having their batteries replaced or rebuilt by small shops that specialize in this business. They can be less than half the cost of a new battery from manufacturer, but their warranty may not be as good.
Hello, is the "cable gate" issue with the RAV4 Hybrids already fixed with the newer models like 2023 and 2024? Follow up question, does the cable gate issue only affects the RAV4's?
If you are referring to the corrosion issue of the cable, my understanding is that the issue has been fixed. I bought a 2022 Toyota Venza (basically the same vehicle as the RAV4, just a slightly different body and maybe a fancier interior), so I was concerned about this too back when I was buying it (June 2022). I found a UA-cam video of a mechanic who was going over the various features of the Venza & he mentioned the cable corrosion problem and explained how it had been fixed in the 2022 model. He also mentioned that it's the same issue experienced in the older RAV4s. I've read before that UA-cam won't let you include links, so in case this link doesn't show up or work, you can find the video on "The Car Care Nut" UA-cam channel, and the video is titled "THIS Toyota New Model is a Total Hidden Gem! Should've Been a Lexus!". The 14:54 minute mark is where he talks about the cable. I hope this helps!
ua-cam.com/video/pXmsCYJ4Rhc/v-deo.htmlsi=OEOT22O6qpfA4N3O
09 HH. Toyota quote $7000. HybridToGo used battery $2500. Replacements failed, more brake/code problems. Junked it.
Perfectly good Arizona car perfectly maintained. Lots of life. Junked early because of the battery. Replaced it with an V6 Highlander that gets the same actual 24 mpg that the HH did.
No batteries for me.
I have never changed my hybrid battery on my 07 highlander currently obd sides 165,601 But my toyota has always had maintained all the fliuds and air vents to the battery and so no major maintenance yet besides ac,heater pannals and Radiator /fans replaced the only major issue thus far so great car still my option but toyota told me I keep it up the battery could last upto 300k on my pacific model highlander if maintained ❤ best vehicle I've ever had thus far
It appears that approximately all of the cash you saved on fuel will be spent on a hybrid battery replacement.
Well, you are doing a good job of skating around the REAL cost of a battery replacement. So, basically around $4000 cdn plus another $800 cdn in labor, eh? Add in taxes and miscellaneous odds and ends, and you are looking at $5000 plus. Comparing that to the cost of an engine or transmission simply does not compute because the hybrid still has these things. In short, if your battery "end of lifes," it will cost you at least 5 grand. No further candy coating is necessary. Now compare that to the value of the car, and it could be headed for the scrapyard. Just my opinion.
Remember folks, these are dealer a.k.a "stealer" prices. Other independent shops are going to be much cheaper than this. Also, Just like what he said, hybrid batteries are under warranty for 8-10 years, and most hybrid batteries will last 10, 12+ years which is many more years than most folks will be keeping their car.
LOL have you ever tried to get any of these insurance claims? Ever read the fine prints? I am sure they will also say if dented/scratch it is not covered on manufacture warranty. How about that battery replacement for a Hyundai costing 60K, a cost more than the actual purchase price of the car with its initial battery. It happened to two customer, same amount. The battery wasn't even damage one of them just got a scratch on the battery cover. Just wait once there is a complete mandate to transition everything will be more expensive than they are now.
2006 Honda Accord V6, 109,000 miles. Honda timing belt, water pump, accessory belt, timing belt tensioner and front break pads w/ rotor resurfaced. $1385 out the door. It will run another 100,000 mile now without issue.
2014 Prius with 80k original miles. Vehicle's gas mileage drops dramatically (25mpg) on hot days. Would Toyota consider battery replacement if I'm under on miles but over in years?
Our two 07 prius has original brakes 165kmi so if you factor in a few brake jobs you've paid for the battery and gotten great economy.
On the Mit Colt (2006) i had in the past, with ZERO economy features, the original brakes lasted 180K km with a lot of city driving. I mean really a lot of city driving.
