The Hybrid AWD RAV4 has an extremely long waiting period and its price keeps rising, almost $10,000 higher than the Forester. How many years do I need to drive a hybrid to save this $10,000 in fuel costs?
@@Тымненравишься-ь7пif you want it, until it gets there but keep hunting. 2021 I waited about a month and wound up grabbing somebody else's who fell through. Snapped it up while it was still on the truck. Shop around actively while its on the back burner. If you find one earlier and you're not picky about the color take it. We were on the wait list at six dealers, and it didn't really matter which hybrid we were after unless it was a prius. On the other hand, Subaru's usually got inventory of whatever you want. When I bought my Ascent last year I had my pick of colors trims and extras. Anything but the WRX or the BRZ was readily available or on the way. Edit: Southern US for reference, and I love both brands. Whatever fits your needs and tastes. 👍
Nothing beats Subaru’s symmetrical all wheel drive. I just got a crosstrek, took it to the top of Burroughs mountain and granted it’s not a hard core jeep trail but it’s still pretty rough and the Subaru just didn’t care. Was completely comfortable climbing and going over rocks and roads with deep ruts, just had to pick my line and the car does the rest.
@@OceanVibartions yup, just pick the line that avoids bottoming out (it’s almost 9” clearance but that’s not a lot on some roads) and it does really well. The X-modes make it really easy, especially going down hill you don’t even need to touch the brakes, it keeps it at a nice slow speed for the angle of the descent.
They are nice, I just hate how it's the boxer engine, if you ever work on your own vehicle there casual maintenance that should be easy but made harder due to the set-up. I would get one but I won't be the one working on it with love. Honda and Toyota I can and love working on those.
As a long term Toyota owner, I think we all know Subaru's AWD system is better than Toyotas. But that's not why we buy Toyotas. We buy them because you can put 400-600k km on one and it will still run like new. Besides, crossovers aren't meant to be serious off-road vehicles -- they're meant to get you to your campsite and handle on-road snow, which they both do just fine. So let's not pretend anyone is taking either of these cars on the Rubicon trail.
@@Campers5 simmer down mate, “better” is subjective to the individual. Besides that, if you, in all your impressive wisdom, side with the data, Toyota has far more models on the road with high km and fewer repairs. At that point it becomes about how often you’d like your chariot to be repaired innit?
Totally agree but you forgot to mention that Toyota is a lot more expensive to buy used, so you can pay less for a less durable car, or more on a very durable one.... it kinda evens out... and even talking about new cars, here in japan the forester is a lot cheaper than a new Hybrid Rav
@@clozedcaskets1438 the problem on Subaru is the CVT gearbox! It seriously limits it's awd capabilities it's not a strong enough gearbox for such applications
When I was comparing SUV's such as Toyota RAV 4 , Honda, Kia, & Nissan, in AWD system, price, options, Subaru came out on top. I'm now the proud owner of a 2024 Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness, All I can say is wow! Exceeded all expectations, and I'm loving it !!!!!
Congratulations! Subies definitely seem like the best overall deal rn. I'm pretty happy with my Ascent but I'm considering getting a manual Crosstrek as a third to play with since it's basically a modern Impreza Outback Sport. Theres a lot of room for customization and parts for both the impreza and crosstrek are easy to find.
For anyone who wants the truth about the systems and how they perform, go watch Driving Sports TV. He rigorously tests both these vehicles as well as the Outback. In the end, both Subarus do have a better AWD system stock from the factory than the RAV4, but the RAV4 is still a good system. Suburu has been AWD in almost all its vehicles since the early 90’s; they’re better at it. Also the tires in these cars off the lot are very similar, so weak argument there.
Nah Toyota doesn't us a proper AWD system the RAV4 is FWD the AWD system is on turn on electronically when there's wheel spin which doesn't work well at all Mazda, Honda and some other brands use similar systems. Subaru use their symmetrical AWD system which powers all wheels all the time and will vary power to each wheel based on traction this Is done using a viscous center differential which is a superior system, I would say it's as good if not better than Audi's quattro system
can confirm, i wear birks and am buying a Rav4 hybrid im too tall (6ft5) for a Rav4 (2019+).. Lexus RX450 hybrid (2017+) it is boys! (2.2 inches more headroom)
😂😂 True, but the Subaru is pretty capable. Last month I was camped in Northern Montana. Had three days of rain. 4wd pickups and ATVs were stuck in the "gumbo". I swear, the only thing driving around was a Subaru Cross Trek.
My 2011 outback has passed giant lifted trucks that were stuck in a foot deep of loose sand ruts. I always loved the reactions I'd get back then bc Subarus weren't as popular. Lol😊
This is a piss-poor test since they're using a hybrid RAV4 the regular RAV4 is actually really solid and if you get a TRD off-road model that steps up the game by allowing more wheel lock up with electronic clutches in the rear but Subaru's all-wheel-drive system is not a full lockup either uses a fluid-filled clutch type deal and I'm pretty sure all those Subarus are CVT transmissions which are absolute crap off road at least when you go with the standard RAV4 you get a regular eight-speed Auto with a torque converter in general Superior off-roader
I watched the original video months ago. If I recall correctly, the RAV4 actually completed all of the tasks about as well as the Forrester. I think they just had to changed a terrain setting on the RAV4.
