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UnHerd's Freddie Sayers sits down with Aris Roussinos, Mary Harrington and Tom McTague to discuss the 2024 UK general election.
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Are the British Conservative and Labour parties really so different? For many voters, it seems, the answer is no. At least on the most important questions of the day, whether it’s immigration, war or culture. With the general election looming, UnHerd columnists Aris Roussinos, Mary Harrington and Tom McTague join Freddie Sayers for a roundtable on election ennui and ask: what are we to do with the uniparty?
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depressingly good conversation
It was shallow.
Since then... *NIGEL FARAGE is back* .
And ironically, he's taking more.. from Labour !
According to polls, Labour loses 4pts, while Reform jumps double digits, to 17 percent. Alright ! 😎✌
If you will give up your Freedom for your Comfort, you will lose both and deserve neither.
Whaaa?. What freedom?
@@casteretpollux Lost it already? Bummer.
The Uniparty has the same position on Ukraine, namely, supply the doomed Ukrainians with arms and money -- courtesy of Uncle Sam -- and endlessly poke the Russian bear. The UK is not a bull dog, it's a chihuahua.
The Russians are poking the European bear. Europe had gotten used to peace and now they are all rearming because sone morons think invading other countries and stealing their land is still a good idea.
Why would i want to be conscripted into the military of a state that is settling my sacred homeland with foreigners IN PEACETIME?!?!?!?
This isn’t peacetime. Our nation is in fact under attack, realtime.
Doing NOTHING does not make ANYONE a dissident .. it's APATHY !!!!!
Never before in history has man attempted to criminalize nature.
What do you mean? Since the very first laws were created nature has been criminalized. Going against natural evolution is an inherent part of society.
Empty statement.
I'm pleased that ì have watched this. My feelings were exactly expressed by you guests and I know that many people intuitively feel the same, but are unable to articulate what they are living through. Please have more of this, it will help discussions generally in the homes and pubs.
So correct. We are not inspired by either Labour or Conservatives who have let us down badly. My MP has been brilliant and I will vote because of that. He is a Tory. He loves his job and it shows.
And yet, the government is failing. Is your MP really EFFECTIVE, or is the brilliance limited to the way they make you feel? Over here, I believe the problem is precisely because people keep voting for ineffective representatives.
Withdrawal from the state, formation of parallel institutions outside the control of the establishment. We need to build an alternative.
I am not a Conservative member or supporter but Labour will be a nightmare.
IF you think it is bad now, wait when Labour get in the next election.
Most of our problems starting in 1997. It is very difficult to role back lots the laws, etc from then. The civil service don’t help, just look at Sue Gray.
Just look Angela Rayner, David Lammy, Emily Thornberry, Diane Abbott, Shabana Mahmood, Liz Kendall etc. None of them have any experience of life. The Peter principle applies.
Just look at Wales, Scotland or London what they will do when they get in.
Agreed, but as little as I want labour in (and I'm sure it will be a disaster) the Tories need to be given the message that they can't betray voters trust and rely on rubbish opposition.
Maybe labour is the rock bottom we need to hit to get our political act together.
Or we could all vote for anyone else... But that seems like wishful thinking.
Indeed, although we should never reward failure. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting the same results is insanity.
You seem not to have ever heard of people like Boris Johnson, a pathological narcissistic liar and Liz Truss, a psychopath, in your list!
Leave. We have and are much happier. Britain is finished .
What absolute tory tosh. Lets name some outstanding tory mp's shall we? The catastrophic Liz Truss, the mendacious Boris Johnson, the duplicitous Michael Gove, the corrupt Baroness Mone, the zionist Suella Braverman, the chancellor of the exchequer who had to resign because of tax fraud, the one that ran away into the jungle, the one who is very fond of pigs, ... do we need to go on?
So when will the masses PUSH BACK? What's it going to take?
Lots of us are trying, but who do we vote for??? And without Proportional Representation no one other than the #uniparty stands a chance of being heard! Let alone elected!!!
There won't be any push back. The masses are passive sheep that'll do whatever they're told as long as it's spun the right way. We can't vote our way out of this any more.