I bought a 2009 Camry in 2014 with 119k miles on it. I bought it because at the time I had a long commute and needed to have a comfortable car which got great gas mileage. It now has 190k on it. It has had almost no problems, and none related to the hybrid battery. I just replaced the original starting 12 volt battery because I figured that 14 years of use was fair and we have a hot summer coming! The car has no alternator to fail. The regenerative braking system means that you rarely need brake maintenance.There is no conventional transmission to fail. My only hybrid-criticism is the AC doesn't operate at full capacity when you're stuck in heavy traffic on a very hot day. Maybe Toyota fixed this in the last 7 iterations😅. In my personal experience of having to pay huge engine and transmission repair bills on recently out of warranty ICE cars and trucks and watching my US made cars start to fall apaty after 100k miles at least buying Japanese makes a lot of sense. I don't think plug-in EVs make any sense given lack of charging infrastructure and lack of grid resources which will surely fail when millions of EVs are plugged in after their daily commutes.
There’s a ton to worry about for those of us who plan on keeping the vehicle for a long time. By the time the warranty expires, this battery will be a relic from the past and thus a specialty item.-Meaning, of course, much more costly than the numbers you quote while it’s being mass produced. Hybrid? No thanks.
Looking at the ads for the companies that rebuild hybrid batteries, it looks like they do most of their business with the older models. Getting parts may be a problem after 20 years, but definitely not after ten.
And you still have a engine and transmission to worry about
Toyota hybrids are indeed reliable. However the dollars versus gas savings don't add up, especially on non Prius models. Factoring in the added purchase price and replacement battery cost with installation, conservatively I could easily buy enough gas to travel at least another 80,000 miles.
Because people are going to 3rd party for battery replacement, the price is almost half, that's why you have not seen
A fair amount of Gen 2 Prius owners DIY either reconditioning, replacing bad blades... or shop around at different dealerships for a new Hybrid battery. I've seen them for as low as $2k in U.S. dollars. I have one 2008 with 382k miles... with Original Hybrid Battery. The other 2008 we have has around 224k miles, original battery, so they can last a long time.
That’s still $5000 more than you’ll ever spend on a gas only vehicle. How about resale? Who’s gonna want to buy a 6 to 8 year old hybrid when they know the battery can go at any time.
How do you know if you buy a 6 to 8 years old ICE vehicle that the transmission isn't going to go at any time also? Or the engine for that matter.
@@henryhonda8408 Same can be said about a hybrid at that age with the ADDED expense of a failed battery. Nice try!!!
@@henryhonda8408 It's mind blowing that you thought this comment was even logical. We know the expected lifespans of hybrid batteries and older transmissions and engines. Toyota was always very iterative and had strict quality control in their engine designs meaning their engines and transmissions will last in many cases 25+years with regular maintenance unless it was a model year where something went wrong at the factory. You can already see the market values of older Teslas, priuses, and camry hybrid and electric vehicles vs ICE vehicles like a Forerunner. You will lose a huge amount of your vehicle's value through depreciation, since only an uninformed person, a rich person who likes to throw money away, or an idiot would buy a used hybrid or EV because of the risk of buying a money pit that hybrid and electrical components are and the increased cost of labor for those components, and the lack of non-dealer mechanics even willing to work on those components.
Perhaps your wife says the same about you and she wants a younger trade in.
A@@gyahahaandkyahaha1345 Apparently there's a lot of idiots out there because hybrids (especially Toyotas) resale values are incredibly high. Maybe you should check the mirror and you may spot an idiot. 🤔🙃
Toyota Hybrid batteries and the Hybrid system in general is pretty much bullet proof! The only reason I see a Hybrid battery not going to the distance is due to the user not using the car and the car sitting for months at a time or even just sitting for a year. This is never good for a hybrid battery. Take it for a real drive once in a while. Your Hybrid battery will thank you!
I have a 16 Toyota Camry Hybrid Le and love it. I do plan in a few years to upgrade my Camry to a Toyota RAV4 in the future and should be absolutely amazing! Love, Toyota!
The need to drive a hybrid regularly seems to be a common comment. Leaving them in the driveway for long periods is not healthy for the battery. The other fairly common comment is that really hot weather, as they have in the southern US states, may be a problem as well. On the other hand they likely don't have the rust related issues that those of us in Eastern Canada and NE US have with salted roads.
