Episode 115 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968 Mustang fold down assembly Autorestomod
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- This week we start assembling the fold down floor for the 1967 Mustang Fastback 2+2. We'll show how to install parts from National Parts Depot to get the best looking folddown seat assembly that you can. While mods will have to be made, the parts are clean, pretty and most importantly, available.
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Parts:
013016-1A Molding Set Fold Down Seat
013016-3BK Mounting Kit Fold Seat And Trap Door
372260-S Side Bumpers Fold Down Seat
X2 601A68-2A Catch Fold Down Side Latch
62426-2A Stop Bumpers Fold Down Seat
CA-FD-251 Carpet, Fold Down Area, Raylon Weave, Black
Specialty Tools:
Nut Driver Set
Tap and Die set (standard) possibly will need a 10-24 tap
Drill, cordless recommended
Dremel High speed Cutter PN: 115
Hey so I’m here in my basement, assembling all the pieces after restoration (65 caspian blue fastback) I have paused and played this video countless times. Thank you so much. I would have never figured it all out. You guys are great!
Thanks for the kind words!
Ah......Nope...just too easy. Great vid. Welcome back Vinnie. Thanks for the vid y'all.
I am liking your videos. Thanks for sharing them.
John thanks for watching, We didn't want to show all of the work--it would make for a loooooong video. We showed the problems we had, explained them and outlined solutions; better to cut to the chase and condense so you can know how to attack it. Hopefully our tips will help.
Well, we have to find one to do. And frankly, we've never tackled one of those. But yeah, we are waiting for Allan at Mustang Central to get one in so we can see how it is done and show you guys!
You show the fastbacksand coupes a lotta love so far. How about installing a convertible top? I triple dare ya. (Great videos, guys.)
Good stuff guys :)
Hi Vince, I am Alvaro from Spain, we met in Jaleo DC. I bought a mustang 66 coupe and I am doing a conversion to fastback, any feedback? Specially in doing a custom inner quarter panel. Thanks friend! Hope you continue working as engineer aswell as having fun with these beauties!
Vince is no longer working with us but I will pass along your salutations! You'll really want to have a complete parts car (body shell, not necessarily interior trim) to complete the conversion. Interior will be hard to make as there are a lot of compound curves in the car. BUT, we always say, where there is a will, there is a way.
First, I love your videos. Thank you for posting these. Second, are the sail panel speaker enclosures custom or did you get them from a vendor? I'm installing a fold down assembly into my non-fold down '68 now, this series of videos are very helpful. I love that you show the mistakes. Great show, thanks again.
Thanks for the kind words! We built those using our existing air extractors. There is an episode here: ua-cam.com/video/wN5vfRnW-vw/v-deo.html
This covers the build on the use of the stock enclosure.
Thank you. I'll watch it now. Keep up the good work. Hope to see you around the So. Cal. car seen soon.
mlb19691 One day we hope to get back out to So Cal. for now, we'll make the same offer. If you are ever in the Aiken, SC area, stop on by!
Hello Autorestomod, thanks for the great video, I am assembling the fold down seat right now and using your video for reference. Where did you purchase your leather seat covers? I may consider doing the same, thank you.
Thanks for the kind words! Those are TMI covers, some of the best in the business! www.tmiproducts.com/
Do my car next.
Hi AutoRestoMod Team, In regards to the Reproduction chrome trim for the fold down seats. Have you ever come across a reproduction that doesn't fit correctly in spots? I ordered my part through CJ Pony Parts for my 70 Mach 1 and the reviews on that particular part stated that the reproduction had fitting issues. The reviews were 2 years old when I bought the chrome trim so I figured all the fitting issues should be ironed out, but unfortunately they weren't. So do you guyz have any suggestions on how to modify the chrome trim or the seat panel itself or if you have come across the problem before what was your solution? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Also on a side note, appreciate all the videos you guyz are doing. It has been extremely useful to me on my restoration and here in Australia we don't quite have the referencing material that you have in the states, so your videos have really helped.
1484Youngy Thanks for the kind words. Some "fit-and-fiddle" will be required we had to cut the trim and tweak it. Also, remember they make a batch run of these parts and it will take some time to use up the old parts.
There are several points of interest, as well as problems, with the trim kit being used in this video.
First: This is *NOT* correct 1967 Trim: this trim is for late model year 1968 - 70! YES, there *IS* actually a difference.
