@@Mrhappy1227 It was still correct in the original because i wanna say the change to infuriate/inner beast didn't happen till around 6.2 or so. it was a more recent change.
@@zazza002 I tried to look up the original video but I imagine he took it down so I can't confirm but I'm pretty sure he said the same thing he did in this video because it sounded familiar and I thought maybe he had rehashed that part from the old video so I think he would have correctly stated that you don't want to use it under inner release but I could be wrong
@@Xilibrius Sometimes using Infuriate during Inner Release is a must to prevent overcapping. I do it a lot in DSR because of saving resources for next phase.
I am so glad that "the fantasy" was included in your metrics. So often I see jobs get simplified down to just a numbers game and that breaks my heart. Even if you are a high end raider you SHOULD be playing this game because it is entertaining and fun to you.
Gunbreaker's "Double Down" has a 1 minute cool down, not 2. No Mercy, Sonic Break, Bow Shock and Double Down are 1 minute. Gnashing Fang and Blasting Zone are 30 seconds.
Came here to make this exact comment. How I generally open is: heavy swing, weave infuriate, maim, weave inner release, storm's eye, weave upheaval, inner chaos, fellcleave x3, primal rend (weave onslaughts to taste)
@@jolt187 For real. They first removed gauge cost from the oGCDs since that was apparently too much math, and now they made it so you can slap your keyboard and still get a perfect roration.
A con I would add to Gunbreaker, as a gunbreaker main, is that it probably suffers the most if there's significant boss downtime, and especially if you die. Going into a burst window without cartridges is a real feels bad scenario.
I like how dark nights DPS for their burst and opener is so high that it's actually better for a dancer to partner a dark night for their burst and then switch to someone else the rest of the time
Only if no sam or nin in the party, but ya. Was in TOP pf one time with RPR+DRG for melees and we just barely couldn't make the P1 DPS check. Asked if DNC was cool to dp swap me for opening and the DMG issues went away. I'm always rubbing my hands together when I don't see NIN or SAM in the party, but at the end of the day most DNC's don't seem to be aware of DRK's prio so it goes unutilized
Same for WAR as well. Been trying to get my static's dancer to give me DP cause I'm the highest damage dealer during that initial pot window on the team.
“Warrior mode, bald, beard, explosives, nuclear weapons, napalm, gasoline! It’s in the book! Hit ‘em with the book! There ain’t no words because we can’t read, but there are pictures!”
I started this game 2 months ago as black mage.1 month ago I tried marauder and then into warrior and now I want to play nothing but tank. Tanking is more fun then dps to me personally
People talk about BLM being Yoshi's favorite job need to look at Warrior. DPS-Healer-Tank all in one where you pretty much HAVE to be trying to play bad to make mistakes.
I've generally healed/played support roles in mmos. Warrior is fun. With the recent changes to shake it off, I feel like a third support. Not just that but with higher dungeons, I can keep someone alive with Nascent Flash. As a beginner tanks go Warrior is such an easy job to learn. Just Unga bunga and go. Honestly thought about swapping roles for awhile and learning how to tank properly with warrior just because things go booom and you feel unkillable.
as a tank main, i def agree on GNB and DRK being a tonnnn more busy than the other 2 tanks. they essentially have dps burst windows, while being tanks. although GNB's timing is far more strict than DRK with its burst. For people who want an easier time tanking WAR is def the right pick. and for people who wanna tank, but still have a rotation on the level of a DPS, GNB is a good pick.
I'm a GNB main, I picked up the job following a hiatus between Stormblood and Shadowbringers. While I am currently levelling all jobs right now, when I do roulettes, or progress the MSQ its as a GNB. Love the job fantasy, and I think it's a lot of fun to play
Throwing in my two cents as a dungeon tank user, DRK feels the most lacking in terms of damage mitigation to me. Pulling big groups is the most stressful of the four classes with less defensive buffs. I can heal myself or protect my team fine with the other three but without life steal from solo combos the health drains significantly more, my hotbar is definately the least busy of all the tanks for sure.
Dark Mind is in such a weird place. Right now savage/ultimate are *overwhelmingly* magic damage, so it's so powerful in that context (free 10s 20% mit every 60 seconds on top of Oblation and TBN) that DRK often has the *most* mit of the 4 there, but then trash pulls are almost all phys damage so it's basically worthless in dungeons.
What I've found useful when trash pulling as DRK in dungeons is to save abyssal drain for when your health is low. It's basically almost a full heal OGCD if you use it in a big pull. That and remembering to pair TBN with a defensive cd makes it feel not THAT bad in dungeons imo.
In big dungeon pulls I’m basically doing tbn as soon as it comes up unless the pack is 3 or less. I start with ramp tbn and oblation, then if that’s not enough I go with shadow wall tbn and oblation, and usually that’s all that’s needed for the big ones. Saving abyssal drain for when I’m low is important too, especially for those really big packs.
TBN more. If you're using a not free Flood of Darkness/Shadow and you weren't about to overcap mp that is mitigation you lost. In trash pulls it will almost certainly break unless a WHM is spamming Holy, so use it more and your issues will probably be resolved. I would say that in trash pulls DRK's sustain is worse than PLD's and of course nothing can touch Warrior, but it's still better than GNB.
First time listening to your channel and was impressed by the professionalism of your commentary, the overall flow, and the overview of the subject. Won't read this but wanted to congratulate you on a job well done.
I really wish they brought an intervene to lower level for PLD having at 74 sucks when doing ultimates like UWU and UCob, where even 1 dash is nice to have. Also bright dark missionary below 70 too in order to standardize tanks across all Ultimates. DRK DMG at that level is pretty poor as is, so missing a whole raid wide mit makes DRK a poor choice overall I feel.
another con of DRK is that it is the onyl tank of the 4 that didnt get a 'parry' mechanic (boosted during the early duration, to promote mitigating closer to when whatever damage is about to go off) on it's iconic defensive cooldown
Just wanna say a thank you for taking the time to do all your research on the jobs and how they work. It may be looked over because you’re a “ff content creator” but it takes time to understand the intricacies of each job and the “niche” situations they can be in for some skills to be worth using. Im sure it takes a lot of time and i for one appreciate all the effort and consistency on these videos.
Marauder into warrior was my first tank introduction and now I really enjoy tanking and it will be my secondary class i main. Right now I’ve mained black mage from the beginning which is fun for mass dps but tanks I feel like I control a lot in battle and to me it’s a lot of fun amd mastering it can really save ur team
The DPS really is the only thing keeping me from loving new PLD fully. Love the new rotation, reworked veil, all that stuff is great. But....give atonement 20 potency buff and that should be all it needs. Atonement does make roughly half of its total DPS, so combine that with possibly royal authority and it should be remedied. Now buff it back to 550 potency per atonement...
Well well well do i have news for you. (this is a joke. but to note incase you haven't stayed current, Attonement/royal athor pot got buffed up by EXACTLY 20 in 6.4)
PLD is more attractive than ever to me. I dropped it over the past year and now I'm like "Damn, this is real nice". It does feel a little... uh... simple? Below level 68. But at 90 it's very fun.
WAR sucks to optimise at lower levels thanks to inner release being weaker than storm's path, but once you get fell cleave at level 54 then it feels really nice and it's smooth sailing from there. I would say PLD is easier to get into for ARR, then after that WAR.
Hey Happy, a suggestion for videos like this would be to show a large example of the ability symbol and the ability description on screen when you go over each one. A lot of beginners watch your videos. You are basically speaking greek to people that haven't played a long time and know all these abilities. Btw, I love your vids man!
