@@clozedcaskets1438 the problem on Subaru is the CVT gearbox! It seriously limits it's awd capabilities it's not a strong enough gearbox for such applications
As a long term Toyota owner, I think we all know Subaru's AWD system is better than Toyotas. But that's not why we buy Toyotas. We buy them because you can put 400-600k km on one and it will still run like new. Besides, crossovers aren't meant to be serious off-road vehicles -- they're meant to get you to your campsite and handle on-road snow, which they both do just fine. So let's not pretend anyone is taking either of these cars on the Rubicon trail.
@@Campers5 simmer down mate, “better” is subjective to the individual. Besides that, if you, in all your impressive wisdom, side with the data, Toyota has far more models on the road with high km and fewer repairs. At that point it becomes about how often you’d like your chariot to be repaired innit?
Totally agree but you forgot to mention that Toyota is a lot more expensive to buy used, so you can pay less for a less durable car, or more on a very durable one.... it kinda evens out... and even talking about new cars, here in japan the forester is a lot cheaper than a new Hybrid Rav
My 2011 outback has passed giant lifted trucks that were stuck in a foot deep of loose sand ruts. I always loved the reactions I'd get back then bc Subarus weren't as popular. Lol😊
can confirm, i wear birks and am buying a Rav4 hybrid im too tall (6ft5) for a Rav4 (2019+).. Lexus RX450 hybrid (2017+) it is boys! (2.2 inches more headroom)
😂😂 True, but the Subaru is pretty capable. Last month I was camped in Northern Montana. Had three days of rain. 4wd pickups and ATVs were stuck in the "gumbo". I swear, the only thing driving around was a Subaru Cross Trek.
Nothing beats Subaru’s symmetrical all wheel drive. I just got a crosstrek, took it to the top of Burroughs mountain and granted it’s not a hard core jeep trail but it’s still pretty rough and the Subaru just didn’t care. Was completely comfortable climbing and going over rocks and roads with deep ruts, just had to pick my line and the car does the rest.
@@OceanVibartions yup, just pick the line that avoids bottoming out (it’s almost 9” clearance but that’s not a lot on some roads) and it does really well. The X-modes make it really easy, especially going down hill you don’t even need to touch the brakes, it keeps it at a nice slow speed for the angle of the descent.
I watched the original video months ago. If I recall correctly, the RAV4 actually completed all of the tasks about as well as the Forrester. I think they just had to changed a terrain setting on the RAV4.
@@alsheremetayou can clearly see that rav4 lock isnt engaged here,only the computer trying to send more power to one wheel,when you turn rear diff lock and put in low gear it will send 55/45 or 50/50power on the wheels.With some small mods it will eat the forester because it has no lock,but a awd system controlled by a cpu...Me and my friend tried going forester vs rav4 but those were like 2007 models and my rav chewed him up everywhere.Ofcourse i have a performance lift kit and skid plates and no stabiliser bars in the back,because then the rear wheel wont hang in the air 😂
Toyota is respectable in its ability to get you to and from somewhere and it does so reliably. A Subaru is also just as reliable, but Subaru can do just about everything a Toyota can’t, it handles snows, rough rugged terrain, ice, and honestly a lot of other things.
For anyone who wants the truth about the systems and how they perform, go watch Driving Sports TV. He rigorously tests both these vehicles as well as the Outback. In the end, both Subarus do have a better AWD system stock from the factory than the RAV4, but the RAV4 is still a good system. Suburu has been AWD in almost all its vehicles since the early 90’s; they’re better at it. Also the tires in these cars off the lot are very similar, so weak argument there.
The Hybrid AWD RAV4 has an extremely long waiting period and its price keeps rising, almost $10,000 higher than the Forester. How many years do I need to drive a hybrid to save this $10,000 in fuel costs?
Fun fact: RAV4 was build under D-Segment platform, while Forester was under C-Segment platform. From the chassis itself, Forester already killed many upper class Crossovers than itself.