@@alsheremetayou can clearly see that rav4 lock isnt engaged here,only the computer trying to send more power to one wheel,when you turn rear diff lock and put in low gear it will send 55/45 or 50/50power on the wheels.With some small mods it will eat the forester because it has no lock,but a awd system controlled by a cpu...Me and my friend tried going forester vs rav4 but those were like 2007 models and my rav chewed him up everywhere.Ofcourse i have a performance lift kit and skid plates and no stabiliser bars in the back,because then the rear wheel wont hang in the air 😂
Fun fact: RAV4 was build under D-Segment platform, while Forester was under C-Segment platform. From the chassis itself, Forester already killed many upper class Crossovers than itself.
I off road a lot , I get into 4 lo at least twice a week and if your looking at these with no off road experience and want free real world advice here it goes , these awd systems are all equally as worthless they don’t get good till you blow about 45k , I’ve seen some Honda passports way out on the trails they are impressive .Check the tire size these come with and see if a good all terrain comes in that size some companies are making them now and they will help you out tons! Air down! Air down off road to at minimum 18psi this will increase your foot print and also aide in puncture resistance as well as soften those wash board roads we all love so much , buy a good powerful air compressor to air back up . Find your strong points on the car you can get winched out by , we don’t leave anyone behind so if you’re stuck we are getting you out and will need to know your tow or winch points . Invest in a come along and a tow strap in case no one is around to help you and there’s a tree near . Tell people where you’ll be in case you don’t make it back they’ll know where to have the rangers look . Be nice and wave on the trails , vehicle traveling up hill has right of way pull to the side and let them pass , see you out there .
My 06 X-Trail would eat those tests for lunch while towing one of those cars up the trail. Nothing beats old-school quality Nissan automatic AWD with it's perfect and seamless Brake Lock Differential system
The rav4 was in 2 wheel for half of this and the driver was incompetent. There is a reason toyotas are seen in offroad communities and foresters are seen at grocery stores.
Body on frame Toyotas belong off-road but rav4 should never leave the pavement! Most Subarus are beasts off-road for what they are and they have the best AWD system on or off the pavement. Also most Subarus have 8.7in of ground clearance stock and with a 2in lift and some bigger tires will have 12in of ground clearance which is more that a lot of Jeeps. Unfortunately Subarus don’t have a low gear so they can’t really do a lot of rock crawling.
Nonsense! In the Northern Rockies Subarus are seen everywhere. The reason the Toyota was in 2wd "half the time" is because IT IS two wheel drive. Ravs are slip and grip cars. The rear wheels only kick in AFTER the front wheels slip. Subarus are full time AWD. All four wheels get power all the time. Big difference!
I see Toyotas in parking lots more than off road rofl we take our Subarus out in woods all the time. I mean we take whatever out in the woods all the time as well, but I just took the forester sport out yesterday for some fun.
What wasn’t mentioned was what drive mode was used, what gear was used, what tires used for each car. So were they both the same or did one have the upper hand because they used proper settings?
Why'd the Forester get AWD and the Rav 4 only front wheel drive also both had wrong tires and the Rav 4 was straight sending it while the Forester knew to stop once it lost traction
Oh come on… at least use the non-hybrid Edge for this comparison… I’m sure the outcome might still be in Foresters favour but at least the RAV4 will have a mechanical AWD
Managed to get my Forester stuck in loose sand at the beach with all weather tires. Put it on x-mode (mud), got it unstuck and back on the road. Love it!
@@CarExpertAusWould be great if you guys could do a similar test with Toyota Corolla Cross and Crosstrek class of vehicles. The door flex test on its competitors would be pretty interesting.
u should watch the whole video and there were many other suv too. haval outlander and forester did the best out of all rest suv. and was tested by one driver
I think the tests are used to determine the limits of the vehicle. Not what they typically do day to day. Actually you can expect the Forester to do this with good tires.
Won’t matter rofl for all we know it’s the same driver. I saw some people say this or that about a bunch of things, but the one that sticks out is people thinking they stopped using the gas on the Subaru when it was really the robots telling the computer to adjust where the power was going for better traction&what not. RAV4 doesn’t have a true AWD like Subaru, that’s the plain fact of it.
Both of this vehicles will do great grocery shopping and picking up the kids from school. You can’t go wrong. If you want to do off-road. There are better options.
I suppose if I'm climbing logs and driving over offset moguls, the Forester is great, but in the real world, I would have something with an engine that'll go half a million miles before it's toast. I'll take the Toyota, thanks.
Subarus with proper maintenance do real well as well. That’s why Subaru has gotten a better reliability over the years despite people jumping on the bandwagon of hating stuff because others do. Subaru has a better percentage of vehicles on the road still than Toyota or Honda
@@QHalvorson I'm not on the bandwagon of hating things because others do. I'm on the bandwagon of blown Subaru head gaskets are a ridiculously common and seriously expensive inconvenience. Don't get me wrong. Once upon a time, Subaru had reliable engines. I had a 1987 GL10 wagon that went 477k miles before the midline engine gasket let go. That's why I bought another Subaru. And when the head gasket blew at 90k miles, I found out that was pretty much a universal problem. And that's when I walked away from the brand.
@@parselx3588 idk where you get your information from, but unless your redlining your car from every red light and stop sign, you should be fine. It's not hard to maintain your car and take it for servicing. 8 year old car, yet not a single issue. just take care of your car mate.
