Navlog for your checkride - What you should know
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2021
- In this episode of the VSL Aviation podcast, I detail what you should know for the navigation tasks you will have to perform during your private pilot checkride. Most applicants I see don't fully understand that pilotage and dead reckoning have to be used during the checkride. I hate seeing the panicked look in the applicant's eyes when I inform them that the GPS cannot be used for the navigation portion of the flight. Don't let that be you!
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This video was amazing, I appreciate how in depth you presented the information.
This is a great gem of a video for check ride prepping student pilots. I am totally unimpressed with UA-cam's algorithm. This high quality of content with such low number of views is just not right.
Very kind words, thank you! I'm genuinely glad you found the content useful!
Seth,
You are awesome my brother. Check ride scheduled for Nov 10, 23 and watching your videos has helped me tremendously.
I have flown with USAF C130 pilots as an active duty C130 Crew Chief and can honestly say pilots of the FAT ALBERT are the best of the best Thank you Sir!
Best of luck! Thank you!
You should have the full screen of ForeFlight or whatever graphic it is that you’re showing. Screen real estate is valuable. If we can hear what you’re showing, that’s going to work out a lot better for these videos.
So helpful. Thanks again Seth. Just what I needed
Thank you! Wonderful video and timely. I was looking specifically to answer the question of how to use ForeFlight and have the appropriate knowledge for the checkride and how to back up the EFB appropriately. So, this was just what I needed. I couldn't find it elsewhere; so this is an excellent and needed resource for students!
Thank you so much for this presentation, I love your calm demeanor and breaking down the Nav log expectations!
Thank you for the feedback, I hope you found the video informative!
Exceptional video !!! Thank you SO much!!
You're very welcome!
Great video so many questions would like to ask
Fantastic presentation. Thank you very much for this useful information, it is highly appreciated!
Glad it was helpful!
This video is gold. Thank you thank you.
You're very welcome!
Fantastic video, thanks for taking the time to give us this great information. As a brand new CFI who has taken a little time off before beginning instructing, I’ve found your videos to be great refreshers! I’ve subscribed and hope many others begin to as well. Appreciate it very much!
Great to hear! Thank you for the feedback and I hope to release many more in the future.
SO SO SO HELPFUL… exceptional content. Thank you!!!
Thank you for the feedback! Your welcome!
Thank you for spending time and making these great contents. Genuinely appreciate you sir.
So nice of you
Unbelievably helpful!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
So glad!
Capt.thank you for sharing.
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I have 1600 dual given. I appreciate your insights
That's awesome! Keep up the hard work!
This showed that i really need to practice my nav planning as well as being able to fly to that plan with just basic resources (manual Method) in preparation for future checkride.
Glad it helped you out! The manual method of navigation is a dying art, challenge yourself and go out and practice. I plan on doing a video, in flight, that demonstrates how best to do it.
@@SethLakeDPE Thanks for your response Seth. Im at around 65hrs and just have my Cross Country Dual and and Solo time left to do for flight requirements. Working on trying to get ready to take the FAA Written exam and if completed then its down to preparing for Final Checkride. Your content has brought up good topics such as this to put focus on. Would love to chat with you more over time to ensure im at a good spot for the checkride preparation. Im also a USAF Veteran (non Pilot).
Excellent!!!! - one month away from DPE....Thank you!!
Great! Good luck!
THANK YOU. I'm going to teach like this. My instructor is a paper kind of guy... He's going to see this video. Time to get up with the times!
You welcome!
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ helpful thank you
Welcome!
Yes, Foreflight should let you put in the compass deviation per aircraft tail number.
Agreed
Great video! Quick nitpick however for whom it may concern. Not all DPEs see ForeFlight as a valid source of weather information. I was told by my flight school to never say ForeFlight is my main source of weather during the checkride and that my DPE would not accept that as an answer… Again, it varies with DPE but I figured I’d throw that out there in cases somebody potentially fails their oral over something like that. Research your DPE.
Interesting. I would argue my case in front of any DPE that ForeFlight is completely acceptable as a sole source of weather information. There is simply zero published information from the FAA stating that FF is not valid. The only Advisory Circular that specified approved vendors of weather was AC 00-62 which expired in 2013. The current guidance for self briefing is AC 91-92 which has a helpful preflight checklist. Although it doesn't mention ForeFlight, the provided checklist is almost a step by step copy of the ForeFlight generated briefing that can be found in the 'Flights' tab.
Additionally, the AC states that pilots SHOULD use online resources to conduct a self-briefing prior to contacting flight service and goes on to say that flight service is a consultative resource to be used as needed.
Lastly, ForeFlight timestamps your briefing when completed and keeps that information for 20 days on it's servers, providing proof that you did in fact complete a self-briefing that complies with FAR 91.103.
