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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- This all applies to the shota and furry versions of that stuff as well
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The only correct take is that they're fictional characters that should not be treated like real people.
Hilariously idiotic, that they worry more about the depiction of fictional entities then they do concern the well being of real people, isn't it.
Literally got into a flame war type crap yesterday on that last video with someone that tried to claim drawings of minors in nsfw situations is somehow legally the same as real world CP. We can all agree that real world CP is abhorrent, and that the drawings are pretty fucked up. But one is actually violating a living breathing child, another is literally just lines and colors. I'd be more concerned with the real world stuff, frankly.
Didn't just a turtle say this too?
Yes.
@@Loowis007Yeah, that flame war was on MY comment.
In other words, there's a difference between "this is weird/gross and I don't like it," and "this is literal abuse, and anyone who disagrees with me is a literal abuser." The former is valid, the latter is not.
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I am not a big fan of lolis but I don't mind them either like Rukia or the pink haired girl from squad 11 from bleach.
I say people should lay off if it's not hurting anyone.
But we are talking about Twitter fools here, lol.
Very based.
Sounds like they wanted the "real thing".
My stance on lolis is similar to Souta Takanashi from Working!
If its small and cute, it gets a pass.
"Lolis are cute but so are kittens."
Not a big fan of water fleas though.
How come people always bashed on lolis but never on shotas? The disparity smh
Good question
well because mainly people hate loli because its the female that get fanfictionize whule shota are males kekw
Most people don't know the difference and just think loli is a general term
People don't worry too much about consent or age for males for some reason.
Double standards. They are the same people sexualizing male characters.
You don't have to support loli content.
You don't have to consume loli content.
You don't even have to like loli content. That is your right.
But in terms of artistic freedom: no one should have the right to censor or ban it, because at the end of the day, these are fictional characters.
And these same people aren't as fired up at the real life children doing questionable sht on certain popular apps where a good chunk of their likes and follows come from real life predators. Are they going to say furries are animal abusers now? It's weird as sht but there's no correlation.
@@TheMetalValkyrie animations have nothing to do with pedophilia so yeah
@@TheMetalValkyrie Loli has nothing to do with children or peodphilia.
@@TheMetalValkyrie dod you have evidence its named after that word or just a similar word?
@@TheMetalValkyrie you can be against it, but banning it only harms more children. if your goal is to protect children there are better ways to protect them then banning anything. LITTERALLY ANYTHING. blackmarkets don't work no matter what that market is. it only create a more dangerous market that no longer needs to care about the welfare and wellbeing of anyone involved, and in some cases is actually forced or encouraged to use violence and force to get their way. we see this with drugs, and if you know anything about "content" it's the same there too. I'm against "content" but i'm also for the protection of children so i have to weight the worth of banning it and the effect is has on children. my research and knowledge suggests that banning "content" has no effect on the wellbeing and safety of children, rather, it seems like it only encourages the despicables to go after more children. so, i can't support banning it without further research proving or disproving either side of that argument.
It’s strange when an anime character is attractive like busty or hourglass figure it’s “unrealistic” or “no one looks like that” but if it’s one of a petite body or flat it’s “exactly like a child” or “a minor”.
Can't win with these Freaks.
@espurrseyes42 you can win but only if you make the women masculine
You also have the weird takes like people calling Uzaki a loli, despite having huge boobs and being in college.
@@starburst98i mean
she's petite
@@espurrseyes42pretty much what I've been saying. Don't bother catering to Twitter freaks
"Stop talking about Uzaki-chan" meanwhile she's an adult character and they end up being an actual predator. The irony
Uzaki wins
What?
Both the main characters are in uni?
Rule of thumb : ppl who accused other who watch anime as pedo is actually the real pedo.
This happened many times already.
This is part of our reality.
Exactly
Yup.
again and again
I'm not surprised
You know what is bothering me right now? The freaking apostrophe in lolis.
me too
Hero Hei really needs to clarify his stance on grocer's apostrophes.
@@first__last I hate them. I am going to go make an angry post on Twitter about how evil Hero Hei is for using them.
The duck is apostrophe like seriously what is that
It doe's look 'strange when people u'se apo'strophe's like that.
This is pretty much the argument most lolicons seem to make. It you find it repugnant than that's totally normal. Just leave them alone cause in the end they're not harming anyone and ultimately you have nothing to gain.
Unlike lgtv who literally needs to turn every fuckig thing gay
Agree. If you don't like loli content, then it is fine. We aren't going to force you to. But if people start calling us "pedo" then that's where the problem comes. They watered down the true meaning of pedophile and also implied we can't differentiate, which is fiction and reality, smh.
I find SCAT repugnant but I'm not going around porn sites trying to censor it is the issue. If there was a massive movement to ban it off Pixiv or make it illegal I would be against that too.
@@samaelhyoudou1788yeah, whatever they do is more harmful than being into loli and shota stuff. Idk why but i feel like they're more degenerate than loli/shotacon
that's not the only thing.. laws that were to forbid this kind of content are protection based, it's about considering how a certain thing may endager, expose minors in sexuality/pedophilia and so on.
But here´s the thing, there is no evidence of whatsoever that loli content may influence a person that its not a pedophile to become one, or trigger a person that already is a pedophile to act in a criminal and malicious act.
There is far worse stuff than loli you could find in doujinshi or rule34 that hold true torture, cruelty, cannibalism, and other stuff that people fap to.. and there is not a single register of a crimminal that commited disgusting crimes of the sort that later was found out to see this type of content to relate to, if anything those crimes life in real are nonexistent.
As one shark said, "what, scared of a 4 letter word?"
I love that 4 letter word, it's so cute and funny
Based shork
Yes, I am scared of Gura, have you seen her teeth? Even with no bottom teeth she still has some sharp top ones :(
Evil is a four letter word
Yes it scares me
Bottom line is basically "to each, their own".
Like what you like, but don't try to force anyone else to like it too. As long as it's about fictional characters, no one should be getting that passionate about it.
When I see Nami in a bikini though only a drawing my primal brain reacts because it sees a representation of what I like irl.
Loli enjoyers are attracted to sexual drawings of children. Being attracted to children makes you a pedo.
That fiction represents what you want irl, logically.
@@gavinr4214 then that'd be like saying people attracted to cat girls want to do a cat IRL... or wanting to do a zombie is like wanting to do necrophilia....
and then there's the stuff like tentacles and aliens and such. it'd be like saying someone enjoying a plant monster "image" wants to be screwed by flowers or ivy
it doesn't work like that. That kind of logic is where someone reads into things too much and that's where the assumptions start.
@@DarkFrozenDepths Yes.
@gavinr4214 Thing is, I don't think Nami looks like a real person. I don't think any character in anime look like real people. A human brain can distinguish the difference, even if they're intentionally designed to activate certain parts of the brain.
@@smileybones9172 "I masturbate to drawings of children but I swear I don't like them irl" it's just not a convincing argument, I don't believe you.
"YoU hAvE tO lIkE lOlIcOn"
No, I don't. My obligation is to fight censorship.
Same I don’t like lolicon but I understand fiction and reality are not the same thing, it’s super weird that people treat fictional characters as if they’re real.