You can see the FWD bias during the log climb which makes it extremely difficult for the front tires to grip. I can see how Suburu has been always using a better AWD system than the RAV4. This RAV4 is definitely an improvement over the last generation with more electronic off road features but it is very heavily reliant on the brakes to transfer torque from a slipping wheel to wheel with traction.
Man i may be in the minority but i feel like these should have been abke tl tackle those easier than that. Whats the point of awd if youre still spinning that much
Toyota is respectable in its ability to get you to and from somewhere and it does so reliably. A Subaru is also just as reliable, but Subaru can do just about everything a Toyota can’t, it handles snows, rough rugged terrain, ice, and honestly a lot of other things.
They compared the Forester to the weakest RAV4 Edge 😂 The clever rear diff, traction programs and even downhill descent mitigation are all limited to the gas powered Edge. The hybrid doesn't have these features. BTW, why not compare the Subaru to the TRD RAV4?
If it's anything to go by, I had my pontiac in the shop for repair years ago, when I went to pick it up the mechanic gave me keys to an audi that was out front by accident, I told him "I don't think these keys are for mine, but I'd be happy to take it!" And he replied "You wouldn't be happy with an audi, keep the pontiac it'll last longer" The audi was about a decade newer than my car too.
@@matan6737 lol no shit, of course a 4 runner would be better, and a full size Bronco would be better obviously. I’m just saying I had a Ford Bronco Sport badlands… and I did Moab’s Hells Revenge Hells gate obstacle. Go do a UA-cam search for “Bronco Sport and Hells Gate Moab”
Nonsense!!! This is the hybrid version with a very weak rear electric motor you can see all the torque in the front toasting the tires! The real RAV4 traditional awd Is very good like it or not
Had a 19 adventure lifted and 35s. It was sweet looking and hung with Rubicons. We did quite impressive stuff with it. At 46k miles it could'nt handle the abuse so we had everything fixed under warranty and traded it in. It was my wifes and she got a new acura rdx as it fit her life better
Because it's the hybrid Toyota and that the regular AWD system is actually much better than this lol!!! The hybrid has a less powerful rear electric motor so there is no connection between front and rear between the axles.
@grege9244 My wife's 2017 Subaru has had I had gaskets blow, and the transmission go out. And that was before 100,000 miles. On the other hand my Toyota's. I can't really talk about my new one because it's new. But my supra has 300,000 miles And still has the original engine and transmission. My mom's toyota, my dad's toyota, can say the same thing
I know for a fact the RAV4 trd off road trim with better off road tires would smash this test as for the Subaru it’s needs better tires as well and this test would’ve been right on the money for these two.
The trd off road would have been a much better comparison. Even just the base non-hybrid would have been better. The hybrid is nice, but with no real connection between ICE front axle and electric rear axle, it's always gonna struggle in moderate off-road conditions
Unfortunately for the Rav4 TRD, the tires are faux-ATs and the torque-vectoring differential is too slow to respond and too conservative with the amount of power it shifts between the wheels (making it kinda useless).
Buenas fredy felicitarte por la review!, siempre son bienvenidas las criticas, y mas cuando son constructivas estoy de acuerdo contigo que su autonomia de combustible no es buena, y la caja cvt la hace lenta,me ubiece gustado que toques puntos como la representación, el costo de mantenimiento, precio de las refacciones que creo que son los puntos negativos de la subaru crosstrek,PERO, debiste informate mejor sobre el auto, en la suspensión no hay rival en su categoria, en la seguridad no hay rival en su categoria, en su armado estructural no hay rival en su categoria, en calidad no hay rival en su categoria, el sistema de seguridad del crosstrek si funciona de verdad, frenando cuando alguien cruza e incluso girando a un lado si estas distraido, la estructura del auto es muy rigida, en choques el vehículo no se deforma permitiendo abrir las puertas, tambien en off road puede tener 1 llanta al aire y puedes abrir las puertas normal, la parte de abajo del auto esta reforzada con placas de acero un crossover en toda regla, tambien resaltar que es de los poco autos que son 100% japoneses, y no se le desajustan las partes sonando como cascabel, las luces giran, el AWD symetrical no hace que derrape en lluvia, hay varias cosas que la hacen la mejor de la categoría no solo se trara de quien va mas rapido o quien tiene mas pantallas, aveces el desconocimiento e ignorancia nos hacen decir cosas fuera de lugar, como ingeniero mecatronico
Subaru is literally in good partnership with toyota. Also Subaru, for years, has destroyed every car manufacturer for a vehicles capabilites straight from factory.
well I think each vehicle has a purpose obviously they are not equipped to do those tasks in the video both brands are good to do those things in the video they need height and tires with more adherence as easy as that
This is not an apple to apple comparison. They are using a hybrid rav4 for some reason. In those, the rear axle is driven by a quite weak electric motor and has no connection to the front. It’s good for slippery conditions but utterly abject at any kind of off-roading.
The Hybrid AWD RAV4 has an extremely long waiting period and its price keeps rising, almost $10,000 higher than the Forester. How many years do I need to drive a hybrid to save this $10,000 in fuel costs?
Do you live in the USA? How long should I wait for the RAV4 after ordering it?
@@Тымненравишься-ь7пif you want it, until it gets there but keep hunting. 2021 I waited about a month and wound up grabbing somebody else's who fell through. Snapped it up while it was still on the truck. Shop around actively while its on the back burner. If you find one earlier and you're not picky about the color take it. We were on the wait list at six dealers, and it didn't really matter which hybrid we were after unless it was a prius. On the other hand, Subaru's usually got inventory of whatever you want. When I bought my Ascent last year I had my pick of colors trims and extras. Anything but the WRX or the BRZ was readily available or on the way.