@@sheering09 Do what Aris said. Don't vote if there is no credible candidate or manifesto on offer. Don't people remember the catch phrase "no deal is better than a bad deal" that was repeated when the UK threatened to leave the EU with no deal and walk away from the withdrawal agreement; the equivalent argument for voting is valid "not voting is better than voting for a mediocre candidate/manifesto".
There won't be a push back. With a Labor government the deconstruction of everything British will just happen a bit faster, then the UK will break up into small nations built on race and religious lines.
The masses surrendered unconditionally in the 1960s in the US, and the 1990s in the UK.
As an American this is insightful to understand the current situation in British politics.
you think you have it bad, at least you have some truly brilliant Republican politicians, the UK have very few decent politicians of any party, full stop !!
But not so much so that you can articulate an insight. Why bother posting?
UnHerd one of the best channels on UA-cam. Amazing stuff.
its russian nazi propaganda they are paid from kremlin
Spot on. Thank you for refusing to only talk and think within the confounds of the official narrative … the other MSM do unfortunately
Great video. Here in Canada and South in the states I get the feeling that it's similar. I could almost certainly trade out our parties for yours. The sadest part is that we had the NDP led by Jack Layton, a very pro union party that gained major traction in the late 90s and early 2000s. What happened next was the party switched from being a 'for the working class' party to a 'for the minorities, everyone's a racist homophobe' party. Which as a platform doesn't actually amount to anything real. I
Just virtue signaling garbage. We're going to see our conservative party roll in. The lesser of three evils, but evil none the less. He'll abolish environmental protection and support all natural resource corporations and make it easier for them to make money and not worry if they spill out or create mass deforestation. There's no winning here either
Dude it is worse than that here. In BC the NDP have gone full racist and decided that you have to confer with the natives to get water leases. They outright state that they are going to privilege groups based on skin colour. And they do not seem the exception. The left as a whole in our country seems to h gone full racist.
Get Richard Tice on, and find out how bad his party's policies are. Better than dismissing them without any investigation.
Perfect title
Spot on Freddie.
I've been old enough to vote in the past five general elections, yet i never did, not out of lack of interest, but simply because none of the parties on offer were good enough for me. Also because of where i live, FPTP etc. People in my personal life always criticised me for this. It's "your duty", "if you don't vote you can't complain" etc they'd say... Well, they're not saying that now...
If you sit around doing nothing long enough you wind up looking correct about some worthless point. Don't break an arm patting yourself on the back.
The bilge of the ship of UK state is so overgrown with barnacles that it can no longer make forward passage. Nothing will improve until the barnacles are scraped off the bilge.
Unfortunately there is a huge amount of resistance to any essential repairs. I sense it will only be when we're taking on water and clearly sinking that the Establishment will have to accept the realities that we've been calling out for years. Power is seldom, almost never, willingly relinquished.
Barnacles do not grow on a bilge, they grow on a hull.
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I've seen all episodes of Yes Minister, which is something of an optimism killer. I fear it's the people against the entrenched Civil Service with an ineffectual sandwich layer of politicians in between. The choice facing the voter is the flavour of the sandwich - ineffectual careerists or active enablers of the bureaucracy.
Reform
Spot on. Thanks for your efforts at keeping it real. A great contribution.
Lousy shallow discussion left out most important points like directly improving the lot of working people.
Not a word about the British Worker's Party. Not a word about MONEY running the nation. Not a word about that in order to have a satisfied nation you might have a satisfied Middle Class. Instead; "Britain is a nation built for the good of billionaires and millionaires and that works fine and should not be touched, now about the irritating problem of all the fussy people with no money."
Not a word about WHY the presentation of options for change are so meager, which is that the super rich are happy, and they ballast the ship, and we cannot mentally approach changing that.
Thanks. Start a channel
They brought the frog to a boil in the UK, unlike in Ireland where the brought the pan to the boil, then tossed the frog in!
Don't not vote, Aris - spoil your ballot rather and have our collective dissatisfaction counted. X
Low turnout is important. It's evidence of people not engaging with the pantomime.
@@jackiedelvalle- predictions? 63% turnout?
@@jackiedelvalle Sure, but spoiling is at least actively not engaging, if you'll excuse the contradiction.
