Every time I hear of the destruction of cultural artifacts or records, I feel the urge to scream. Not just because we sever a link to the past, but because once that link is severed, it can never be repaired. Thank God something survived because I cannot imagine a worse fate than living within the land of your ancestors, witnessing their glory and culture, and never knowing that you did so.
Exactly I cringe when black Christians or Muslims say that they would want to smash artifacts from pagan eras if they har the power. I'm here like, why would you want to be ignorant of your past?
Sad part is that there’s people out there who actually romanticize that time and former country. Not surprised considering the typical group of people who romanticize Rhodesia
hearing about lost knowledge makes me feel disappointed but intrigued. Hearing about ruined artefacts that indicate there could be more underground makes me hopeful for future discoveries. Hearing about stolen artefacts from tombs to be sold makes me angry but at least those could survive in some rich dude's mansion even though we don't know where it is. Hearing about ruined artefacts by accident makes me feel sad, BUT hearing about deliberately destroyed artefacts without any analysis is just outrageous. Many things can happen to ancient stuff, from stupid tourists to authoritary regimes, but this is worse than all of the other scenarios...
I've said it before in my South Africa and it's nice to see it being confirmed more and more: The stoney cities of Zimbabwe mirror the early civilizations of Mesopotamia (and Mesoamerica). Fascinating to see they convergently conceived of systems for book-keeping and astronomy.
Another excellent video about my ancestors thank you. And I thought you were going to talk about the symbols on the Zimbabwe zodiac, I knew about that piece of art in the video it just didn't hit me until now those symbols and marks have a deeper meaning that's very interesting. The whole Bantus being recent to the region is long since debunked our ancestors were there by 200 AD known. Our ancestors were known today as people of the Gokomere culture, plus there is evidence Aksum had contact with them an ambassador called Cosmos from Alexandria mentions an expedition for trade in a land called Sasos to which the Aksumite traded with Sasos which had gold. Btw I recommend you look into the oral accounts too they do give an idea regarding many aspects of our history and culture. GZ is not that much of a mystery when looking into the stories passed down some of these symbols and their meaning can be understood like the Soapstone birds are the Shiriyadenga aka bird of heaven representing an ancestorial King.
Southern Africa is definitely an area of my expertise that is only recently starting to expand. I want to show it more love on this channel when I'm more confident in my knowledge. I appreciate all of the positivity and consistency in my comment section as always.
@@FromNothing Ye same here tbh most of the stuff I'm learning about my ancestors I had no clue its mind blowing like this trade with Aksum I had no clue about originally or that there were over 300 ruins in and around Zimbabwe. It's definitely an area that needs more study indeed by all of us indeed. And you're welcome bro always a pleasure. Keep up the good work.
@@admirekashiri6651 Yeah when I did that video about the stone ruins in southern Africa with the terraces and aqueducts I was amazed. A whole world expansive stone civilizations with advanced farming and irrigation techniques that we just never hear about. I'm excited to dive into that part of my research.
@@FromNothing can't wait to see what else you find. It's a shame they destroyed the archeaological finds they melted the gold jewelry and art, we could have seen more of these symbols on that stuff it makes our region difficult to study.
The Bantus had been in southern Africa for far longer than what the British and Dutch claimed, that's for sure, and the stone ruins all over the area testify to that, but it seems more complicated than that. The region, simply due to its distance to the homeland, was the last place the Bantu settled, and especially in modern day South Africa they extensively interacted with the Khoisan peoples that lived there before the Bantus, even among some Bantu peoples like the Xhosa we can see features that show they have Khoisan ancestry, and iirc in at least one stone city ruins dna analysis of the remains of the people believed to be the city's rulers showed them to be closer to the Khoikhoi than the Bantu, so it seems like the more "mainstream" idea of a recent Bantu migration quickly displacing the native Khoisan is not true, and the process was a much longer and complex.
It would be great if you made a video on the Gonja Kingdom in Ghana. They have a lot of rich history and some of it was recorded by Arab scholars in the Kitab Ghunja and modern day historians. They also actually had a writing system using Arabic scripts
@@ColleenJousma right but without writing there is no history and therefore difficult to know very much. We would not know much about Akkad or Sumer if Assyria did not preserve their history as well as their own.
@@MrTonyJ Difficult, but not impossible. The Mississippi river was a cradle of civilization which's society didn't develop writing, but we know much about their ancient history.