Yup… I don’t die as a warrior but with Gunblader i am constantly sweating and my poor healer clearly was sweating as well. Dark Knight has the shield thingy giving healers some time to catch up. Pally, well you can always heal yourself if things get tricky
Thanks for the updated video! Ive been wanting to try tanking for such a long time but always get anxious with it. Having videos like this with some insight has finally helped me get my butt in gear and get drk to 90. Been thoroughly enjoying it and looking to give gnb a go next. Keep up the good work mr :)
My Abyssos static had some healing problems that we didn’t address well, and it ultimately culminated in me dying THREE TIMES to the tankbuster bleed (not even autos, just the bleed) in P5S as a DRK despite using the appropriate amount of mit for the swap (Shadow Wall, The Blackest Night, Oblation, and Dark Mind). I just slowly bled out and neither of our healers really cared. We got the P5S kill on our last night of prog for the week, and in preparation for next week, I bought a WAR level skip to 80, leveled it to 90 that weekend, and switched to WAR for the following week’s P5S clear and P6S prog. I never wanted to be that beholden to a healer again, and WAR delivered for me. I had never played it before and we got the P6S kill that second week, followed by the P7S kill the week following. Unfortunately we disbanded after 3 weeks of P8S phase 1 prog because our healers basically refused to heal and we couldn’t do mechanics with the deaths we were having, even though we weren’t messing up mechanics that often, BUT Warrior was a super quick pick-up-and-go tank that I learned in one weekend, and is still my favorite tank to play when I don’t know how my healers are going to play. Definitely recommend the job to anyone who wants to start tanking or wants to be more self-reliant for content.
DRK is probably the best tank for the current tier of savage with only really GNB being maybe better. Dark mind is amazing because almost every source of dmg in the current raids is magical dmg so you just have an extra rampart with a 1m CD, TBN can be used 2x on tank busters with a bleed to absorb the 1st hit and part of the bleed, and DRK does the most dmg of all the tanks because the meta centers around raid buffs and drk has the strongest burst.
@@destinl8382 Oh for sure, once I got gear I went back to DRK for some reclears, and it's insane how DRKs can take the P6S Chelic Synergy or the P7S Condensed Aero tankbusters by themselves if the other tank throws one thing of mit on them. Dark Mind is an insanely powerful defensive ability for only being on a 60 second cooldown.
PLD needs a special high damage shockwave of light sword slash type attack for the next expansion so it can truly look the part of an LV100 FF Paladin aka Cecil
I personally think, whenever you're in Passage of Arms, Shield Bash should be usable and should have some really high damage multiplier (like how everything else does under Requiescat and Holy Spirit does under Requiescat and Divine Might) making it more or less damage neutral (don't want it to be a damage GAIN since that would have people using Passage as part of an "optimal rotation", so it should be ~ neutral), but basically where you have a button you can slam and get a big "smack the enemy in the face" animation. Heck, the intro cinematic to Endwalker basically has the WoL PLD doing it! Just being able to do that during Passage would be amazing. After that, I personally would combine FoF into Requiescat (remove the requirement to be in melee for Requiescat) since you always use them together now anyway, and just...removing Goring Blade splitting its damage across Swords anyway (which would have the added bonus of making missing a crit not hurt as much). Or make Shield Bash turn into it. I dunno, just something because it's kind of just...there...because vestigial, I guess. And no one really likes that much. And PLD is probably the most button bloated Tank, so combining those buttons (FoF/Requi, Shield Bash/Goring Blade) would probably be better for people's hotbars anyway.
@@SubduedRadical anything would beat Shield Bash to be honest but what you're proposing is actually a good idea i would personally love an attack (with the properties i mentioned as its animation) that gets boosted if used right after passage of arms and the boost is that it has a % of damage increased by the number of players we shielded with Passage of Arms this would be a gorgeous thing and my favorite skill in the entire game if they add it to PLD
Really glad continuation's range was increased, but feels weird to not also grant that range boost to blasting zone. Though personally with that animation I feel like anything less than it being a 10 yalm line aoe isn't doing it justice. Though personally its biggest issue is how demanding the rotation is. Every tank has little things they can do to optimize burst windows for a bit of extra damage. Bringing in additional beast gauge, having a dark arts proc, divine might proc. Gunbreaker doesn't have any additional damage it can get, only damage it can lose. Fuck up your rotation at all, say goodbye to double down in raid buffs. Downtime in fights is a nightmare to deal with. Still hoping they make it so that it has no cartridge cost at some point.
I think they should just throw a cartridge generation on Sonic Break. That pretty much resolves the issue of not being able to Double Down in a reasonable time unless you actually came into No Mercy with 0 Cartridges and Bloodfest is on cooldown... which would kind of be your own fault at that point. I disagree with your argument that GNB can only lose damage while other tanks can optimize, I would argue that any tank not optimizing is losing damage. If a Warrior is going into raid buffs with less gauge than they could have that's a damage loss, if a PLD doesn't have a Divine Might proc that's a damage loss. Not getting Double Down under raid buffs is bad, but so is not getting Primal Rend or Confiteor. The only real difference is Double Down has a resource cost.
Maybe a better point to end the Conclusion section on would be for which tanks are better for Main Tank roles in 8-24 man raids, and which are best set for Off-Tank roles. That’s actually a point where I’d label Gunbreaker as the Ace Off-Tank with its ability to share buffs and Shields with the MT.
I was SO SURE my beloved DRK was going to feature as the last (or loser) considering how busy it is and the fact that it doesn't have much sustaining. It surely was a nice surprise.
For me at least DRK has been feeling a lot stronger as of late despite the lack of patch changes themselves, even the things that should be considered cumbersome aren’t as bad as they were before
It's worth mentioning as a con for Warrior, it's not the greatest for progressing ultimate fights, both at race and midcore levels. Its mitigation is stellar for dealing with repeated small and medium hits, but if you get a sitation like TOP p6 where the tanks are taking a large number of extremely high damage hits, the other tanks are much better at dealing with those situations.
I love PLD. I'm glad you included fantasy as a pro, but I still need it to be more magic focused. I still think it's held back by being stuck to Gladiator. I feel like before 70, it's kind of dull in the magic department. I wouldn't mind it getting a stronger rework in 7.0.
Same, i dont know why they completely reworked Drk like that. I loved Drk in Stormblood. I was an unstoppable wall and had tons of self heals since it wasn't on a rediculously long CD. Basically like playing a warrior. And Drk has like 2 defensive abilities outside of the universal tank CDs. If it cant mitigate damage then that's not a tank imo. (Aka, why Drk is top pick in end game raids)
Mr. Happy, is your winning tank your favorite to play as well, or simply the tank you recommend the most for general audiences? If it is not your personal favorite, what is? I'm curious.
Im a tank main since a little bit before heavensward came out and i picked up paladin was really dissapointed till lvl 30 and then i picked up Warrior and was blowm away. Since then warrior is my favourite class. I get kinda bored sometimes but running through a dungeon and cleaving Everything is just fun!
The fact that people are comparing DPS between the tanks is a pretty telling metric that the tank class isn't being properly challenged in content for what it is supposed to be, a tank. In pretty much every other mmo the tanks are compared solely on survivability. FFXIV is the first one where I never hear anyone talking about that and only talk DPS.
Honestly, as much as ye try to make it sound close.... It's not REALLY that close. Not for casual or dungeon content. Warriors in Endwalker aren't 'Strong' they're batshit broken.
Seems like I am the only one who think WAR is difficult (WAR 80, PLD 90, DRK 90, didn't play GNB) To me, PLD and DRK is quite straightforward, press defensive to be more tanky, and when some special skills than 1-2-3 combo is ready, it is just pop orange. WAR, on the other hand, is hard to optimized Beast Gauge (I overcapped Beast Gauge as a WAR a lot more times than I overcapped Blood Gauge as a DRK, and PLD's Oath Gauge is for defensive skills) WAR is also time sensitive CD usage because it is more focusing on self-heal than reducing damage. I most of the time used it at the wrong timing ended up with overheal myself and had no CD left for the next mechanic. Or I use shake-it off without any buff on myself and getting its minimum effects.