@@gregpanke3752 even diesel engines need to be driven long rides to prevent buildup
Ok so what I understand is that I have to pay 5k more just for the hybrid model. Then I somehow have to save that 5k in gas since that is what I am paying for and then pay 5k again to replace the battery? So basically over 5 years I am paying 10k and saving 5k? So my total cost is 5k extra and I have more things that can go wrong with the car. Is that correct? Would like to get someone’s opinion cuz I don’t see a point getting a hybrid if it doesn’t last that long. I am a pretty active driver and drive atleast 70-80 km daily so it doesn’t really make sense for me.
Not just that, but the high voltage cables are corroding and cost 6k.
The petrol only version is pretty gutless. It’s not just the finances, the driving experience of the Hybrids whether it’s HEV or PHEV is far superior. A lot more gruntier and powerful.
Get a V6 guaranteed not to be gutless.
When people talk about saving $5k on gas they are not counting it correctly. The only gas savings is the difference between for instance 35mpg non hybrid vs 50mpg hybrid.
Hybrid doesn't even double your gas mileage.
So if it gets you an extra 15mpg, then you saved about 35% on your gas .
If you get 35mpg you'll buy 2800 gals of gas to go 100,000 miles.
If you get 50mpg you'll buy 2000 gallons of gas to go 100,000 miles.
800 gals of gas x $4 = 3200 gas savings (I'm currently paying $3/gal). Which you can use as a down-payment on that next $5000 battery .
Hybrid's true value is for virtue signaling ONLY .
There's no practical savings there..at very best possible outcome its a break even.
The price difference between hybrid and non hybrid depends what car you are getting.
On Corolla the difference is $1300, on Camry is $2000, on rav4 is $3000 any way it's not $5000 as you proclaimed!!
The savings on gas is the hardest part to calculate because it depends on way too many factors: how far you are driving/year, city or highway, your driving style and most importantly the price of the fuel in your area over the life of your ownership.. etc... With the high gas prices now (and increasing) it is a CERTAINTY you gonna save money over the long run!!
However the savings is more than just the fuel. The oil lasts longer and your brake also lasts longer.
The battery can last a lot longer than what people assume. Many many taxi drivers in NY who use Prius or Camry hybrids can testify that the battery last more than 400K miles!!!
I personally had the 2012 Prius that was still on the original battery ( roughly 220k miles) on the day I sold it last year albeit at the reduced mpg. I'm sure the new type of battery can last even longer.
@@henrytenden hey. So I forgot to mention here in Canada no dealer gives a shit, 3000 usd is close to 4100 cad and then 13% tax on 4100 that’s 4700. So nearly 5k. And I do get that their is a huge savings in the gas section and more power but as someone who wants to be in very little debt, it really doesn’t make sense for me. However there are extreme advantages of hybrid, I had a 2011 Toyota Camry hybrid for 3 years and I got about 7l/100 km in city and 5l/100 km on the highway, now Ofc it would have been wayyy higher if I had new batteries, and that is exactly what I am trying to say. Like in 10 years I don’t want to dumb another 3-4K just in the battery only and have it last for 10 years even tho it is quite a long time. Hope this made sense
Any tips for keeping the hybrid battery healthy on a Toyota Rav4 Gen5?
I’m definitely going for Toyota over other brands, in fact I will come to your location when ready for purchase
Thx
For the Prius, most are reliable at least 175 thousand miles. After that, some need an expensive new or repaired battery or a new generator. The RAV-4 hybrid is too new to know much about reliability. You also should consider the extra weight of the hybrid battery making cornering worse but straight line comfort better, faster tire wear from the extra weight, and much longer lasting brake pads from the battery charging during braking. Hybrids are much better city vehicles than long trip highway vehicles for gas mileage, and for a curvy mountain road lighter is better.
The weight of a RAV4 hybrid (HEV not PHEV) battery in the new models is
The cost of the Hybrid braking system is $5,000
2019 Lexus ES400h w same hybrid powertrain as RAV4 and is rated at 43 city, 44 highway. I’ve managed almost 49 mpg over a trip from Cleveland to Charlotte. Many advantages with hybrids over ICE.
@@valueprovider I can still buy a lot of extra fuel with that $5000. Add the extra purchase cost of the hybrid on top of this and I don't see how a hybrid can pay for itself.