Edit: Southern US for reference, and I love both brands. Whatever fits your needs and tastes. 👍
Entire lifetime of the car
Assuming you drove 15k miles per year, and gas stays at constant $3.50 per gallon, about 14 years.
Excellent point. Great reasoning.
Nothing beats Subaru’s symmetrical all wheel drive. I just got a crosstrek, took it to the top of Burroughs mountain and granted it’s not a hard core jeep trail but it’s still pretty rough and the Subaru just didn’t care. Was completely comfortable climbing and going over rocks and roads with deep ruts, just had to pick my line and the car does the rest.
Exactly half it comes to driver’s ability to attack terrain
I take my crosstrek on a lot of dirt roads and it does pretty well , and it’s like a rally car too
@@OceanVibartions yup, just pick the line that avoids bottoming out (it’s almost 9” clearance but that’s not a lot on some roads) and it does really well. The X-modes make it really easy, especially going down hill you don’t even need to touch the brakes, it keeps it at a nice slow speed for the angle of the descent.
They are nice, I just hate how it's the boxer engine, if you ever work on your own vehicle there casual maintenance that should be easy but made harder due to the set-up.
I would get one but I won't be the one working on it with love. Honda and Toyota I can and love working on those.
Nothing? Not even Toyotas 4x4 locking dif?
99% of rav4 and foresters will never do this ,but my money is on Toyota's engine and transmission solid built.
I agree!!
Yeah honestly Toyota makes vehicles specifically to do this. These SUVs are more for driving to the campsite or light off roading at best.
Yet Toyota is always losing in real life crashing battles
@@付宇辰 Yh. Check the mechanics and see if Toyotas lose in real life reliability battles when compared to most vehicles.
I think you missed the point lol. Most motors are the same nowadays unless you’re talking Kia or Ford.
As a long term Toyota owner, I think we all know Subaru's AWD system is better than Toyotas. But that's not why we buy Toyotas. We buy them because you can put 400-600k km on one and it will still run like new.
Besides, crossovers aren't meant to be serious off-road vehicles -- they're meant to get you to your campsite and handle on-road snow, which they both do just fine. So let's not pretend anyone is taking either of these cars on the Rubicon trail.
Too right mate.
Bit touchy mate who cares if the Toyota is second best on many aspects…… should have gone to specsavers and bought the much better Subaru
@@Campers5 simmer down mate, “better” is subjective to the individual. Besides that, if you, in all your impressive wisdom, side with the data, Toyota has far more models on the road with high km and fewer repairs. At that point it becomes about how often you’d like your chariot to be repaired innit?
Totally agree but you forgot to mention that Toyota is a lot more expensive to buy used, so you can pay less for a less durable car, or more on a very durable one.... it kinda evens out... and even talking about new cars, here in japan the forester is a lot cheaper than a new Hybrid Rav
Subaruuu❤❤❤
Ofc its the forester, subaru takes pride in their engineering and awd
Bullshit!!!! What king of driving styles was that on the RAV4!!
Maybe they could of put some decent tires on the test I loved all my subies except the engines every subie engine I had was in total shit
@@clozedcaskets1438 the problem on Subaru is the CVT gearbox! It seriously limits it's awd capabilities it's not a strong enough gearbox for such applications
Only good thing about Subarus is their AWD system, nothing else
@@alanmay7929CVT* gearbox
Subarus AWD is just incredible. I have a 2021 crosstreck limited. I’ve had water over the hood of the car and it still trucked through zero issues.
Sounds good 👍
What does this have to do with AWD
I would check all the fluids. Make sure water didn't get anywhere it wasn't supposed to. Particularly the diffs
Subaru have several versions of AWD and they’re quite different
@UnWePtTrAx2 because the Rav4 is AWD, they're testing which is better. And Subarus AWD is better.
When I was comparing SUV's such as Toyota RAV 4 , Honda, Kia, & Nissan, in AWD system, price, options, Subaru came out on top. I'm now the proud owner of a 2024 Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness, All I can say is wow! Exceeded all expectations,
and I'm loving it !!!!!
Congratulations! Subies definitely seem like the best overall deal rn. I'm pretty happy with my Ascent but I'm considering getting a manual Crosstrek as a third to play with since it's basically a modern Impreza Outback Sport. Theres a lot of room for customization and parts for both the impreza and crosstrek are easy to find.
i was doing the same comparison for my wife and decided on a crosstrek as well. real nice car and a great value
This is good consumer testing! The tests simulate trips to the whole foods.
Subaru AWD system is like land cruiser 100 series, with center dif lock without A-trac. Rav4 don't have shit but a simple AWD.
They like to advertise their rear motor that controls the rear tires. But in reality it has issues with over heating and shutting off. 😅
Guarantee they didn't take traction control off on rav 4
pretty sure subies don't have a center diff lock...
@@jaredtimmons4932traction control was on the entire time. Disabled, it acts as an open differential and spins the tire with least resistance.
I’m sure they were also both not using the same brand of highway tires , let alone all terrain. So it’s not really a fair comparison..
For anyone who wants the truth about the systems and how they perform, go watch Driving Sports TV. He rigorously tests both these vehicles as well as the Outback. In the end, both Subarus do have a better AWD system stock from the factory than the RAV4, but the RAV4 is still a good system.