Vote for the Citizen Independents or The Workers Party of Britain to end the reign of the Uniparty Criminal Collective!!!
or Reform
either is good at this point. Anyone but uniparty
@@bigmac786 And get everybody out.....that's where majorities hide!!!
@@bigmac786
Excellent talk of the kind not heard on BBC etc. Valiant attempt by Freddie to get the bloke to explain what the glimmer of hope was, which he could or would not do.
Aris spot on at the end. "To the centrist dads, look around modern Britain. This is the world you wanted."
"Real uniparty centrism hasn't been tried yet"
All the ingredients for demagoguery
Summed up how I'm feeling about this election.
Thank you. This is great!
Thanks Freddie and the gang.
Disaffection is a reasonable response to current politics - I feel that way too - but I'm still voting Labour just because the Tories need time out of power to sort themselves out. Mary Harrington says national elections and politics are post-national. So why did she think Brexit was ever going to work?
I despair that people are resigned to Labour winning, so will not bother voting. If everyone got out and voted for parties other than the usual 3 traditional parties, surely this would put some different politicians into parliament, and send a big message to the parties?
I agree, and those who have Party of Women (POW) candidates should vote for them - so that at least there’s a few MPs in the House who will go into battle against the gender regime & womens’ loss of rights.
I think a major reason there isn't a broader agenda in our politics is that we don't have proportional representation. I really think it has become a necessary change.
The Westminster system is not completely broken. We love its basic form here in Australia. What appears to be broken (admittedly from a distance) is your election process of first past the post.
I don’t think the constitution is broken. It’s the people who are broken. An elite (both sides) that is corrupt and cynical and out of touch.
Speak for yourself. Our last census shows that if you have a grandparent born in the country, even just one, you are a minority and your vote doesn't count. Since then we have had several years of the highest immigration on record. In addition Albo has been bringing in 2000 Palestinian refugees a week for about six months now. They don't count as immigrants, but they can vote.
The LNP is saying they will bring in slightly less immigrants than Labor if we vote for them. Really we've had a mono party for years too. No matter who you vote for the policies never change. The only things so called conservative parties conserve is bad Labor policy.
Wake up. This is not democracy.
Your thoughts on George Galloway?
Thank You, Brilliant conversation.
I found the bit about a politician’s intuitions instead of their policies a very helpful way of navigating my voting decision.
True Reflections of our feelings!
Mary Harrington makes no sense. She says Brexit - which she and UnHerd campaigned for - was a necessary reassertion of the nation-state, then argues that the nation-state is in fact dead and a transnational system might be the 'least worst option'. What? You mean a transnational system like the EU? At least she has the honesty to admit that the Brexit vote wasn't a substantive vote for reviving British sovereignty but a gut reaction to immigration. Except that the immigration most people were concerned about wasn't from Europe but from other parts of the world and, as she admits, Brexit may have thwarted EU immigration but actually increased immigration from elsewhere. In fact, immigration is mentioned throughout this discussion, but no one has the guts to say that it's not immigration per se that really wound people up, but Muslim immigration and, increasingly, how society is going to integrate Muslims already in the country.
Brexit was not the problem, it is the globalist political class in the UK that are beholden to special interests that want/need unlimited immigration. And not just for economic reasons... Brexit was a good thing, but the people were betrayed by the politicians... saying this as an EU national living in the UK...
She argues that the nation state is dead because our so called elected leaders refuse to reinstate statehood.
We could pull out of the United Nations, World Health Organisation, The Human Rights Act, World bank etc and bring home real power. These transnational institutions do nothing to benefit us that fund them.
The truth is our technocrats like these organisations, they do almost nothing of value but provide them with well paid jobs, jet set life style and make them feel more important than they really are.
She is right and as Brexit has shown our leaders are completely impotent.
Partly true, but no one anticipated that the Conservatives would just outright lie and turn on the immigration taps after the Brexit vote. And that betrayal is why most of us on the Right want to see the death of that Party. We thought we'd be erasing EU laws, detaching from ECHR and and becoming a world trading nation. The Conservatives totally ignored the possibilities Brexit offered and took the cowardly route of essentially remaining an EU satellite and importing a Deliveroo workforce. As Matt Goodwin has said on Spiked, Immigration has been used to plug all the gaps in our economy and infrastructure just to keep the old ship afloat for a few more years. Essentially, duct tape repairs of a sinking ship. Only a serious crisis of some sort will be enough to shake the ruling class out of their Liberal/Globalist stupor.