@@MrTonyJZimbabwe seemed like it was on its way , usualy a people to come from being a permanent farming culture to a civilisation takes a period of 2000 to 3000 years check the Mediterranean and middle eastern civilisation they started farming around 6000 BC but only simultaneously had civilisations around early 3000BC . It would have been cool to see what a southern hemisphere capricon civilisation would have looked like at its peak I'm sure it would have been extremely unique . Just think how equator civilisations look similar its not a coincidence the way human beings adapt to their environment enfluences their religion hence this also affects architecture temples where the first buildings with a roof made because they where seen as valuable and had to be constructed with durable material so that generations would benefit. Civilisation found in the northern hemisphere the belt of cancer look similar its not a coincidence.
It's wild how many writing systems are either undeciphered or not even understood to be writing yet. There are other symbols where it's completely unknown in the Indus River Valley civilization and for the Vinča culture in the Balkans about 2000 years older than the earliest form of the Sumerian script.
This might sound weird but I remember seeing that monolith somewhere before, probably in a PDF but I don't recall anything about it. It's possible that I may have skipped over it because I was likely trying to find info about a specific artifact and didn't want to distract myself with other things. Anyway, good find Jabari.
In gobekli tepe there is a stone called, the vulture stone. The symbols on that stone are not arranged exactly like this bird stone from Zimbabwe but there seems to be similar motifs. The vulture stone also features a pattern of triangles, a circle that could be a cosmic body and a bird that is perched in the same position as these birds from Zimbabwe.
I remember you talking about a ton of stone dwellings discovered all throughout southern africa and the kalahari that had yet to be excavated, and I gotta say if I ever visit a place, it's gotta be there first How can archaeologists ignore that?
They just don't get the funds many archeaolosts are interested in studying African sites they have done alot of work in Sudan and parts of Chad recently finding one of the old capital cities of Kanem called Njimi and last year the biggest cathedral so far of medieval Christian Nubia.
There's a really good informative video about these exact symbols 4:20 right here on UA-cam by a thorough archaeologist who has been working to decipher these symbols for decades. The name of the video is called: *"Palaces of Stone Uncovering Ancient Southern African Kingdoms. Presentation by Prof. Tom Huffman".* Professor Huffman has a book that just came out with that exact same title, definitely going to read it this summer. After watching his video, the professor is definitely an expert on this subject.
Seems to be an issue that people focus only on Zimbawe, when it was in fact rather one of a string of related states in the same area extending for a thousand years. This leading to Zimbawe being seen as anamoly when it was in fact "just another" Bantu civilization of the area.
@@FromNothing Also, one point I missed is the debate of writing and perishable materials. A lot of ancient writing including those of Rome and Greece only survived if they got copied quite regularily. Is there any such material that the people of Southern Africa could have used to write on that would be so perishable? This is not really unique to this region. In other regions such as the Oxus/BMAC civilization, the Vinca Culture and surely a lot of other places there have been found symbols that appear to be writing but nothing conclusive.
@@gamukanjoma2479true, we had territorial bordes before colonial borders. All people in Southern Africa should not be included in claiming Great Zim or Mapungubwe at all.
I'm aware of that, but breaking things down by region mashed the information easier to identify and learn. It's like saying "Medieval Europe had knights" even though that's not true for all of Europe.
Thanks. I didn't know about that. I'd just suggest that it's worth emphasising that Mapungubwe is a separate, and quite distant, site from Great Zimbabwe. The video kind of makes it sound like the dumping of top strata there happened at the Great Zimbabwe excavation.
They did destroy artifacts in GZ too though. And the two regions culturally are linked in our oral tradition an early king called Tovera was one of the rulers as Mapungubwe plus the name Mapungubwe refers to him it means "Rock of the Great Bateleur Eagle”, not sure of that's what the ancestors called that place. But ye the King's full name was Tovera Shiriyadenga Nemapungubwe.
@@admirekashiri6651 Sure. Yes. They're closely related cultures and other problems occurred on the GZ excavations. It's still worth keeping the two clear in people's heads IMO.
@@ikengaspirit3063 True but when it comes to state funded history projects, being more concerned with "the truth" rather than what makes the government/king look good is something that is a pretty new concept.
@@FromNothing I think people that would rather go for truth than "the truth" have always existed, at most its that the idea for truth above all being popular is new. In that case it would be a progressive culture not progressive individuals.
@@ikengaspirit3063 I see what you're saying but I still don't think my use of the word "progressive" was invalid. Compared to most archaeologists of the time, these people were relatively progressive in their approach. They didn't care about the money or the government, just the truth which was uncommon in that field of work during that time in history.
On a more philosophic side, we often hear of Greco-Roman philosophers or those from the Islamic golden age or the scholastic in Europe. But were there African philosophers during this time to? If so, what did they leave behind if anything?