2008 Prius NO BATTERRY PROBLEMS 200k, traded in for a 2021 RAV4 hybrid
Very reasonable. Remember the ICE companion, and trans is less worn from use. The cost is reasonable and the vehicle will last over 300k miles if not longer. 4k every 10 years for a high gas mileage vehicle that will see you through the gas price fluctuations. The oil lobby is the latest version of the Highwayman.
My wife bought a RAV4 hybrid a few months ago and although the price you quoted as being around 40 grand Canadian is about right, don't forget that this price includes all the add on items that were not ordered, or required, they are a few thousand bucks worth of non-Toyota items that my wife will be paying loan interest on, because all the dealers of every make cheat their customers right at point of sale. It's a sneaky underhanded trick.
Other than that, Toyotas are great vehicles, especially the rav4.
Thanks you for the video helps a lot to make a decision on a hybrid. So in US dollars for comparison to replace the batteries on a rav4 is about 6000 dollars that’s a hefty chunk of change to consider is you plan on keeping a hybrid long term. In my case bye bye hybrid.
Thanks for giving us the ballpark estimate cost, much appreciated.
These prices are very reasonable. The battey cost alone on the IONIQ 5 EV is $56K + taxes canadian. This is a a big reason I would not jump into buying an EV too quickly
So it’s about $3,500 to $4,000 more to buy a hybrid then another $4k for the battery that may or may not last long ??? Plus when a Toyota hybrid needs work done to it I’m gonna have to go to a Toyota dealership that charges $150 to $180 an hour vs a gas car that any $100 an hour mechanic can work on ?
Do all new Toyota hybrids come with a standard hybrid battery warranty? or do you have to purchase an extended warranty?
It confounds me as to WHY the owner of the vehicle is only ALLOWED to remotely start the vehicle 2 times for 10 minutes each time before having to physically open the door at the very least in order to RESET the remote START.
WTF? Are they kidding me? Why?????
Upgrade the software or whatever needs to be done to at least be able to remotely START the vehicle 2 TIMES PER DAY without having to PHYSICALLY reset it.
What if I go away on vacation for 2 or 3 weeks and have no one to physically START my vehicle for the hybrid battery's health? I can ONLY start it TWICE and that's all? Come on. This annoys the hell out of me since these GENIUSES have ZERO COMMON SENSE.
Where does their REASONING skills lie?
WTF?
WITH THAT PRICE I WONT … ITS LIKE A PHONE BATTER WORTH 700-1000 dollars for replacement if u can buy a new model brand new faster chip updated model for 1200-1500 ill buy new instead!! Than replacing the battery with an old unit..
You are paying approx $2200 extra for a Hybrid, then add another $5000 for battery replacement, Hybrid Battery filters and Insurance would be more. I would just buy gas model and purchase protection plan...
Shouldnt 2019 rav4 battery be still under warranty?
What's the point of selling the RAV Prime if it's never available for sale. The dealers said the they are stop making it but yes it's available.
This is a relief. Thank you.
Fowler Toyota's Repair Dept. in Tulsa, OK on 9/8/23 said a replacement battery for a 2020 Camry Hybrid with LABOR and FEDERAL TAXES and EPA FEES would cost $14,232.00 PLUS a $700 Federal re-inspection fee (required on ALL battery equipped road vehicles in the US) and POSSIBLE $3500 EPA emissions test (done near Houston, TX and you MUST transport the vehicle NOT DRIVE IT). The assistant head of the Service Dept. goes to my church. He said "Drive it off in the river". He asked me "Why doesn't our used car dept. have ONE SINGLE hybrid or EV for sale???" The "dead" Prius on my Credit Union's parking lot for nearly 8 years now could be the answer. We can't PAY to get it taken away...
Its kind of like trying to dispose of a camper but nobody will take and will cost you dearly at a garbage dump. Or like a fiberglass boat compared to aluminium which a scrapyard will pay you for the metal and nobody will take the fiberglass one.
That battery should still be under warranty. This doesn't make any sense.
I've got a Ford Escape Hybrid 2005. NiMH hybrid battery. 210k miles.
I ran Forscan the other day. Still says the hybrid battery condition is fine.
Hi Marcello, I really like all the greatest news about Toyota you bring on this channel. The hybrid battery you showed on the Video looks similar to Prius with 28 modules NiMiH. I thought Toyota switched to lithium iron battery for RAV4.