Immigration by people who assimilate is generally beneficial, and at least tolerable. Immigration by people who have no intention of ever assimilating is an invasion.
Simply because there is a larger amount of ignorant people with a negative reaction to the race or religion of one group doesn’t make everyone involved a bigot. If a truck spills a bunch of merchandise on a street there will be more theft than if the goods got to the store. That doesn’t mean every witness hates trucks.
Those playing the race card are worse than the bigots who are simply ignorant.
You will not integrate Muslims, you will be dominated 😂. Weak cultures cannot resist the cultural and political efforts of a strong culture like the Muslim one. You have fallen for the secular liberal fiduciary's tale, this liberal luxury thinking only works in societies that are culturally integrated even with small divergences, this integration took place through Christianity and its influence on culture.
The UK political system is totally broken. If you look around the world you'll see great empires grow, peak and then collapse into pieces. For example India was not a nation state when the Mongols turned up and then the British after them, it was like a collection of 50 or so small countries. The UK is going to do the same thing and it will probably do it along race lines and religion lines. Wars will almost certainly break out and lands will be exchanged. Huge numbers will die from a shortage of energy, food, killing each other in wars and possibly nuclear exchange. Does it matter? No, its all part of the cycle of life and gives us a chance to start again with new ideas a new fresh buildings.
This is the reality of first past the post voting systems. England had a chance to change it 10 years ago and you blew it. I've come to realise the problem with most western democracies, its not the politicians, it's the voters
A contradiction here. Blaming the voters for a defunct system. Haven't I heard that argument before?
In New Zealand where we have a proportional representation system. We're really only slightly better off in some ways and worse off in others. I agree that having mostly incompetent or apparently malevolent polititions is down to failure by the voters. I think that the people believe that voting is all they need to do. They actually have to actively rebuild their communities and culture. Government won't, nay can't, do that.
@@sallydeb I agree. But I do think you have it significantly better in NZ. Take the ACT party, in just a few elections they've gone from being unheard off to being in government. That can only happen in PR. In majoritarian systems like Australia and the UK, major parties only worry about losing to the other major party, they rely on you hating the other guy more than you hate them. The voters in reality have little choice but to choose between the lesser of two evils. Under PR it's possible for minor parties to rise up relatively quickly and start stealing votes from the major parties and under PR that means the major parties lose power, under majoritarian systems it doesn't mean they lose power because it's an all or Nothing system & one of the two always end up in government.
You wouldn't want just two phone companies or supermarkets, you would probably get crap service and pay too much, you'd rather have 10. I think the same for political parties, it's a much better system where you have multiple parties that can reflect the broad views in the community & they have to work together to form a coalition to form government. It also makes it relatively easy to change the culture and direction of government, just contrast Europe which is almost entirely PR with the UK. PR isn't perfect & there is a lot of flavours, MMP which is what you guys have is just one, but its definitely more democratic than what we have.
They system on offer wasn't PR.
@@Christoph1888
Yes that’s the slightly better part. However The ACT Party is pretty much wedded to the centre right National party. As have our Marxist Greens and our Labour Party on the left.
Both ACT the Greens have played this role of supporting the centre left or centre right for decades and the centre has steadily shifted more left and more big government.
So reject the uniparty and vote Reform.
An excellent discussion by all here. Sadly this is an honest summary of where we are. Things will have to get worse (and they will) before they get better? Yes, but currently anyone who tries to stand against the status quo is labelled 'far right'.
Be careful the taking time let's them set the stage to completely disempower you. Here in Australia more than half the people voting are recent immigrants, according to census information. And we've had record high immigration since. Democracy and immigration is a joke. Zero chance of a far right government now we are not really democratic. That's what they'll do to you.