You can see the FWD bias during the log climb which makes it extremely difficult for the front tires to grip. I can see how Suburu has been always using a better AWD system than the RAV4. This RAV4 is definitely an improvement over the last generation with more electronic off road features but it is very heavily reliant on the brakes to transfer torque from a slipping wheel to wheel with traction.
When I was comparing SUV's such as Toyota RAV 4 , Honda, Kia, & Nissan, in AWD system, price, options, Subaru came out on top. I'm now the proud owner of a 2024 Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness, All I can say is wow! Exceeded all expectations, and I'm loving it !!!!!
Oh come on… at least use the non-hybrid Edge for this comparison… I’m sure the outcome might still be in Foresters favour but at least the RAV4 will have a mechanical AWD
Whoever drove the Rav 4 has never off roaded. If it’s the same person, they were asleep at the wheel. You don’t sit and do burn outs in ditches and bumps or logs, you bump and run everything
This is a piss-poor test since they're using a hybrid RAV4 the regular RAV4 is actually really solid and if you get a TRD off-road model that steps up the game by allowing more wheel lock up with electronic clutches in the rear but Subaru's all-wheel-drive system is not a full lockup either uses a fluid-filled clutch type deal and I'm pretty sure all those Subarus are CVT transmissions which are absolute crap off road at least when you go with the standard RAV4 you get a regular eight-speed Auto with a torque converter in general Superior off-roader
They compared the Forester to the weakest RAV4 Edge 😂 The clever rear diff, traction programs and even downhill descent mitigation are all limited to the gas powered Edge. The hybrid doesn't have these features. BTW, why not compare the Subaru to the TRD RAV4?
The rav4 was in 2 wheel for half of this and the driver was incompetent. There is a reason toyotas are seen in offroad communities and foresters are seen at grocery stores.
Body on frame Toyotas belong off-road but rav4 should never leave the pavement! Most Subarus are beasts off-road for what they are and they have the best AWD system on or off the pavement. Also most Subarus have 8.7in of ground clearance stock and with a 2in lift and some bigger tires will have 12in of ground clearance which is more that a lot of Jeeps. Unfortunately Subarus don’t have a low gear so they can’t really do a lot of rock crawling.
Nonsense! In the Northern Rockies Subarus are seen everywhere. The reason the Toyota was in 2wd "half the time" is because IT IS two wheel drive. Ravs are slip and grip cars. The rear wheels only kick in AFTER the front wheels slip. Subarus are full time AWD. All four wheels get power all the time. Big difference!
I know for a fact the RAV4 trd off road trim with better off road tires would smash this test as for the Subaru it’s needs better tires as well and this test would’ve been right on the money for these two.
Won’t matter rofl for all we know it’s the same driver. I saw some people say this or that about a bunch of things, but the one that sticks out is people thinking they stopped using the gas on the Subaru when it was really the robots telling the computer to adjust where the power was going for better traction&what not. RAV4 doesn’t have a true AWD like Subaru, that’s the plain fact of it.
Subaru is literally in good partnership with toyota. Also Subaru, for years, has destroyed every car manufacturer for a vehicles capabilites straight from factory.
u should watch the whole video and there were many other suv too. haval outlander and forester did the best out of all rest suv. and was tested by one driver
I think the tests are used to determine the limits of the vehicle. Not what they typically do day to day. Actually you can expect the Forester to do this with good tires.
@@CarExpertAusWould be great if you guys could do a similar test with Toyota Corolla Cross and Crosstrek class of vehicles. The door flex test on its competitors would be pretty interesting.
That’s not a fair comparison, try the TRD RAV4. It would be closer to the Subaru. Subaru does have a superior AWD. I personally own a RAV4 hybrid and wouldn’t consider putting it through these kind of conditions.
Why'd the Forester get AWD and the Rav 4 only front wheel drive also both had wrong tires and the Rav 4 was straight sending it while the Forester knew to stop once it lost traction
This is not an apple to apple comparison. They are using a hybrid rav4 for some reason. In those, the rear axle is driven by a quite weak electric motor and has no connection to the front. It’s good for slippery conditions but utterly abject at any kind of off-roading.
