Bit Rot STOPPED my old pc from booting... Here's how I fixed it.
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- Опубліковано 3 бер 2020
- So I got this PC in, with pretty decent specs, though it had one major problem that made it not boot, and that was... at first I thought RAM, though after I realised it was something entirely different. In-fact it could be something you may want to do on all your older PCs...
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Bit Rot will never stop me from watching a Tech YES video!
This is one of the coolest videos yet! are we going to see you in the tech yes videos anytime soon?
@@henryponds9071 When he comes back to Taiwan!
@@MarcoGPUtuber Can't wait!
@@henryponds9071 Me too! Parts hunts are fun! I have things planned to make this better than ever!
@@MarcoGPUtuber Yay! I can't wait!
I thought Bit Rot was another Intel vulnerability, lol.
lmao
Same.
I mean, you’re not technically wrong. It’s an Intel problem..... and AMD problem.. and everyone else problem
Somebody else thought it was a Windows problem
"bit rot" is a new term to me. AFAIK, it only seems to occur on ICs' that are re-programmable (eg. CMOS firmware memory and RAM). RAM is easily fixed - remove power from system, wait 30 seconds or more, then re-connect power and you should be good to go again.
CMOS firmware memory usually needs, as you've discovered, a re-flash (ie. reprogramming).
What essentially happens, as I understand it, is that a high frequency transient mains power 'spike' can bleed into the system and change random bits in RAM (which can sometimes stay there after a reboot - best fixed by actually removing the mains supply to system) or random bits in re-programmable firmware.
If it happened to a CPU or other non-programmable IC, there would be no fix - a 'spike' that caused that kind of 'reprogramming' would probably have toasted the rest of the computer.
As an idea for future 2nd hand PC builds - try and get the same or later BIOS version flashed to the motherboard ASAP in the build process (set up a bootable USB thumbdrive with the necessary s/ware ready to go).
Thanks for the video. "Bit Rot" sounds more organic than something you'd apply to a device made of processed sand ;-)
It's an interesting topic that really opens my eyes. This was 'living' proof in the video. Crazy to see how it will play out in the coming years.
As I understand it, bit rot extends to any form of data degradation on any form of non-volatile memory. A DVD can "rot" as it gets scratched or the reflective layer on top peels away eventually, for instance.
Mechanical hard drives are also prone to bit rot. I've seen quite a few large arrays lose data to bit rot
Do not forget the high energy cosmic rays. The magic space particles flip bits all the time.
You misunderstand bit rot it doesn't happen on RAM or any sort of processor, its specifically a problem related to storage only and mainly hard drives to be honest; this is an odd case where its possible a IC which is specifically designed for storage has become corrupt. I wouldn't consider voltage spikes leaking into a motherboard bios chip a case of bit rot essentially its just a motherboard/PSU with either a design fault or just plain bad, but arguably the result is the same .....loss of data. In no way should voltage spikes go through to such an essential chip this is a fundamentally bad thing, but often can happen in power outages, the PSU or fuse should blow well before anything like this happens.
Daned awesome, described exactly a problem i couldn't figure with a mates old pc. I bow to your knowledge. Thank you.
I love it when a plan comes together. Keep up the good work.
Hey, love your channel, and I love this type of video... Technical but casual feeling. I do like deep dive type stuff, but this just is easier for most people to consume. Thanks
I just came here to thank you for your great x58 overclocking tutorial. It was very easy to follow, and I was able to put together a budget build for $800.00 CAD ($600 USD). I got the clock speed up to 4.2 GHz, and the ram up to 1900 MHz. You make great videos.
Great work Mr TekYesMan!
When you flashed the bios and jumped in front of the camera I instantly thought of Beaker from the Muppets. Very funny!
Keep up the trial and error approach. It's often worked for me too... Beaker!
Cheers, Mon from Brisbane
Meep meep!
Similar thing happened to an Asus Z8NA-D6C motherboard of mine, I ended up rigging a Raspberry Pi to it's flash chip to reflash the bios
Maybe i should reflash the Bios on my Z8NAD6 then.. Just to be sure lol.