I myself don't care about DPS that hard for tanks - while with healers I absolutely DPS acting more as life support than healthcare I can't count how often my group lost both healers at boss being like 10% and paladin saving the day. Not going to lie, it has both comfy gameplay and a decent oh-shit-button on option to panic heal for at least some time.
WAR still does a good amount less DPS than GNB. Look at aDPS not rDPS. No tanks have a raid buff, sonall rDPS does is take off the dmg you do under other people'a buffs (which jobs like drl and gnb do quite well)
2:29 Super excited for a "full rework" coming up in next expansion. Just feels "unfinished" not complaining but just can't wait for the full rework! lol kind of weird when you are leaving out 2 attonements every 1 minute cycle then having conf. stacks not being used on the holy spells but /shrug, hopefully the come up with a more "compelling" rotation for full rework.
You don't need to do that. Just keeping your rotation running normally, and interrupting it every minute for your burst GCDs, is considered on par or better than all of the "optimizations" that drop Atonements or hardcast Holy Spirits.
Really looking at the party healing and buffs all the Tanks can drop, what exactly makes Paladin unique? I've always figured PLD was the only tank capable of supporting allies and THAT was why it did less damage than other tanks, but going through this ALL the tanks can do the stuff PLD does and some simply much better, so wtf is even the point? Now it just feels like I'm just tooting my own horn with the holy warrior aesthetic.
I love dark knight, it's my go-to tank but my only two real complaints are it's lack of sustain which is a general one, and the fact that they switched salted Earth to place on self instead of ground target. I had it Mack road to my target so it's centered it on whatever I was fighting. Now during large pulls I have to place it at my feet and then step back to maximize the amount of mobs that are in it
I used to be sad about the sustain, until organizing party mits. DRK has a LOT of mits. Essentially a DRK can easily hit 50%-60% Mit + TBN for a buster every minute. IIRC other tanks only get up to 30-40% with including the short CD. So DRK has great damage, amazing Mit, and a pretty good shield. But they have bad healing and no Max HP boosting. If DRKs could also heal up on top of that it'd be a bit too much. I do wish that you could toggle how Salted Earth worked. For me, I like how its one less button to hit in the opener.
Paladin needs to bed the most aoen and personal defensive tank, dark knight need all the Regen abilities war has and do the most damage with warrior, being the self heal vampire tank, warrior needs to be the highest dose tank with a lot of battle control and loose it's absurd self healing, focusing on mitigation, gunbreaker need to be the most versatile tank who can cover an aspect of all 3 roles better than the other tanks. I say this as a 10 year ultimate raider Omni tank that's played every expansion tank
It's a shame because thematically I never was a fan of the Barbarian style tank but I LOVE the gameplay style of a self heal tank in other games. If I didn't dislike the dumb "HULK SMASH" theme, I would go Warrior 10 out of 10 times.
Paladin feels underpowered for the way the other classes can freely reup their damage buff at will. Also the cast time for paladin should have been completely eliminated in the rework
Really hard to use outsider of organized groups. You take the damage the covered would take, not mitigated at all by a tank's innate defensiveness, or any mits you activate. Can get you killed. Furthermore, the range is tiny. You basically have to be right next to them the entire time. And lastly, Intervention exists, which fulfills a similar purpose, but is a thousand times easier to use.
WAR seems to be top pick for most casual and to mid end content, and even in high end where Holmgang cd can be exploited to full effectiveness. Otherwise right now considering only high end gameplay, DRK seems to be the top pick by far. Even during DSR and now with TOP, DRK has the highest clear rates and the most picked job in any comp (and I mean the most picked job and not just most picked tank). While both WAR and DRK do benefit from downtime optimization and during reopeners, it's lowkey hilarious to see DRK outdamaging most dps during their burst (except for NIN and SAM probably).
The fact warrior is the lifesteal tank and not dark knight is the stupidest thing ever. Warrior has never been a lifesteal job in any FF. It's always had super high base HP and defense, which i feel high mit and sheilds would better suit it (which it does have.) but Drk's entire shtick in other FF games is to burn hp to hit harder then steal it back. They can't really make it a tank if it burns its hp but they could definitely keep the lifesteal aspect. But nope. Warrior has decent mitigation, multiple shields, and lifesteal to an almost ludicrous degree. while dark knight is left with a pretty decent shield (that i feel has gotten outclassed by the other tanks short cooldown tank skills) and magic specific mit. Yes they have the highest damage, but so what. They can firmly give that title to gunbreaker if it means i can actually feel like I'm playing a dark knight and not just a guy with a big sword.
I think I'd like GNB a little more if it didn't have no mercy and sonic break, they're not all that interesting to use and railroad you into a clunky window. They could free up the space for an aoe gnashing combo so it doesn't just sit there in dungeon pulls.
I could care less about the dps, I've been playing paladin back in beta phase 2 and it's the only main tank job I use. I have always loved paladin back in d&d, only problem with ff14 with paladin I don't feel like a wall of defense with all this dps meta junk.
agree that WAR deserves the win. Other tanks have some issue here or there that is rather noticeable such as the GNB's no mercy not really being well optimised for fitting all of its burst window actions or DRK's defensive kit being strangely magic-biased, having a heal-check-tax on its invuln, TBN having a shield-break-check, etc, PLD had clunky aspects of kit like divine veil (albeit fixed in 6.3) or straight up useless stuff like Cover. The way WAR is designed now is fairly all-around solid and the only possible big flaw it may have is being under-tuned in damage for certain patches, which is easily fixed in a potency buff. it is the least clunky tank, and that can really go a long way to making a job enjoyable to play. WAR even has QoL fixes like infuriate no longer messing up inner release stacks, meanwhile 6.3 PLD still has stuff like atonement breaking your GCD combo
The magic part is only a thing in dungeons where you take mostly physical, almost every raid buster is magical and half the autos are magical as well. LD now also heals you for your full hp without outside health by tying a heal of over 1000 potency to each gcd you press while in walking dead.
Overall, to me Paladin 6.3 rework was a blessing. I was afraid, what it might be like, but now it's easier to maintain, and the even minute burst is easier to hit within party buffs than before (since PLD didn't have an actual burst previously). Still, it isn't dealing highest DPS out of all tanks, but in my book, with the easier to handle burst, it did receive a boost. But I disagree that PLD does the lowest DPS out of all tanks. I've seen that WAR does a little less than PLD. And yeah, its invuln is still with the longest cooldown, but it has no other drawbacks whatsoever. And overall, I think PLD's are now used more because of the rework. They were pretty scarce before. Here's my order for the best invulns: 1. Hallowed Ground (PLD), 2. Superbolide (GNB), 3. Living Dead (DRK), 4. Holmgang (WAR). Why Holmgang last? Well, it's effect, I think, is the worst. Holmgang only makes sure WAR's HP doesn't fall below 1 point as long as it's effect lasts. Living dead on 3rd place is imo, justified. Now that it has a self-healing added into it, it is better than Holmgang, but it can still cause KO if used wrong. Superbolide is 2nd best. While it reduces GNB's HP to 1 when activated, it provides the same invuln like PLD's Hallowed Ground: GNB doesn't take any damage while it is active. It is then up to healers to handle the rest. And I already told, why Hallowed Ground is the best.