I suppose if I'm climbing logs and driving over offset moguls, the Forester is great, but in the real world, I would have something with an engine that'll go half a million miles before it's toast. I'll take the Toyota, thanks.
Subarus with proper maintenance do real well as well. That’s why Subaru has gotten a better reliability over the years despite people jumping on the bandwagon of hating stuff because others do. Subaru has a better percentage of vehicles on the road still than Toyota or Honda
@@halvorson566 I'm not on the bandwagon of hating things because others do. I'm on the bandwagon of blown Subaru head gaskets are a ridiculously common and seriously expensive inconvenience. Don't get me wrong. Once upon a time, Subaru had reliable engines. I had a 1987 GL10 wagon that went 477k miles before the midline engine gasket let go. That's why I bought another Subaru. And when the head gasket blew at 90k miles, I found out that was pretty much a universal problem. And that's when I walked away from the brand.
@@matan6737 lol no shit, of course a 4 runner would be better, and a full size Bronco would be better obviously. I’m just saying I had a Ford Bronco Sport badlands… and I did Moab’s Hells Revenge Hells gate obstacle. Go do a UA-cam search for “Bronco Sport and Hells Gate Moab”
I love the Toyota owners going right to reliability when they forget Subarus are well known for dependability too. Also there’s more space in the Forester, get wrecked!
I’m a die hard subie bro but clearly the difference here is in driving technique. The Rav 4 just went straight but any dirt rider knows to hit the angles.
Had a Forester. Great car, great awd system. But once the engine started playing up, nobody could fix it. 2 Subarudealers and 3 specialists could not make the engine running smooth again. Never a Subaru for me again.
Had a 19 adventure lifted and 35s. It was sweet looking and hung with Rubicons. We did quite impressive stuff with it. At 46k miles it could'nt handle the abuse so we had everything fixed under warranty and traded it in. It was my wifes and she got a new acura rdx as it fit her life better
Best car i had ever owned was a 2nd Gen Forester. 2.5 Turbo engine. The older Symmetrical AWD systems would make light work over the electrical AWD systems. Best car i will ever own. But certainly the worst for MPG. After the bigger turbo and remaps i was averaging about 15MPG 😅
Both of this vehicles will do great grocery shopping and picking up the kids from school. You can’t go wrong. If you want to do off-road. There are better options.
well I think each vehicle has a purpose obviously they are not equipped to do those tasks in the video both brands are good to do those things in the video they need height and tires with more adherence as easy as that
What wasn’t mentioned was what drive mode was used, what gear was used, what tires used for each car. So were they both the same or did one have the upper hand because they used proper settings?
Subaru AWD system is like land cruiser 100 series, with center dif lock without A-trac. Rav4 don't have shit but a simple AWD.
They like to advertise their rear motor that controls the rear tires. But in reality it has issues with over heating and shutting off. 😅
Guarantee they didn't take traction control off on rav 4
99% of rav4 and foresters will never do this ,but my money is on Toyota's engine and transmission solid built.
I agree!!
Yeah honestly Toyota makes vehicles specifically to do this. These SUVs are more for driving to the campsite or light off roading at best.
Yet Toyota is always losing in real life crashing battles
@@user-zy5je6oe9q Yh. Check the mechanics and see if Toyotas lose in real life reliability battles when compared to most vehicles.
I think you missed the point lol. Most motors are the same nowadays unless you’re talking Kia or Ford.
Ofc its the forester, subaru takes pride in their engineering and awd
Bullshit!!!! What king of driving styles was that on the RAV4!!