You had my attention, now you have my curiosity
how
@@mr.pineapple3567 www.flashrom.org/RaspberryPi
This is what I used for it
@@DualPerformance www.flashrom.org/RaspberryPi
Flashrom is what I used
Read other parts of it's wiki for more info, should be pretty straight forward
Bryan, all people with more time on their hands than they know what to do with salute you! Thanks from Shanghai quarantine. Keep up the great work. May you hit 1 million subscribers
This often happens with the (volatile) CMOS when using an almost dead CMOS backup battery
That's not bit rot though, that is because a cell can't hold it's charge because it's supporting voltage is getting too low. The symptoms are similar, but the cause and mechanisms are different.
@@WouterVerbruggenyou are correct. With "this" I was was referring to the symptoms, not bit rot. Both cause data corruption, but for different reasons.
I love Tech Yes City, I have a traumatic brain injury and due to that I suffer from brutal mood swings and depression but i come back to this channel very very often because i just love seeing how different it is in comparison to other tech youtubers which actually makes me kind of happy, thank you for that and keep it up
All we need is a little bit of tech yes lovin in our lives :)
TBI sucks. Me also from the Army. I tinker with computers . The VA got me stabilized as per the mood thing. Good luck buddy
I'd also recommend the OffTheRanch channel, Matt Carriker is a very positive-outlook kinda guy and does some great & fun videos.
Thank you all, I wish you guys all the best as well :)
@4:25
Click on it.
Make sure you have full screen mode on.
Used your sponsor and code for a Windows 10 Pro.... so far so good. It worked. Thanks for the tip Brian.
Bit Rot will eventually happen to any kind of Magnetic data storage (HDs) and Flash memory (SSD, DRAM...).
In both Magnetic data storage and Flash memory the bits will lose its charge overtime. How long it takes depends on the technology used/how well the bits are isolated.
There are ways around the problem.
The easiest and simplest one is to set a routine that every x amount of time all bits are re-written/re-charged. One place you see this constantly being applied is on DRAM.
The secondary timings RMS/tREF/tRFC (All the same thing but each manufacture gives it a different name) is the interval between each data refresh/rewrite.
Increasing this time usually increases performance because the memory is wasting less time keeping the date "alive" letting the memory free to do its job (Read/Write) but, it also decreases the system stability because the longer the delay before the next refresh/recharge the higher is the chance of a bit fully discharge causing data loss/corruption.
Another thing that can affect date is the background radiation. Can't say much about it but how much Data is affected by it also depends on the technology used/how well the bits are isolated.
You computer is a Acer OEM and they are notorious for using cheap low quality stuff. I'm not surprised at all that their Bios gets corrupted in such a short amount of time. There are many ~1990 computers that their Bios still kicking to this day with 0 maintenance and 0 data loss/corruption.
Less dense data means there's fewer bits affected when a high energy cosmic ray hits your storage medium. The affected area of a ray of a particular intensity in 1990 might have held 3 bits of data, but the same area today might hold 300 or even 3000. Depending on what was corrupted, the system might be able to still function if just a couple of bits were changed, but if several dozen bits were changed, you're much more likely to encounter problems.
@@stale2665 I brought up the ~1990 PCs because I thought it would be a good extreme example but you have good point.
Yet most of the mid/high end stuff from ~2008 still working without problems or maintenance aside from dust cleaning.
Besides the chance of background radiation causing data corruption is quiet small/rare.
What I'm saying is good stuff don't break that easy.
Nice specs, mate!
Thanks for the video, I had the same issue resolved by flashing the Intel internal Management program. And I also had to ask the manufacturer of my mobo a new bios chip for it to be resolve.
Thanks Bryan! I've got at least 20-25 motherboards on my DOA motherboard shelf that get power but won't actually boot..... Maybe there's hope for a few of them!?
6:11 that's just some Tech YES Rockin'! :)
Tried shazaming the song. No results. Does anyone know what it it?