Thank you, just what I wanted to know.
I think hybrids make the most sense for people who drive a lot, especially if they’re doing a fair bit of city driving, This is why they make excellent taxi cabs. For people who drive 20,000 km (12,000 mi) or less per year, a simple gas vehicle is likely the proper choice. If you drive over 25,000 km (15,000 mi) per year, then yes, a hybrid may start to make sense. I’d really only consider a Toyota hybrid. They really have the most experience. And there is plenty of real world evidence that shows they can last.
CAD$ 5000 is about 2800 liters of gas, which lets say you can go for 30,000 km driving conservatively on a 4 cylinder car. Question is how long it will take me to save 2800 liters of gas driving a hybrid RAV4.
Thanks for the value info and the peace of mind
So in addition to the hybrid battery replacement that cost almost $5K. How about engine and transmission replacement cost for the Rav4 hybrid if needed? The hybrid battery is an additional cost on top of the engine and transmission replacement if need be?..no?
Labor charges are always 2 or 3 times more than parts?, at any Toyota/Honda dealership here in Arizona
Absolutely correct. I live in Montreal and here Honda dealer charge $125 plus taxes per hour.. which is very expensive!!
Correct! Annoying to see the jod details labor is more expensive than parts!
What do you think the labor rate will be in 7 years when you have that battery replaced the next time??
Hilarious how posters here try to convince you it will be CHEAPER in 7 or 8 yrs to replace a battery .😂😂
While it’s a fact that Toyota is the best value vis-a-vie build quality and reliability, if in 15 years your dealership has never sold a hybrid battery is that either their prices are obscene or that they lie every time their lips move 😅
I work from home and do not drive too much. Battery is the most thing to block me to buy Hybrid car.
The real question is, did the hybrid save you $5000 in fuel over the ice model.
That is a very valid question. It probably depends on how much you drive. For a taxi cab owner, the hybrids are obviously a very good choice. For a person who works from home or is retired, $5,000 buys a at least a few years of gasoline.
They don't sell new batteries because a lot of the times they just need to replace bad cells and the good ones are very very sturdy.
Are there stats on hybrid vehicles in accidents? Occupants are trapped until the hybrid battery is disabled.
Thanks. Is it worth taking RAV4 Hybrid against regular RAV4? Because there is not much difference in MPG.. but Intrested to know any other benefits/additional features when it comes to Hybrid RAV4?
Oh for sure. Better value on all accounts
@@ToyotaWorld thank you🙏
Will, stick with my Rav diesel 2015 , 80,000 on the clock should last another 10 years but probably much longer if serviced regularly.
Yeah, there is. older cars will suffer resale issues. Gas motor vehicles are going to hold their value better.
I heard the insurance for these types of vehicle is much more because of the battery being damaged in a collision.
Hyundai and Kia advised owners to park away from the house because it may catches fire....
I've heard about that also....... sad.
nothing to do with hybrids or batteries
Hyundai and Kia manufacture the worst automobiles on the planet. They had to take a write down of $2B recently due to a class action lawsuit about their engines. Instead of taking responsibility and replacing the bad engines under warranty, Hyundai rejected the warranty claims by blaming the owners for the engine failure. How would you like to have a 100K mile drive train warranty on your Hyundai and then have your engine fail @ 50K miles and be told that it wasn't covered under their warranty because the engine failed through abuse/neglect by the owner of the vehicle. This is why any vehicle manufactured by Hyundai and Kia depreciate like crazy. They are garbage. Anyone who buys one of these automobiles isn't very bright.
@rickeybenson823 of you are stupid enough not to change your oil at stipulated intervals, why should manufacturer cover you. Few good years back 3.5 v6 in my santa fe developed problems and it was replaced under warranty. I was only asked for the records of oil changes.
Had a Prius V for 300k kms and it was great saving gas but as fun as a toaster. Have an RX350 na engine now and its a dream to drive; boy did I miss the shifts from a normal transmission vs CVT. I learned lifes too short for boring cars
You wasted half of your life driving a cvt. 😊
The batteries in Toyota hybrids are warranted for 10 years and 150,000 miles.
does this come standard with a new vehicle purchase or do you have to purchase this extra/extended warranty?