Maybe they could of put some decent tires on the test I loved all my subies except the engines every subie engine I had was in total shit
@@clozedcaskets1438 the problem on Subaru is the CVT gearbox! It seriously limits it's awd capabilities it's not a strong enough gearbox for such applications
Only good thing about Subarus is their AWD system, nothing else
@@alanmay7929CVT* gearbox
As a long term Toyota owner, I think we all know Subaru's AWD system is better than Toyotas. But that's not why we buy Toyotas. We buy them because you can put 400-600k km on one and it will still run like new.
Besides, crossovers aren't meant to be serious off-road vehicles -- they're meant to get you to your campsite and handle on-road snow, which they both do just fine. So let's not pretend anyone is taking either of these cars on the Rubicon trail.
Too right mate.
Bit touchy mate who cares if the Toyota is second best on many aspects…… should have gone to specsavers and bought the much better Subaru
@@Campers5 simmer down mate, “better” is subjective to the individual. Besides that, if you, in all your impressive wisdom, side with the data, Toyota has far more models on the road with high km and fewer repairs. At that point it becomes about how often you’d like your chariot to be repaired innit?
Totally agree but you forgot to mention that Toyota is a lot more expensive to buy used, so you can pay less for a less durable car, or more on a very durable one.... it kinda evens out... and even talking about new cars, here in japan the forester is a lot cheaper than a new Hybrid Rav
Subaruuu❤❤❤
Driver ability is questionable in log climb...hes doing burnouts.
Exactly, i really hope he wasn't paid to do this
@@Bluinehebwas
Toyota is in 2wd
@chunkyfecalbreakfast it's an AWD, pay attention
@@chunkyfecalbreakfastno... is the same car... watch the plate... is the same...
Idk how is that surprising, Subarus AWD is Goated
Nope
@@alanmay7929tell your story walking
The new gens yes. My 2gen is a beast
yeah even Toyotas & Lexus failed TFL's slip test but Mazda's AWD is also great but Subaru is the greatest
My 2011 outback has passed giant lifted trucks that were stuck in a foot deep of loose sand ruts. I always loved the reactions I'd get back then bc Subarus weren't as popular. Lol😊
Honestly they are both really meant for people who wear Birkenstock’s
damn, thats accurate
Had to google that is can confirm
can confirm, i wear birks and am buying a Rav4 hybrid
im too tall (6ft5) for a Rav4 (2019+).. Lexus RX450 hybrid (2017+) it is boys! (2.2 inches more headroom)
😂😂 True, but the Subaru is pretty capable. Last month I was camped in Northern Montana. Had three days of rain. 4wd pickups and ATVs were stuck in the "gumbo". I swear, the only thing driving around was a Subaru Cross Trek.
Don’t forget the man bun and yoga classes
Subarus AWD is just incredible. I have a 2021 crosstreck limited. I’ve had water over the hood of the car and it still trucked through zero issues.
Sounds good 👍
What does this have to do with AWD
I would check all the fluids. Make sure water didn't get anywhere it wasn't supposed to. Particularly the diffs
Subaru have several versions of AWD and they’re quite different
@UnWePtTrAx2 because the Rav4 is AWD, they're testing which is better. And Subarus AWD is better.
Nothing beats Subaru’s symmetrical all wheel drive. I just got a crosstrek, took it to the top of Burroughs mountain and granted it’s not a hard core jeep trail but it’s still pretty rough and the Subaru just didn’t care. Was completely comfortable climbing and going over rocks and roads with deep ruts, just had to pick my line and the car does the rest.
Exactly half it comes to driver’s ability to attack terrain
I take my crosstrek on a lot of dirt roads and it does pretty well , and it’s like a rally car too
@@OceanVibartions yup, just pick the line that avoids bottoming out (it’s almost 9” clearance but that’s not a lot on some roads) and it does really well. The X-modes make it really easy, especially going down hill you don’t even need to touch the brakes, it keeps it at a nice slow speed for the angle of the descent.
Let's see which one can eat 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles.
Winner is Subaru.