Well this one is interesting. Honestly would love to see this compared to the cruciform from Saba to see if this is indeed a native script from Africa. I mean it's not like Saba didn't rule over them or that great Zimbabwe became independent becomeing a far stronger empire. There is probably a huge amount that can be discovered if we reference Zimbabwe to Saba as a day to decipher their history and truly know what history they have.
@@consulargeneral8136 🤨 Saba was an empire from Yemen during the bronzeage that colonized Africa. Zimbabwe was either a vassal state or was a direct colony created and settled by Saba. I have not idea where you got a correlation between this and the modern state of Tanzania.
@@tylerrobbins8311 hotep afroscentist here we go again and please explain further how a vassal state only had drystone walled settlements and huts versus eurasian middle eastern architecture. Afroscentrist and euroscentist are the same people.
@@consulargeneral8136 First off afrocentrist and eurocentrist are not then same. Secondly I don't see why it's hard to accept that a kingdom on the coast of the Arabian peninsula colonized in Africa. There was a trade network all across them indian ocean connecting India, the Arabian peninsula, and Africa. Third, geography has far more to do with architecture than race does, people adapt to the geography.
@@tylerrobbins8311 we where never colonised by afroeurasian culture get over yourself only Britain even the portugese couldn't colonise us if you where colonised by arabian muslims thats you not me. Eurosentrist and afrocentrist are the same people just delulu and desperate.
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Hey just out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the Lord of the Rings Ring of Power show? From what I understand the Show features Black actors in it, people are confused by this because Tolkien’s books were based on a Mythology from regions that never reared any Black Men or Women. (I underplayed the outrage intentionally) I would love to hear your thoughts on this whole situation. Should Black Actors be involved in projects based on Mythologies from Europe? Or should we instead craft a High Fantastic world of African influences and mythology?
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Credo Mutwa's claims about GZ are nonsense though Eurocentrics use his claims to try and prove GZ was built by white people what he says about the Ma-iti building GZ is nothing to do with our (Shona/Karanga, Kalanga, Venda Sena) history. Take what he says with a grain of salt.
Ireland and Britain bronze ages fort just like in Zimbabwe, but nobody care, but in sub-Sahara the only they can proud its bronze ages European look-like wall.
Maybe because Britain isn’t constantly discredited and always said to have “no stone structures”…… The Walls of Zimbabwe aren’t that impressive compared to many other Buildings in Africa however due to many of those buildings (Like Ashanti Architecture) is made from Adobe they are looked at as less then
@@deshawnmoore1731 Zimbabwe wall look like stone ages and bronze ages Europe fort and wall, like Dun Aonghasa, they're many thousand example of primitive wall structure in Europe and Asia, Mesoamerica do more better and precise wall and cutting stone technic than Zimbabwean/Shona, unlike medieval ages wall more precise and well made with decoration, crenellation, guard tower etc. in Europe Ashanti architecture and King palace of Ashanti/Akan, Dahomey, Benin/Edo, Yoruba and Banum are just regular pleasant house, and bigger is community hall, barn and storehouse. while the European and Asian royal build castle, palace complex, complete with wall, fort, guard tower, church/temple/mosque, garden, fountain, orchard and moat. Ashanti/Ghana, Dahomey, Benin/Nigeria, Yoruba and Banum/Cameroon are far the most advance independent culture of sub-saharan compare to Zulu, Maasai, Dinka, Kongo, Central Africa Republic, South Sudan, Botswana, Namibia, Malawi, Rwanda, Uganda, South Africa, Angola, Mozambique most of them are hunter-gather, and more than that is semi-nomadic pastoral like Maasai and Dinka, they do not have stone-brick structure, temple, sophisticated traditional/native religion, do not have city, but settlement and small cone shape hut village . No civilization. that fact. just like Polynesia and Melanesia we cannot says Polynesian are same advance and sophisticated like Indonesian and Malaysia, they both are Austronesian people, Indonesian have many monument, grand architecture, iron tech, horse, wheel and made early gunpower weapon[learn from China] while a Polynesian are not, but Polynesian more advance than Papuan and Australian aboriginal, Polynesian just like Indonesia knew and can build medium big ship, and Indonesian can build big ship[example Borobudur ship], Polynesian do not have writing script, numeral and school while Indonesian in ancient[100-400ad] and medieval time have it, so that is comparison Sub-Saharan Africa and North Africa, North Africa far more advance, their military, weapon, body armor, architecture, infrastructure, science and technology far more than in Akan/Ashanti/Ghana, and Nigeria.