@@markqqq_ Sounds like a remake of Spark Mandrill's stage from Mega Man x
"Bit Rot" is what i got that night, i put my bit in that lady of questionable virtues.
Every now and again you toss in a mega man theme song and I’m down with that
You got it all wrong man! The motherboard is just trying to play you the EDM remix of Jingle Bells.
I love that you hold the pc like a barbarian :D
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! -- Tefen's Tech
I am dealing with this EXACT problem right now with my ASUS Z97-AR. After much diagnosis I thought this was exactly my problem & started researching BIOS, POST, & Flash Memory corruption from degradation. That was how I stumbled across this video. Everyone I kept trying to tell this to thought I was crazy and that BIOS could only be damaged by failed flashing. They kept telling me it was likely something else causing it. Now I will fiddle with it until I can get it to boot into Windows & try flashing it to see if it fixes it like you did. Worst case situation I'm going to buy a new BIOS chip for my motherboard on eBay and replace it.
At least now I can send this video to people who doubted me.
Well, it did not fix it for me. Next step I will be buying a new replacement BIOS chip for it. If it works I'll make a video about it & POST(haha, get it?) it on Tefen's Tech.
Awesome Video, I have an old Lenovo Thinkstation S20 (Intel X58), that sometimes gives me this exact same error code 3 beeps, 1 second silence, another 3 beeps and then Shutdown. At first I thought it was the RAM, but now I will try to reflash the BIOS to see if that solves the problem, also I will try to see if after the BIOS flash update the MotherBoard accepts 8GB RAM Sticks, because right now she only likes 4GB sticks and only allows me to have a max of 24GB of DD3 1366 ECC Ram (triple channel baby).
"Oh, you who knows so much; This computer is only MOSTLY dead" You might have to change your name to Miracle Max
*Blows the PC back to life*
the background song while fortnighting was that the one you made with RJN?
Congrats on figuring this out before you replaced the motherboard. :)
Wow.. Such a weird problem. Good work.
I've run into this a few times. Had to figure it out the hard way. Wish there had been a video about it then.
i love the 80s retro music so much!!!!
Aaaahhh, Acer Support Download page. The most confusing support page ever.
Anyway, when I encountered this problem, I'll just unplug the power cord, remove CMOS battery, press the power button 30 seconds, et vóila, always booted up.
that's always good thing to try first!
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Tonight on Mauri: Is your BIOS flashing everyone? Has your motherboard been doing some shady POSTing? The answer will shock you! Tonight at 8, 7 central.
waffeltek wtf
@waffeltek yo bro legit you might need a psychiatrist.
Cool Video ! I Like The Xeon X5675 Prty Well I Have 2 of Them in my Unraid Server an thy seam to do real well ! I also got a X5650 in another server..lol. thy a great lil 6 core chips !
My laptop sometimes will turn on for a second and turn off. Found out it was a corrupted bios so I had to pull out the bios battery and hold down power button on laptop with the power cord disconnected to drain any last juice so the bios resets. Put battery back in and it started working again after a few tries. It happens if the bios battery is getting old, I think it's power gets too low and corrupts bios. Replace battery and you'll have to reset the time.
I know you typically do videos for budget gaming, BUT what is the best Price/perf office PC Setup. Athlon 3000g Combo OR Cheap Xeon combo OR One of these Used Dells/ACER Builds.
Bit rot is a weird thing... I've had devices with bit rot after 5 years, and also have systems that are nearly 30 years old and have had no problem with it. I think it's highly variable, based on the individual components as well as storage and use conditions
DoctorX17 Yeah, first time I’ve heard of this issue. I mess with tons of old computers, and have never seen this
@@sneugler it's not particularly common, seems to be particular batches of cheap components that have this issue
DoctorX17 I guess the old equivalent is floppy disk degradation, since the components themselves are (usually) rock solid
@@sneugler yeah, magnetic media usually "rots" a lot more than solid state media. CDs and DVDs also have that issue if poorly stored
DoctorX17 wow, didn’t know CDs and DVDs had that sort of issue, I guess it’s over 20 year old technology now
Good On Ya.......i been a pc tech for 30+ years in the Woop Woop of usa ... i have one of those doing the same Bloody thing.... i called my acer rep about this, the Mongrel said "SCRAP IT"...... it been sittin in the closet gettin ready to be stripped for parts.....lol..... now since this video i can fix the bloody thing, thanks.....