Lil Bro is criying 😂😂😂😂
@@the_rojas8734he’s not crying, atleast my head gasket doesn’t blow up every second
@@parselx3588 At least i have a good AWD sistem
There sure is a lot of pissed off RAV4 fans here. 😂
yup lmao. The test speaks for it's self.
toyota fans are the worst
@@-ac-8296 Nope, Subaru fans are definitely the worst. You just can't get them to admit there's a single thing wrong with them.
@@CNCMatrixcompletely false, subaru owner are BETTER than your local toyota fanboy, your just trying to protect your OWN opnion
Subaru fans just like wasting money on fixing their cars every 30 miles. 😂
Test should be conducted with identical set of tyres.
Right😂
As well as lower pressure and a driver who knows that if you’re burning rubber on a climb, You’re not going anywhere
Why? If it’s fair it should be with the tires the car comes with
No, tires that come with the car because that is what they are selling
@@potatochobit Then it's not a proper comparison of the vehicles four wheel drive abilities.
I watched the original video months ago. If I recall correctly, the RAV4 actually completed all of the tasks about as well as the Forrester. I think they just had to changed a terrain setting on the RAV4.
Subaru for sure has a better AWD system, but did they have exactly the same tires??
@@alsheremetayou can clearly see that rav4 lock isnt engaged here,only the computer trying to send more power to one wheel,when you turn rear diff lock and put in low gear it will send 55/45 or 50/50power on the wheels.With some small mods it will eat the forester because it has no lock,but a awd system controlled by a cpu...Me and my friend tried going forester vs rav4 but those were like 2007 models and my rav chewed him up everywhere.Ofcourse i have a performance lift kit and skid plates and no stabiliser bars in the back,because then the rear wheel wont hang in the air 😂
People keep saying wrong tires, they testing them each with their own stock factory tires, it’s fair game, Subaru takes the W fairly
This is good consumer testing! The tests simulate trips to the whole foods.
Toyota is respectable in its ability to get you to and from somewhere and it does so reliably. A Subaru is also just as reliable, but Subaru can do just about everything a Toyota can’t, it handles snows, rough rugged terrain, ice, and honestly a lot of other things.
True, this is the first comment that i agree with.
WRONG TIRES...on each of them.
That's the point. It is showing stock performance.
They always test with stock tires.
Tires make no difference with one wheel in the air in these open diff vehicles.
@@Ravenousjoe people just need to complain about something to look like experts
For anyone who wants the truth about the systems and how they perform, go watch Driving Sports TV. He rigorously tests both these vehicles as well as the Outback. In the end, both Subarus do have a better AWD system stock from the factory than the RAV4, but the RAV4 is still a good system.
Suburu has been AWD in almost all its vehicles since the early 90’s; they’re better at it.
Also the tires in these cars off the lot are very similar, so weak argument there.
Ever heard of airing down? Just sitting there doing a burnout is ridiculous.
The Hybrid AWD RAV4 has an extremely long waiting period and its price keeps rising, almost $10,000 higher than the Forester. How many years do I need to drive a hybrid to save this $10,000 in fuel costs?
Do you live in the USA? How long should I wait for the RAV4 after ordering it?
Fun fact: RAV4 was build under D-Segment platform, while Forester was under C-Segment platform. From the chassis itself, Forester already killed many upper class Crossovers than itself.
Can you be more detailed please?
Give me a 1988 Toyota Hillux
@@fireboltaz sorry, the all orders of any used Hillux are backed up due to demand of the Middle Eastern priority buyers.
Never buy a demonstrator.
You can see the FWD bias during the log climb which makes it extremely difficult for the front tires to grip. I can see how Suburu has been always using a better AWD system than the RAV4. This RAV4 is definitely an improvement over the last generation with more electronic off road features but it is very heavily reliant on the brakes to transfer torque from a slipping wheel to wheel with traction.
When I was comparing SUV's such as Toyota RAV 4 , Honda, Kia, & Nissan, in AWD system, price, options, Subaru came out on top. I'm now the proud owner of a 2024 Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness, All I can say is wow! Exceeded all expectations,
and I'm loving it !!!!!