@@cavaugnsharkey2699 if i made generalizations, Compare Morocco heritage site, old castle, citadel, fortress, city wall, old medieval town, old medieval city, architecture, ornamentation, stonework, tileswork, ironwork, and any metalwork, ship building, writing script, art, and mosque/temple. compare to sub-sahara non-semitic, both pure semitic and mixed semitic(eritrea and ethophian) to Black sub-saharan bantu, niger-congo and khoisan. give me 1 architecture master pieces or grand sophisicated monument build in Senegal(very close to Moorish/Arab-Berbers Mauritania and Morocco), Guinea, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, Liberia, Gabon, Cameroon, Angola, Congo, Zambia, Uganda, Rwanda, Malawi, Burundi, South Sudan, Central Africa Republic, Namibia, South Africa, Lesotho, Kenya, Tanzania, without Christian European Portuguese, French, Spanish, German, British and Dutch and Arab-Persian/Shirazi(Omani, Yemeni, Saudi, Gulf Arab and Persian Shirazi) they build Fort, Settlement, mosque, church in the coast and island. like Comoros, Zanzibar, Pemba, Peta, Dar es Salam(Arabic name city), Kilwa and Mombasa with Arab fort, arab mosque, bring islam, arabic influences food, architecture, wood carving, door and windows style, clothing, turban, dagger(jambiya) and European fort, castle and settlement in coastal of Angola, Mozambique, Senegal, Congo, Ghana which are not exist before arab and european come. give me 1 good stucture, building or momument build by black africa native in non-coastal kenya, tanzania and mozambique. Arab fort and city wall in zanzibar build by oman included the palace, 1964, 100-150k Arab muslim, persian muslim and Zoroastrians(Freddie mercury), Indian-Pakistani(muslim and hindu), and afro-arab(mixed arab and bantu native like tipu tip for example), and Arabized black(like sudanese, chadian, somalian, eritrea, black speaking arabic) be kick out and genocide because of jealously. today light skin/brown and ligth brown arab just remain fews, included persian and india, and with afro-arab, with majority swahili muslim(heavy influences omai arabic, 35% of swahili langaguage is arabic origin, just like english, 60% is romance, latin-spanish-french influences,core still germanic)
Can u do a video about ancient african art (specificly drawings and paintings depicting people(not prehistoric) ) I can only find Egyptian and Ethiopian yet not any other if u could find anything plz share it and put it in a video (hopefully it will focus on west south and central Africa)
Indeed. He was so fixated on finding proof of Mapungubwe's white founders that he just shoveled off all of the African history that was staring him right in the face, assuming that it had only been brought there later by migrants.
He was a fool, like the damage he did makes it impossible to know just how much Zimbabwe impacted ancient Saba. I have a hypothesis that it was more so Zimbabwe that influenced Saba as the royalty moved their seat of power into Zimbabwe which leads me to suspect they were more important. Time will tell hopeful we get decent archeological finds an study there.
Every time I hear of the destruction of cultural artifacts or records, I feel the urge to scream. Not just because we sever a link to the past, but because once that link is severed, it can never be repaired. Thank God something survived because I cannot imagine a worse fate than living within the land of your ancestors, witnessing their glory and culture, and never knowing that you did so.
Exactly I cringe when black Christians or Muslims say that they would want to smash artifacts from pagan eras if they har the power. I'm here like, why would you want to be ignorant of your past?
Rhodesia is the worst thing to happen to Zimbabwe.
Indeed they destroyed our stuff. But thank God our elders never forgot the history.
Sad part is that there’s people out there who actually romanticize that time and former country. Not surprised considering the typical group of people who romanticize Rhodesia
hearing about lost knowledge makes me feel disappointed but intrigued. Hearing about ruined artefacts that indicate there could be more underground makes me hopeful for future discoveries. Hearing about stolen artefacts from tombs to be sold makes me angry but at least those could survive in some rich dude's mansion even though we don't know where it is. Hearing about ruined artefacts by accident makes me feel sad, BUT hearing about deliberately destroyed artefacts without any analysis is just outrageous. Many things can happen to ancient stuff, from stupid tourists to authoritary regimes, but this is worse than all of the other scenarios...
It truly is a tragedy and only serves as a reinforcing factor in the generally negative views and ignorance on African history.
Pathetic how they had to lie how Black Bantus weren’t natives and didn’t build any structures. Insecure they must’ve been.
Very.
I'm sad and angry that people discredited and actively worked to erase this history. You do good work, Jabari. Thank you.
I've said it before in my South Africa and it's nice to see it being confirmed more and more: The stoney cities of Zimbabwe mirror the early civilizations of Mesopotamia (and Mesoamerica). Fascinating to see they convergently conceived of systems for book-keeping and astronomy.
Every farming culture had a way with keeping up with astronomy because it was important for their farming cycles.
