@@peterpeterson4800 And? The tiles are all used by buildings to get in there. So the knight had to walk over a tile which already has a building on it, thats what this is about
@@sinistressdreams7243 That's not how AOE2 works. Building act as walls, units can't walk through them. It just looks like the knight is walking through the building because of the hill. Hills always fuck up things like that in this game, just like tall trees do, that's why everyone used to play with tiny trees mod and they included tiny trees in the definitive edition.
@@peterpeterson4800 I wanted to disprove you but after VERY careful watching and grid counting I finally understood just how missplaced the building can look when only a part of it is on lowground/highground. Holy Moly. Yes you are right but wtf
Every time I get Teutons I get crushed so bad, especially by fast imp Arb, then I watch Viper who just 5 TC booms, opponent does 0, rolls over and dies and I still don't know how to play the civ
Hard to overstate the impact of Viper's Feudal pressure... definitely makes the opponent react and it's not just a 5 TC boom which would give space for a fast imp.
The ETK being so strong in melee makes sense historically. They are designed to win a battle even when being largely outnumbered. And the Germans were usually outnumbered by their enemies in history.
19:00 Obuch can't remove armor fast enough to be cost effective againt Teutonic Knights. They have too much of it :D On the other hand, instead of Knights, CavArchers would do very well against them, by themselves, or paired with the Obuch. (Since they have much less pierce armor, removing that is more viable.)
Obuchs are actually a hard counter against Teutonic knights, if they're outnumbering the Teutonic knights. now I know what you're thinking: "so, every unit is a hard counter, right?" no, because the Obuch's ability actually leads to fights where 3v1, the Obuch don't lose a single man, being extremely cost-effective, whereas 1v1, they lose horribly. another way to use the Obuch would be, to pair them up with arbs or even Hussars vs the Tutonic knights. seems counter-intuitive, because the Hussars lose 100%, but they're not supposed to win, tbh. The Obuchs just need the chance to win.
@@TheDunestyler That makes sense, I think. Obuch are snowball units, because every hit they get in does increasingly more effective damage, so the fights where they start doing well, they get exponentially better.
@@sufyan666 Champions would be cost-effective against them, nevermind the production bottleneck of TKs. Easy counter once you have Wootz Steel. Urumis would trash them.
There was another youtuber, I think it was ZeroEmpires, they uploaded a replay of someone baiting an opponent into specifically being annihilated by Teutonic Knights. I think you might like that replay as it seems like the ideal way to play high level Teutons.
@@Gigas0101 it was Resonance22, a Break the Meta episode where DauT spammed knights in castle age, the opponent massed pikes in response and then DauT transitioned to teutonic knights and also heavy scorpions
If there is one more way the devs could make Teutonic Knights menacing, it would either be making them move faster or engage in combat much faster. Don't know if there is a tech for that but it would be awesome. Or giving them a tech that convert all their units into crusader version ( since they are the primordial force for western crusaders ).
if you make them fast, it makes them less cool. if a teutonic knight ever breaks a sweat, its a sin against god. there's no way to really buff them to make them useful tho without transforming them lol like, even if you gave them 50 atk and 50 melee armor, a few cav archers would still decimate them. maybe make it so they do bonus damage against monasteries and can hold relics... then they would at least have a purpose while keeping their theme
Re: Obuch vs ETK: Obuch wins over long term, due to cost efficiency and the fact that the ETKs get worn down, but ETKs have SO MUCH armor and attack that they will still win the fights, and they're so goddamn strong that they can very much survive long enough for monks to heal them and restore their armor, and they're actually worth saving as super high value units. So the short of it is that ETK can just overwhelm from the word go.
Did the video cut or are there maps on which you start with buildings now? Edit: The map was unscouted, so apparently you can start in feudal with a town now. Cool.
There are some civilizations right now with like above 60% win rates on specific maps which is a lot, but teutons are not among top 5. He was just joking.
@@thagikaagrajith it is not like there are no archers on multiple civ. Plus whether or not they will continue as a foot unit that could be removed. So it would be like a very heavy paladin?
How did Viper’s wrist injury/issue turn out? He was able to get away without surgery yeah? In any case, he’s now using the wrist to lead the young ones [Grubby] into battle :-) lol
The knight that just walks through the stable at 9:20 HAHAHA
It's on a hill.