Exactly this
And that's totally fine. You or anyone else don't really have to like loli/shota. I understand that not everyone is into that stuff. The only insane part is some people , especially on Twitter, will treat fictional characters as they were real people
@@riotkitty exactly it pisses me off when they say i like loli crap its the first thing anyone says when talking about this if you dont agree you must like it. like no i understand its weird but its drawings on paper what are we going to do arrest them for harming no one and being a little creepy? theres actual predators in reality gRaping REAL KIDS. thats what i care about not freaking drawings.
@@GigaLuigi124 dont know maybe you should ask the president of the US. dude was caught on tape sniffing womens hair and perving on his daughter and other children.
People I have issue with with this subject are the people who can't distinguish from fiction and reality it doesn't matter if people find it weird is a fetish just like furries are and nobody likes furries. But we acknowledge it's a disgusting weird fetish but no one's calling those people zoophiles
Ironically, they praise that in Baldur's Gate you can have sex with a bear, so...go figure
@@Tu-Li-Oh Aka Safe H
at least from what I have seen, people are actually calling them zoophiles, but probably not that much anymore
There are many, _many_ more zoophiles among furries than PDF Files among lolicons.
I was a furry from the art side of things, and looked at the slow overtaking firsthand. And that is because furries feel forced to accept literally and absolutely anyone, and the most disgusting of deviants know it and take advantage of it.
Furries are more spineless than invertebrates. They really need to gatekeep, because at this point, calling them "zoophiles" (and PDF Files, child groomers, etc.) is hardly an hyperbole.
And it's not even a matter of relative size. The furry fandom is un-fucking-believably gigantic, you have communities within communities within communities, and still, there are so many that are polluted with the worst of the worst of literal, real-life criminals.
At this point, I have zero hope. I'm not a furry anymore, and all the reasonable dudes and many talented artists left a long time ago (the furry fandom, specifically, many are still active). With time, it's only going to be garbage.
And that will happen to any fandom/community that does not put HARD boundaries on what they allow and what they DESPISE.
tbh furries are more accepted nowadays. At least I don't see much hate towards them.
Imagine people fighting for animated pixels moving...
akshually they're not moving, it's entirely new pixels lighting up 🤓
Well look At the Commentary Community they're basically doing that right now
You'll get a pedo for this comment regardless.
The way you say it doesn't sound so right. Because imagine if it was an actual child, then it would still be moving pixels but it wouldn't be okay.
@@-originalLemon-Thing is it’s not, you and other people are fabricating nonsense.
There's also an argument to be made about the issue of moving the goalpost. You ban Loli content, but now you've given the censors more power to do as they please. It will never stop at Loli content. They'll keep moving that goal post until all our entertainment is soulless, sanitized trash.
So personally, I'd rather we stop moving that goal post and leave the Loli content be.
Loli is the first line of defense it seems
@@maadv7237 "Tsk tsk. Making little girls defend you on the frontlines. Have you no shame as an adult?" lmao.
@@PuchimonExtremeI'll fukin do it again
@@maadv7237 I wouldn't say it's the first, but it's one of the most targeted topics within the anime/manga sphere.
It's more accurately one of many goal posts people keep trying to move.
Stop masturbating over drawings of children it shows you're want and intent.
You're not safe to be around any children and should be put on a list.
Shota and Lolly and Furries are just the same as Western Art like Disney/Western animated characters and Cupid Angels from Renaissance Art and Gumnut Babies from Australia.
If people attack Japan for fictional characters, they are also attacking other Art from other cultures.
It's ok if you feel creeped out, but to say it's criminal only opens up to other fictional things being attacked.
For future reference, the chubby baby angels are called “Cherubs”.
Furry is a western thing.
Exactly! I hear nobody giving a shit about furries drawing dog d!ck in furry p*rn and there’s *way* more of those than loli stuff
@@UltimateThanos I think in the US we calle them that, but they're actually "putto"/"putti" and are more related to cupid. Biblically-accurate cherubs don't even remotely look like this lmao.
Antis only argument is fiction affects reality. This is like that video games causes violence myth all over again.
Counter, if Fictional affects reality where are the real Fat mans? Etc
also a newer one, Why focus on the negative ones only? Fiction can affect reality for good.
I see Anti are more emotional so yea.
It's more of an ambiguous observation that has no meaning if we don't look into any specific examples and then study correlations and causations. How a work can influence someone depends on their frame of reference, level of education, social environment, parenting, mental state and age, personality, etc. Seeing a cola commercial can make someone think about getting a cola if they're open to the suggestion in the first place and know drinking such isn't that bad of a thing, for example. Meanwhile a show might bring up a topic one has never thought about and now being exposed to the topic will make them compare it to their frame of reference and possibly approach it more openly, with curiosity, or just entirely dismiss it because they don't care. Seeing a person do a bad thing in a show won't make one consider doing such because the viewer knows it is wrong, unless there's issues with their frame of reference, mental health, they're young or oddly fixated on the topic or in some state of distress. So the responsibility falls upon the viewer, their upbringing and environment. And this is all assuming the viewer cares in any sort of manner in the first place.
So what does it mean to say "fiction affects reality" as an argument? Nothing, its meaning varies far too much to mean anything on its own.
There is a certain period of child development where kids are more prone to mimicking behaviors they observe(See Bobo Doll Experiment, Observational/social learning)During this time kids should not be exposed to violent video games or other violent/sexual media as to prevent them from internalizing the behaviors portrayed in the media and copying it. Ideally, a decent parent wouldn't be exposing their kid to that kind of stuff in the first place just out of common sense, but I guess some people need a specific and proven reason not to do things.
@@sourdrop Well yeah, 3 to 6 year olds probably shouldn't be exposed to such. And even then good parenting helps a lot too, helping one differentiate fact from fiction better.
meanwhile they when watching drama or movie lol
I’m fine with cutesy wholesome loli content, nsfw is a little weird to me though, but still they are nowhere NEAR comparable to real life. Plus I’ve seen way more anti loli people ending up being actual p*dos than loli enjoyers themselves.
No one is or should be obligated to defend anything. No one has time for that so pick your battles and don’t try to make others do it for you
I'm glad to talk to lolis with the Hei Hero expert.
there's nothing wrong with loli's/shota's since there just character/body type's, if their short teens/tweens i see nothing wrong about lewding them but when we're talking little kids/pre-teens its a different story,this is just my oppinion about this but this is how i feel about it and i cant help but feel that people who go after little kids be they real or anime are just pedo's and should be judged for that.
@@patrickpol6156bruh gave out his whole life story over a joke
@@patrickpol6156tweens? 🤨📸
@@patrickpol6156 "this is just my opinion" and "you should be judged for that" don't really go well with each other.
@@theblasblas yeah in hindsite it dont realy work so well but this is just how i feel about it, i just cant think of any other way to word it. I think pedo's should be judged but liking loli's/shota's if their actually teen/tween aged characters should be fine in my oppinion since their fictional characters anyway but to lewd little kid characters just seems wrong to me somehow. I hope that explains my stand point a bit better but im not changing my original quote on this.