holmgang's drawback isn't really a drawback what with Warrior's crazy self-healing. On top of that, having a short cooldown means you can use it more often and in a limited length fight, that can make or break some strats. For example: In an 8 min fight, more often than not, PLD's not going to be able to use their invuln twice. It was the case back in e12s where PLD would always have to be the 2nd invuln tank for the buster just because of the CD length while GNB just barely didn't make the cut and WAR and DRK could use their invuln twice. In fact, they could both invuln the 1st TB then WAR would invuln the next and DRK last. You really shouldn't underestimate the CD length and how much it affects the skill's usability. Heck, there's been jokes about Hallowed's CD since back in the day. (and the CD on hallowed's still not back up XD)
Gunbreaker is the best babysitter tank for PF the amount of runs I've save from throwing HoC and my other target able heal defence on almost dead raisers to save the runs
I think DRK unfortunately has to be declared the winner with current tanks, even though I don't really like it's design. It's the top dog in high tier play because it's just the minmaxer's dream. Right now in the 92 clears of TOP on FFlogs only 6 groups don't have a DRK. The first clear to not have a DRK was after 25 teams had already cleared. When it comes to offense it's just too much better than other tanks at exploiting burst windows and dealing with downtime (because of continuous mp regen) that it naturally pulls further ahead in Ultimates full of those things, and it already had a lead on the other tanks in Savages. It can put way too much of its damage pretty much wherever it wants to in its rotation since so much is oGCDs. Defensively DRK is also the best tank unless you manage to find a fight with no magic damage. Dark Mind being on 60s is absolutely huge, and the way that shields become better with more %mit while other %mit stacks worse can actually be relevant with high enough incoming damage. Oblation is up for basically all the damage you want it to be if you use it right. Living Dead is on a 5 min cooldown but since the changes is probably stronger on a per use basis than Superbolide. Really the only even kind of weakness that DRK has is a lack of sustain, which quite honestly isn't a big deal when healers have so many oGCDs and your co-tank can probably give you something. Other than that the worst you can say is how it isn't literally the best at some niches that other tanks still have, like how it only has the second shortest Invuln or is not quite as good at handling high damage to both tanks as Warrior and PLD. It's my least favorite tank to play right now with the least inspired feeling design, but if you don't already have a DRK in your group you probably go DRK if you want to make the optimal choice.
I agree with it being all about preference, I just wish they would stop taking tank responsibilites away from us. Its to the point where we dont feel like tanks anymore, no boss movement, aggro manages itself, the bosses fucking 360 spin no matter what we do, we can invuln damn near every scary buster/mech in the raid, autos are starting to not be scary anymore, basically we're just melee dps without positionals right now.
To be fair: Melee DPS are basically Melee DPS without positionals right now. :) Between hitboxes the size of Jupiter, auto-centering bosses, True North and related skills, Potency loss of missing positionals being pretty minimal, and at least a third of the expansion's bosses being wall bosses with omni-directional hit boxes (such that positionals are considered met no matter where you are), Meleewalker Melee DPSers have a lot less concern over positionals as well. In some cases, it's not that bad, but in some - MNK in particular, which really used to feel like they mattered - it's changed the feel of the Job quite a bit.
@@SubduedRadical Yeah, I honestly feel that if they dont scale back on the teleporting to center and massive hitboxes that they should honestly just remove positionals from the game since for the most part they really dont matter much like you said.
This is like those monthly "vote for your favorite FF character polls" on reddit where you know Tifa is going to win before the poll even starts, yet you still despise it...
And WAR isnt even the best tank rn DRK is, maybe you could argue GNB. WAR is only best at casual content, but in casual content the job you play doesnt matter at all so.
Bring back DRK from heavensward and I would never play any other class. Also replace the shitty salted earth with something actually useful, like the old Dark Passenger, Power Slash or the old delirium, something nice, salted earth has got to be the most garbage skill in the game. And replace the useless unmend trait, who the fuck thought that was a nice trait to have?
Talk about telling me you're just not into DRK without telling me you're not just into DRK. I mean, the *ONE* job that *ALL* of the first 20 teams to clear Omega Ultimate (including yours, obviously) had in common was DRK. While theoretically GNB has a higher DPS, in most fights and comps DRK outperforms it because of the 2 minute meta (going by fflogs here). You've given a "win" to each of the other three jobs before... but DRK doesn't get it even in an expansion when its *this* dominant? And it doesn't even come second on your list for its DPS, even though it's arguably the top DPS tank as well? I mean everyone's allowed to have their preference, and we can all agree to disagree, but... if you analyze jobs based on their performance, say all the jobs are viable, and then not give the "win" to the job that has by far the best performance, you're basically saying "yeah, this job will never be the best tank in my book unless none of the others are viable."
Well yeah but you're only looking at numbers and the top 500 or so players. Why do you think easy to play and job fantasy are a plus to the jobs? Cause of fun and accessibility for people who might not do the absolute hardest content in the game and play every job perfectly.
DRK is so boring for me now. Its really unfortunate. I've played the class since Heavensward and found myself enjoying it less and less with every expansion. The high APM opener is great, but after that the job literally falls flat. It feels like im playing at level 50 with barely any abilities. LS is nothing more than a glorified DOT, Dark Arts is a pathetic mockery of what it once was, shadowbringer looking/feeling extremely underwhelming and looking nearly identical to Flood, and the gauge is the most uninspired mechanic ever... There was so much potential to make the class unique and different but it just feels generic and bland. It definitely looks like a Dark Knight but doesnt feel like one. Maybe its me, but i feel as time went on most jobs lost their identity to the devs trying to keep the game as balanced as possible. Its a big reason why I believe people loved the PVP changes so much. It was such a stark contrast in uniqueness between jobs (every job does its role and plays differently) and how class identity for each class returned.
Enfuriate now can be used during Inner Release without sacrificing an inner release stack.
Woops! Yeah I was afraid I'd miss some detail. I think this was actually wrong in the original lol
@@Mrhappy1227 It was still correct in the original because i wanna say the change to infuriate/inner beast didn't happen till around 6.2 or so. it was a more recent change.
@@Mrhappy1227 You were corrected in the original aswell. Hopefully you get it right the next time :(
@@zazza002 I tried to look up the original video but I imagine he took it down so I can't confirm but I'm pretty sure he said the same thing he did in this video because it sounded familiar and I thought maybe he had rehashed that part from the old video so I think he would have correctly stated that you don't want to use it under inner release but I could be wrong
@@Xilibrius Sometimes using Infuriate during Inner Release is a must to prevent overcapping. I do it a lot in DSR because of saving resources for next phase.
I am so glad that "the fantasy" was included in your metrics. So often I see jobs get simplified down to just a numbers game and that breaks my heart. Even if you are a high end raider you SHOULD be playing this game because it is entertaining and fun to you.
Gunbreaker's "Double Down" has a 1 minute cool down, not 2. No Mercy, Sonic Break, Bow Shock and Double Down are 1 minute. Gnashing Fang and Blasting Zone are 30 seconds.
10:33 that doesn't happen anymore, you can freely infuriate during inner release without losing stacks
Damn bro they really removed the ability for warrior to make a mistake
Came here to make this exact comment. How I generally open is:
heavy swing, weave infuriate, maim, weave inner release, storm's eye, weave upheaval, inner chaos, fellcleave x3, primal rend (weave onslaughts to taste)
@@jolt187 For real. They first removed gauge cost from the oGCDs since that was apparently too much math, and now they made it so you can slap your keyboard and still get a perfect roration.
@@jolt187 Man people talking about how BLM is Yoshi's favorite job need to take a look a WAR. DPS-Healer-Tank all in one.
@@pentagonofpeople Weave IR and upheaval together after storm's eye for the free 10-second extension on the storm's eye buff. Free stonks.
A con I would add to Gunbreaker, as a gunbreaker main, is that it probably suffers the most if there's significant boss downtime, and especially if you die. Going into a burst window without cartridges is a real feels bad scenario.