@@jicalzad It is posted on their website that it is standard on all newly purchased hybrids.
The 2024 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid XLE purchase costs $3000 more than the non hybrid counterpart. At $4/gal, the hybrid will produce $3500 to $8500 gasoline savings if driven 200,000 miles. So net savings of $500 to $5000 before you figure in the battery replacenebt cost. I would expect one to two new battery changeouts for 200,000 miles. So the hybrid option would probably cost $5500 to $11,500 more over the life of the car.
Looked into possibly trading in my 21 tundra for a New tundra I force max Great technology. Newer Tundra just was not big guy friendly. 6,4 275lbs. Wasn't as comfortable for me and my V8 just seemed more responsive. The 21 tundra just is the perfect fit for me.
Keep the older,easier on the eyes '21. The V-8 is thirsty but reliable.
How much does driving a hybrid car save in Gasoline over the life of the hybrid battery . Say the battery lasts 10 years , how much was saved in gasoline over those 10 years to cover the extra cost of a hybrid vehicle and a new battery ?
I love my regular rav4. Not a hybrid
Hey, they just recalled a bunch of Toyota Rav 4 because of fires from the battery.
I'm staying with my 2017 Honda SUV with the V6 . I only have 55 Thousand miles on the engine. I dont want to get Financially Hosed on some Stupid Battery.
Another site had a Hybrid Battery replacement at 130K miles. Replacing a battery in 4 hours is highly questionable. I mean EVERYTHING in the back seat AND trunk has to be removed! I would like to see a Houdini trick to accomplish that! But even using the $6000 price tag, isn't that about the same as replacing an engine in a gas only vehicle. And that would commonly occur at 300K miles?
Most ICE engines, at least all the GDI variants, will be toast at 130k. So this seems pretty reasonable considering it would be an "end of life" owner who won't have paid much for the car anyway.
In UK car warranty 10y ( 100k miles ) and 15y hybrid battery warranty
How much is the battery replacement for a non hybrid? $0
Yeah. The original Toyota battery should last 12-15 years. If I have a car that long and old, it's not worth that much anyways. I would problably just go to a discount aftermarket battery shop to change the battery for a couple thousand. Why spend a lot of money on what is an old car? If you really want a OEM Toyota battery, then spend the 5k. Engines, transmissions and AC replacements are also expensive at the dealer and those can break too on a car that old. And you did save all that money on gas over the years. At some point it's over analysis on a possible repair 12+ years down the road.
(hybrid rav 4= 150000miles(end of warranty)/40mpg*4$ pgallon= $15000 + battery placement. ) (none hybrid rav4 = 150000miles/25mpg*$4 per gallon= $25000 fueld. if the battery replace cost is less than $10000, then you break almost even. my best buddy was quoted for new battery for lexus es hybrid. $18000. i regularly hear hybride replacement costing about $20k else where.. so hybrid does not make that much sense if one just look at the fueling cost.
Is it necessary to change the transmission oil on the hybrid? How many miles would that be necessary?
Not sure if it is necessary but I'd do it anyways. Every 60-90k or 6-9 years. Whatever is sooner
You won’t catch me buying a hybrid until they get this battery cost under control. Or I hit the lottery lol
I got a rav4 xse and i love it but the battery only lasts 3 to 5 years. They say it can cost 4k i kind of wished I didn't get it.
I think the money you saved on gas will easily cover the cost of a battery after 10 yrs. And if the batteries improve and the price is reasonable due to the number of hybrids in use, then it might work out in your favor. That’s what I’m hoping for. Sometimes technology gets cheaper over time due to new innovations.
$5,000 is cheaper than a new transmission. That's VERY good!
The more complex the car is, the higher the cost to maintain it to work properly is
Save more earlier and pay more later for hybrid batteries😢
Имам Rav4 2016 hibride executieve. Никога несъм влизал в гараж за ремонт-никога единствено смяната на масло ,маслен филтър,въздушен и интериорен.4 гуми и само каране.230 000км No PROBLEM ❤
Nissan skyline 350gt 2014 hybrid...could u plese give me the price of the battery...and the brand/type
Cool technology. My opinion is go all electric or all gas. Hybrid too complicated to fix
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