@John Chrysostom Rev 3:9 who comes to look at the chat and moan about the word bloody being used twice in a couple sentences..... idiot
@John Chrysostom Rev 3:9 people in the USA never, ever say "bloody" nor do they use the term "mongrel" except when talking about dogs. So yes, the guy made a valid point on calling the dude out about not being from the USA....
@@christopherjames9843 Funny.. where does the person say they were from the USA? Working somewhere is a bit different from being born there. How do you know OP isn't from Europe or elsewhere and has only worked in the USA for the past 30 years after immigrating? :) It wasn't a valid point, at all. Also, who the hell cares? It's the USA, OP can talk however they damn well please you bloody moron ;)
Well, you ain't much of a PC Tech if you could not figure this out with 30+ years of experience, lmao!
@@sirfairplay9153 True, the guy couldn't even figure out that you can diagnose most anything with a quick Google search lol! He isn't much of a "tech".
Ace vid Bryan. I have exactly this Acer MOBO problem however I don't have the ability yet to get anywhere near Windows as its a bare board. How do I flash the bios without? Thanks mate.
My friend's Gigabyte B85 motherboard had an issue with the main bios being corrupted and just cycling from a blank blue screen (bios with only background and gigabyte logo) then rebooting. I had to short 2 pins of the bios chip to make the board think it had a corrupted bios chip and use the backup bios to make it work.
Pretty informative video from TheYESMan.
I had this problem before on two customers pc's. Started to play with ram slots and power supply got them both fixed :)
Personally , I really like those top-mounted PSU cases . PSU alone acts as exhaust & place all other fans as intakes . Simple & easy & superb low temps :)
Until your PSU itself blows up from heat lol
Sanjeev & Will -- You are both righ & also wrong . I will say , guessing by your comments , that you are in your 20s or even less than that -- & never saw the old & cheap PSUs . They were called SMPS back then & all were mounted at the top of the cases . Those all used to come with one 80 or 90 MM high-speed exhaust fan that blew air out . So is the PSU in this vid :))
Antec was the first brand that got started with bottom mounted PSUs -- & that too when 120 MM fans came into the picture that blow air into the "entrails" of a PSU . Moral of the story -- -- Please try to learn some history before posting a "cool & hip" arrogant comment :) I hope this helps you two in some way , shape or form :)
Acer makes different Bioses for their PCs to include different SLIC tables for VLK licenses of windows.
Linux means no SLIC, normal is for Win7 and not for upgrades is for the ones that were later shipping with Windows 8.
They might have diffent IDs, but are compatible. Just needs some minor tweaking to one file thats in the bios download package :)
Tested both on an Acer Veraton 3rd gen and an Acer laptop, 3rd gen :)
I like your "Bye" XDD
Nice. Spark Mandrill theme.
I had a very similar issue with a HP running a 4790. Never figured out the issue and had to swap the motherboard. I bet this was the issue as sometimes I could boot into windows after playing around with it
My computer is around 10 years old now. Do you recommend going ahead and reflashing the bios or maybe just keeping a copy of the bios on hand in case my computer starts behaving strange on boot up?
I wish I had known this about a year ago. I had the same problem with a Dell controlling a legacy piece of machinery. I ended up replacing the mb.
BIOS chip bit rot? BRILLIANT. I’ll be keeping an eye on my older machines for when this happens.
really interesting stuff, love the content!
I have this same problem with a second hand Acer I3, it came with 4 GB mem, I put in a graphics card and with wouldnt boot, took out one stick and it runs fine with but is entirely limited at 2GB. So now will try the bios update solution.
