@@AdrenalineJunkie25Yes you are correct, but A brand new 2023 ZL1 camaro will cost about the same as a used C7 ZO6, and dont get me started on the prices of the C8 ZO6. The ZL1 is a bargain .
The Camaro has been the best muscle car made since 2010. I grew up a die hard Mustang fan too. It handles the best and the 6.2 is more reliable than the Coyote 5.0. The manual transmission is better in the Camaro than the MT82 in the Mustang. The Tremec is obviously best in all muscle cars and that's why the Dodge Challenger 5.7 hemi is the most reliable overall, but too heavy and slow and handles poorly.
The roll race is a joke, at least Sam has to honk for the other guy to know when to step harder on the accelerator. Sam just stepped on it before the Bimmer even noticed. LOL
Chevy still makes some of the best sounding V8’s. Theres something raspy and raw about them along with that guttered sound that really gets my fancy bits tingled 😊
Look, put the zl1 up against a m3 comp xDrive and it will lose a drag race despite the major hp advantage. Plus, the drag race performance (for the money) is higher with a m3 comp xDrive. You can run mid 9’s on a stock motor, stock tires, stock turbos, with just a tune. Yeah that’s right. We have 9.8’s now with just a jb4 no flash tune. The zl1 can’t do that despite having a huge engine.
Put drag radials on the ZL1 and they run 10.9's. With just a trans tune, they knock off another few 10ths. Engine tune puts em solidly in the mid 10's. A pulley change which is the same as more boost on the BMW and they run high 9's as well.
A Racechip is not a dyno tune. It’s a piggyback module that modifies peak boost (psi). These mods only show minor potential at the top end of the power band. A tuned M3 vs a Race Chip is leagues different in power and performance. His ECU is locked on the BMW and why he chose the race chip, it’s expensive to unlock and fully tune the car. However let’s make sure everyone knows it’s not a dyno tuned M3 or the results would be very different.
There are no more Dealer 6th Gen. ordering alloacations left for ZL1's. Production ends in Dec. There about 25 headed too Dealers some being sold orders. That's it, over, the end. If you want a (ZL1) better do it yesterday.
Before anyone asks why an XXX HP car is being compared to an XXX-100~ HP car, he mentions it in the video, cost of each. The question people should be asking is does BMW make something with similar performance at a competitive price? You can tout BMW's interior, or the badge, or the poor visibility of the Camaro (not really an issue after a few drives), but you can't deny the performance per dollar. Thanks for the vid, Sam!
I believe the g80 m3/m4 normal and especially competition pack is definitely overpriced. After options you’re looking at $95-100k. That is ridiculous and I’m a person that have owned and own high end performance cars. A 2022 f90 m5 cp can be have cheaper. If i pay $100k for a performance car it better be able to run low 11’s. I just hate how bmw fans brag about the g80 platform like it’s a cheap car.
@@talkditingsdem5799Everything is overpriced these days. And the G80 M3CX does run bottom 11s stock. Some have even done high 10’s bone stock. Not sure who is claiming that they’re cheap. ZL1 is awesome but these aren’t cars that are likely cross-shopped. Very different missions. M3 with a proper tune and downpipe is deep into the 10’s.
@@jad4ca Just remember that tune and FBOs can also be added to the ZL1. Personally though, I think that the ZL1 has plenty of power. For me the problem I have is putting the power down. Sad to see that these types of cars are slowly becoming extinct. EVs are just slowly going to replace these types of cars as it's definitely going to be hard to contend with instant torque off the line.
@@robpr315 Yep, agreed. Having owned a 2nd gen CTS-V with the LSA, I know how stout GM supercharged V8s are, but as you said, the problem becomes available traction. Here’s to hoping that the rise of EVs doesn’t doom all of the ICE fun.
Good video, but please don't have these people thinking a Zl1 is faster than a G80 anything people bout to be mad but what do I know I just use draggy and have a channel with some vidoes up.
Can confirm what Sam says about the ZL1, I just own a 6-speed ZL1 since 3 years and this car is awesome! It´s not just the brutal sound, also the way it feels and drives makes it a real muslce car for me. Never thought to own one of these masterpieces but that car just contains what I was searching for. Roughness, coolness and performance. Had the chance to buy either a blue ZL1 with 10speed auto or a silver ZL1 with a 6-speed and selected manual as german petrol head!
@@yousef.al-assafGM really has made a masterpiece with the Alpha and now Alpha 2 chassis, pros like Randy Pobst and Motortrend, R&T, C&D, etc all love it and compare to to how M3s used to feel, they don’t really like the handling characteristics of newer Ms.