Another excellent video about my ancestors thank you. And I thought you were going to talk about the symbols on the Zimbabwe zodiac, I knew about that piece of art in the video it just didn't hit me until now those symbols and marks have a deeper meaning that's very interesting. The whole Bantus being recent to the region is long since debunked our ancestors were there by 200 AD known. Our ancestors were known today as people of the Gokomere culture, plus there is evidence Aksum had contact with them an ambassador called Cosmos from Alexandria mentions an expedition for trade in a land called Sasos to which the Aksumite traded with Sasos which had gold.
Btw I recommend you look into the oral accounts too they do give an idea regarding many aspects of our history and culture. GZ is not that much of a mystery when looking into the stories passed down some of these symbols and their meaning can be understood like the Soapstone birds are the Shiriyadenga aka bird of heaven representing an ancestorial King.
Southern Africa is definitely an area of my expertise that is only recently starting to expand. I want to show it more love on this channel when I'm more confident in my knowledge. I appreciate all of the positivity and consistency in my comment section as always.
@@FromNothing Ye same here tbh most of the stuff I'm learning about my ancestors I had no clue its mind blowing like this trade with Aksum I had no clue about originally or that there were over 300 ruins in and around Zimbabwe. It's definitely an area that needs more study indeed by all of us indeed.
And you're welcome bro always a pleasure. Keep up the good work.
@@admirekashiri6651 Yeah when I did that video about the stone ruins in southern Africa with the terraces and aqueducts I was amazed. A whole world expansive stone civilizations with advanced farming and irrigation techniques that we just never hear about. I'm excited to dive into that part of my research.
@@FromNothing can't wait to see what else you find. It's a shame they destroyed the archeaological finds they melted the gold jewelry and art, we could have seen more of these symbols on that stuff it makes our region difficult to study.
The Bantus had been in southern Africa for far longer than what the British and Dutch claimed, that's for sure, and the stone ruins all over the area testify to that, but it seems more complicated than that. The region, simply due to its distance to the homeland, was the last place the Bantu settled, and especially in modern day South Africa they extensively interacted with the Khoisan peoples that lived there before the Bantus, even among some Bantu peoples like the Xhosa we can see features that show they have Khoisan ancestry, and iirc in at least one stone city ruins dna analysis of the remains of the people believed to be the city's rulers showed them to be closer to the Khoikhoi than the Bantu, so it seems like the more "mainstream" idea of a recent Bantu migration quickly displacing the native Khoisan is not true, and the process was a much longer and complex.
Mind blown‼️what else is there to add.
When it comes the continent there is always something mind blowing waiting to be discovered. I'm blown away almost daily now 😂.
To think that people would destroy archeology to have to prove their racist ideology…like at that point just admit you’re wrong lol
It would be great if you made a video on the Gonja Kingdom in Ghana. They have a lot of rich history and some of it was recorded by Arab scholars in the Kitab Ghunja and modern day historians. They also actually had a writing system using Arabic scripts
Thanks for this knowledge. It's amazing to me what our people have done, and how scared people like that man were.
It would be amazing to find out that there was another cradle of civilization.
There were other centers of civilization. Even if there was no writing. (not negating what you said. Just adding to it is all. :) )
@@ColleenJousma right but without writing there is no history and therefore difficult to know very much. We would not know much about Akkad or Sumer if Assyria did not preserve their history as well as their own.
@@MrTonyJ Difficult, but not impossible. The Mississippi river was a cradle of civilization which's society didn't develop writing, but we know much about their ancient history.
@@MrTonyJZimbabwe seemed like it was on its way , usualy a people to come from being a permanent farming culture to a civilisation takes a period of 2000 to 3000 years check the Mediterranean and middle eastern civilisation they started farming around 6000 BC but only simultaneously had civilisations around early 3000BC . It would have been cool to see what a southern hemisphere capricon civilisation would have looked like at its peak I'm sure it would have been extremely unique . Just think how equator civilisations look similar its not a coincidence the way human beings adapt to their environment enfluences their religion hence this also affects architecture temples where the first buildings with a roof made because they where seen as valuable and had to be constructed with durable material so that generations would benefit. Civilisation found in the northern hemisphere the belt of cancer look similar its not a coincidence.
It's wild how many writing systems are either undeciphered or not even understood to be writing yet. There are other symbols where it's completely unknown in the Indus River Valley civilization and for the Vinča culture in the Balkans about 2000 years older than the earliest form of the Sumerian script.
Haven't watched yet, but it's going to be about Great Zimbabwe, isn't it?
EDIT: Called it.