I like how dark nights DPS for their burst and opener is so high that it's actually better for a dancer to partner a dark night for their burst and then switch to someone else the rest of the time
Only if no sam or nin in the party, but ya. Was in TOP pf one time with RPR+DRG for melees and we just barely couldn't make the P1 DPS check. Asked if DNC was cool to dp swap me for opening and the DMG issues went away. I'm always rubbing my hands together when I don't see NIN or SAM in the party, but at the end of the day most DNC's don't seem to be aware of DRK's prio so it goes unutilized
*knight
ahhh that's why this one dancer i had partner with the Drk instead of me the Samurai and partner back with me after 20 seconds lol
I love stealing cards from DPS in the opener, too :D
Same for WAR as well. Been trying to get my static's dancer to give me DP cause I'm the highest damage dealer during that initial pot window on the team.
10 years as a Warrior main down, ready for another 10.
10 years as a Paladin main, 10 more as Warrior to go
“Warrior mode, bald, beard, explosives, nuclear weapons, napalm, gasoline! It’s in the book! Hit ‘em with the book! There ain’t no words because we can’t read, but there are pictures!”
Man mode!!
I started this game 2 months ago as black mage.1 month ago I tried marauder and then into warrior and now I want to play nothing but tank. Tanking is more fun then dps to me personally
@@JH-vb1woIt's fun until the healer stacks slacking off then your squad gets wiped and everyone blames you.
I know with Gunbreaker I manage to handle soloing bosses in the story dungeons with its utility. Heart of Corundum is just really good.
People talk about BLM being Yoshi's favorite job need to look at Warrior. DPS-Healer-Tank all in one where you pretty much HAVE to be trying to play bad to make mistakes.
WAR was pretty much best in class in FFXI when I played it. It probably will be in FFXVIII as well 😂
Best thing about warror is when the rest of the team are just there for company behind the closed room while you solo the boss.
I've generally healed/played support roles in mmos. Warrior is fun. With the recent changes to shake it off, I feel like a third support. Not just that but with higher dungeons, I can keep someone alive with Nascent Flash. As a beginner tanks go Warrior is such an easy job to learn. Just Unga bunga and go.
Honestly thought about swapping roles for awhile and learning how to tank properly with warrior just because things go booom and you feel unkillable.
I'm a simple WAR, I see something and I smash.
as a tank main, i def agree on GNB and DRK being a tonnnn more busy than the other 2 tanks. they essentially have dps burst windows, while being tanks. although GNB's timing is far more strict than DRK with its burst. For people who want an easier time tanking WAR is def the right pick. and for people who wanna tank, but still have a rotation on the level of a DPS, GNB is a good pick.
I'm a GNB main, I picked up the job following a hiatus between Stormblood and Shadowbringers. While I am currently levelling all jobs right now, when I do roulettes, or progress the MSQ its as a GNB. Love the job fantasy, and I think it's a lot of fun to play
Throwing in my two cents as a dungeon tank user, DRK feels the most lacking in terms of damage mitigation to me. Pulling big groups is the most stressful of the four classes with less defensive buffs. I can heal myself or protect my team fine with the other three but without life steal from solo combos the health drains significantly more, my hotbar is definately the least busy of all the tanks for sure.
Dark Mind is in such a weird place. Right now savage/ultimate are *overwhelmingly* magic damage, so it's so powerful in that context (free 10s 20% mit every 60 seconds on top of Oblation and TBN) that DRK often has the *most* mit of the 4 there, but then trash pulls are almost all phys damage so it's basically worthless in dungeons.
What I've found useful when trash pulling as DRK in dungeons is to save abyssal drain for when your health is low. It's basically almost a full heal OGCD if you use it in a big pull. That and remembering to pair TBN with a defensive cd makes it feel not THAT bad in dungeons imo.
In big dungeon pulls I’m basically doing tbn as soon as it comes up unless the pack is 3 or less. I start with ramp tbn and oblation, then if that’s not enough I go with shadow wall tbn and oblation, and usually that’s all that’s needed for the big ones. Saving abyssal drain for when I’m low is important too, especially for those really big packs.
TBN more. If you're using a not free Flood of Darkness/Shadow and you weren't about to overcap mp that is mitigation you lost. In trash pulls it will almost certainly break unless a WHM is spamming Holy, so use it more and your issues will probably be resolved.
I would say that in trash pulls DRK's sustain is worse than PLD's and of course nothing can touch Warrior, but it's still better than GNB.
Balance in dungeons does not really matter much anyway. minus criterion but not many people play it anymore.
First time listening to your channel and was impressed by the professionalism of your commentary, the overall flow, and the overview of the subject. Won't read this but wanted to congratulate you on a job well done.
I really appreciate the no-hud showcase of the moves, love to see the roles in all their immersive glory
I really wish they brought an intervene to lower level for PLD having at 74 sucks when doing ultimates like UWU and UCob, where even 1 dash is nice to have. Also bright dark missionary below 70 too in order to standardize tanks across all Ultimates. DRK DMG at that level is pretty poor as is, so missing a whole raid wide mit makes DRK a poor choice overall I feel.
another con of DRK is that it is the onyl tank of the 4 that didnt get a 'parry' mechanic (boosted during the early duration, to promote mitigating closer to when whatever damage is about to go off) on it's iconic defensive cooldown
The only tank with one combo.
Just wanna say a thank you for taking the time to do all your research on the jobs and how they work. It may be looked over because you’re a “ff content creator” but it takes time to understand the intricacies of each job and the “niche” situations they can be in for some skills to be worth using. Im sure it takes a lot of time and i for one appreciate all the effort and consistency on these videos.
Marauder into warrior was my first tank introduction and now I really enjoy tanking and it will be my secondary class i main. Right now I’ve mained black mage from the beginning which is fun for mass dps but tanks I feel like I control a lot in battle and to me it’s a lot of fun amd mastering it can really save ur team
These vs videos are so fun, they actually help me figure out what I want to play too
The DPS really is the only thing keeping me from loving new PLD fully. Love the new rotation, reworked veil, all that stuff is great.
But....give atonement 20 potency buff and that should be all it needs. Atonement does make roughly half of its total DPS, so combine that with possibly royal authority and it should be remedied.
Now buff it back to 550 potency per atonement...
Well well well do i have news for you. (this is a joke. but to note incase you haven't stayed current, Attonement/royal athor pot got buffed up by EXACTLY 20 in 6.4)
PLD is more attractive than ever to me. I dropped it over the past year and now I'm like "Damn, this is real nice". It does feel a little... uh... simple? Below level 68. But at 90 it's very fun.
WAR sucks to optimise at lower levels thanks to inner release being weaker than storm's path, but once you get fell cleave at level 54 then it feels really nice and it's smooth sailing from there. I would say PLD is easier to get into for ARR, then after that WAR.
Hey Happy, a suggestion for videos like this would be to show a large example of the ability symbol and the ability description on screen when you go over each one. A lot of beginners watch your videos. You are basically speaking greek to people that haven't played a long time and know all these abilities.
Btw, I love your vids man!
Yup… I don’t die as a warrior but with Gunblader i am constantly sweating and my poor healer clearly was sweating as well. Dark Knight has the shield thingy giving healers some time to catch up. Pally, well you can always heal yourself if things get tricky
Thanks for the updated video! Ive been wanting to try tanking for such a long time but always get anxious with it. Having videos like this with some insight has finally helped me get my butt in gear and get drk to 90. Been thoroughly enjoying it and looking to give gnb a go next. Keep up the good work mr :)
My Abyssos static had some healing problems that we didn’t address well, and it ultimately culminated in me dying THREE TIMES to the tankbuster bleed (not even autos, just the bleed) in P5S as a DRK despite using the appropriate amount of mit for the swap (Shadow Wall, The Blackest Night, Oblation, and Dark Mind). I just slowly bled out and neither of our healers really cared. We got the P5S kill on our last night of prog for the week, and in preparation for next week, I bought a WAR level skip to 80, leveled it to 90 that weekend, and switched to WAR for the following week’s P5S clear and P6S prog. I never wanted to be that beholden to a healer again, and WAR delivered for me. I had never played it before and we got the P6S kill that second week, followed by the P7S kill the week following. Unfortunately we disbanded after 3 weeks of P8S phase 1 prog because our healers basically refused to heal and we couldn’t do mechanics with the deaths we were having, even though we weren’t messing up mechanics that often, BUT Warrior was a super quick pick-up-and-go tank that I learned in one weekend, and is still my favorite tank to play when I don’t know how my healers are going to play. Definitely recommend the job to anyone who wants to start tanking or wants to be more self-reliant for content.