Suburu has been AWD in almost all its vehicles since the early 90’s; they’re better at it.
Also the tires in these cars off the lot are very similar, so weak argument there.
Driver ability is questionable in log climb...hes doing burnouts.
Exactly, i really hope he wasn't paid to do this
@@Bluinehebwas
@chunkyfecalbreakfast it's an AWD, pay attention
@@chunkyfecalbreakfastno... is the same car... watch the plate... is the same...
Nah Toyota doesn't us a proper AWD system the RAV4 is FWD the AWD system is on turn on electronically when there's wheel spin which doesn't work well at all Mazda, Honda and some other brands use similar systems. Subaru use their symmetrical AWD system which powers all wheels all the time and will vary power to each wheel based on traction this Is done using a viscous center differential which is a superior system, I would say it's as good if not better than Audi's quattro system
Honestly they are both really meant for people who wear Birkenstock’s
damn, thats accurate
Had to google that is can confirm
can confirm, i wear birks and am buying a Rav4 hybrid
im too tall (6ft5) for a Rav4 (2019+).. Lexus RX450 hybrid (2017+) it is boys! (2.2 inches more headroom)
😂😂 True, but the Subaru is pretty capable. Last month I was camped in Northern Montana. Had three days of rain. 4wd pickups and ATVs were stuck in the "gumbo". I swear, the only thing driving around was a Subaru Cross Trek.
Don’t forget the man bun and yoga classes
Idk how is that surprising, Subarus AWD is Goated
Nope
@@alanmay7929tell your story walking
The new gens yes. My 2gen is a beast
yeah even Toyotas & Lexus failed TFL's slip test but Mazda's AWD is also great but Subaru is the greatest
My 2011 outback has passed giant lifted trucks that were stuck in a foot deep of loose sand ruts. I always loved the reactions I'd get back then bc Subarus weren't as popular. Lol😊
Subaru has the best AWD system in the car industry. Then I would say Audi.
Audi is dying, their cars are heavy nowadays.
I'll put my AWD astro or Express with rear FACTORY locker and real gears,solid frame anyday against either one
@@woffordsoverlandjourneys8618 lol an USA company trying to get AWD? even ford that competes in WRC is wacky... now chevy xD
People keep saying wrong tires, they testing them each with their own stock factory tires, it’s fair game, Subaru takes the W fairly
It's not a test with different tires, just an opinion
This is a piss-poor test since they're using a hybrid RAV4 the regular RAV4 is actually really solid and if you get a TRD off-road model that steps up the game by allowing more wheel lock up with electronic clutches in the rear but Subaru's all-wheel-drive system is not a full lockup either uses a fluid-filled clutch type deal and I'm pretty sure all those Subarus are CVT transmissions which are absolute crap off road at least when you go with the standard RAV4 you get a regular eight-speed Auto with a torque converter in general Superior off-roader
Don't take anything on the internet personal
True that. Many variables
@@thepatient115do u know what's he talking about? I'd be surprised if you do
Forester only has 180hp and toyota fanboys complaining already?😂 how much more dose TurdRD costs? If that subi turbo she gone
Are you a race car driver? Because that's a lot of excuses.
The only test I care about is which one can best make it up a snowy, icy hill.
I watched the original video months ago. If I recall correctly, the RAV4 actually completed all of the tasks about as well as the Forrester. I think they just had to changed a terrain setting on the RAV4.
Subaru for sure has a better AWD system, but did they have exactly the same tires??
@@alsheremetayou can clearly see that rav4 lock isnt engaged here,only the computer trying to send more power to one wheel,when you turn rear diff lock and put in low gear it will send 55/45 or 50/50power on the wheels.With some small mods it will eat the forester because it has no lock,but a awd system controlled by a cpu...Me and my friend tried going forester vs rav4 but those were like 2007 models and my rav chewed him up everywhere.Ofcourse i have a performance lift kit and skid plates and no stabiliser bars in the back,because then the rear wheel wont hang in the air 😂
Test should be conducted with identical set of tyres.
Right😂
As well as lower pressure and a driver who knows that if you’re burning rubber on a climb, You’re not going anywhere
Why? If it’s fair it should be with the tires the car comes with
No, tires that come with the car because that is what they are selling
@@potatochobit Then it's not a proper comparison of the vehicles four wheel drive abilities.
What ate the specs of the 2 vehicles? Are they comparably equipped vehicles?
Nope. The rav4 was a hybrid which runs pretty weak electric motors in the rear with no connection to the front wheel.
The RAV4 costs more
Fun fact: RAV4 was build under D-Segment platform, while Forester was under C-Segment platform. From the chassis itself, Forester already killed many upper class Crossovers than itself.
Can you be more detailed please?
Give me a 1988 Toyota Hillux
@@fireboltaz sorry, the all orders of any used Hillux are backed up due to demand of the Middle Eastern priority buyers.