You can get a zl1 for 70k and a m3 will run you 100k . Maro will always win ....... if you want luxury ... that's the only advantage you'll get paying an extra 30k 🤭🤭
The ZL1 is so underrated!! It is such a beast and savage like you said!! I cross shopped this and the G82, the Camaro is on another league!! Let’s see the ZL1 VS Dark Horse next!!
G80/G82 is mostly for people who think they can drive fast but they actually suck at driving and only know straight-line acceleration. ZL1 is for people who know how to take on corners.
I just read somewhere, if you want to impress high school girls get the manual transmission but if you want to empress on the track , get the 10 speed auto.
Im on my 4th 6th gen Zl1. Have had 2 2ss as well, a 10 speed 5.0, and a 8 speed hellcat. Zl1 is a monster in a straight line and around a corner. For the money it is unbelievable. The manual is fast but starts to hit the dead end after 4th gear but the auto just keeps pulling and pulling. I love my Zl1s ❤
ZL1 is one of my top 5 favorite cars . M3 is probably one of them as well and the M3 hp is probably 50 to 60 hp underrated in my opinion at stock form . M3 probably making 530 hp stock
As a refined daily, certainly the M3 is compelling. But let’s be honest, while it would look ridiculous driving the ZL1 to a business conference, it’s by far the better car dynamically, and that engine note is just on a different level than the inline 6.
Wow Sam . . . the ZL1 ate up the M3! I was surprised 😮. Really thought the BMW would have been closer. Must be thinking Audi. I am partial . . . nothing drives like a sedan. I appreciate your enthusiasm. ❤
Given it’s a 6 speed manual but a brand new 2023 Camaro ZL1 (6.2 supercharged) post up the same time as a 2012 C63 AMG P31 (6.2 NA). Yes, W204 C63 AMGs are monsters.
It's not always the car sometimes the driver is just bad. 12.5s 1/4 miles for the M3 is slower than the M340i. A good driver and Manuel m3 would have get under 12s 1/4 miles and plus automatic 1s quicker than the Camaro.
When it comes to pure aesthetics, BMW needs to saunter across Germany 🇩🇪 over to Audi & say “HELP US!!!” That grill is HIDEOUS!! It actually upsets me, & it’s not just the M3. Looks like they took a yard rake to the entire front bumper!!😮
Sam you keep on talking about displacement ya ya, but what did you think would happen when you being together a car with more power, similar weight and no lift shit to a car with less of all that? This was obvious from get go. Now left try and find one make making 700hp and let’s see if that camera will keep up. Even when the guy made a mistake on launch, he was able to pull that m3 back. 😂
Nothing better than seeing Beemer eat at Gapplebees. " Well it was 100 more HP"... Funny how Beemer fanboys talk about more HP when they lose , but don't mention it when their notoriously underrated HP cars win against cars they are supposed to be matching.... lmao.
Getting tired of this channels keep comparing a 650+ car against 503 or less. 87k for ZL1 is price range of BMW M3 xDrive. Is like saying “like me take my Supra out and see what Prius wants to race me”
87k? The standard ZL1 is 73 for a 2024 and it was like 70 in 2023. Is he talking Canadian? That car doesn't have the 1LE package so I'm confused about the price here. Dealers aren't marking ZL1's over MSRP anymore just the ZL1 1LEs... if you can find one.@@SamCarLegion
The ZL1 has become Sam's mistress on his channel 😂😂😂. Every single man should consider the ZL1 before they get married and start a family 😂😂😂
Adore the car
Zo6 is even better 😏
I recently brought her sister an (2SS with 455HP) and I'm a GrandPa, LOL!
@@AdrenalineJunkie25Yes you are correct, but A brand new 2023 ZL1 camaro will cost about the same as a used C7 ZO6, and dont get me started on the prices of the C8 ZO6. The ZL1 is a bargain
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consider it instead of marriage ROFL.
zl1 is an amazing car at a bargain price.
It's really great to see another person who has such a respect for Camaros
The Camaro has been the best muscle car made since 2010. I grew up a die hard Mustang fan too. It handles the best and the 6.2 is more reliable than the Coyote 5.0. The manual transmission is better in the Camaro than the MT82 in the Mustang. The Tremec is obviously best in all muscle cars and that's why the Dodge Challenger 5.7 hemi is the most reliable overall, but too heavy and slow and handles poorly.
M3 needed a driver mod
And a better tune
And more power
M3 driver needs a different brand of car
Needs a V8
The roll race is a joke, at least Sam has to honk for the other guy to know when to step harder on the accelerator. Sam just stepped on it before the Bimmer even noticed. LOL
Chevy still makes some of the best sounding V8’s. Theres something raspy and raw about them along with that guttered sound that really gets my fancy bits tingled 😊
Really thought the M3 would give it a challenge but damn, was not expecting the domination from the ZL1!