Have now done the flash and back up to 4GB. Thanks
I had this with a 80386 processor, not the CPU it’s self but the motherboard. Unfortunately it needed some crazy parameters in the BIOS that I had no idea how to configure so it was bricked from a practical point of view.
This video enlightened me. The cousin's motherboard doesn't start every time (fans spin and nothing else). Maybe if one time it started and flash the BIOS again, it might help like here :O
The music was 🔥🔥🔥
Never had a modern PC with bitrot, but my old Spectravideo 318 from 1983/84 had. (UV eprom) had to reflash the 4 chips holding the bios
i have some old cheap cdr's i burned like 19 years ago some of the zips are now corrupted lol even tho the discs are in immaculate physical condition.
I wish you had dumped the factory-installed bios and compared changes with an official bios downloaded from the manufacture website. It would have be interesting to see what was corrupted.
Had this problem, did bios and battery, works great.
Hey Bryan - I'm a storage engineer at 45 Drives. Curious what you use to store your old footage? Do you have some sort of NAS? We have worked with a ton of youtubers over the years. Are you aware of what we do?
What's the song name at 5:55?
Sounds amazing!
well I searched a bit: it must be: ua-cam.com/video/fVKzzp2xieM/v-deo.html "Mega Man X - Spark Mandrill (Remix) (Lightning Mandrill
Stone Mcknuckle)
Did u updade the bios to the latest version after this?
what gpu can fit to the oem acer pc? i saw u fit rx570, any other gpu?
Had an Intel Q55 I think that would feel neglected after a while of non-use. Had to pull power cord and CMOS battery, hit the power button to discharge then leave it for a cuppa. Then come back and boot to defaults. Then put the other 3 RAM sticks back in and play MC on the 750ti just to prove I could. The old 755 chips just can't keep up anymore...
Pulling, cleaning and reseating ram and gpu has saved a couple systems for me
With my Asus P8P67 Pro and 2500K system, if I was using 2 sticks of RAM I had to put them in slots 2 & 4 rather than 1 & 3 to get it to boot, similar to the blue slots on the board in this video. I still had to do this even after flashing the BIOS. If memory serves, no pun intended, this was pretty common back in the Sandy Bridge days ...
It is still very common, although nowadays it can usually boot fine with the RAM is 1 & 3 but it'd be less stable (for overclocks, compatibility and/or high XMP profiles)
I had to do it on a gigabyte z77 3770k
It happens to Arduino, I had to reflash again because it works fine for months then failed, thought I try reflashed and it works again, since then, must be few years, it been ok. Yes, do a reflash bios if it did happen. Other thing like bricked, I don't know.
yeah i have a corrupt bios after 11 years on a LGA 775 since this older motherboard takes 8GB ram + SSD it is actually usable for alot things im going to try to reflash bios see if it fixes it
Im using a Q8400, maybe is time to flash the bios, just in case, the bios is from 2009, I replaced the battery a few times
To answer your question about bitrot affecting other hardware. There should be no issue. Anything integrated into the motherboard gets it's firmware from the BIOS. BIOS files have for years now contained firmware patches for micro controllers and CPU's pretty much anything that would be considered integrated. This could however be an issue for something modular like a PCI device.
2 of my 3 Veritons have weird booting and not powering on issues that happen randomly. Cheers
I love how you put you glasses on professor YES 🤓🤓🤓🤓
I fixed a laptop for someone where the BIOS randomly got corrupted. The screen wouldn't turn on, however the fans would run and shut off repeatedly like it was trying to boot up but couldn't. First thing I tried was completely power discharging the board and disconnecting the battery to drain the motherboard and clear the settings, however that had no effect. Second thing I tried was swapping around the RAM in every configuration i could think of, and tried other known good sticks I had laying around and nothing worked. As a last ditch effort I tried an undocumented recovery mode bios flash from a file on a thumb drive, it reflashed the bios and miraculously the machine sprang back to life. I've never seen a machine get a corrupted BIOS before without the user directly causing it, so it was a surprise to me.