To be honest, as someione who is a lolicon, I agree there is weirdness to it when NSFWing characters like Anya, or things like Shoujo Ramune, however I do wanna let people know, weird =/= bad. If im not hurting anyone liking these characters then why should I waste my time worrying about my moral compass? But anyway, you really don't need to say much more on lolis anymore at this point cuz I understand where you come from. It's not everyone's cup of tea and I respect that not everyone will like loli characters or lolicon material. Thats's fine. I get more of a "I don't like this, but I won't be choosing sides" kind of vibe in this video which I think is better to be neutral than to be a person imposing their morals onto others just cuz they expect others to have the same morals.. But if it makes anyone feel any better, I like Yor too and other normal/regular waifus like Yor so, take that as you will lol.
this guy gets it. especially on the last part lmao
I am into lolicon too, and I still like Raiden Ei, Hinata Hyuuga, and Ayaka Kamisato
Grow up and talk to real women
I'm into shotacon and lolicon here too
I get what you mean.
I like Killua zoldyck,Omori,ciel phantomhive,Regu,Conan,Damian,Ext
For Loli Emma,Hat Kid,Dororo,Luz ext
@@Starling_Mi Only time im into shota is when the character looks girly enough. Seem with Traps. Astolfo being my favorite trap and Hacka Doll 3 being my favorite Shota so far.
Nobody should feel obligated to defend a certain kind of kink. People are allowed to think this kind of art is weird, and there's nothing bad about thinking it's weird. Because it is. Same as furry being weird, monsterfucking being weird, bdsm being weird, and all those kinks people have. The important part is to recognize the difference between fiction and reality, and to make sure nobody comes to harm. The freedom for people to be able to create and view fictional content of any kind, without being criminalized - that is worth defending, in my opinion. That doesn't mean you support it, it doesn't mean you like it, it just means nobody should be punished for liking a certain type of fictional content, as long as they don't act it out in real life. Not wanting to see it and not wanting to make a video about it is also completely valid, and we should all strive to make sure that problematic content is marked in a way that people who aren't actively looking for it don't see it.
The problem I have with the whole twitter-police mentality, is that they're paving a road to where fictional art (weird art, yes, but still fictional and art), becomes censored. And although I think a lot of the kinks people draw are weird, I will still defend the freedom for people to create and enjoy fictional art in those areas.
^ This is so true and we all know they can't handle the truth
Yes. I hate obesity/fat art and loathe furries, but can you imagine pushing for censorship and the illegalization of not just real life, but art against it? Where there is no victim and no crime? Its damn thought policing at that point
And what if this kind of weird material is proven to spread harm in the real world? Because it is very believable that it would and does spread harm. It's no surprise when someone doing harmful and disgusting things to other people and animals are found out to have enjoyed this kind of content that supposedly is just fictional and has no impact on the real world.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 Well just ask yourself this. If sexual content is dangerous, than so is the depiction of any crime. Larceny, Theft, Burglary, murder let alone war crimes like Genocide, PoW slaughter and other shite. The human desire fir conquest and control is almost as central as their sexual desires and it shows in the violence and territorial expansionist history we've lived in
This isn't the first time we've seen pearl clutchers like what you're being right now. It was first against violence in media, and trust me that a lot of the pearl clutchees found their arguments crushed through studies about the human ability to dissociate fiction with reality. You should search about Jack Thompson sometime. And as I said before, the reason why violence is being equated with sexual stuff is because the reward mechanism for humans is the same for both. If your brain is awash with dopamine, its going to reinforce behavior or tendencies to want or do more.
Supposing that fiction does affect reality, well say bye bye to anything that remotely looks provocative, erotic or emotionally distressing. Censorship of media would lead us into a new dark age where fine art creativity is punished for the promotion of problematic behaviors in society. Following the principle of the slippery slope, we would eventually lose interesting and thought provoking media in general; any existing being subjected to a slew of censorship. Sounds ducking miserable
@@moonum4567 Despite it seeming so, comparing illegal sexual desires to other crimes is not an equal comparison. When you play GTA, do you revel in murdering people in that game? Do you have some kind of irl bloodlust or desire that you are trying to fulfill by playing the game? If your answer is "no", you are like most other people in the world. The key point here to note is that you don't have any irl desires or fantasies that you are enacting and satisfying with the game you are playing- you are simply having a fun time.
When you look at porn on the other hand, you aren't doing so because you have fun looking at it. You don't want a porn video just to watch it. You, among with most other people in the world, have a desire and an attraction to the porn you are watching. I hope you understand now how playing a video game is different to watching porn. Yes, playing a violent video game can give you dopamine, but 99% of people who play them probably don't want to do what they are doing irl. Could you say the same about someone being attracted to something irl based off of the type of porn they consume?
I'm not arguing for the banning of video games or sexual content, only one specific type of sexual content. I don't see why this is such a big deal since we already have a similar ban to similar things in the real world. Did that ban stop us from filming videos or being creative? Clearly not. Your slippery slope idea doesn't seem to be true, seems unlikely, and is more convoluted than the slippery slope I hinted towards.
Totally fair. So long as you don't attack lolisho nsfw or call the people who enjoy it pdfs (not that I'm saying you do) I think you're being very reasonable.
At the end of the day it's all fiction, and whether you like it or not is up to you. Personally I just adopt a "live and let live" approach with even the strangest fiction material.
No victim no crime. That is how people should approach fiction. It is not real.
Be aware that it's possible NSFW loli content involving characters with the mental capacity of minors, whom are portrayed as minors, may act as a normalizer for ped-philia. In other words, people may become more insensitive or tolerant toward ped-philia.
(All-in-all, still no one being harmed, but it's good to understand the risks involved liking extreme content like this)
@@_Sonato Pedoph1l1a generates more hatred and fear in people than murder (so much it is difficult to even describe), yet you think a mere cartoon would have a impact on the way society sees the most despised crime? Lolicon is a niche, and is extremely likely to remain as such. Even if it could change people's behavior, it would still be statistically insignificant, as almost everyone think it is disgusting (therefore, not watching) and it being legal (it already is in most countries, since it is victimless) will not change that. To claim fiction "normalizes" crimes is to to say adults are not capable to distinguish fiction and reality, which is ridiculous. You could use the very same argument to every violence or misdeed in entertainment, it is just a fallacy designed to support arbitrary censorship.
Besides, "extreme content"? Some may be, but most "lolicon" stuff the pixel activists are trying to ban and punish don't even have sex, fetishes or nudity, just swimsuit or some sh1t (of fictional characters, not people, I must remind). Then they start to stretch and project every kind of weird fantasy into it. The part that really deserves to be deemed extreme is but a tiny fraction.
@@MatNaito I don't know why you're blowing what I said so way out of proportion. Yes, I'm saying that lolicons have a risk of developing insensitivity towards that content. But I'm not saying that makes them pedos themselves.
If you review my comment again, I was talking about the very specific situation that involves sexualizing characters that are depicted specifically to represent minors.
If you knew how deep the rabbit hole goes for loli content you would understand what I mean.
Think about it like drugs. There's a reason why there's a terminology for "gateway drugs" one thing leads to another.
Loli content has varying levels of depravity, just like any dark interest, and the more people dive into it the deeper and more depraved people get. It is very hard to imagine people with that interest wouldn't become insensitive toward that content if they are deeply invested in it.