You weren’t expecting a car with a significant power to weight ratio to win? Jesus you guys are casuals
@@ericship8383Jesus ur gay
Look, put the zl1 up against a m3 comp xDrive and it will lose a drag race despite the major hp advantage. Plus, the drag race performance (for the money) is higher with a m3 comp xDrive. You can run mid 9’s on a stock motor, stock tires, stock turbos, with just a tune. Yeah that’s right. We have 9.8’s now with just a jb4 no flash tune. The zl1 can’t do that despite having a huge engine.
Put drag radials on the ZL1 and they run 10.9's. With just a trans tune, they knock off another few 10ths. Engine tune puts em solidly in the mid 10's. A pulley change which is the same as more boost on the BMW and they run high 9's as well.
LOL!
That’s ZL1 is a beast! I love both cars though lol.
A Racechip is not a dyno tune. It’s a piggyback module that modifies peak boost (psi). These mods only show minor potential at the top end of the power band. A tuned M3 vs a Race Chip is leagues different in power and performance. His ECU is locked on the BMW and why he chose the race chip, it’s expensive to unlock and fully tune the car. However let’s make sure everyone knows it’s not a dyno tuned M3 or the results would be very different.
M’s are awesome but the ZL1 is a different animal man and that’s not even with the A10…….
M3/m4 xdrive smokes it.
There are no more Dealer 6th Gen. ordering alloacations left for ZL1's. Production ends in Dec. There about 25 headed too Dealers some being sold orders. That's it, over, the end. If you want a (ZL1) better do it yesterday.
ZL1 is a beast but I guess they kept it fair with the manual and rwd. But the s58, downpipe and etuned is a beast...xdrive zf8 s58 is in the 9s.
Awesome video well done!
The ZL1 just moves out on the roll race.
Love both cars, but still sticking to my ZL1! 🔥
Keep going !!!! Amazing video
Thank you! Will do!
Before anyone asks why an XXX HP car is being compared to an XXX-100~ HP car, he mentions it in the video, cost of each. The question people should be asking is does BMW make something with similar performance at a competitive price? You can tout BMW's interior, or the badge, or the poor visibility of the Camaro (not really an issue after a few drives), but you can't deny the performance per dollar. Thanks for the vid, Sam!
I believe the g80 m3/m4 normal and especially competition pack is definitely overpriced. After options you’re looking at $95-100k. That is ridiculous and I’m a person that have owned and own high end performance cars. A 2022 f90 m5 cp can be have cheaper. If i pay $100k for a performance car it better be able to run low 11’s. I just hate how bmw fans brag about the g80 platform like it’s a cheap car.
@@talkditingsdem5799Everything is overpriced these days. And the G80 M3CX does run bottom 11s stock. Some have even done high 10’s bone stock. Not sure who is claiming that they’re cheap. ZL1 is awesome but these aren’t cars that are likely cross-shopped. Very different missions. M3 with a proper tune and downpipe is deep into the 10’s.
@@jad4ca Just remember that tune and FBOs can also be added to the ZL1. Personally though, I think that the ZL1 has plenty of power. For me the problem I have is putting the power down. Sad to see that these types of cars are slowly becoming extinct. EVs are just slowly going to replace these types of cars as it's definitely going to be hard to contend with instant torque off the line.
@@robpr315 Yep, agreed. Having owned a 2nd gen CTS-V with the LSA, I know how stout GM supercharged V8s are, but as you said, the problem becomes available traction.
Here’s to hoping that the rise of EVs doesn’t doom all of the ICE fun.
Good video, but please don't have these people thinking a Zl1 is faster than a G80 anything people bout to be mad but what do I know I just use draggy and have a channel with some vidoes up.
Can confirm what Sam says about the ZL1, I just own a 6-speed ZL1 since 3 years and this car is awesome! It´s not just the brutal sound, also the way it feels and drives makes it a real muslce car for me. Never thought to own one of these masterpieces but that car just contains what I was searching for. Roughness, coolness and performance. Had the chance to buy either a blue ZL1 with 10speed auto or a silver ZL1 with a 6-speed and selected manual as german petrol head!
Huh ? BMW is much better car
@@henzo7087
Not even close. The Alpha chassis of the ZL1 is superior and so is the suspension
@@yousef.al-assafGM really has made a masterpiece with the Alpha and now Alpha 2 chassis, pros like Randy Pobst and Motortrend, R&T, C&D, etc all love it and compare to to how M3s used to feel, they don’t really like the handling characteristics of newer Ms.