Outsiders should not be the only ones telling are history,I wish the Africans would of taken more pride in unearthing the history of are ancestors.
This might sound weird but I remember seeing that monolith somewhere before, probably in a PDF but I don't recall anything about it. It's possible that I may have skipped over it because I was likely trying to find info about a specific artifact and didn't want to distract myself with other things. Anyway, good find Jabari.
In gobekli tepe there is a stone called, the vulture stone. The symbols on that stone are not arranged exactly like this bird stone from Zimbabwe but there seems to be similar motifs. The vulture stone also features a pattern of triangles, a circle that could be a cosmic body and a bird that is perched in the same position as these birds from Zimbabwe.
Good video by the way brotha!.
I remember you talking about a ton of stone dwellings discovered all throughout southern africa and the kalahari that had yet to be excavated, and I gotta say if I ever visit a place, it's gotta be there first
How can archaeologists ignore that?
I don’t think they deliberately do that, more often than not, it’s due to lack of funding for those projects…
They just don't get the funds many archeaolosts are interested in studying African sites they have done alot of work in Sudan and parts of Chad recently finding one of the old capital cities of Kanem called Njimi and last year the biggest cathedral so far of medieval Christian Nubia.
@@biorobot2 I was referring to why the funding never goes to projects such as those
That is what amazes me
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Thank you for this!! I appreciate you so much.
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There's a really good informative video about these exact symbols 4:20 right here on UA-cam by a thorough archaeologist who has been working to decipher these symbols for decades. The name of the video is called: *"Palaces of Stone Uncovering Ancient Southern African Kingdoms. Presentation by Prof. Tom Huffman".* Professor Huffman has a book that just came out with that exact same title, definitely going to read it this summer. After watching his video, the professor is definitely an expert on this subject.
Thanks for this! I'll have to pick this up!
@@FromNothing No problem bro, keep up the good work.
Seems to be an issue that people focus only on Zimbawe, when it was in fact rather one of a string of related states in the same area extending for a thousand years. This leading to Zimbawe being seen as anamoly when it was in fact "just another" Bantu civilization of the area.
@@steinarvilnes3954 Yeah I mentioned that fact in the exclusive documentary that I talked about at the beginning.
@@FromNothing Also, one point I missed is the debate of writing and perishable materials. A lot of ancient writing including those of Rome and Greece only survived if they got copied quite regularily. Is there any such material that the people of Southern Africa could have used to write on that would be so perishable?
This is not really unique to this region. In other regions such as the Oxus/BMAC civilization, the Vinca Culture and surely a lot of other places there have been found symbols that appear to be writing but nothing conclusive.
Love it. Great work as always. Thank you.
It would be better to say “Southern African”
Done
@@FromNothing you’ve got a brilliant channel, I appreciate your professionalism
its better to say zimbabwe cz its shona civilisations not southern africa and dont forget we have borders
@@gamukanjoma2479true, we had territorial bordes before colonial borders. All people in Southern Africa should not be included in claiming Great Zim or Mapungubwe at all.
I'm aware of that, but breaking things down by region mashed the information easier to identify and learn. It's like saying "Medieval Europe had knights" even though that's not true for all of Europe.
Thanks. I didn't know about that. I'd just suggest that it's worth emphasising that Mapungubwe is a separate, and quite distant, site from Great Zimbabwe. The video kind of makes it sound like the dumping of top strata there happened at the Great Zimbabwe excavation.
They did destroy artifacts in GZ too though. And the two regions culturally are linked in our oral tradition an early king called Tovera was one of the rulers as Mapungubwe plus the name Mapungubwe refers to him it means "Rock of the Great Bateleur Eagle”, not sure of that's what the ancestors called that place. But ye the King's full name was Tovera Shiriyadenga Nemapungubwe.
@@admirekashiri6651 Sure. Yes. They're closely related cultures and other problems occurred on the GZ excavations. It's still worth keeping the two clear in people's heads IMO.
@@thecaveofthedead oh I get what you're saying so people don't confuse the proximity.
@@admirekashiri6651 is the a souyth African language where the word bwe makes sense ? It does a lot in Shona
Fine to see verbs, nouns, pronouns, adjectives, syllables, and sentences on the rising yeah
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Great video as always. Does that stone piece with the calendar still exist or was it destroyed/Lost?
Still exists I'm not sure where it is though. Could be in private collections like the Zimbabwe zodiac.
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Why's that?
7:27 I won't call them progressive but more professional and concerned about knowing the actual truth.
Is that not progressive for that time in history?
@@FromNothing I think being more concerned for truth is something that has always existed and shouldn't be tied to a certain ideology
@@ikengaspirit3063 True but when it comes to state funded history projects, being more concerned with "the truth" rather than what makes the government/king look good is something that is a pretty new concept.