WTF 😂😂
@@peterpeterson4800 And? The tiles are all used by buildings to get in there. So the knight had to walk over a tile which already has a building on it, thats what this is about
@@sinistressdreams7243 That's not how AOE2 works. Building act as walls, units can't walk through them. It just looks like the knight is walking through the building because of the hill. Hills always fuck up things like that in this game, just like tall trees do, that's why everyone used to play with tiny trees mod and they included tiny trees in the definitive edition.
@@peterpeterson4800 I wanted to disprove you but after VERY careful watching and grid counting I finally understood just how missplaced the building can look when only a part of it is on lowground/highground. Holy Moly. Yes you are right but wtf
Every time I get Teutons I get crushed so bad, especially by fast imp Arb, then I watch Viper who just 5 TC booms, opponent does 0, rolls over and dies and I still don't know how to play the civ
Do damage in castle age and know the enemy civ.
Accm misplayed here, if he went full CA he would have won so easily
Hard to overstate the impact of Viper's Feudal pressure... definitely makes the opponent react and it's not just a 5 TC boom which would give space for a fast imp.
The ETK being so strong in melee makes sense historically. They are designed to win a battle even when being largely outnumbered. And the Germans were usually outnumbered by their enemies in history.
That guy deserved to lose when he didn't go for the perfectly placed farms with Poles, that is a sin that cannot be forgiven.
ageed.
Cardinal sin 😤
19:00 Obuch can't remove armor fast enough to be cost effective againt Teutonic Knights. They have too much of it :D
On the other hand, instead of Knights, CavArchers would do very well against them, by themselves, or paired with the Obuch. (Since they have much less pierce armor, removing that is more viable.)
While Obuch aren't great against TK, they win cost effectively I think. They're pretty cheap for unique units.
@@michaelmccarty1327 That's assuming Poles have enough castles to mass Obuch. Viper already have 2 or 3 castles producing TKs though
Obuchs are actually a hard counter against Teutonic knights, if they're outnumbering the Teutonic knights.
now I know what you're thinking: "so, every unit is a hard counter, right?"
no, because the Obuch's ability actually leads to fights where 3v1, the Obuch don't lose a single man, being extremely cost-effective, whereas 1v1, they lose horribly.
another way to use the Obuch would be, to pair them up with arbs or even Hussars vs the Tutonic knights.
seems counter-intuitive, because the Hussars lose 100%, but they're not supposed to win, tbh. The Obuchs just need the chance to win.
@@TheDunestyler That makes sense, I think. Obuch are snowball units, because every hit they get in does increasingly more effective damage, so the fights where they start doing well, they get exponentially better.
if u pair obuch + arbalest or even skirms tho they are cuz TK have low pierce armor that will be quickly removed
ETK: 12 melee armor, 19 attack, 100 HP.
Knights: 4 melee armor, 12 attack, 120 HP.
8 hits to kill knight vs 100 to kill ETK, completely absurd.
Can Dravidians Urumiswordsmen be used to fight against ETK if they research to ignore ETK armour??
@@sufyan666 they can, ETK gold cost is also 2x of Urumi Swordsmen, the splash dmg charge is just too good.
@@sufyan666 Champions would be cost-effective against them, nevermind the production bottleneck of TKs. Easy counter once you have Wootz Steel. Urumis would trash them.
They are slow af
archers still counter them all day.
Game winning or not, Capey Boys got swag.
I wish Teutons were played more in pro games, I understand why they aren't because may not be as versatile and mobile, but still.
There was another youtuber, I think it was ZeroEmpires, they uploaded a replay of someone baiting an opponent into specifically being annihilated by Teutonic Knights. I think you might like that replay as it seems like the ideal way to play high level Teutons.
@@Gigas0101 it was Resonance22, a Break the Meta episode where DauT spammed knights in castle age, the opponent massed pikes in response and then DauT transitioned to teutonic knights and also heavy scorpions
I recall that game. Good times
@@Tocaraca of course it is the lord, he also picked Bengalis and actually won. Nobody really expected much from that pick but he made Bengalis works
@@CrnaStrela Which game are you talking about?
If there is one more way the devs could make Teutonic Knights menacing, it would either be making them move faster or engage in combat much faster. Don't know if there is a tech for that but it would be awesome. Or giving them a tech that convert all their units into crusader version ( since they are the primordial force for western crusaders ).
if you make them fast, it makes them less cool. if a teutonic knight ever breaks a sweat, its a sin against god. there's no way to really buff them to make them useful tho without transforming them lol like, even if you gave them 50 atk and 50 melee armor, a few cav archers would still decimate them.
maybe make it so they do bonus damage against monasteries and can hold relics... then they would at least have a purpose while keeping their theme
One of the challenges in the current DE event is to make cape boys. Plenty of teutonic knights will be created shortly.