If you have the opportunity, i would recommend to change the bios rom chip aswell.. It could work for some time, and bit rot would happen again.. Maybe its just a bad cmos chip.
I had a weard problem with a MSI P45 Neo mainboard. I was possible to go into the Bios but not possible to load Windows 10 on a SSD via USB Drive. After trying a while and ensuring the USB Stick and the SSD were working i conclude the Southbridge was not working correct. Maybe a case of Bit Rot on the ICH10 Mikrochip?!? Is it possible to flash the Intel 82801 Mikrochip?
I have recently rebuilt/built 2 older processor computers, on for a friend where I put a 3770k in a 2013 Gigabyte board and the first thing I did was re-flash the bios with the latest BIOS I could find which dated from about 2017. The other was a slightly later Gigabyte board that I put a 4770k into it and did the same, re-flashed the BIOS and both work like new ones. Both are slightly faster on a single core that my workhorse Haswell E/EP 5280k running at a nominal 3.3 gig. The 6 core Haswell is a lot more powerful than the earlier 4 core i7s but for general purpose computing, the two 4 core boxes worked really well and were plenty fast enough. RE:Bitrot, I have seen it happen on older hard disks where the data has been static for some years. If the disk reformats with no errors it is usually OK.
offtopic, i see a lot of your video about using wd40 and stuff like that, i just want to know its is really remove all the corrosion from the board when gets old and how do you clean heatsinks to make it looke like new again.
what's the music being played in teh background???
It could be possible to mod a BIOS to tweak the performance of the motherboard and/or graphics card to squeeze a little bit more of performance?
No, because after you boot into the operating system, the BIOS doesn't really do anything.
What song is that in the beginning?
On relatively old PC's I found that it's mostly flat button cells corrupting BIOS settings even if the PC is plugged in. Slap in a new CR2032, do a CMOS clear and all is dandy again.
That mega man x music, nice.
I think this might have happened to me on an old, Asrock Extreme4 motherboard. It just would not post or boot, without a million resets. I troubleshooted the issue for so long. It was the most frustrating thing. Replacing the bios chip, was one of the last things I could think of, to try. So I ordered a replacement bios chip off of ebay for about 16$au. I was amazed to see that that did the trick.
Yeah I think I'm having the same issue with my EVGA SR-2
I've tried all 3 bioses, one straight up doesn't work and the other two take a long time to boot up
It's hit and miss
Sometimes it posts after a couple mins, sometimes after a couple hours after I turn it on
@@anmolsaxena_ isn't it the most frustrating thing. ... when cant get the computer on! :S wish you luck with it 🤞try & buy a replacement bios chip if you can
@@ncc1701deee I flashed the latest bios onto it
It's been working really well
Boots up without hesitation
Didn't need to replace the chip itself
i had q67h2ad with was so locked in terms of GPU support...and there was no bios fix for that
I've use 3 acer motherboard, and most of them are not compatible with recent WINDOWS 8 bios, so essentially if they release build up pc with/or without windows before windows 8 came out it will use the "L" version of the bios, some people said it was LINUX version and some says it's a LIGHT version which only supports 2/4MB bios (UEFI is 8MB or more), I've given up with older veriton which only supports sandy bridge (Q67 chipsets) and stuck with i5-2400 the good thing is it's running fine with recent GPU, however I've got newer veriton which using B75 chipset and it just refuse to boot with any Ivy bridge processor, and the worst part is that it doesnt support recent GPU (starts from GTX 700 series), and it doesn't have any bios update for "L" version.
I just "solved" a case of possible bit rot on a Nintendo 3DS. The system booted just fine, but launching any game gave me a hard crash ("unknown instruction" exception in the "loader", it said), even FBI and the Homebrew launcher threw the same exception, at the same "Program Counter" value (the Program Counter is a memory cell, or "register", that holds the address of the current instruction being executed) meaning it shouldn't be a game-specific problem, but a system-wide problem. I felt pretty not confident. Launching the game cartridge didn't work either. Had to update the CFW (I would never have guessed it even crashed if I didn't have CFW, it showed a black screen at stock settings), then update the system to current version, and still not fixed, except the cartridge. Reinstalling the games finally the trick, and I have absolutely no clue as to why.