I off road a lot , I get into 4 lo at least twice a week and if your looking at these with no off road experience and want free real world advice here it goes , these awd systems are all equally as worthless they don’t get good till you blow about 45k , I’ve seen some Honda passports way out on the trails they are impressive .Check the tire size these come with and see if a good all terrain comes in that size some companies are making them now and they will help you out tons! Air down! Air down off road to at minimum 18psi this will increase your foot print and also aide in puncture resistance as well as soften those wash board roads we all love so much , buy a good powerful air compressor to air back up . Find your strong points on the car you can get winched out by , we don’t leave anyone behind so if you’re stuck we are getting you out and will need to know your tow or winch points . Invest in a come along and a tow strap in case no one is around to help you and there’s a tree near . Tell people where you’ll be in case you don’t make it back they’ll know where to have the rangers look . Be nice and wave on the trails , vehicle traveling up hill has right of way pull to the side and let them pass , see you out there .
WRONG TIRES...on each of them.
That's the point. It is showing stock performance.
They always test with stock tires.
Tires make no difference with one wheel in the air in these open diff vehicles.
@@Ravenousjoe people just need to complain about something to look like experts
My 06 X-Trail would eat those tests for lunch while towing one of those cars up the trail. Nothing beats old-school quality Nissan automatic AWD with it's perfect and seamless Brake Lock Differential system
The rav4 was in 2 wheel for half of this and the driver was incompetent. There is a reason toyotas are seen in offroad communities and foresters are seen at grocery stores.
Body on frame Toyotas belong off-road but rav4 should never leave the pavement! Most Subarus are beasts off-road for what they are and they have the best AWD system on or off the pavement. Also most Subarus have 8.7in of ground clearance stock and with a 2in lift and some bigger tires will have 12in of ground clearance which is more that a lot of Jeeps. Unfortunately Subarus don’t have a low gear so they can’t really do a lot of rock crawling.
RAV4 was in fwd because it's part time awd. Only puts power to the rear if it detects slip in the front
Nonsense! In the Northern Rockies Subarus are seen everywhere. The reason the Toyota was in 2wd "half the time" is because IT IS two wheel drive. Ravs are slip and grip cars. The rear wheels only kick in AFTER the front wheels slip. Subarus are full time AWD. All four wheels get power all the time. Big difference!
Toyotas suck you salty fanboy
I see Toyotas in parking lots more than off road rofl we take our Subarus out in woods all the time.
I mean we take whatever out in the woods all the time as well, but I just took the forester sport out yesterday for some fun.
What wasn’t mentioned was what drive mode was used, what gear was used, what tires used for each car. So were they both the same or did one have the upper hand because they used proper settings?
It’s in the full video on our channel.
Why'd the Forester get AWD and the Rav 4 only front wheel drive also both had wrong tires and the Rav 4 was straight sending it while the Forester knew to stop once it lost traction
0:12
The Toyota was AWD too
Dont be a blind ass u can clearly see the rear wheel move.
That Toyota is clearly awd…
Also the forester driver was not stopping that was the computer braking the spinning wheel to give traction to the other one.
Oh come on… at least use the non-hybrid Edge for this comparison… I’m sure the outcome might still be in Foresters favour but at least the RAV4 will have a mechanical AWD
Well if you do that, then you have to use the forester wilderness which has a lower gear ratio, lift, and all terrain tires.
@@OwenWanKenobithe Edge doesn’t have these off-road features in Australia so no you wouldn’t need to
The reality is that neither of these vehicles were designed for this use. They're only meant for better traction in wet and snowy conditions
There sure is a lot of pissed off RAV4 fans here. 😂
yup lmao. The test speaks for it's self.
toyota fans are the worst
@@-ac-8296 Nope, Subaru fans are definitely the worst. You just can't get them to admit there's a single thing wrong with them.
@@CNCMatrixcompletely false, subaru owner are BETTER than your local toyota fanboy, your just trying to protect your OWN opnion
Subaru fans just like wasting money on fixing their cars every 30 miles. 😂
Managed to get my Forester stuck in loose sand at the beach with all weather tires. Put it on x-mode (mud), got it unstuck and back on the road. Love it!
Like someone would ever offroad their Rav4. It’s a motorway cruiser at best
As the video demonstrates 😂
@@CarExpertAusWould be great if you guys could do a similar test with Toyota Corolla Cross and Crosstrek class of vehicles. The door flex test on its competitors would be pretty interesting.
@@CarExpertAusToyota percentage ownership of Subaru is paying off 😂
Lol!!!!! Such a staged video
@@CarExpertAusit demonstrates nothing
That's a RAV4 HYBRID. Either get the gas/petrol RAV4 or Forester Hybrid and redo your test - apples to apples.
Did anyone ever think that it could be the SKILLS OF THE DRIVERS?
u should watch the whole video and there were many other suv too. haval outlander and forester did the best out of all rest suv. and was tested by one driver
Test #3 - If you're driving either of these and taking them through situations like this, you need to consider buying an off-road vehicle instead.
I think the tests are used to determine the limits of the vehicle. Not what they typically do day to day. Actually you can expect the Forester to do this with good tires.
Swap the drivers around and try again.
Won’t matter rofl for all we know it’s the same driver. I saw some people say this or that about a bunch of things, but the one that sticks out is people thinking they stopped using the gas on the Subaru when it was really the robots telling the computer to adjust where the power was going for better traction&what not. RAV4 doesn’t have a true AWD like Subaru, that’s the plain fact of it.
Now let's see the Forester HYBRID in this test
Subaru is winner. But at Test2 depends from a type of tire and weight of a car.
They are both factory cars with factory tires, in other words, what the consumers will get from the showroom. So it's a fair test.
How was the smokes produced from that log climb?