DRK is probably the best tank for the current tier of savage with only really GNB being maybe better. Dark mind is amazing because almost every source of dmg in the current raids is magical dmg so you just have an extra rampart with a 1m CD, TBN can be used 2x on tank busters with a bleed to absorb the 1st hit and part of the bleed, and DRK does the most dmg of all the tanks because the meta centers around raid buffs and drk has the strongest burst.
@@destinl8382 Oh for sure, once I got gear I went back to DRK for some reclears, and it's insane how DRKs can take the P6S Chelic Synergy or the P7S Condensed Aero tankbusters by themselves if the other tank throws one thing of mit on them. Dark Mind is an insanely powerful defensive ability for only being on a 60 second cooldown.
Screw those healers, lol. Good riddance
PLD needs a special high damage shockwave of light sword slash type attack for the next expansion
so it can truly look the part of an LV100 FF Paladin aka Cecil
I personally think, whenever you're in Passage of Arms, Shield Bash should be usable and should have some really high damage multiplier (like how everything else does under Requiescat and Holy Spirit does under Requiescat and Divine Might) making it more or less damage neutral (don't want it to be a damage GAIN since that would have people using Passage as part of an "optimal rotation", so it should be ~ neutral), but basically where you have a button you can slam and get a big "smack the enemy in the face" animation.
Heck, the intro cinematic to Endwalker basically has the WoL PLD doing it! Just being able to do that during Passage would be amazing.
After that, I personally would combine FoF into Requiescat (remove the requirement to be in melee for Requiescat) since you always use them together now anyway, and just...removing Goring Blade splitting its damage across Swords anyway (which would have the added bonus of making missing a crit not hurt as much). Or make Shield Bash turn into it. I dunno, just something because it's kind of just...there...because vestigial, I guess. And no one really likes that much. And PLD is probably the most button bloated Tank, so combining those buttons (FoF/Requi, Shield Bash/Goring Blade) would probably be better for people's hotbars anyway.
@@SubduedRadical anything would beat Shield Bash to be honest but what you're proposing is actually a good idea
i would personally love an attack (with the properties i mentioned as its animation) that gets boosted if used right after passage of arms and the boost is that it has a % of damage increased by the number of players we shielded with Passage of Arms this would be a gorgeous thing and my favorite skill in the entire game if they add it to PLD
Really glad continuation's range was increased, but feels weird to not also grant that range boost to blasting zone. Though personally with that animation I feel like anything less than it being a 10 yalm line aoe isn't doing it justice. Though personally its biggest issue is how demanding the rotation is. Every tank has little things they can do to optimize burst windows for a bit of extra damage. Bringing in additional beast gauge, having a dark arts proc, divine might proc. Gunbreaker doesn't have any additional damage it can get, only damage it can lose. Fuck up your rotation at all, say goodbye to double down in raid buffs. Downtime in fights is a nightmare to deal with. Still hoping they make it so that it has no cartridge cost at some point.
I think they should just throw a cartridge generation on Sonic Break. That pretty much resolves the issue of not being able to Double Down in a reasonable time unless you actually came into No Mercy with 0 Cartridges and Bloodfest is on cooldown... which would kind of be your own fault at that point.
I disagree with your argument that GNB can only lose damage while other tanks can optimize, I would argue that any tank not optimizing is losing damage. If a Warrior is going into raid buffs with less gauge than they could have that's a damage loss, if a PLD doesn't have a Divine Might proc that's a damage loss. Not getting Double Down under raid buffs is bad, but so is not getting Primal Rend or Confiteor. The only real difference is Double Down has a resource cost.
DRK main since the beginning and still loving it ❤❤❤
Maybe a better point to end the Conclusion section on would be for which tanks are better for Main Tank roles in 8-24 man raids, and which are best set for Off-Tank roles.
That’s actually a point where I’d label Gunbreaker as the Ace Off-Tank with its ability to share buffs and Shields with the MT.
21:53 Double down actually is just a minutes cd just wanted to point that out, that aside great video as usual happy!
True, but maybe he meant "When you do it during your 2 min burst, it does truly massive damage"?
I was SO SURE my beloved DRK was going to feature as the last (or loser) considering how busy it is and the fact that it doesn't have much sustaining. It surely was a nice surprise.
Paladin is the tank class I favor, and my main class overall.
Love these videos tbh some of my favorite of your work
For me at least DRK has been feeling a lot stronger as of late despite the lack of patch changes themselves, even the things that should be considered cumbersome aren’t as bad as they were before
It's worth mentioning as a con for Warrior, it's not the greatest for progressing ultimate fights, both at race and midcore levels. Its mitigation is stellar for dealing with repeated small and medium hits, but if you get a sitation like TOP p6 where the tanks are taking a large number of extremely high damage hits, the other tanks are much better at dealing with those situations.
I love PLD. I'm glad you included fantasy as a pro, but I still need it to be more magic focused. I still think it's held back by being stuck to Gladiator. I feel like before 70, it's kind of dull in the magic department. I wouldn't mind it getting a stronger rework in 7.0.
But.. It's a Paladin. It literally needs to have the sword or else you're just a sorcerer
Might be coming back to the game this week. Can't wait to return to the Ugngabunga after not playing since Stormblood
5:16 I wish I could hear that back in e9n when both healers died at the very beginning and I had to heal solo for the whole try. >_>
I would still like the Dark Knight's "Darkness Clone" to be the same race as the player using it. Lala, Elezen, Roe, Bunny, etc...
As someone that doesnt play any of the hard content i just cannot play Dark Knight anymore, it sucks to run dungeons with that job so much
Same, i dont know why they completely reworked Drk like that. I loved Drk in Stormblood. I was an unstoppable wall and had tons of self heals since it wasn't on a rediculously long CD. Basically like playing a warrior.
And Drk has like 2 defensive abilities outside of the universal tank CDs. If it cant mitigate damage then that's not a tank imo. (Aka, why Drk is top pick in end game raids)
The superbolide bug has been fixed. Tho hallowed ground has to finish its animation to activate still
6:25 AND APPLIES IT TO THE PALADIN FINALLY WOOO
I wouldn't call the Paladin changes "a complete rework" it was just an edit to it's extended rotation really.
Kind of glad I'm not the only one who finds warrior boring. I love GNB overall and the paladin defensives (passage and veil mostly).
Mr. Happy, is your winning tank your favorite to play as well, or simply the tank you recommend the most for general audiences? If it is not your personal favorite, what is? I'm curious.
Im a tank main since a little bit before heavensward came out and i picked up paladin was really dissapointed till lvl 30 and then i picked up Warrior and was blowm away. Since then warrior is my favourite class. I get kinda bored sometimes but running through a dungeon and cleaving Everything is just fun!
The fact that people are comparing DPS between the tanks is a pretty telling metric that the tank class isn't being properly challenged in content for what it is supposed to be, a tank. In pretty much every other mmo the tanks are compared solely on survivability. FFXIV is the first one where I never hear anyone talking about that and only talk DPS.
God I love 3 warriors and a gunbreaker
Confiteor is pronounced Con-feet-ee-or.
Like combining Con, Feet, and -eor like in Meteor. It means confession in Latin.
Confettacheese
@@Vayne122 lol, good one
Its confetti
@@milten76 Ta dah!
It doesn't really matter using Infuriate in Inner Release window now. Inner Chaos doesn't consume Inner Release stacks anyway.