@@FromNothing I think people that would rather go for truth than "the truth" have always existed, at most its that the idea for truth above all being popular is new. In that case it would be a progressive culture not progressive individuals.
@@ikengaspirit3063 I see what you're saying but I still don't think my use of the word "progressive" was invalid. Compared to most archaeologists of the time, these people were relatively progressive in their approach. They didn't care about the money or the government, just the truth which was uncommon in that field of work during that time in history.
As a Zezuru I’ve never heard about this
That's normal, where did museums get started 😂😂😂😂😂
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Can you make Africa style Warrior in Elden ring ? Just wondering
On a more philosophic side, we often hear of Greco-Roman philosophers or those from the Islamic golden age or the scholastic in Europe. But were there African philosophers during this time to? If so, what did they leave behind if anything?
Our best bet is probably the Malians, but a lot of the texts have been burnt/left untranslated.
Lol
Well this one is interesting. Honestly would love to see this compared to the cruciform from Saba to see if this is indeed a native script from Africa.
I mean it's not like Saba didn't rule over them or that great Zimbabwe became independent becomeing a far stronger empire. There is probably a huge amount that can be discovered if we reference Zimbabwe to Saba as a day to decipher their history and truly know what history they have.
We have nothing to do with any horn african ethopie anything we are from tanzania not ethopia get your facts straight
@@consulargeneral8136 🤨 Saba was an empire from Yemen during the bronzeage that colonized Africa. Zimbabwe was either a vassal state or was a direct colony created and settled by Saba.
I have not idea where you got a correlation between this and the modern state of Tanzania.
@@tylerrobbins8311 hotep afroscentist here we go again and please explain further how a vassal state only had drystone walled settlements and huts versus eurasian middle eastern architecture. Afroscentrist and euroscentist are the same people.
@@consulargeneral8136 First off afrocentrist and eurocentrist are not then same. Secondly I don't see why it's hard to accept that a kingdom on the coast of the Arabian peninsula colonized in Africa. There was a trade network all across them indian ocean connecting India, the Arabian peninsula, and Africa. Third, geography has far more to do with architecture than race does, people adapt to the geography.
@@tylerrobbins8311 we where never colonised by afroeurasian culture get over yourself only Britain even the portugese couldn't colonise us if you where colonised by arabian muslims thats you not me. Eurosentrist and afrocentrist are the same people just delulu and desperate.
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Hey just out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the Lord of the Rings
Ring of Power show?
From what I understand the Show features Black actors in it, people are confused by this because Tolkien’s books were based on a Mythology from regions that never reared any Black Men or Women.
(I underplayed the outrage intentionally)
I would love to hear your thoughts on this whole situation.
Should Black Actors be involved in projects based on Mythologies from Europe?
Or should we instead craft a High Fantastic world of African influences and mythology?
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Hey FN have you looked at Credo Mutwa's book Indaba my children? I believe the symbols he wrote down in the book can give some clues
I have not seen that. Thanks for the tip!
Credo Mutwa's claims about GZ are nonsense though Eurocentrics use his claims to try and prove GZ was built by white people what he says about the Ma-iti building GZ is nothing to do with our (Shona/Karanga, Kalanga, Venda Sena) history. Take what he says with a grain of salt.
Ireland and Britain bronze ages fort just like in Zimbabwe, but nobody care, but in sub-Sahara the only they can proud its bronze ages European look-like wall.
What?