@@_Sonato while what you said its a possibility, there is also another possibility.. when we look at pornography studies we see that the results tend to decrease sexual attacks, because of their acts of relief.. that raises the possibility of real pedophile possible aggressors and crimminals to settle down by consuming this content as relief.
I would argue that at the very least there is far FAR worse stuff as fictional manga stuff people fap to, yet i doubt we see crimes that reflect a people being influenced by fapping to that stuff going on..i am yet to see news on tv about how someone kidnapped, commited torture, cannibalism all for the sake of sexuality, and was found out later having rule34 of that stuff in his browser history.
@@_Sonato That's just a gentler rephrasing of video games promote violence. No. Sane people are capable of going into content with the awareness that it's fiction and nobody is being hurt, while still feeling empathy for real people.
I agree with everything you said. Some people seriously need to get a live and stop demanding people to do something they don’t want. People who demand others to do something are the same type of peopl that have the “with us or against us” mentality and they should be avoided at all cost.
bro, it is just a drawing. Miura himself was a massive lolicon. there are also plenty of cases of freaks dammning lolicons but being caught with actual CP.
That’s what was said in the video.
I love how he isn't defending everything everyone brings to him, because there's still a certain extent of what you can defend. Plus his job isn't defending people's likes and opinions, it's calling out people for being weirdos in Twitter
Even Mr beasts Friend Chris was a fan of lolicon
@@blaizegottman4139you're not helping the lolicons' case
@@owlblocksdavid4955true, because chris would be an double edged stalemate sword where the antis may have a point because of him actually being pals with shadman once could bite the lolicons in the butt, but for antis: its an friend of mrbeast's which means they can suck it or just be like "i hate mrbeast for keeping an lolicon as his friend"
@@frustratedrando34 Oh hell naw, not shadman.
@@Dice-Z its true though, not meaning to say its good, it did happen
Listen mate, as long as you don't advocate for censoring it we're cool.
Lolis are cute and funny fictional characters who should definitely not be treated as if they’re real people.
I will defend an artist's freedom of expression and ability to create, but that doesn't mean I want to see it.
As Long as they Don't do it in a weird way
As long as they keep it hidden and show only if requested.
@@blaizegottman4139 Not really freedom to create, if it's only as long as someone doesn't find it "weird", is it?
Thanks for the proper explanation Hero, the main takeaway of this is that no one is forced to defend anything they find weird or uncomfortable.
Just let people enjoy the things they like and let other people not enjoy it, it's very simple
You don't have to defend someone's personal feeling if you yourself don't feel that you align to their beliefs. Those people want you to either identify with their beliefs or in the other case, go to the extreme that says "you have to defend everything". That's the extreme length. You don't have to align to something you personally don't believe in.
I think their problem was that the phrasing "I _won't_ defend X" sounds a whole lot like "I condemn X" and is used that way all the time.
if they use that energy care about real child then fiction, imagine how many real child they protect in real life.
Bruh honestly people gotta stop ruining shit for little shit
Tatsumaki's 28.
I mean I don't really like loli all that much I think it's an overused trope but I'm not going to act like it's a crime against humanity to have a character like that
Thats fair
Fair enough
Can't argue with that.
i only hate when those characters are oversexualised tbh, its creepy asf.
@@czarnakoza9697there are situations where it could work well, but if its really just done to sexualize then its creepy
Is it a bit morally gross to be into Lolis (talkin underage ones, obviously characters like Rebecca are fair game.) sure. Is it legally punishable? Nope. Lolicon isn't "literal CP," if it was you wouldn't be able to go to nhen and sort by Loli, or go on R34 and put Kanna in the search bar to find 100s of results. Honestly the main issue is that Lolis are both underage *and* of-age characters. Why? Because Loli is a body type, not an age descriptor. Because people (Antis especially) think of it as an age thing, you get people calling the tiny senpai (I forgot her name) a "literal child" even though shes 20 something and has breasts bigger'n my head.
Hundreds of results? More like thousands of results. Plus, websites like hanime have loli schmentai in their top 10 most viewed. Which is like crazy. Other than that, I respect your opinion
Hundreds of results? More like thousands of results. Plus, websites like hanime have loli schmentai in their top 10 most viewed. Which is like crazy. Other than that, I respect your opinion
I get where that guy is coming from but feels like his argument for "defending" it is coming from a very generalized view. I don't think I need to "defend" the idea of liking loli in the same vein of how I don't think anyone needs to go out of their way to attack it. If it is not someone's cup of tea, that's just simply how it is. HOWEVER, I will absolutely defend for it right to exist. The same way I would for other fictional stuff that other people might find distasteful, like furry art, gore, etc. The bottomline should always be "it's fictional". Especially when it comes to entertainment media. The moment we let that line slip is the moment we go right back to Jack Thompson era of boomer pearl clutching. Which unfortunately, is happening now but worse since the ones doing pearl clutching are hypocrites with even more abhorrent skeletons hiding in their closets.
Two words:
*Fictional characters*
As far as I know a short older character is not a kid nor should they be seen as such. As long as no real life people are being harmed then outrage over it is idiocy.
That’s literally what he said 💀. He is just saying that he shouldn’t be obligated to defend it.
@@KingzMintz then that just means we have the same opinion on it. I gave mine and he gave his. No issue here.
One word: THOUGHTCRIME
Albeit law punish bad action this people want to go inside your head and punish you for what you think, or for what they think you are thinking
@@JMDAmigaMusic then it’s a great thing those who see through this nonsense can call it out for what it is and resist it.
People are still using the "it's all fiction bro" card in plain 2023 (almost 2024) damn that's crazy. It's like saying propaganda is meaningless because it isnt reality, and thus it doesnt convey any idea or anything
WTF is wrong with Uzaki-chan? Wasn't she an adult from the start? She even has boobs.
Are people mad cuz she has a round face and big eyes? WTF are they even thinking?
Idk why uzaki is hated so much. However, a common thing I unironically heard from a minority that hate it is that she has a punchable face.
she's literally drawn as a kid in some scenes tho
Because certain squid game fan said so, therefore bad
Thank you for the clarification, "defending" has become a very context sensitive word.
I think that most people can reasonably understand that sexual fetishes should be tolerated so far as you would expect others to tolerate yours, that you should basically leave people alone and not attempt to compare and contrast the morality of it all with insane rationalizations.
At the end of the day people are just projecting shame they shouldn't have for their kinks onto other people's kinks, and it because it is NSFW you shouldn't be sharing it with anyone unsolicited to begin with, or entering a community sharing it and then complaining to begin with.
What gets me the most is how these people hate lolis and anime in general for supposedly "sexualizing minors" yet i haven't seen them talk about the many teen shows in america that sexualize minors. I guess they are fine with it if it is an actual real life person. I also haven't seen them fight real pedophiles like some of the celebrities in Hollywood.
It's not just hollywood celebrities. But for people who is actually more closer to them. Although the best way to combat predators, is for the parents to have a meaningful bond with their kids and have the predators getting help. Which this solution appears to be too difficult for them...
@killertruth186 not too difficult, just not enough clout in it
This is a group of people that think fictional characters are real people and meanwhile real people are facing real problems they pretend they never seen it and continues to be mad on Twitter about a character that is drawn character.