What ate the specs of the 2 vehicles? Are they comparably equipped vehicles?
Nope. The rav4 was a hybrid which runs pretty weak electric motors in the rear with no connection to the front wheel.
Subaru has the best AWD system in the car industry. Then I would say Audi.
Audi is dying, their cars are heavy nowadays.
This is a tire test, not a vehicle test.
Oh come on… at least use the non-hybrid Edge for this comparison… I’m sure the outcome might still be in Foresters favour but at least the RAV4 will have a mechanical AWD
Well if you do that, then you have to use the forester wilderness which has a lower gear ratio, lift, and all terrain tires.
@@OwenWanKenobithe Edge doesn’t have these off-road features in Australia so no you wouldn’t need to
The only test I care about is which one can best make it up a snowy, icy hill.
Whoever drove the Rav 4 has never off roaded. If it’s the same person, they were asleep at the wheel. You don’t sit and do burn outs in ditches and bumps or logs, you bump and run everything
Subaru is winner. But at Test2 depends from a type of tire and weight of a car.
They are both factory cars with factory tires, in other words, what the consumers will get from the showroom. So it's a fair test.
This is a piss-poor test since they're using a hybrid RAV4 the regular RAV4 is actually really solid and if you get a TRD off-road model that steps up the game by allowing more wheel lock up with electronic clutches in the rear but Subaru's all-wheel-drive system is not a full lockup either uses a fluid-filled clutch type deal and I'm pretty sure all those Subarus are CVT transmissions which are absolute crap off road at least when you go with the standard RAV4 you get a regular eight-speed Auto with a torque converter in general Superior off-roader
Don't take anything on the internet personal
True that. Many variables
@@thepatient115do u know what's he talking about? I'd be surprised if you do
Forester only has 180hp and toyota fanboys complaining already?😂 how much more dose TurdRD costs? If that subi turbo she gone
Are you a race car driver? Because that's a lot of excuses.
The reality is that neither of these vehicles were designed for this use. They're only meant for better traction in wet and snowy conditions
This is what happens when cars are computerized,both are crap
They compared the Forester to the weakest RAV4 Edge 😂 The clever rear diff, traction programs and even downhill descent mitigation are all limited to the gas powered Edge. The hybrid doesn't have these features. BTW, why not compare the Subaru to the TRD RAV4?
The rav4 was in 2 wheel for half of this and the driver was incompetent. There is a reason toyotas are seen in offroad communities and foresters are seen at grocery stores.
Body on frame Toyotas belong off-road but rav4 should never leave the pavement! Most Subarus are beasts off-road for what they are and they have the best AWD system on or off the pavement. Also most Subarus have 8.7in of ground clearance stock and with a 2in lift and some bigger tires will have 12in of ground clearance which is more that a lot of Jeeps. Unfortunately Subarus don’t have a low gear so they can’t really do a lot of rock crawling.
RAV4 was in fwd because it's part time awd. Only puts power to the rear if it detects slip in the front
Nonsense! In the Northern Rockies Subarus are seen everywhere. The reason the Toyota was in 2wd "half the time" is because IT IS two wheel drive. Ravs are slip and grip cars. The rear wheels only kick in AFTER the front wheels slip. Subarus are full time AWD. All four wheels get power all the time. Big difference!
You haven't met my overland Forester!
Toyotas suck you salty fanboy
I know for a fact the RAV4 trd off road trim with better off road tires would smash this test as for the Subaru it’s needs better tires as well and this test would’ve been right on the money for these two.
Not to mention that Toyotas AWD system is notorious for over heating and shutting off. 🎉🎉
Swap the drivers around and try again.
Won’t matter rofl for all we know it’s the same driver. I saw some people say this or that about a bunch of things, but the one that sticks out is people thinking they stopped using the gas on the Subaru when it was really the robots telling the computer to adjust where the power was going for better traction&what not. RAV4 doesn’t have a true AWD like Subaru, that’s the plain fact of it.