Maybe because Britain isn’t constantly discredited and always said to have “no stone structures”……
The Walls of Zimbabwe aren’t that impressive compared to many other Buildings in Africa however due to many of those buildings (Like Ashanti Architecture) is made from Adobe they are looked at as less then
@@deshawnmoore1731 Zimbabwe wall look like stone ages and bronze ages Europe fort and wall, like Dun Aonghasa, they're many thousand example of primitive wall structure in Europe and Asia, Mesoamerica do more better and precise wall and cutting stone technic than Zimbabwean/Shona, unlike medieval ages wall more precise and well made with decoration, crenellation, guard tower etc. in Europe Ashanti architecture and King palace of Ashanti/Akan, Dahomey, Benin/Edo, Yoruba and Banum are just regular pleasant house, and bigger is community hall, barn and storehouse. while the European and Asian royal build castle, palace complex, complete with wall, fort, guard tower, church/temple/mosque, garden, fountain, orchard and moat. Ashanti/Ghana, Dahomey, Benin/Nigeria, Yoruba and Banum/Cameroon are far the most advance independent culture of sub-saharan compare to Zulu, Maasai, Dinka, Kongo, Central Africa Republic, South Sudan, Botswana, Namibia, Malawi, Rwanda, Uganda, South Africa, Angola, Mozambique most of them are hunter-gather, and more than that is semi-nomadic pastoral like Maasai and Dinka, they do not have stone-brick structure, temple, sophisticated traditional/native religion, do not have city, but settlement and small cone shape hut village . No civilization. that fact. just like Polynesia and Melanesia we cannot says Polynesian are same advance and sophisticated like Indonesian and Malaysia, they both are Austronesian people, Indonesian have many monument, grand architecture, iron tech, horse, wheel and made early gunpower weapon[learn from China] while a Polynesian are not, but Polynesian more advance than Papuan and Australian aboriginal, Polynesian just like Indonesia knew and can build medium big ship, and Indonesian can build big ship[example Borobudur ship], Polynesian do not have writing script, numeral and school while Indonesian in ancient[100-400ad] and medieval time have it, so that is comparison Sub-Saharan Africa and North Africa, North Africa far more advance, their military, weapon, body armor, architecture, infrastructure, science and technology far more than in Akan/Ashanti/Ghana, and Nigeria.
@@safuwanfauzi5014 They were also colonized by Arabs, so...but overall you've made too many generalizations to be factually correct.
@@cavaugnsharkey2699 if i made generalizations, Compare Morocco heritage site, old castle, citadel, fortress, city wall, old medieval town, old medieval city, architecture, ornamentation, stonework, tileswork, ironwork, and any metalwork, ship building, writing script, art, and mosque/temple. compare to sub-sahara non-semitic, both pure semitic and mixed semitic(eritrea and ethophian) to Black sub-saharan bantu, niger-congo and khoisan. give me 1 architecture master pieces or grand sophisicated monument build in Senegal(very close to Moorish/Arab-Berbers Mauritania and Morocco), Guinea, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, Liberia, Gabon, Cameroon, Angola, Congo, Zambia, Uganda, Rwanda, Malawi, Burundi, South Sudan, Central Africa Republic, Namibia, South Africa, Lesotho, Kenya, Tanzania, without Christian European Portuguese, French, Spanish, German, British and Dutch and Arab-Persian/Shirazi(Omani, Yemeni, Saudi, Gulf Arab and Persian Shirazi) they build Fort, Settlement, mosque, church in the coast and island. like Comoros, Zanzibar, Pemba, Peta, Dar es Salam(Arabic name city), Kilwa and Mombasa with Arab fort, arab mosque, bring islam, arabic influences food, architecture, wood carving, door and windows style, clothing, turban, dagger(jambiya) and European fort, castle and settlement in coastal of Angola, Mozambique, Senegal, Congo, Ghana which are not exist before arab and european come. give me 1 good stucture, building or momument build by black africa native in non-coastal kenya, tanzania and mozambique. Arab fort and city wall in zanzibar build by oman included the palace, 1964, 100-150k Arab muslim, persian muslim and Zoroastrians(Freddie mercury), Indian-Pakistani(muslim and hindu), and afro-arab(mixed arab and bantu native like tipu tip for example), and Arabized black(like sudanese, chadian, somalian, eritrea, black speaking arabic) be kick out and genocide because of jealously. today light skin/brown and ligth brown arab just remain fews, included persian and india, and with afro-arab, with majority swahili muslim(heavy influences omai arabic, 35% of swahili langaguage is arabic origin, just like english, 60% is romance, latin-spanish-french influences,core still germanic)
Can u do a video about ancient african art (specificly drawings and paintings depicting people(not prehistoric) ) I can only find Egyptian and Ethiopian yet not any other if u could find anything plz share it and put it in a video (hopefully it will focus on west south and central Africa)
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@@FromNothing oh didn't know sry
@@markusmejia86 Nothing to apologize about. I was just informing you :)
@@FromNothing tyyyyyyy
Guy Gardner was a horrible "archeologist".
Indeed. He was so fixated on finding proof of Mapungubwe's white founders that he just shoveled off all of the African history that was staring him right in the face, assuming that it had only been brought there later by migrants.
He was a fool, like the damage he did makes it impossible to know just how much Zimbabwe impacted ancient Saba. I have a hypothesis that it was more so Zimbabwe that influenced Saba as the royalty moved their seat of power into Zimbabwe which leads me to suspect they were more important.
Time will tell hopeful we get decent archeological finds an study there.
I decided to search up who Guy Gardner was and found absolutely nothing on him , do you have any sources to back up your claim ?
@@JcoleMc I believe he wrote "The Shallow Bowls of Mapungubwe".
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