MANGUDAI
@@StraightEdgeNexus Camel riders too i suppose
Re: Obuch vs ETK: Obuch wins over long term, due to cost efficiency and the fact that the ETKs get worn down, but ETKs have SO MUCH armor and attack that they will still win the fights, and they're so goddamn strong that they can very much survive long enough for monks to heal them and restore their armor, and they're actually worth saving as super high value units.
So the short of it is that ETK can just overwhelm from the word go.
viper Teutons win rate is super high i hope we can see more Teutons in tournment :) cheers
I quite enjoyed the Reuton Teuton playstyle you got going on here.
Did the video cut or are there maps on which you start with buildings now?
Edit: The map was unscouted, so apparently you can start in feudal with a town now. Cool.
It’s certainly a move
ETK + Crenellations Castles
“17+4” 💀💀💀
Castle age knight 12+2 atk
FU ETK 10+3 melee armor
Even one of it can take down so many knights 💀💀
@@CrnaStrela I fell in love with ETK when I was 10 😂 #stancapeybois
7:09 He is playing through Warcraft 3 campaigns? Have there been any uploaded and if, where?
Check More TheViper channel, he uploaded them there
9:30 cow archers
Teutons VS Poles, epic showdown
I think Viper just like to say "Crenellations"
I don't know if Teutons are for sure the best civilization or if there even is such a thing, but Teutons are definitely strong in some ways.
There are some civilizations right now with like above 60% win rates on specific maps which is a lot, but teutons are not among top 5. He was just joking.
Teutons can unlock pretty good tech tree. But only do well in melee combat
I see Teutons, i click... =)
The best unit in the game!
Noobs match: ua-cam.com/video/Afj7oAmlrm0/v-deo.html
ETK is underated AF, first because it is a hard to counter to half of the units in the game and then also because it had sooooo many buffs since DE..
Do you really say Elite Teutonic Knight that much that you need a abbreviation for it ?
The problem is that the hardest counter to TK is one of the most common aggressive options in the game: archers.
@@Noobbi32 Would you rather type it all out or just write ETK, it's much faster.
Arbs just obliterate ETK, are cheaper, easier to mass. It takes a worse oponent, to make ETK effective.
@@michaelmccarty1327 this. Arbs and hand cannons obliterate them an they are way to slow so are easily micro'd.
mod for the red idle villager?
He sounds like a villain. ” I like what he is doing.Miserable 😈
What is the name of this map?
I see Teutonic Knights, I click^^
will this map ever be in rm?
we should get a mounted Teutonic knight!!!!
That would be so OP, like it would be 250 HP and 15 melee armor! Lol
That's literally boyar
@@paterson90 it would cost quite a bit to balance it so...
@@thagikaagrajith it is not like there are no archers on multiple civ. Plus whether or not they will continue as a foot unit that could be removed. So it would be like a very heavy paladin?
Basically a Persian War Elephant!
What map is this?
10 base melee armor, that's a thicc boy
Hey Viper, if teutons are so good why do you use them so rarely in tourneys?
If your enemy wastes his resources on ETK's vs you, you know that you are being messed with
Why is he resigning.
More team games!
If by game winning move, you mean clickbaiting me then ... well played sir.
HEIL BIBAK!
How did Viper’s wrist injury/issue turn out? He was able to get away without surgery yeah? In any case, he’s now using the wrist to lead the young ones [Grubby] into battle :-) lol
I wish more people taught in feudal I feel it is much more fun than the very common fast castle
Toootons are the best tons.
I see teutons... ...I watch!
You are fantastyc !!!! I see You in the woololo my favory champion !!!
spam thise capey knights they are great
*eventually
edit: I was wrong, the fear makes it instantly
I would rather have Elite tutonic kts than have 420 hp Elephants from Persia.
These kts are babayega.
What about 620 HP elephants from Persia?
It wasn't game winning but game prolonging. Cavalier would have ended this quicker. He got in much more raiding because of how slow the teut kts were.
Lebensraum = achieved
I will click on every ETK video you upload
A very slow move!
ok
Yes, yes, yes!
im rooting for danny boi in redbull. got to support the best American player. but once he is out i want Jordan or viper to win.
DEUS VULT
Love it