This UK election reminds me of the Juice Media "Honest Government Ads" -- Shit vs Shit Lite
It seems to me the problem is that many countries are facing the end stage of how representative democracies work. The problems being faced aren't dire enough that you are going to have a Caesar or Napoleon seizing power and fixing things by decree. One alternative to representatives to implement democracy is sortition, picking citizen leaders randomly, but having a completely broad franchise with no property or service requirements, combined with the demonstration of how grand juries in the US can be manipulated by motivated prosecutors, that method seems unlikely to work now, unlike it did fairly well in ancient Greece. Another idea would be agent based democracies. In this case, you would basically have direct democracy, but you be able to select one or more agents to study the issue and vote your proxy. By choosing different agents to vote your proxy on different issues, and being able to replace your agent whenever you chose, you would have have greater control. You wouldn't have to buy into a single party manifesto, but would have your own manifesto.
Mary, you resumed everything with the title of the blue book behind you.."Another life is possible".
I'm 47 and in my entire adult life every government has been virtually identical in policy terms. They've given away most of their power now too -- private finance controls our fiscal policy (remember the mini budget?) and the BoE controls monetary policy.
I've always been politically engaged but for the first time I'm thinking of not bothering voting. Green Party would get my vote but they have zero chance of winning a seat so what's the point?
Spoil your ballot?
I understand what you’re saying. The market rules. Look at the reaction to Truss. Neither Left nor Right can trump market forces.
The Green Party is a waste of time - mostly nutters hell bent on elevating gender ideology even further, with little regard for environmental issues any longer, sadly.
Mary Harrington is indeed quite contradictory. Arguing for the nation state and then saying that its passing is an inevitability, so “let’s be done with it.”
Her “reactionary feminism,” likewise, is contradictory. She is by far the most intelligent one on the panel, but her efforts to frame things correctly, while at times praiseworthy, leave much to be desired due to a corrosive pessimism.
Britain can pull out of its mess if it looks to its enemy of the last generation, Argentina, now governed by libertarians who take no prisoners among the statists. Instead, Britain is rapidly becoming the MOST statist society in human history - where public demonstrations that are not approved are smashed, where digitized files on everyone are at every policeman’s fingertips, where total surveillance is the norm, where de-banking for unpopular views is expected, and where elections are a farce between two “political parties” that agree that Britain must die for being “racist, misogynist, homophobic, Christian nationalist, etc.” and other sins against the real religious extremists among the technofeudal Gnostic lords and ladies hellbent on setting up an AI Cathedral to be worshipped and never questioned, much like the medieval Catholic Church of 1000 years ago.
Some good points, well done. About time we had appropriate discussions.
"He (Starmer)will love the International Court of Justice". Freddie, where have you been since 7th October!
The real solution is to stop voting for political parties altogether. We need independents who have no party overseers. And no commitment to party policies. It's the only way to destroy the lock-hold of the financial mafia machine.
All voted independents are "in power". There is no "shadow party".
Yes, independents don't have to sacrifice their knowledge and expertise to conduct themselves as their party sees fit. Political parties are marketing and brand devices that prioritise winning power, not the best interests of the nation!
The real tragedy is that England needs America’s libertarianism, and America needs England’s stability.
Spot on 👍 ! People are to busy surviving no time for same old same old politics , we need change …
Great discussion. Well done
"You don't have to say that on this channel" says Freddy. But actually, it's the pride and glee with which you say that, Freddy, which means precisely that he has to say that on Unherd. Because although your stated position is open-mindedness - wherever the facts lead - in practise in many areas the atmosphere is one of conforming... just to a counterculture rather than the mainstream.
Well, that just filled us all with optimism for the short and medium-term future...
Very helpful conversation we need to think about new ideas
The new ideas will arise from the ashes after the inevitable breakdown of society as they described. We're not far from there, worryingly.
Anyone ever hear of the peasants' revolt? The Glorious Revolution? History is so interesting.
The peasants revolt didn't end too good for the peasants.
Politics without the underlying philosophy which it requires, becomes no more than a pragmatic rain dance.
When will you have Galloway on your show? I know he is a bit of an asshole, but he is absolutely correct that Lab and Con are two cheeks of the same backside. So why dont we try an asshole instead of a but cheek for once.
He’s been on already.
Some very naive comments from the panel (migration is well over a million per year and it is absolutely deliberate) but a good discussion.