I think that is more than enough sources to quote any DPE that tells you it's not approved. DPEs are human and can be wrong, I will be the first one to confess I don't know everything. If you run into one that thinks they do know everything and won't accept change, find another one to work with.
A good learning experience of mine came from Petit Jean airport 11:20 . I was renting out of North Little Rock airport while at LRAFB for C130 loadmaster school, and I took the airplane up there one evening. didn't really check the notams too hard, and I found out the fun way that petit jean doesn't have working runway lights at night. the other time I flew there the sundowner's battery died as it was found later the battery wasn't replaced during the annual, and the new battery was still sitting on the shelf. the owners drove me and my friends back to LRAFB, and the airplane was ferried over to russellville to get a new battery.
I know that area quite well. I would like to go back someday!
I think I remember that actually. Did you know that I was one of the owners of that plane?
@SethLakeDPE oh no I didn't! I'm assuming you know Adam Boyd then. He checked me out in it
I do. Adam and I had that plane with a couple of other partners. Actually, I started my civilian flight instructing career in that aircraft several years ago (before we bought it). I absolutely love that plane. You can see my little brother solo it on one of the older videos on my channel here.
@SethLakeDPE awesome! I loved the way it flew. Had a few good learning experiences with it. Fly Bonanzas now and absolutely love the beechcraft product. Using your videos to study for my CPL checkride
Nice
How do you determine the power setting you are going to input on foreflight to get accurate toc and cruise speeds etc
The POH is the best place to start.
35:00 five minutes variation to a seven mile checkpoint. As a DPE, what would you consider the max or min checkpoint distance? (not what "should" you do as a pilot) I'd assume anything less than 7mi is too short, 20mi is prob too long.
(and it's a little different for sport PTS, so I should be less concerned anyhow, but curious)
It really depends on the geography of what you're flying over. If you are somewhere in west Texas, there may not be visual points every 10 or 20 miles. In that case, you're using dead reckoning versus pilotage. We talk about pilotage and dead reckoning as if they are the same thing, but they are distinct from one another. Charles Lindbergh used pure dead reckoning to cross the North Atlantic. Pure pilotage would be following I-40 across the US. In actual practice, we use a mixture of both in different ratios, depending on factors terrain and geography.
That's a long explanation to your straightforward question. To boil it down, I think 10-15 miles between points is adequate. Chapter 16 of Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge uses checkpoints that are spaced between 10-15 miles as well (just for reference). Although the sport PTS may be different, navigation is navigation no matter what your aircraft is certified for. However, slower aircraft may find it helpful to have slightly closer checkpoints due to the slower groundspeed.
haha hey you are never going to respond to my comments ever again! I respect you so much and am so thankful for all your help! but hope you have a sense of humor too :) I like your fidel castro costume :) never would I say that to your face but since there is a keyboard in between us I thought it was safe to give it a try lol ... much love and thank you again for helping all this info get into my thick skull
You're welcome and glad you got a smile out of my clothing choice ;)
Hey Seth - I’m a FF user as well. Do you think examiners will expect us to calculate and plot a top of climb distance/time/fuel or just let FF handle that and know how to calculate it out of the book if asked?
I think most examiners would expect you to have a basic knowledge of climb calculations and how they differ from cruise calculations. I would be prepared to discuss how you calculate them and how you programmed ForeFlight to calculate them.
Great video, thank you! Couple things 😊
1. ForeFlight may not work if you coming out of an airport that is underneath class B airspace. Let’s take KADS to KPRX - if I’m not on flight following - I can’t just climb to my cruise 5500 feet, I’ll need to do the step climbs to stay clear of Bravo. I know that on ForeFlight Map page I can pick altitude restrictions for my way points, however ForeFlight would give me an error like - short flight - cruise lower if I set my first check point at 2000 and cruise altitude 5500. If I set my cruise altitude at 2000 initially and then do step-ups using way points - it works on the map page, but it won’t transfer to flights page, nav log on flights would be stuck at 2000 all the way… So paper NavLog it is 😢😢 And I understand check ride probably won’t be on a flight following (they won’t let me 5500 right away, most likely 3500 first, 4500 and then my final 5500 at random points).
2. Some aircraft don’t have magnetic compass no more, 2022 Piper Archer for example - G1000NXi and G5 backup. No old school compass at all, no card, no UNOS and ANDS 😊
Good points. In that case, a paper navlog might be the best option. Although, planning the entire flight at 5500 and just leveling off for a period of time to get out from under the class B wouldn't have a big impact on the overall timing. Any timing issues could easily be accounted for by changing the average groundspeed slightly. Personally, I would be fine with a ForeFlight navlog in your case.