Ill go take Rav4 for dependability 😊
You can depend on it… to be useless
toyota reliability is grossly overstated. This isn't a hilux.
Both of this vehicles will do great grocery shopping and picking up the kids from school. You can’t go wrong. If you want to do off-road. There are better options.
Just get a 4 runner if you want to do off road the real deal
Nah get a Land Cruiser that is a beast
Not everyone can afford a 4 runner though
But goals!
Get a Hilux... I will never go another vehicle... wont need to 😂
I’d love a fourruner again but a used one less than 10 years old is nearly as expensive as a new one.
Is RAV4 an all wheel drive?
I suppose if I'm climbing logs and driving over offset moguls, the Forester is great, but in the real world, I would have something with an engine that'll go half a million miles before it's toast. I'll take the Toyota, thanks.
Subaru make an extremely hq japanese motor which will last just as long. You goofy sob
Subarus with proper maintenance do real well as well. That’s why Subaru has gotten a better reliability over the years despite people jumping on the bandwagon of hating stuff because others do. Subaru has a better percentage of vehicles on the road still than Toyota or Honda
@@QHalvorson I'm not on the bandwagon of hating things because others do. I'm on the bandwagon of blown Subaru head gaskets are a ridiculously common and seriously expensive inconvenience. Don't get me wrong. Once upon a time, Subaru had reliable engines. I had a 1987 GL10 wagon that went 477k miles before the midline engine gasket let go. That's why I bought another Subaru. And when the head gasket blew at 90k miles, I found out that was pretty much a universal problem. And that's when I walked away from the brand.
How about overall reliability and longevity...?
Never buy a demonstrator.
Does the Forester have X mode on
2.4 boxer engine. Enough said!
2.5
Set of tires and brains go a long way
Is this the RAV4 hybrid? I noticed the blue Engblom and it has way less power than the Trd RAV4.
Let's see which one can eat 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles.
Winner is Subaru.
Lil Bro is criying 😂😂😂😂
@@the_rojas8734he’s not crying, atleast my head gasket doesn’t blow up every second
@@parselx3588 At least i have a good AWD sistem
@@parselx3588 idk where you get your information from, but unless your redlining your car from every red light and stop sign, you should be fine. It's not hard to maintain your car and take it for servicing. 8 year old car, yet not a single issue. just take care of your car mate.
@@parselx3588 The head gasket issues got fixed a decade ago. What rock have you been living under?
You can see the FWD bias during the log climb which makes it extremely difficult for the front tires to grip. I can see how Suburu has been always using a better AWD system than the RAV4. This RAV4 is definitely an improvement over the last generation with more electronic off road features but it is very heavily reliant on the brakes to transfer torque from a slipping wheel to wheel with traction.
Any test with the old nissan xtrail?
First of all why y’all took the hybrid RAV4 😂😂
Exactly what I said. They should’ve used a normal rav4😅😅
Here in the US we get a Rav4 trim called Adventure that comes with a rear LSD. It would have performed far better.
Would like to see an old element on that course.... also ATs or MTs would help a lot
Did you just test a fwd vs an awd ??
Did u not see the rear wheels move in the other clip??
Dawg can you even use your eyes on the first test the rears are clearly spinning
Man i may be in the minority but i feel like these should have been abke tl tackle those easier than that. Whats the point of awd if youre still spinning that much
Toyota is respectable in its ability to get you to and from somewhere and it does so reliably. A Subaru is also just as reliable, but Subaru can do just about everything a Toyota can’t, it handles snows, rough rugged terrain, ice, and honestly a lot of other things.
True, this is the first comment that i agree with.
Xmode engaged? If so, 1st or 2nd setting?
This is what happens when cars are computerized,both are crap
They compared the Forester to the weakest RAV4 Edge 😂 The clever rear diff, traction programs and even downhill descent mitigation are all limited to the gas powered Edge. The hybrid doesn't have these features. BTW, why not compare the Subaru to the TRD RAV4?
Wtf? how abt a test on reliability????
I don’t think both are bad . But bet the Toyota will last ..
Have you seen Subaru reliability. They’re second next to Toyota wtf are you talking about. It’s not like a Nissan vs Toyota
the rav 4 isn't any more reliable than the subaru. It's a rav 4 not a hilux.
How about T33 rogue??
I just realised Audi hasn't participated in CarExpert's offroad tests. Is there a reason why?
More has Land Rover. At least not in the small suv
Because they break down on the way to the test area.
@@craigdavid6668😂😂😂
If it's anything to go by, I had my pontiac in the shop for repair years ago, when I went to pick it up the mechanic gave me keys to an audi that was out front by accident, I told him "I don't think these keys are for mine, but I'd be happy to take it!" And he replied "You wouldn't be happy with an audi, keep the pontiac it'll last longer"
The audi was about a decade newer than my car too.
They are junk in all exercises accept speed and comfort but I still lint q6
The Rav4 was used in the video was the Adventurer model or the XLE AWD?... mmmmm...dont think so.
My ford Bronco Sport had no issues with obstacles like these and much harder. Think about a bronco sport. Much more capable than either of these two.
No. Its a reskinned escape. And its a ford. A 4runner would beat all 3. A real bronco is the only way to make it close.