I love gunbreaker, maybe i'll try drk for sometime, but seems more busier than gnb having to keep tracking of 2 resources
Great video! Anyone know what the Paladin weapon is?
War: UNGA, BUNGA, CUREUNGA!
Use the auto translate function. It is funny. Fruit fruit cure... 🤣
Honestly, as much as ye try to make it sound close.... It's not REALLY that close.
Not for casual or dungeon content. Warriors in Endwalker aren't 'Strong' they're batshit broken.
Seems like I am the only one who think WAR is difficult (WAR 80, PLD 90, DRK 90, didn't play GNB)
To me, PLD and DRK is quite straightforward, press defensive to be more tanky, and when some special skills than 1-2-3 combo is ready, it is just pop orange.
WAR, on the other hand, is hard to optimized Beast Gauge (I overcapped Beast Gauge as a WAR a lot more times than I overcapped Blood Gauge as a DRK, and PLD's Oath Gauge is for defensive skills)
WAR is also time sensitive CD usage because it is more focusing on self-heal than reducing damage. I most of the time used it at the wrong timing ended up with overheal myself and had no CD left for the next mechanic. Or I use shake-it off without any buff on myself and getting its minimum effects.
I myself don't care about DPS that hard for tanks - while with healers I absolutely DPS acting more as life support than healthcare I can't count how often my group lost both healers at boss being like 10% and paladin saving the day.
Not going to lie, it has both comfy gameplay and a decent oh-shit-button on option to panic heal for at least some time.
26:40 The patented MrHappy Ping™ at work 😅
Whats the paladin glam?
WAR is so strong now with just a fell cleave buff
I always see WAR is around 11/12 with DRK and out DPS GNB by just 1% and leave PLD behind.
WAR still does a good amount less DPS than GNB. Look at aDPS not rDPS. No tanks have a raid buff, sonall rDPS does is take off the dmg you do under other people'a buffs (which jobs like drl and gnb do quite well)
2:29 Super excited for a "full rework" coming up in next expansion. Just feels "unfinished" not complaining but just can't wait for the full rework! lol kind of weird when you are leaving out 2 attonements every 1 minute cycle then having conf. stacks not being used on the holy spells but /shrug, hopefully the come up with a more "compelling" rotation for full rework.
You don't need to do that. Just keeping your rotation running normally, and interrupting it every minute for your burst GCDs, is considered on par or better than all of the "optimizations" that drop Atonements or hardcast Holy Spirits.
Really looking at the party healing and buffs all the Tanks can drop, what exactly makes Paladin unique? I've always figured PLD was the only tank capable of supporting allies and THAT was why it did less damage than other tanks, but going through this ALL the tanks can do the stuff PLD does and some simply much better, so wtf is even the point? Now it just feels like I'm just tooting my own horn with the holy warrior aesthetic.
I love dark knight, it's my go-to tank but my only two real complaints are it's lack of sustain which is a general one, and the fact that they switched salted Earth to place on self instead of ground target. I had it Mack road to my target so it's centered it on whatever I was fighting. Now during large pulls I have to place it at my feet and then step back to maximize the amount of mobs that are in it
I used to be sad about the sustain, until organizing party mits. DRK has a LOT of mits.
Essentially a DRK can easily hit 50%-60% Mit + TBN for a buster every minute. IIRC other tanks only get up to 30-40% with including the short CD.
So DRK has great damage, amazing Mit, and a pretty good shield. But they have bad healing and no Max HP boosting.
If DRKs could also heal up on top of that it'd be a bit too much.
I do wish that you could toggle how Salted Earth worked. For me, I like how its one less button to hit in the opener.
Paladin needs to bed the most aoen and personal defensive tank, dark knight need all the Regen abilities war has and do the most damage with warrior, being the self heal vampire tank, warrior needs to be the highest dose tank with a lot of battle control and loose it's absurd self healing, focusing on mitigation, gunbreaker need to be the most versatile tank who can cover an aspect of all 3 roles better than the other tanks.
I say this as a 10 year ultimate raider Omni tank that's played every expansion tank
It's a shame because thematically I never was a fan of the Barbarian style tank but I LOVE the gameplay style of a self heal tank in other games. If I didn't dislike the dumb "HULK SMASH" theme, I would go Warrior 10 out of 10 times.
Awesome video and lots of good points across the board! Warrior is incredibly boring for me though, sorry to say. To each their own of course
LESSSSGOOOOO
As someone who hasn't Pladin leveled up past lv60, this video makes it sound like PLD has been lobotomized in 6.3 lol
I feel like tanks are the more refined classes out of all of the jabs tbh
TLDR: Just play what you like.
Now if they could just fix GNB, I'll be a happy Tank main.
Paladin feels underpowered for the way the other classes can freely reup their damage buff at will. Also the cast time for paladin should have been completely eliminated in the rework
6:00 why? Explain why please....
Really hard to use outsider of organized groups. You take the damage the covered would take, not mitigated at all by a tank's innate defensiveness, or any mits you activate. Can get you killed.
Furthermore, the range is tiny. You basically have to be right next to them the entire time.
And lastly, Intervention exists, which fulfills a similar purpose, but is a thousand times easier to use.
Still don't understand why they don't change Dark Mind to something more useful defensively.
Its very useful in raids, thats why
WAR seems to be top pick for most casual and to mid end content, and even in high end where Holmgang cd can be exploited to full effectiveness. Otherwise right now considering only high end gameplay, DRK seems to be the top pick by far. Even during DSR and now with TOP, DRK has the highest clear rates and the most picked job in any comp (and I mean the most picked job and not just most picked tank). While both WAR and DRK do benefit from downtime optimization and during reopeners, it's lowkey hilarious to see DRK outdamaging most dps during their burst (except for NIN and SAM probably).
1:24
The fact warrior is the lifesteal tank and not dark knight is the stupidest thing ever. Warrior has never been a lifesteal job in any FF. It's always had super high base HP and defense, which i feel high mit and sheilds would better suit it (which it does have.) but Drk's entire shtick in other FF games is to burn hp to hit harder then steal it back. They can't really make it a tank if it burns its hp but they could definitely keep the lifesteal aspect. But nope. Warrior has decent mitigation, multiple shields, and lifesteal to an almost ludicrous degree. while dark knight is left with a pretty decent shield (that i feel has gotten outclassed by the other tanks short cooldown tank skills) and magic specific mit. Yes they have the highest damage, but so what. They can firmly give that title to gunbreaker if it means i can actually feel like I'm playing a dark knight and not just a guy with a big sword.
Yea, im hoping they give us our lifesteal on Dark Knight soon...
I think I'd like GNB a little more if it didn't have no mercy and sonic break, they're not all that interesting to use and railroad you into a clunky window. They could free up the space for an aoe gnashing combo so it doesn't just sit there in dungeon pulls.
Has Gunbreaker more DPS then WAR ?
I could care less about the dps, I've been playing paladin back in beta phase 2 and it's the only main tank job I use. I have always loved paladin back in d&d, only problem with ff14 with paladin I don't feel like a wall of defense with all this dps meta junk.
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agree that WAR deserves the win. Other tanks have some issue here or there that is rather noticeable such as the GNB's no mercy not really being well optimised for fitting all of its burst window actions or DRK's defensive kit being strangely magic-biased, having a heal-check-tax on its invuln, TBN having a shield-break-check, etc, PLD had clunky aspects of kit like divine veil (albeit fixed in 6.3) or straight up useless stuff like Cover.