The 3DS uses an EMMC, or what amounts to a "micro-SD card and card reader" all-in-one chip. Bit rot is definitely a possible culprit for this issue.
is there a option with "quite boot" oder "fastboot" in the bios/uefi??....i know that problem but the beepcode is 5 short beeps... try to disable fastboot mode in the bios!
It sounds like to me that its only the Bios code that seems to degrade over time. And I think that degrade happens every time you start up your computer. So if the code was copied from the original then used to start up the system then the problem of bit rot would be solved, that is until a better medium of data storage was found.
I have a PC from 2006 (P4 HT) that's still in use , mother board seems beat up .... If I cold start 50% of the time it doesn't post, but then if I let it run for a few mins on a black screen then turn off and on again it magically works.
Can u try and bliud a pc with the intel q8400 cpu?
A good rule is to flash any Bios older then 5 years, usually people dont update the bios so that solves the problem too, but if the MB has the latest bios version but its older then 5 years its good to flash before selling.
SCP VIP is great, btw. Even if something goes wrong, they have really great support and will make it work for you!
What GPU are you using with this pc?
I think that has been happening to my motherboard. But it doesnt even post now. I dont have a better so I cant hear any codes. My haswell system would just randomly crash and try to restart too. I updated the bios and it worked for a while but got worse after.
That's not really bit rot is it. I was confused until halfway through the video because I thought it was a hard drive issue, but you were saying something else.
I don't see why the term "bit rot" couldn't be used for any sort of digital data storage, including a BIOS chip.
@@stale2665 bit rot refers to the decay of the data that's being stored, not the decay of the storage medium itself. It certainly could be used to describe the decay of data on a flash chip, but it seems like what Brian was talking about, the chip itself was degrading causing the data to be unreadable.
"Data degradation is the gradual corruption of computer data due to an accumulation of non-critical failures in a data storage device. The phenomenon is also known as data decay, data rot or bit rot." -Wikipedia
I guess for lack of a better word it's not totally bad to refer to this as a bit rot but it's a bit of a stretch, because like I said it seems like what he's describing is a critical failure of the storage medium.
As far as i know usb controllers and some other devices might go with non-reprogrammable memory that have longer shelf life.
Had this problem on november of last year. Had to flash the bios to fix it. My pc was 8 years old, so I have sold it.
Will buy a new one mid or late this year.
What mobo? My gigabyte still going strong after 8 years
@@wakaflockaproject mine was GA-B85M-DS3H (also Gigabyte). But don't worry. This problem may have ocurred due to my region. (Very hot as I live in south america/Brazil).
This problem happened when i had a family trip and was out for almost a month. Once i did boot again, i had this strange problem.
Flashed the bios, then everything was fine once again.
I was already considering making a upgrade. But considered to be more worth to sell it to buy a new one after having this minor issue last year.
Yesman,I have an Intel mobo with same problem but Intel removed the bios from their site.what to do?
what kind of flasher is that? im interested..
and.. does updating bios prevents bit rot too, right?
Yes. Updating the BIOS is just flashing it with a newer version
what would you do if your overclocked pc froze and wont reboot after a romsip update im now looking for a Asus P5N32-E bios chip as i have removed mine after a 5 gig oc though i did upgrade and my i3 8100 is better then my core 2 9500
That's one of the advantages of living in Scotland, it's Baltic all the time, so you get really nice cooling.
True, did my overclock and tests whilst it was freezing, parents turned on the heating ended up roasting fx cause the bench test and clocks were set for when it was shite n freezing
Megaman X music, a man of culture :D
Spark mandrill level theme, to be exact. Never thought I'd see a cool remix of it ^^
@@Zellonous spark mandrill sounds like a gay pron star name.