@@thellewdude The "predators getting help" part is an extremely difficult one for everyone involved. Not only is it really hard to change someone with such tendencies, but therapy is in an absolutely dogshit state.
These are the same people who thought a 10 yo boy dancing provocatively for grown men was stunning and brave. I am talking about Desmond Napoles. You can look it up.
I'd rather not. It's not the only case, and won't be the last.
They are the real sick people.
One can dream of him waking up to what has been done to him and rebelling against the groomers who created Desmond Is Amazing.
They also don't say sht when kids are stuffing money certain people's drawers at strip shows that are okay if the half naked "woman" is a man. Hell, these are the same people quiet as a mouse when books describing oral and etc. is okay for ages 8 and up. But the predators are the people who like lines on paper, not the perverts so deranged stuff like Cuties makes it to their hard drives. Predators are into real children. They'd take harmless family photos over any drawing everytime. They can use their same insane logic to lock up anybody who reads a book with violence. Anybody into werewolves are animal r*pists to be! We have to go protect the dogs!
@@adriellightvale8140 his mother facilitated it, she became famous.
Don't know if those are the exact same people. But no pre-teen boy should even dress in drag and dance provocatively, that's some toddlers and tiaras levels of messed up.
Shota and rori are allowed to exist as art as they are just fictional characters.
As Long as it's not creepy
@@blaizegottman4139
Not how that work, bub.
@@blaizegottman4139it's like the point just flew across your head
Dont forget cub bro(its loli equivelent in the furry fandom front what i remember)
@@espurrseyes42 Considering how shota and rori are supposed to be cute body types based on the sex.
Guys cmon everyone has their limits and boundaries we should respect that if we don't we're no better than anti's
Agreed just because someone defends others right to enjoy fictional content doesn't mean that they themselves consume that fictional content.
Such wise word that deserve to be respected.
A valid and understandable opinion. Like any fetish, especially fictional one, isn't for everybody. What I have a problem with is people calling it a 'gateway drug' because then the only logical conclusion to that line of thought is that any fiction can be the reason for a person to commit crimes. So far every study made on that topic has either not proven or has disproven this position. If we would take that stance anyway then not only this, but also furry stuff, most of the roleplay pornography, and most importantly - violent videogames would have to be outlawed. I don't want GTA to be illegal same as I don't want Evangelion, IT or indeed anime with lolis to be banned.
fiction does not indeed make people more prone to commit crimes, but fiction does influence things, and different fiction does it in a different way and severity - no one masturbates to violent videogames for one. porn influences what we consider normal in regular life (i'd even say what we have here is a classical conditioning through pleasure), just like the whole choking thing was not much popular irl before appearing in porn more and more and at this point is considered a regular and normal practice, vanilla even, by people at large (and not harmful at all, despite well. actually being one). people often develop kinks too not on their own, but from watching real or fictional porn.
and lolicon is simply not fictional enough (in a sense that furries do not actually exist, yet kids do) to avoid being normalized. that's the whole problem - normalization of being attracted to kids, not the increase of sex crimes itself.
@@cordyC You agree that your only real life example, choking, is legal, which already makes your argument shaky, but it actually falls apart even before considering that.
Hentai depicting fictional, usually unrealistic body proportions, situations and characters, is inherently impossible to replicate in real life. Anime characters share some basic similarities with human beings, but there's nobody on this planet who could mistake one for the other. With choking you are talking about reality porn, not animation.
And furries don't exist in same way as 9000 yo vampire succubi don't. Animals do exist and some furry characters are more akin to animals than others. Furry is such a broad spectrum you should really look into that fandom before you make such comparisons. From your comment I assume you don't oppose to furry porn, but you do for lolicon, which is not a consistent position. If you are against lolicon I would at least expect you to also be against furries.
If we get to the point where animation is indistinguishable from real life, then I will maybe agree with your idea - I haven't thought about that to make a commited opinion. For now the only normalization I see is being attracted to drawings.
EDIT: Sorry, one last thing. You say you can't masturbate to violent videogames, which isn't true, but I get what you are saying. However you can still enjoy it on an unhealthy level. One of the outspoken enemies of lolicon openly admitted he likes to watch real people get game-ended in real life by cartels. He enjoys it. If one can enjoy it in real life, one can certainly enjoy it a lil' too much in fiction. Still - shouldn't be outlawed for reasons I mentioned earlier and I stand by my opinion that it belongs to the same issue of fiction influencing reality.
@@ThatDjinn You miss his point, it wasn't that choking is illegal. He was proving something, that a subject matter can be normalized through the medium of fiction. This is a very general statement that I doubt most people would disagree with.
No one watches hentai because it's not related to anything in the real world, be realistic. If you are a straight person, you are going to look at female anime characters, and in your mind you will substitute them for what you are actually attracted to, a female. What do you think people looking at this other more disturbing content are thinking?
Animations are not undistinguishable from real life, but where do we draw the line? When something is 95% realistic? When something is 70% realistic? Because I am willing to bet there are drawings out there that technically have no origins in the real world (so no real harm, right?) but look very close to our world. What do you say then?
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 But that example is not fiction. It's real actors doing something legal that they both consented to. Drawings are not people and don't get subjected to the same standard. Anime is made using adult voice actors. Everyone involved in creation is giving their consent.
What you say in the second paragraph hasn't really been proven and if it did - it would apply to other fictional media and media genres as well, not just lolicon. I honestly doubt that people who are attracted to a purple lamia demon-lord are expecting same thing in real life. Of course, just like furry, lolicon is a broad spectrum and there's hard stuff that most people find hard to stomach. The issue is what do we do about it, because if we are going to ban the entire concept then a lot of IMO valuable fiction is going to be affected. Aforementioned Evangelion is one, so is Made in Abyss, which was lately part of a controversy. It wouldn't be just hentai that gets banned if the standard was loli=bad.
Drawing the line in realism is more of a philosophical question that I could indulge if we had this conversation in a different format, but I don't feel it's that important. My point is that anime/manga is in no way indistinguishable from real life.
@@ThatDjinn Porn is fiction, even with real actors and consent, that is the whole point. A horror movie is fiction, even though it has real actors. Again, the whole idea is that something can be normalized through these methods, even though people understand them to be fake experiences. And sometimes what we are talking about is made from illegal references, and I am not referring to just an anime being made here.
People don't just separate their porn and fantasies from their irl desires, they both connect. Look at the furries who try to dress up as their characters in real life, who are attracted to the "fursonas' of other people. And a small percentage of them will be attracted to animals, which isn't good.
Realistically, none of this will get banned, I am just arguing for what should happen, which also realistically won't happen. I think it should be banned in some way, and people should be shunned socially for looking at this stuff. It's not "a fetish or kink", it's a mental illness that can transform into something far worse. I am not arguing against loli = bad, I am arguing against the sexualization of them. If something like Evangelion has that in it, I don't know what kind of exception you'd want me to make for it. At least if there is bad stuff in it, it can be cut out.
I never argued that anime/manga is indistinguishable from real life, I was arguing that it doesn't matter in the minds of people who consume this stuff and use it as a reference for their own life, desires, and interests.