91.205 still lists a magnetic direction indicator. Saying a G1000NXI and/or G5 have no magnetic compass is technically incorrect. The Garmin GMU 11 and GMU 22 Magnetometer is a digital, solid state magnetic direction indicator that feed the G1000 and G5 with information. You are correct in stating they have no compass card, but knowing they exist and fullfil the requirements of a traditional rotating mass instrument is just as important.
Stay tuned for some videos I'll be doing on solid state avionics where I will go into more details. Cheers!
I too am all for foreflight, after you know all the basics and can do all your computations manually, effectively and proficiently. However, the counterargument to evaluating an applicant using foreflight vs papercharts, as discussed around the 20 minute mark, is that if they can do it on the old paper charts then they can easily do it in firefight or another EFB, provided of course they take the time to learn how to used said EFB. I will be going for my commercial checkride not long from now and unfortunately my future examiner does not seem to share Seth's enthusiasm for EFBs, which to me is extremely disappointing, as it in my opinion impractical to fumble around a small cockpit with a paper chart when we have these great tools available. Hopefully my examiner changes his mind.
I think we agree for the most part, however I don't think that being a good "paper-planner" means that you will automatically be a good "electronic-planner". They are two distinct skills and being good at one doesn't mean you will be good at the other. Thank you for the thoughtful feedback and best of luck on your upcoming checkride! I'm sure you will do great!
A compass should be tossed in all planes. I have been flying forever and I have never ever used a compass. Wind is a horrible thing to expect to be consistent for navigating….ask my neighbor who just won the key west sail open.
Tell your neighbor congratulations for me.
Wait…wait…wait. Are you saying Ii can do my flight planing on foreflight at check ride?
Absolutely! Now, its critical that you know HOW foreflight comes up with the navigation information. If you don't know how the information is calculated then you cannot demonstrate proficiency in the required skills. As long as you know how to do the calculations then using ForeFlight (or any other electronic planning software) is perfectly acceptable.
All I have in the aircraft is one VOR. No GPS.
Nice! That's some real navigation practice
i have no understanding of the navigation log
Checkout the Airplane Flying Handbook chapter on navigation
VFR check points. Waste dump, Sewer plant, Dump site. Freeways,
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One really important suggestion is get a better camera. Your video is very blurry.
Sorry
If you can’t afford two iPads you shouldn’t be flying. Call me, I’ll give you one.
Again, I disagree with you here.
Too many crashes from focusing on silly stuff. Focus on engine failures and because general aviation has one silly engine to keep you alive talk good about parachutes like brs. A European plane fully expands its chute in 2 seconds, another one is getting three small chutes. They work!
I agree with your first sentence (or attempt at one). Ironically, I own a multi-engine school so the I guess I'm not involved in the "silly" part of GA. Good to know. I'm not even going to address putting BRS on all aircraft.
@@SethLakeDPE okay mister parachute basher. Just go to chrome, search tools and last 24 hours. Do it everyday and you'll see so many deaths in general aviation daily. The acs is trash and I require all my students to fly in pipistrels, cirruses and there are many others coming along. Fusion magnus makes a very good plane I flew in 🇭🇺. Make a few videos on the inefficiency of the low iq faa still teaching the same deadly as that my gramps used in the same planes my gramps flew in. I have a net worth of 18,000,000 from not following low iq.
I didn't bash BRS. Congratulations for being smart and wealthy.
@@SethLakeDPE oh my bad.
@@SethLakeDPE your lucky you're not my dpe because I wouldn't answer any dumb questions. I'll probably do my checkride soon. I fly out of Melbourne Fl in an older sr20. If I get any dumb questions or he asks me to do short field landings on a long airport ill just say can't do.
Can I use google earth to identify where I am and what is below me for my landmarks? If no why not? I’m pissed because I’m worth 18,000,000 and I have to waste my time answering low iq questions that will not keep me alive. Fuel reserves? Why not just fill it up and start looking for a place to land for fuel an hour and a half out like my buddy that owns a mirage that flew c 130s in the service. Btw the mirage is a low iq plane…no brs. If you fly today with no parachute you don’t take your family too seriously
Your worth 1M more than a couple of days ago. At this rate you can just pay a full time pilot to worry about all of this.
@@SethLakeDPE I always say 18,000,000 but it’s really 32,000,000. I doubt I wrote 17,000,000 but ok. I actually can hire a pilot and that my friend is a great idea! I wish I hadn’t started off so sarcastic with you so I could have asked you some serious questions. Can I use google earth or not? Also, if I bought a cirrus and owned it could I rent it out and have it pick up a decent amount of the bill? I’m in Melbourne beach Florida..so a mid level city. I hate assets that don’t pay for themselves. I have all residential, commercial and industrial properties….obviously they are rented and that is my income. Even my river front property gets rented when I’m not there. You’re a bad ass and I was just messing with you…thanks for your service and thanks for your service to the aviation community.