Toyota holding onto their fwd system with pride😑
Its AWD 😊
Just get a 4 runner if you want to do off road the real deal
Nah get a Land Cruiser that is a beast
Not everyone can afford a 4 runner though
But goals!
Get a Hilux... I will never go another vehicle... wont need to 😂
I’d love a fourruner again but a used one less than 10 years old is nearly as expensive as a new one.
Subaru is literally in good partnership with toyota. Also Subaru, for years, has destroyed every car manufacturer for a vehicles capabilites straight from factory.
2.4 boxer engine. Enough said!
2.5
Did anyone ever think that it could be the SKILLS OF THE DRIVERS?
u should watch the whole video and there were many other suv too. haval outlander and forester did the best out of all rest suv. and was tested by one driver
Test #3 - If you're driving either of these and taking them through situations like this, you need to consider buying an off-road vehicle instead.
I think the tests are used to determine the limits of the vehicle. Not what they typically do day to day. Actually you can expect the Forester to do this with good tires.
Both look like brothers
Is RAV4 an all wheel drive?
Like someone would ever offroad their Rav4. It’s a motorway cruiser at best
As the video demonstrates 😂
@@CarExpertAusWould be great if you guys could do a similar test with Toyota Corolla Cross and Crosstrek class of vehicles. The door flex test on its competitors would be pretty interesting.
@@CarExpertAusToyota percentage ownership of Subaru is paying off 😂
Lol!!!!! Such a staged video
@@CarExpertAusit demonstrates nothing
That’s not a fair comparison, try the TRD RAV4. It would be closer to the Subaru. Subaru does have a superior AWD. I personally own a RAV4 hybrid and wouldn’t consider putting it through these kind of conditions.
Reliability: Subaru 🏆 Toyota 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
My 2024 Wilderness Forester kicks ass lol
Why'd the Forester get AWD and the Rav 4 only front wheel drive also both had wrong tires and the Rav 4 was straight sending it while the Forester knew to stop once it lost traction
0:12
The Toyota was AWD too
Dont be a blind ass u can clearly see the rear wheel move.
That Toyota is clearly awd…
Also the forester driver was not stopping that was the computer braking the spinning wheel to give traction to the other one.
This is not an apple to apple comparison. They are using a hybrid rav4 for some reason. In those, the rear axle is driven by a quite weak electric motor and has no connection to the front. It’s good for slippery conditions but utterly abject at any kind of off-roading.
This rav4 is front 2wd instead of awd. Should have a fair game.
No it’s AWD.
They were both awd 😅
Ill go take Rav4 for dependability 😊
You can depend on it… to be useless
toyota reliability is grossly overstated. This isn't a hilux.
I suppose if I'm climbing logs and driving over offset moguls, the Forester is great, but in the real world, I would have something with an engine that'll go half a million miles before it's toast. I'll take the Toyota, thanks.
Subaru make an extremely hq japanese motor which will last just as long. You goofy sob
Subarus with proper maintenance do real well as well. That’s why Subaru has gotten a better reliability over the years despite people jumping on the bandwagon of hating stuff because others do. Subaru has a better percentage of vehicles on the road still than Toyota or Honda
@@halvorson566 I'm not on the bandwagon of hating things because others do. I'm on the bandwagon of blown Subaru head gaskets are a ridiculously common and seriously expensive inconvenience. Don't get me wrong. Once upon a time, Subaru had reliable engines. I had a 1987 GL10 wagon that went 477k miles before the midline engine gasket let go. That's why I bought another Subaru. And when the head gasket blew at 90k miles, I found out that was pretty much a universal problem. And that's when I walked away from the brand.
Looks like you don’t know what you are doing. Next time get cars that fall in same category. All of them should be AWD.
But the rav4 was a hybrid…..
Apples and oranges test. Toyota has a model that is almost exact capabilities
Would like to see an old element on that course.... also ATs or MTs would help a lot
I’ve had many new cars , including these two brands , I’ll have TOYOTA all the way !