@@matan6737 lol no shit, of course a 4 runner would be better, and a full size Bronco would be better obviously. I’m just saying I had a Ford Bronco Sport badlands… and I did Moab’s Hells Revenge Hells gate obstacle. Go do a UA-cam search for “Bronco Sport and Hells Gate Moab”
Definitely Subaru Forester is A better Car than Toyota RAV-4 for AWD. But ALL terrain tires should be used 👍💛👏
Subaru all the way❤
Вытаскивали помню рав4 с поля, намучились. Ну рав4 это обычный л/а в магаз за покупками. Не лезьте на нём в грязь
Reliability: RAV4 🏆 Forester ❌
Neither of these vehicles are real off roaders but if you know what you are doing they surprisingly capable.
I have come to understand RAV4 is a piece of shit off tramac
Both are there not built for it
Nonsense!!! This is the hybrid version with a very weak rear electric motor you can see all the torque in the front toasting the tires! The real RAV4 traditional awd Is very good like it or not
@@Patty-vo4nzthe Subaru has a weak CVT that reduces its capabilities
Having the right tires helps regardless.
The driver wine not the manufacturer
Shiraz? Or Pinot?
@@CarExpertAusChardonay😅
Would have liked to see a test that wasn’t just the rav4 driver flooring it the whole time while the Subaru driver is more methodical
It's a Subaru. 'nough said!❤
This is a tire test, not a vehicle test.
From what I've seen in other videos the non hybrid rav4 is better off road
Exactly! This comparaison is stupid!
Hope so!
Had a 19 adventure lifted and 35s. It was sweet looking and hung with Rubicons. We did quite impressive stuff with it. At 46k miles it could'nt handle the abuse so we had everything fixed under warranty and traded it in. It was my wifes and she got a new acura rdx as it fit her life better
Because Toyota's are overrated.
Their really not overrated
Only because you can’t afford one though.
@@craigdavid6668🤡
Because it's the hybrid Toyota and that the regular AWD system is actually much better than this lol!!! The hybrid has a less powerful rear electric motor so there is no connection between front and rear between the axles.
The most important question, which one is least likely to blow head gasket.
Both? Subaru hasnt had head gasket issues since 2013 and rav4...never?
@grege9244 My wife's 2017 Subaru has had I had gaskets blow, and the transmission go out.
And that was before 100,000 miles. On the other hand my Toyota's. I can't really talk about my new one because it's new. But my supra has 300,000 miles And still has the original engine and transmission. My mom's toyota, my dad's toyota, can say the same thing
Is the rav4 the 2x4 version?
Never mind, hybrids ment for fule saving is not geared for the rough! Lol
Depends on driver not Suv 😂
Is RAV4 even a 4 wheel drive?
I know for a fact the RAV4 trd off road trim with better off road tires would smash this test as for the Subaru it’s needs better tires as well and this test would’ve been right on the money for these two.
We all know hybrid AWD sucks.. Just a tiny electric motor in the back with no real torque.
Did you even have an X game mode?
The trd off road would have been a much better comparison. Even just the base non-hybrid would have been better. The hybrid is nice, but with no real connection between ICE front axle and electric rear axle, it's always gonna struggle in moderate off-road conditions
This rav4 is front 2wd instead of awd. Should have a fair game.
No it’s AWD.
They were both awd 😅
Unfortunately for the Rav4 TRD, the tires are faux-ATs and the torque-vectoring differential is too slow to respond and too conservative with the amount of power it shifts between the wheels (making it kinda useless).
Buenas fredy felicitarte por la review!, siempre son bienvenidas las criticas, y mas cuando son constructivas estoy de acuerdo contigo que su autonomia de combustible no es buena, y la caja cvt la hace lenta,me ubiece gustado que toques puntos como la representación, el costo de mantenimiento, precio de las refacciones que creo que son los puntos negativos de la subaru crosstrek,PERO, debiste informate mejor sobre el auto, en la suspensión no hay rival en su categoria, en la seguridad no hay rival en su categoria, en su armado estructural no hay rival en su categoria, en calidad no hay rival en su categoria, el sistema de seguridad del crosstrek si funciona de verdad, frenando cuando alguien cruza e incluso girando a un lado si estas distraido, la estructura del auto es muy rigida, en choques el vehículo no se deforma permitiendo abrir las puertas, tambien en off road puede tener 1 llanta al aire y puedes abrir las puertas normal, la parte de abajo del auto esta reforzada con placas de acero un crossover en toda regla, tambien resaltar que es de los poco autos que son 100% japoneses, y no se le desajustan las partes sonando como cascabel, las luces giran, el AWD symetrical no hace que derrape en lluvia, hay varias cosas que la hacen la mejor de la categoría no solo se trara de quien va mas rapido o quien tiene mas pantallas, aveces el desconocimiento e ignorancia nos hacen decir cosas fuera de lugar, como ingeniero mecatronico
Both look like brothers
Reliability: Subaru 🏆 Toyota 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
is this rav4 awd?
Is subaru's engine still ok?
Subaru is literally in good partnership with toyota. Also Subaru, for years, has destroyed every car manufacturer for a vehicles capabilites straight from factory.
They both shook hands as they work in the same brand umbrella
トヨタはスバルの株主なのにスバルの方が性能が高い。
well I think each vehicle has a purpose obviously they are not equipped to do those tasks in the video both brands are good to do those things in the video they need height and tires with more adherence as easy as that
This is not an apple to apple comparison. They are using a hybrid rav4 for some reason. In those, the rear axle is driven by a quite weak electric motor and has no connection to the front. It’s good for slippery conditions but utterly abject at any kind of off-roading.