The way WAR is designed now is fairly all-around solid and the only possible big flaw it may have is being under-tuned in damage for certain patches, which is easily fixed in a potency buff. it is the least clunky tank, and that can really go a long way to making a job enjoyable to play. WAR even has QoL fixes like infuriate no longer messing up inner release stacks, meanwhile 6.3 PLD still has stuff like atonement breaking your GCD combo
The magic part is only a thing in dungeons where you take mostly physical, almost every raid buster is magical and half the autos are magical as well. LD now also heals you for your full hp without outside health by tying a heal of over 1000 potency to each gcd you press while in walking dead.
also no mercy perfectly fits all of gnb's burst, you would have to drift things out yourself in order to ruin that
paladin-4 -life nuff said .
Overall, to me Paladin 6.3 rework was a blessing. I was afraid, what it might be like, but now it's easier to maintain, and the even minute burst is easier to hit within party buffs than before (since PLD didn't have an actual burst previously). Still, it isn't dealing highest DPS out of all tanks, but in my book, with the easier to handle burst, it did receive a boost. But I disagree that PLD does the lowest DPS out of all tanks. I've seen that WAR does a little less than PLD. And yeah, its invuln is still with the longest cooldown, but it has no other drawbacks whatsoever. And overall, I think PLD's are now used more because of the rework. They were pretty scarce before.
Here's my order for the best invulns: 1. Hallowed Ground (PLD), 2. Superbolide (GNB), 3. Living Dead (DRK), 4. Holmgang (WAR).
Why Holmgang last? Well, it's effect, I think, is the worst. Holmgang only makes sure WAR's HP doesn't fall below 1 point as long as it's effect lasts.
Living dead on 3rd place is imo, justified. Now that it has a self-healing added into it, it is better than Holmgang, but it can still cause KO if used wrong.
Superbolide is 2nd best. While it reduces GNB's HP to 1 when activated, it provides the same invuln like PLD's Hallowed Ground: GNB doesn't take any damage while it is active. It is then up to healers to handle the rest.
And I already told, why Hallowed Ground is the best.
holmgang's drawback isn't really a drawback what with Warrior's crazy self-healing. On top of that, having a short cooldown means you can use it more often and in a limited length fight, that can make or break some strats. For example: In an 8 min fight, more often than not, PLD's not going to be able to use their invuln twice. It was the case back in e12s where PLD would always have to be the 2nd invuln tank for the buster just because of the CD length while GNB just barely didn't make the cut and WAR and DRK could use their invuln twice. In fact, they could both invuln the 1st TB then WAR would invuln the next and DRK last. You really shouldn't underestimate the CD length and how much it affects the skill's usability.
Heck, there's been jokes about Hallowed's CD since back in the day. (and the CD on hallowed's still not back up XD)
Gunbreaker is the best babysitter tank for PF the amount of runs I've save from throwing HoC and my other target able heal defence on almost dead raisers to save the runs
I think DRK unfortunately has to be declared the winner with current tanks, even though I don't really like it's design. It's the top dog in high tier play because it's just the minmaxer's dream. Right now in the 92 clears of TOP on FFlogs only 6 groups don't have a DRK. The first clear to not have a DRK was after 25 teams had already cleared.
When it comes to offense it's just too much better than other tanks at exploiting burst windows and dealing with downtime (because of continuous mp regen) that it naturally pulls further ahead in Ultimates full of those things, and it already had a lead on the other tanks in Savages. It can put way too much of its damage pretty much wherever it wants to in its rotation since so much is oGCDs.
Defensively DRK is also the best tank unless you manage to find a fight with no magic damage. Dark Mind being on 60s is absolutely huge, and the way that shields become better with more %mit while other %mit stacks worse can actually be relevant with high enough incoming damage. Oblation is up for basically all the damage you want it to be if you use it right. Living Dead is on a 5 min cooldown but since the changes is probably stronger on a per use basis than Superbolide.
Really the only even kind of weakness that DRK has is a lack of sustain, which quite honestly isn't a big deal when healers have so many oGCDs and your co-tank can probably give you something. Other than that the worst you can say is how it isn't literally the best at some niches that other tanks still have, like how it only has the second shortest Invuln or is not quite as good at handling high damage to both tanks as Warrior and PLD.
It's my least favorite tank to play right now with the least inspired feeling design, but if you don't already have a DRK in your group you probably go DRK if you want to make the optimal choice.
Everytime you said AoE damage I hear "A wee damage" 🤣
Warrior , dark warrior, gunbreaker and holy gunbreaker
Warrior is too strong to be so easy and boring really needs a nerd
I agree with it being all about preference, I just wish they would stop taking tank responsibilites away from us. Its to the point where we dont feel like tanks anymore, no boss movement, aggro manages itself, the bosses fucking 360 spin no matter what we do, we can invuln damn near every scary buster/mech in the raid, autos are starting to not be scary anymore, basically we're just melee dps without positionals right now.
To be fair: Melee DPS are basically Melee DPS without positionals right now. :) Between hitboxes the size of Jupiter, auto-centering bosses, True North and related skills, Potency loss of missing positionals being pretty minimal, and at least a third of the expansion's bosses being wall bosses with omni-directional hit boxes (such that positionals are considered met no matter where you are), Meleewalker Melee DPSers have a lot less concern over positionals as well.
In some cases, it's not that bad, but in some - MNK in particular, which really used to feel like they mattered - it's changed the feel of the Job quite a bit.
@@SubduedRadical Yeah, I honestly feel that if they dont scale back on the teleporting to center and massive hitboxes that they should honestly just remove positionals from the game since for the most part they really dont matter much like you said.
This is like those monthly "vote for your favorite FF character polls" on reddit where you know Tifa is going to win before the poll even starts, yet you still despise it...
And WAR isnt even the best tank rn DRK is, maybe you could argue GNB. WAR is only best at casual content, but in casual content the job you play doesnt matter at all so.
Bring back DRK from heavensward and I would never play any other class. Also replace the shitty salted earth with something actually useful, like the old Dark Passenger, Power Slash or the old delirium, something nice, salted earth has got to be the most garbage skill in the game. And replace the useless unmend trait, who the fuck thought that was a nice trait to have?
Talk about telling me you're just not into DRK without telling me you're not just into DRK. I mean, the *ONE* job that *ALL* of the first 20 teams to clear Omega Ultimate (including yours, obviously) had in common was DRK. While theoretically GNB has a higher DPS, in most fights and comps DRK outperforms it because of the 2 minute meta (going by fflogs here). You've given a "win" to each of the other three jobs before... but DRK doesn't get it even in an expansion when its *this* dominant? And it doesn't even come second on your list for its DPS, even though it's arguably the top DPS tank as well? I mean everyone's allowed to have their preference, and we can all agree to disagree, but... if you analyze jobs based on their performance, say all the jobs are viable, and then not give the "win" to the job that has by far the best performance, you're basically saying "yeah, this job will never be the best tank in my book unless none of the others are viable."
Well yeah but you're only looking at numbers and the top 500 or so players. Why do you think easy to play and job fantasy are a plus to the jobs? Cause of fun and accessibility for people who might not do the absolute hardest content in the game and play every job perfectly.
I find it kinda silly that to this day no streamer has ever gotten the pronunciation of Expacion correct.
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DRK is so boring for me now. Its really unfortunate. I've played the class since Heavensward and found myself enjoying it less and less with every expansion. The high APM opener is great, but after that the job literally falls flat. It feels like im playing at level 50 with barely any abilities. LS is nothing more than a glorified DOT, Dark Arts is a pathetic mockery of what it once was, shadowbringer looking/feeling extremely underwhelming and looking nearly identical to Flood, and the gauge is the most uninspired mechanic ever... There was so much potential to make the class unique and different but it just feels generic and bland. It definitely looks like a Dark Knight but doesnt feel like one.
Maybe its me, but i feel as time went on most jobs lost their identity to the devs trying to keep the game as balanced as possible. Its a big reason why I believe people loved the PVP changes so much. It was such a stark contrast in uniqueness between jobs (every job does its role and plays differently) and how class identity for each class returned.
Obligatory "Why vs when they homogenized all the tanks" comment here