The driving the Toyota on the logs was just hilarious to watch. Clearly a skill issue there
My ford Bronco Sport had no issues with obstacles like these and much harder. Think about a bronco sport. Much more capable than either of these two.
No. Its a reskinned escape. And its a ford. A 4runner would beat all 3. A real bronco is the only way to make it close.
@@matan6737 lol no shit, of course a 4 runner would be better, and a full size Bronco would be better obviously. I’m just saying I had a Ford Bronco Sport badlands… and I did Moab’s Hells Revenge Hells gate obstacle. Go do a UA-cam search for “Bronco Sport and Hells Gate Moab”
Too bad most of the time, both these cars only see mall parking lots.
My 07 forester would walk this
Set of tires and brains go a long way
Subaru Outback is the best city/suburb everyday pot holes water puddles snowy days everyday driving affordable 5 passenger wagon there is.
100% Toyota, isso não prova nada!!!
Damn these Starbucks drive through’s have gone wild
Subaru have better AWD system just give it better tires.
I love the Toyota owners going right to reliability when they forget Subarus are well known for dependability too. Also there’s more space in the Forester, get wrecked!
I’m a die hard subie bro but clearly the difference here is in driving technique. The Rav 4 just went straight but any dirt rider knows to hit the angles.
What a surprise 😂 Subaru has been doing this for a lifetime...
Next... Veggies vs ice cream. Which one tastes better lol 😅
“What you think I rap for, to push a f***ing Rav4?” - Ye
Xmode engaged? If so, 1st or 2nd setting?
Had a Forester.
Great car, great awd system.
But once the engine started playing up, nobody could fix it.
2 Subarudealers and 3 specialists could not make the engine running smooth again.
Never a Subaru for me again.
Type of tyre also play massive roles in this kind of challenge
If u never drive a subaru, you cant say toyota is better 🗿💙
That log climb has to do with tires also. I say 50% tires and the rest is the AWD system.
Toyota fanboys must be sad
Had a 19 adventure lifted and 35s. It was sweet looking and hung with Rubicons. We did quite impressive stuff with it. At 46k miles it could'nt handle the abuse so we had everything fixed under warranty and traded it in. It was my wifes and she got a new acura rdx as it fit her life better
how long can they be driven like that before the transmission and awd system break?
I love my 2017 sti tho it breaks all the time he’s gotten me out of some really bad trouble 😂😂😂
Subaru is actually built for going off-road but the RAV4 driver wanted to do burnouts
Rav 4 is a joke...and just Toyota reliability hipe.
Rav 4 calls in big brother 4 runner… Game over…
Question,
I have Sienna but I need another car( used ).
Is Subaru forester reliable to buy ?
Reliability: RAV4 🏆 Forester ❌
Best car i had ever owned was a 2nd Gen Forester. 2.5 Turbo engine. The older Symmetrical AWD systems would make light work over the electrical AWD systems.
Best car i will ever own. But certainly the worst for MPG. After the bigger turbo and remaps i was averaging about 15MPG 😅
And you can add diff locks to a Subaru too. Imagine how much easier it'd be THEN lol
Both of this vehicles will do great grocery shopping and picking up the kids from school. You can’t go wrong. If you want to do off-road. There are better options.
well I think each vehicle has a purpose obviously they are not equipped to do those tasks in the video both brands are good to do those things in the video they need height and tires with more adherence as easy as that
Offroading without offroad tyres
トヨタはスバルの株主なのにスバルの方が性能が高い。
Its all in the tires for the second one. If you aired down either one there wouldnt be free spinning
$60 a month for full coverage is crazy low, congrats.
As a person who has owed both . Subaru has the best awd system. But toyota is a better car overall
Great to see Subaru sponsoring the test
What wasn’t mentioned was what drive mode was used, what gear was used, what tires used for each car. So were they both the same or did one have the upper hand because they used proper settings?
It’s in the full video on our channel.