I will happily talk about lolis
@@celestesencountershe asked first
@@celestesencountersyou immediately think of something sexual, didn't you?
Eh I have no issues loving legal lolis.
If their id says 18+ and authentic not gonna deny it not gonna care and not gonna comply to anyone's threats towards me.
@@nightowl9269 how are you carding fictional characters
@@kylelacey1212 You can't because they don't exist.
Yeah, I've see your take on lolicon lots of times and I respect it. You find it weird and you want nothing to so with it. I can also admit it's weird and but still like it. I'm sure as hell am not really going to defend something I'm not into but I will let other people like what they like as long as it's not harming other people.
People that treat fictional characters as if they're real are weirdos.
It really depends, I think it's rather ok if the characters are gigachads
Coo to see hero hei standing up for himself and giving us a full response
The problem i think isn't liking loli characters
Its that people are masturbating to depictions of characters that's meant to look like a child
Which is disturbing
Its frightening to think that theres people wasting mind and time to fighting for 2d fictional characters
Yeah, all of the people trying to defend their disgusting images are fighting for 2d fictional characters instead of getting over their mental illness and talking to real, people who are legal. It is a very frightening situation to observe
I think it's fucking disgusting to fight for fictitious characters, not just 2d charas alone. Smells schediaphillic.
In high school one of my waifus was toradora, I didn’t think of her as a loli but a short girl and she is still one of my waifus
It's fine if you don't like it or find it abhorrent Hei the fact that people like you and Rev acknowledge the difference between reality and fiction is what's important. Keep up the good fight! I do hope people leave you be just because you defend peoples right to enjoy fictional content doesn't mean you consume that content yourself.
The loudest are usually the most hypocritical.
Well said. People are free to not want to associate/consume certain fetishes/stuff in fiction; while still understanding that it's just fictional content and harmless. I think a lot of people try to blur each others stances on this stuff just because they don't enjoy the same exact kinds of content, won't defend each others types of content, ect. And it's pretty disingenuous to try to make someone look bad just because they have their own preferences/interests. We should just be glad that we're in the timeline where Hero Hei isn't pro-censorship.
Defending free speech and freedom of expression means defending content you mite not like or find disgusting in fiction, activism, or speech. In America free speech is a right there is no activism or art without free speech. Comparing the two is a absurd allegory as one doesn't exist with out the other. Defending the right for a piece of art to exist is not the same thing as condoning it or supporting it. If you can't do that then don't cry when you and yours get censored.
Let's goooo based Hei for standing by his own opinions. You covered pretty much everything about how I feel about loli (they're cute when they're their own characters and being awesome), as well as that one comment being out of place and tying the subject to free speech. People shouldn’t make too much of a fuss about it, even if I think NSFW of them is really dumb.
That's how I've always felt too. If people start this argument over fiction then we're entering a slippery slop for what content that's fictional will be also effected.
Actually had a situation where some guy claimed some furry game dev was a p3d because of stuff related to Sh0ta.
Simply put, the accuser lied about a character being 15 when they were confirmed to actually be 23 and how said game dev left a comment on a work of Sh0ta art five years ago. A comment that just said “cute.”
Oh yeah, and the accuser admitted to doing it for clout and he and his fans are on some serious copium right now after a doc got released dismantling his entire argument.
Ah yes, the classic "child who looks like a 10 year old is actually 500 years old so it's not pedophilic"
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 except said character didn’t look 10/15.
@@mylastaccountgotdeletedtha6936 How old did they look?
Its fine not to like nsfw art of lolis. Completely understandable. However i will not stand for people harassing others for liking or making that sort of content. Absolutely not. Learn to separate fiction from reality.
Anya is my favorite character. The fact my baby sibling likes the character and dressed as her in her 3rd Halloween because I was being Loid made me smile a lot, it made me happy and love this
Very wholesome siblings.
Loli is a body type not just the age of a character.
"Twitter will treat fictional people as real and real people as fictional, and then get mad at you for knowing the difference."
based take honestly. i personally hate the ppl that attack lolies cuz they are actually unhinged and mentally insane. the same type of ppl that will bully an artist and possibly lead them to suicide cuz they drew fan art of a char that doesn't align with their beliefs. they're cults is what they are.
The furry hypocrisy is unreal to me. Like in their own logic they enjoy low tier bestiality which is illegal in the states and a lot of the first world. Apparently Canadians got a pass on it for some reason
This is the best kind of take you can make. You don't have to cover things that you're uncomfortable with and you just cover the whole argument about fiction in general without policing anyone regardless of your preferences.
First they came for the lolicons, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a lolicon.
...and you know the rest
for me shota and loli makes me a little uncomfortable I don't really care if people like it, but I'd rather not see it. but with petite or short female characters like tatsumaki/rukia i find it totally okay but with characters who even act like kids have a voice of kids and overall are depicted as children in the media, that's when it crosses the line. I would never go out of my way to send death threats or such to people who do like it but it's just not for me. (As long as it isn't evolving the interest with real kids it is okay.)
Literally this comment 👏
I honestly didn’t even know lolis was so problematic until probably early this year or last year! It was around the time uzumaki want to play came out
But my opinion is that I met people who look much older or younger then they actually do, I heard story of people getting into trouble because their date that they met on tinder and looked old enough to pass for 18+ was actually a minor!
I am 23 and at my best I been told that I could pass for 16!
So I don’t have too much of a problem with lolis, also the fact that they are fictional cartoon
Lolicon can be messed up, but so are a bunch of other fetishes for varying reasons. Either all of it's okay, or none of it is. This is why, even though I think porn addiction is a huge problem in this day and age, I don't agree with outright banning pornography/hentai. Who will decide where to draw the line? Answer: it almost certainly won't be you.
The descision of drawing the line is pretty simple. The more realistic the more likely it will attract an offender to like it. With loli and other very fictional fetishes it doesn’t attract those who like the real life counterparts of what’s being compared and those who claim to be pedo and lolicon at the same time are lying to themselves
There's only two shades of lolicon and shotacon (furries and bronies included), dark and darker.
@@killertruth186 there’s no such thing as 2 shades of Lolicons unless you’re talking about one side of lolicons that are just obsessed with lolis and the other that are attracted to it, but if you aren’t then Simply put that Loli is just Loli. There is “darker shade”
@@KingzMintz I mean, it attracts some of them. There's no shortage of Japanese authors who have been caught with both lolicon and real child pr0n. That being said, statistically you're probably better off leaving your child with a stranger who faps to lolis for babysitting rather than someone close to the family or a relative. The majority of time it's the close people who actually end up assaulting children, while the stranger who faps to lolis knows very well not to touch reach children and is very much afraid of the consequences (and also might not even like real children that way. Real children really aren't quite as cute or even very similar for most part).
@@thenonexistinghero I’ve said this so many times but Loli and pedophilia has no correlation because pedos can’t view lolis the same way real lolicons do. No Japanese authors got caught having both of them. It was either real child or loli, and also wtf? Statistically that’s better and you believe we are pedos? Strangers over family members?? What are you talking about? That statistic doesn’t mean you have to pick up a random stranger off the street to do the babysitting, just hire a real babysitter. Lolicons don’t say that. Lolicons view lolis a different way pedos do.