Second: They are not using "013016-1A Molding Set Fold Down Seat" as the parts list shows. They are using 013016-3A, which is the late 68 - 70 trim. NPD claims Model 013016-1A is for 65-68, ( which is actually not true ), and they tell you to "DRILL 2 EXTRA HOLES FOR FRONT LATCH PLATES" for 67-68 cars. Um, yeah, you would have to if you want to use the latch plates... because the 65\66 seats don't have the plates.
. However, even if you do that, there's still an extra mounting hole in the trim pieces, towards the hinge, that does NOT exist on the 67 or early 68... the latch guide plate holes take the place of that. So there's no hole in the actual panel to accommodate the hole in the 65\66 trim, plus, that hole looks out of place if you also drill the mounting holes for the latch guide plates... the spacing looks very odd.
Some other things...
. The seat panel in this video, specifically the front panel, or "L", is indeed a 1967 or early 68 panel, however, the side trim the guys here are using is trim designed for a late model 1968 through 1970. The distinguishing difference of those panels, ( which changed sometime mid-model-year 1968 ), is the recessed area surrounding the rectangular seat latch holes, this is clearly seen on the trim pieces.
. That recess does *NOT* exist on 1967 through mid-68, it only exists on late model 1968 panels and above. The panel for 1967 through mid-68 is flat... and therefore, the trim pieces, if they were correct, are also flat.
. If you go really slowly through their video, frame by frame, you can catch some glimpses of the panel itself where you can see that there is no recessed area on the panel. A real panel for a late model year 1968 - 70 has a recessed area in the actual panel to accomodate the recess in the trim pieces these guys are using. This panel clearly has no recessed area.
. Because of this, the trim does not actually fit all the way down on the panel as it should. This can be seen VERY CLEARLY at 10:47 and 12:58 into the video. That hole you see in the panel, partially peeking out from under the trim... that should NOT be exposed if the trim fit correctly. The recess in the trim is holding it slightly away from the panel, causing the trim to not seat all the way.
. If it were deisigned correctly for 1967 to mid-68, this hole would not be seen, it would be under the trim as it was designed to be so many years ago by Ford engineers. The trim fits flush at the recessed point, but that's it, it's held slightly away elsewhere.
. That's possibly why the "fit" wasn't so great at the hinge corner of those pieces, and also quite possibly why they had to drill, out the panels to get the latch guide holes to line up. AND... you really should never be required to "damage" perfectly good factory original parts like this. I bet original non-damaged trim pieces off of just about any 1967 mustang would have fit right... without requiring them to damage the panels :-(
These trim pieces are, therefore, incorrect for use in this car.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's anyone out there actually making the *correct* trim kit for 1967 through mid-68 :-(. I've seen kits for "65-68" and kits for "67-70", but neither are actually right for 67 and early 68. That's why I had to use my old trim pieces in place of the ones that came in the kit I have... fortunately my originals were "acceptable", and there's no way I was going to drill out my original Ford panels... that just ain't gonna happen!
NOTE: For reference backing up the above information, please visit the "FoldDownSeat" website, it has TONS of info and descriptions for each of the early model year mustangs, along with pictures to show what the proper pieces should look like; including a side-by-side comparison showing the "L" panel's proper trim pieces for 65\66, 67\early-68, late 68 - 70...all in one image. You'll notice the 67\early-68 does NOT have the recess... it's flat.
Hello. I read your informative post. I've also reviewed folddownseat.com.
Dobbs' and Farr's 1989 edition of "How to Restore a Mustang" page 2-11, Col. 1, bullet 2 states that when removing the interior during a restoration that the riveted panels in the fastback should be left in the car to prevent aligning problems during reassembly, "unless absolutely necessary." I am about to embark in the disassembly of a 1966 Fastback interior because I need to make sheet metal repairs, including full front and rear frame rails, floors, trunk and whatever else is needed (Till June when purchased, the car was a Michigan car [road salt damage], now it resides in Texas since June.) The car is in surprisingly great shape everywhere other than the floor structure. The factory DeLux Parchment and Ivy Gold appointed interior is beautifully preserved and seems untouched by a DIY-er's shoddy workmanship. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE FIRST!
I'd like to avoid disassembly of any pieces that are especially problematic to reassemble: The fold down seat is one such concern. Any tips on interior disassembly or reassembly of the riveted areas? Any info on books or references that you use would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you for your work with your personal site.