The tories are finished, labour will soon be finished and then we can move on to an adult arena.
So, in short, we're fucked and there is no point even trying to do anything about it?
What a load of crap.
This talk of mass migration and the need to lower it is hollow without providing answers to questions of demographic collapse, what is the alternative?
0:02 Depressingly correct discussion. Personally I see no hope for the future. I'd vote for none of the above if available. In my opinion its total lack of understanding how Government finances actually work.
Get Prof Steve Keen on for the truth on Government finance. Even your commentators seem to fall for the fantasy world of mainstream economics.
It must be wonderful to live in country where never party threatens your access to abortion and contraception .
It is. But I notice that everybody who is pro abortion has already been born !
Never party? - "never, never land"
Great video
This is the shit in the water election. On that you do have a choice an easy one. 🤣🤣
Please please update now that Nigel Farage has announced his intention to stand as MP and leader of the Reform Party. If we abolished the first past the post system, then everybody's vote would count ie if we had Proportional Representation.
Aris is spot on. The decision not to vote is far more meaningful than resigning to vote Labour, and signalling consensus in the existing system.
There was a chance for real change, his name was Jeremy Corbin. He was politically assassinated by his own party. Do a deep dive into his character assassination. It would make an interesting segment
Well done John Smith! Yes...being objective and middle of the road is code for accepting the status quo. I am not here advocating one political party over another...I am saying there is truth out there and you can get close to it. But as you say, if you ignore The Workers Party or any analysis of how capitalism works, you end up with this sort of bewildered despair. By the way, imagine if Galloway had been debating Sunak last night on ITV. He would have answered every point and had the audience roaring but Starmer is powerless because he is simply a Tory, without the punch.
€unt$ r still running the world
How pathetic that the one contributor is thinking of not voting when for the first time there are options for independents like Workers Party etc. Why would you not screw the establishment by giving a protest vote for someone else and scare the living bejezuz out of the uniparty?
First past the post with geographic districts. Your protest vote doesn't scare the bejezuz out of the uniparty. It is just noise that can be safely ignored by professional politicians.
As long as we are able, we should always vote, but we should vote with a realistic view of what voting is - the ability to choose whose political career to advance. That is the only power voting provides. The uniparty changes over time and via the individuals within it.
One potential approach is to advance those individual MP candidates most likely to pursue a different point of view i.e. those least likely to be party people - regardless of party...knowing they all have to be party people to some extent to get on the ballot paper at all. If they have been Councillors, or are standing MPs, who have never voted against their leaders, they are a lost cause.
Also going to repeat my regular PSA - pursue the democratisation of international governance organisations before the power shift is too far gone and the opportunity is lost.
I think the boredom and frustration derives from the exasperation of control freakery messaging and policy making by both parties - as the electorate is having discussions about the real issues.
Mary, maybe move the period door handle 18cm downwards
I have never seen Aris Roussinos so physically sad, especially being the leftist-leaning of the three (and of the Unherd writers). I share his thoughts and cynicism, but I was not expecting that sad look! I only wish some of the people (or a group) from UnHerd would be a spin-off in politics, as it would be the alternative party/movement that lots of politically homeless people are looking for!
"Radical right" = every day normal common sense of 25 years ago
Well, the nation is indeed in a dire state. On a mildly more positive note, Mary your hair was magnificent (and chaps you all looked dapper too). At least we can look good while the ship sinks I suppose!
Not voting means more votes for Tories, as pensioners WILL vote. Who is this guy? What a stupid stance to say publicly. What about the Green party??? How utterly irresponsible
Do you know much about the Green Party? Find out before you cast a vote for them. I was a member for many years & still in contact with many still hanging on. The leadership is insane. The party has been colonised by genderists and now the antisemites are moving in. The party behaves undemocratically & is frankly, corrupt. Look at what happened to Green Party Women, Shahrah Ali, Emma Bateman & many more. Look at how they've messed up Brighton & Bristol. I wouldn't trust them to care for a hamster let alone our country
Listening to Brits complain about being an American puppet brings me great joy.
It needs to be the NET Zero policies election.
Correct … The fraud around Net Zero is staggering … Do this …
Google “how much CO2 increase global temperature by one degree?”. Answer 1 million million tons.