As a proud lolicon i respect your take
Same here as a shotacon
pedo
This hatred to Loli on twitter is a result of anime community not being gatekept.
Just half a decade ago, the word was a meme given how anime WAS a niche. Now youve got virtue signalers that I swear, tend to out themselves out through their own likes and activities
Its never been sexualized until twitter relied on that urban dictionary definition
Also this hatred of loli is mostly a western trend. Anime fandom in Asia are fine with it existing. Find any post of loli content and you'll see the people complaining about it are all westerners.
There's only two types of people who had found loli, they either went out of their way or some degenerate had shown it to them/asking them to look it up.
@@killertruth186 Which is why all the people whining under lolicon content are all hypocrites.
You're right that it's a gatekeeping issue but naive to think it's simple virtue signaling.
They hate that people in the west consume media that they haven't been able to subvert, thus they try to attach a stigma to it. "Oh you watch anime? That must mean you're a pdf". This is a concentrated effort to shame the anime industry into adopting the messaging of the west. It's not just randos on twitter, this is actual "journalist" agencies like vice writing hit pieces.
Continued failure to gatekeep will see the Japanese entertainment industry follow the west's into the toilet.
@@GigaLuigi124 I was preaty lucky, half of my class whact loli anime and some were lolicon
Seeing as I'm part of the screenshot too:
Yeah fair enough, we understood the meaning of the word "defend" differently then. Though my original comment did elaborate on what I specifically meant, as in letting stuff exist and defending that right to exist, the right to be made, not how the works should be seen or viewed. There's a whole lot of stuff I'd rather not see nor even know exists in the first place, but they have the right to be regardless of how sick they would make me feel.
crazy people would rather be outraged on twitter than to stop actual abuse thats going on and being shared, they would rather take the easy way out and stop lolis from existing in anime and manga even when its pure and not lewded, like that one mcdonalds ad i forget what it was called with the orange haired ones,
or when they tried to cancel rebecca from edge runners o7
I have a similar stance to yours as well, and it’s not just with lolicon/shotacon. I will say things like artists and fanfic writers shouldn’t be attacked for reading/writing content that contains certain elements like underage characters in sexual situations or incest. I may not like either of those elements, and I avoid it like the plague, but I’m not gonna defend that type of content. I’m just gonna simply say, don’t waste your energy attacking someone over something that you could easily avoid by blocking them.
Exactly, they're free to dislike it sort but don't threaten or accuse artist over something which you easily just block them and never see them again.
I think loli stuff needs to be taken case by case. Sometimes loli is a short adult character, sometimes it's referring to actual child characters. Sometimes it's sexual, sometimes it's not. And at the end of the day it's all just fictional.
I also am within your same line of thoughts. That community likes to use the Charlie video where he explicitly says that all of that stuff is "fake animated things", but also there it is another clip where he explicitly said that "he didn't knew why that debate was that important" and "the fact that it's not real doesn't make it less disturbing", which of course are fair points, but still, he's not obligated to like or defend that stuff.
We don’t refer to ourselves as a community because that’s a fragile mentality. We have our separate friend groups in the lolicon space , but we’re not one and the same, and lolicon isn’t a reason for all of us to be connected together. I’ve barely seen a single lolicon use the Charlie video since April of this year, but with everything else you said I agree
I always saw it that nsfw of lolis was pretty much similar to killing kids in a video game. No it doesnt make you a murderer but you have to realize not everyone is gonna look at you an be comfortable with that.
You can like lots of nsfw on adult stuff and most people are fine with it, you can show yourself killing a lot of npcs in a game and most are fine with it, but doing it to a kid feels different because you are doing it to something that most would associate with innocence so yes it becomes weird. Of course if you are into it and publicly share stuff about it you are going to be seen as a weirdo, you are sharing a fetish that most don’t like, so please, keep it to yourself.
Pin if you are a normal person and not angry over lolis.
I challenge you to go out into the real life and try to explain Lolis to an actual normal person to see if they like it
@@Tiagocf2 a character that is a child. Oh no!
I'm not surprised that loads of antis are predators themselves. It makes sense. After all, where do you go if you're a predator and don't want other people to know that? SURELY no one would suspect the guy who is rabidly fighting against it! SURELY not... r-right?
If you don't defend the hill next to you, because you personally dislike the stuff and it's "not the hill you wanna die on", don't be surprised when once that hill falls and the mob comes to your hill there is no one left to help you defend yours.
Nah bro. What people need to do is to stop caring. Stop caring about mundane fictional things for the sake of your mental health. Then as we focus on real issues the world will be a better place
@@keckingrabbit354 If only people actually realize their actual values to real children...
@@keckingrabbit354 nah, there is a reason to care. i live in germany and i remember the time sensitive boomers censored pretty much every game out there to the point of being unplayable. you know what happened when you shot a civilian in the german edition of Half Life? instead of dying they sat down on the floor and shook their heads. Not even mentioning the removal of blood splatters etc.
i have seen what censors are willing to do when you let them. this is why it's necessary to oppose censorship at every step. if you find this not worth caring about sooner or later whatever you enjoy will become a sanitized kindergarden lowest common denominator version.
and once this happens don't come back crying how this couldve happened when you were the one saying it's not anything worth worrying about.
Honestly i see Loli
The Trope (or what i interpret as the trope) : like you mentioned someone like Rebecca.
And Actually Children.
Also isn't the irl equivalent of Loli (The Trope) Like a "Midget" , someone who has Good Gene's and Short People (Like Rebecca, The Sassy lost Child).
No no no. A midget is someone with hypoplasia like Vern Troyer. Rebecca is just petite.
@@UltimateThanos
It's an analogy
Whats important is common
Sense and knowing the difference
No matter how weird certain things are
Like furry,Cub,Lolicon,Shotacon ext.
At the end of the day no one is being harmed and its easy to avoid these days by a block.
Do openions matter yes are they fact no do they define people not really.
I love anime and Japanese culture its interesting im a lolisho artist and love just cartoonish cute fratures of characters in media.
Not everyone taste in cartoons are same that should be respected some like milf characters other animal some objects list goes on its just a cartoon.
I really appreciate how chill you are, maybe its because of your voice, and I kinda got into that stuff again, I couldn't resist, but the thing is that I haven't seen any lolicon trying to make people like or defend that, that comment was the exception of course, but at least most people can agree that policing stuff that you don't like its kinda pointless because you don't control anything that people do online
except maybe if you are the police and someone is doing actually ilegal stuff
I love lolis and no one can do shit about it 😈😈😈
Um ok
Shotas are better 🎉
@@Starling_Mi I highly disagree
My ex girlfriend is a loli by definition of her being legal age, small and petite. What's weird is when women complain about lolies but also cosplay as them and make the sexual.
It's only allowed if woman can get money from simps.
Even worse they are fine lewding teenager characters and say it’s fine cuz they have big boobs so they look older 😂like bruh if i said that to a cop that I like someone who look older don’t mean it’s right for me lewd someone who look older when they are not.😂
@@bruh5136
Not even then. Just look at Marin Kitagawa and Uzaki. One's a teen. One's an adult. Both are well-endowed. Yet they both get the "LiTeRaL cHiLd" treatment.
Calling real people loli is weird. That will just muddy the definition of them being fictional animated characters
@@evilmar2363
Agreed.
I already understood Hero Hei. You've mentioned time and again that you're not interested in lolisho but you refuse to attack people on it and I have always respected that. I really wish that some of these guys would chill though and understand that there are just some battles that people aren't willing to fight and you can't force them to.
I'm a lolicon myself, and I have been into it for a few years now, and I have yet to feel any need to do something to other people that I'm not supposed to. I feel no attraction to people I'm not supposed to feel that way towards.
The characters age doesn't matter to me because I know they aren't real and I can think of a few dozen things they could be besides human. I can watch thousands of Anya and Yor h-pics because i, like all other people who enjoy consuming fictional artworks, find the art appealing.
What I find disturbing is not the amount of people that dislike the artwork, but the fact that people not only lump us together with actual predators that enjoy committing horrendous acts on another human being in real life, but also their consent attempt to say and do anything possible to to get us to think about being actual Ped.
I even saw some RL CSAM victims being traumatized by being shown material of their own CSAM and constantly being told that they were going to become just like their abusers just because they don't agree with these people. They would straight up risk turning people into a Ped just to make an example out of them. Along with some other things that would make this comment even longer.
Well I'm glad that you're not going to condemn people for liking drawings, I'm also glad that you are not like those kinds of people and actually have your priorities in check.
I agree with your idea about NSFW. The way I see it, there has to be a distinction done by both the audience and the authors between lolis/minors who are cute like a puppy or act cute and that's it and actually sexualizing minors or having them in provocative poses/situations, yes they are fictional characters and there's no actual harm done, but the end result is appealing to the audience, and that it creates a somewhat reaffermative context for ped0s, who while not being the majority, are still present. It is true that you're not forced to consume products with lolis and in general minors in sexual situations, but at the same time it becomes overbearing when a good chunk if not the majority of anime and manga have it, especially in shows that don't really need it to begin with. Also, the all "there's freedom of speech and expression and all" argument, I do believe that it's true, freedom of speech and artistic expression are important, but it does not give the pass to say "imma draw children in sexual situation" and expect no consequences, like you know what you're doing, you know where the line is between fiction and reality (hopefully), but not everyone does. Also, while I'm still on the topic, the "but she's actually 10000 years old" it's kinda iffy for me, like sure the character is an adult age wise, but you're still essentially looking ad a child. Of course, people are free to do as they please and like whatever content they like, it's just that this is a topic that is somewhat difficult to tackle, where is the line between fiction and reality
Personally, I believe you should defend it even if you don't like it.
I do not like guro for example, but I will defend people's right to draw and enjoy it. It's not that I am directly endorsing it, or like it myself as stated earlier, I am merely fighting the censorship people wish to enact on it.
Guro is seriously mess up, but I wouldn't go out my way to ban the stuff, I simply choose to either ignore or actively avoid it.
I will NEVER defend guro. I just won't persecute for it. That just how I feel about it. Like if someone just being unfairly rude or censoring, I get it. I just wouldn't want to associate with it.
You arent obligated to defend it but you do which is a decision you took, exactly what he said, you are free to do what you want as long as you dont harm anyone irl
Just enjoy cute and funny things in this life 😭. Are fictional.
Saying something is bad and you dont agree with it is very different from removing someones right to free speech, which is once again being used in the wrong context because it always is, cuz no one is stopping them from doing it or calling for them to be like cancelled. But I also agree that the more against something someone is, they are either hiding that same thing in their own closet or something like worse.
A bit late here, HH, but I do agree defending lolis a little bit even if you dont like them is warranted, "We monke together stronk"
I dont like trap, loli, shota, guro, vore, etc. content, but I like futa, and I defend those just as much as I defend Futa, because I live by the phrase "First they came for the X, then they came for the Y, now they'll come for me." They tried branding Trap as "transphobe", they are trying to brand Lolisho as "pedo". Now imagine if they won and those things were banned from the internet, whats stopping them from comming for the rest? Whats stopping them from branding antyhing they dont like as "Wrong" "Immoral" "Disgusting" and preventing others from enjoying it?
That's a false correlation premise. If something was banned it doesn't directly imply that other things will be banned.
A lot of deep web stuff is banned from the internet already, so your mass banning "they" are doing should already be happening, no?
Now awnser me one thing: how thirsting over Lolis isnt being pedo? by sheer definiition it is
It's normal to find loli/shota gross, but the discourse always boils down to antis thinking it's promoting or encouraging real-life child abuse. My take is just to ignore (or block) any fictional content you dislike rather than attacking anyone who enjoys it.
You hear him? NSFW artists, go for Anya.
Are you joking or are you being serious
No I'm not. What is the problem?@@sprinkleisdumbfr
I like the dinner plate sized lollys that come on a stick half the size of my arm.
What does that mean
@@blaizegottman4139 Lollies are hard candy in Australia. My guess is that OP is talking about cartoonishly sized large swirl lollipops because talking about lolis made him hungry for candy, or he's semi-joking.
*_"People are allowed to like what they wanna like, so as long as no one get's hurt irl."_*
There, that's all you had to say in defense of free speech related to it.
You don't have to have a general interest into a topic to defend it.
It's not rocket science level of thinking - just common sense.
I don't have anything against furries in terms of what they are into, but more against their hypocrisy and judgmental hivemind personalities.
I could care less what they want to get off to, but it's their thing, and it hurts no one.
It's the same thing with LoliSho.
Nobody wants to defend "everything" it's just this specific topic - lolicon. if you don't wanna do it, then phrase it differently at least, because "i will not defend lolicon" could be like you against it. Just say you don't know is it bad or good so you not going to pick a side. it still kinda means that you will ignore any harrasment to actual lolicons, maybe including doxing tho, but at least people would understand your posittion better
I really want to know where this rabbit stance against pedophilia comes from. Everyone acknowledges that it's a bad thing but gen z and younger millennials have taking it to such an extreme it's ridiculous. Especially when it comes to anime and manga because they definitely have no issues when it's western animation.
I presume other younger Millennials and various zoomers do not want to be pushed away by their friends. One advantage for me which is a sad one, barely keeping friends so its not an issue. But thanks to such BS I have to deal with not having offline friends, online yea is not 100 percent good all things considered. Granted back to the point, it is sad for other younger Millenials or various zoomers to not understand Fiction is fiction, reality is reality.
When you or anyone reads this, Hi I am a guy who want to be in an isekai world with demi human women. Anyway Reality is not the worst its less than the best.
Your wording starts out a little misleading, but I get what you're saying. They've taken the idea of protecting children in a direction that misses the whole point (actually protecting children). Today they're frothing over anime characters. Soon they'll be defending the honor of underage stick figures.
Cite 1 (one) single example of western animation that promotes children sexualization like Loli stuff does
@@Tiagocf2 Big Mouth. And that show is way worse than some of the loli anime tourists are complaining about.
Lolis ain't real so instead of worrying about fake, fictional characters I'm gonna worry about the real children that are being trafficked in real life. Like the ones that were on epstien Island that Tom Hanks, Bill Gates, and various other rich people went to.
yeah idk why twitter acts like pixels on a screen is worse than what tf is going on in real life