Google “how much CO2 does the UK emit per year?”. Answer 400 million tons.
Divide the second number by the first.
Now you have the impact of UK Net Zero on global temperature. Answer; 0.0004 C per year.
Yep, If everybody in the UK gives up their gas heating, cooking, and cars and we shut down all industry and agriculture global boiling will be reduced by 4 thousandths of one degree C per year.
Correct.
Google “how much CO2 increases global temperature by one degree C?” (1 million million tons).
Google “how much CO2 does UK emit per year?” (400 million tons).
Divide the second number by the first for the reduction in global temperature from UK Net Zero.
Answer; 0.0004 degrees Centigrade per year. That’s four ten-thousandths of one degree C per year.
If only we could have some kind of global reset . . . . . .
Zero seats
Ooh that was cheery
The reality right now isn't cheery and that's what they were discussing.
Not voting is never effective. Quite the opposite. The politicians quite rightly see your not voting as affirmation of their politicking.
Go vote! Vote neither or write in someone or vote for the least popular choice or whatever your system allows. The politicians will only change or be changed when the incumbent politicians get a low percentage of the votes.
Raise the Denominator!
Protest votes don't work either, except as spoilers. In that case, you are essentially voting for your less favored choice. By not voting, you are sending a signal that the system is broken.
@@richdobbs6595 That’s only because more are holding their noses and voting. That enables the bipolar, incompetent, clowns who play to the base and play games rather than lead. In the state of Georgia in 2020 there were tens of thousands of neither votes, which Trump then was convinced were for him and not counted properly because it’s not happened in recent memory. People simply skipped the first line and voted for the rest of the ballot.
Listening to pollsters and pundits they are now just figuring out how it will play out if it keeps happening. It will create an inevitable race to the middle to get those votes. Cooperation and competence will have to improve or voters will simply not support incumbents. Well, who wants to spend the time and effort to get into Congress only to be labeled a failure after one term? Not many. The clowns will either shape up or stop running because they will be pressured to actually work instead of grandstand for small donations all day.
A serious nation, with pretensions to global significance, cannot get stuck on democracy as its most precious value. Democracy is a tool, not an end in itself. It is a counterbalance to the power of the elite. It is a necessary evil, necessary to good governance. It is not itself good governance.
A town hall, where everybody gets to have their say and everybody's upraised hand can be counted, can be a workable democracy. Anything larger has to depend on representative democracy. However, when you do that, you give up your privilege of being directly heard and having your pet issue taken seriously. Your job is to select serious and hopefully principled representatives.
Once those representatives are elected you should go back to your life and not worry about national politics until the next election. If you selected well there should be no need to worry.
Spoil Your Ballot…
Green Hydrogen is the way to go, jobs, energy, independence, and fixing the climate debacle all in one program
The level of this conversation is appallingly low. Why don't they start by defining what a Nation State is, and what historical context made this creation possible? As the context changes, so must the political system and the way power is mediated. Once upon a time, the divine right of the kings was legitimate, the context changed and suddenly, it wasn't anymore. More precisely, it became apparent the model was inferior to the democratic model, which was better able to mobilise the resources of the nation. Now, the context has changed again. Technology, the enormous demands for natural resources required by our modern way of life, the emergence of social media, has changed the context again. Whether we like it or not, nation states cannot compete against continent states like the US, China or even Russia. The small, relatively resource poor European states will have to find a solution in order to maintain their independence, as well as the standard of life for their citizens. Fragmentation will only mean irrelevance and powerlessness.
First of all you have to change the election system
It won’t be sufficient but it would trigger a change
Do you live on the moon , behind closed doors they're all the same, look at the rats changing ships.
I would only vote conservative to keep labour out.
People like Aris scare the hell out of me.
Good. There are many like him.
Referendums on big issues, ban foreign lobbying! Bring back BoE while independent only individuals get rich, not the country and all the people
Nice splice at 5:24… she must have have gone on to say “..by importing..” I wonder what actually came next?
We need "common sense " party. Mixed with socialists, capitalists and more. The further left the left go, the further right the right go. And vice versa. The middle way is the best way.
I understand Mary's doubts about the nation state, but I think it is organically much too strong.