You can get a zl1 for 70k and a m3 will run you 100k . Maro will always win ....... if you want luxury ... that's the only advantage you'll get paying an extra 30k 🤭🤭
BMW driver ain’t even taking this race seriously lol smh
I can listen to it all day too Sam! Chevy blocks sound shweet!
I just raced a modified 2023 ZL1 with with my 2023 M4(DP/tune)… the M4 has much more top end
The ZL1 is so underrated!! It is such a beast and savage like you said!! I cross shopped this and the G82, the Camaro is on another league!!
Let’s see the ZL1 VS Dark Horse next!!
No challenge for the ZL1
DarkHorse is just a mach1 with big screens
@@SamCarLegion yes you are correct!!
ZL1 is for self-wrenchers, those few in the know who understand mechanical engineering, system engineering and physics.
G80/G82 is mostly for people who think they can drive fast but they actually suck at driving and only know straight-line acceleration.
ZL1 is for people who know how to take on corners.
That ZL1 really puts the power down! Even with the Tune the M3 didn't stand a chance.
It would be cool if there was more communication, and what went on during the run, between cars.
Other than that. Fun drive sam.
I just read somewhere, if you want to impress high school girls get the manual transmission but if you want to empress on the track , get the 10 speed auto.
its hard to believe that this BMW lost that way, there must be something behind the scene
This zl1 vs a manual hellcat or red eye Sam would be cool
ZL1 looks bad ass is faster and costs less . Love it
Looks like Sam is reading the comment section in regards to nolift shift
I knew that long time ago
Im on my 4th 6th gen Zl1. Have had 2 2ss as well, a 10 speed 5.0, and a 8 speed hellcat. Zl1 is a monster in a straight line and around a corner. For the money it is unbelievable. The manual is fast but starts to hit the dead end after 4th gear but the auto just keeps pulling and pulling. I love my Zl1s ❤
ZL1 is one of my top 5 favorite cars . M3 is probably one of them as well and the M3 hp is probably 50 to 60 hp underrated in my opinion at stock form . M3 probably making 530 hp stock
Manual m3 is 500hp stock
Interesting race… however i think the M8 comp would be the better match up
4:10 That is the moment you say... What???
The monk did fantastic job in a great shifting.
As a refined daily, certainly the M3 is compelling. But let’s be honest, while it would look ridiculous driving the ZL1 to a business conference, it’s by far the better car dynamically, and that engine note is just on a different level than the inline 6.
😄 haha can imagine pulling up to attend a conference with that engine sound
BMW is cool but damn that zl1 is fast 💨
You need the M3 competition
It comes only in auto
A competition package would have been Fair
Zee in the U.S and Zed in Canada and U.K. Montreal born and raised.
zl1 drag driver is launching with traction on and short shifting. unlikely they went into the performance menu settings as well
M5 rwd mode vs 10 spd. Zl1 would be interesting to see
There was a rwd/drift mode test
By a tire review channel. The M5
Runs low 4s in drift mode. It does
Not have launch control in that mode
That owner of the zl1 sure knows how to shift. 👏👏👏👏
I remember when I shifted at 3600 rpm
The way that man was driving that ZL1 at the end made me hard ngl 👏🏾👏🏾 props to him
This is why no one wants a manual rwd g80 m3 lol. gotta cough up 8k more and get that xdrive and auto
Sam is awesome ...
The Camaro interior looks likes an early 2000's cobalt interior.
That’s why I’m not crazy about my 2ss
i watched another vid of m3 g80 stock rwd it took 12.21 sec 1/4 a mile but this m3 Dinan tuned took 12.25 sec, pls somebody tell me this is not Fishy
Wow Sam . . . the ZL1 ate up the M3! I was surprised 😮. Really thought the BMW would have been closer. Must be thinking Audi. I am partial . . . nothing drives like a sedan. I appreciate your enthusiasm. ❤
Obviously power to weight played out as expected. Nice seeing a manual transmission match up.
It's always fun watching slow cars run.
I now a F82 M4 with a tune only will stay with a stock Zl1 easy … this Zl1 does seem to be stock from my experience ,
I want a Monster ...
Need better drivers without a doubt
ZL1 is option code for "track package" - every ZL1 is a track version!
Dude I have a the M3 sure can shift!!
I have a 2022 Zl1 10 speed auto with 2200 kilometers and i love it .Might be selling to get a 911 turbo s porsche which is my favorite car.
Given it’s a 6 speed manual but a brand new 2023 Camaro ZL1 (6.2 supercharged) post up the same time as a 2012 C63 AMG P31 (6.2 NA). Yes, W204 C63 AMGs are monsters.
The driver counts👍🏿
Did they even have the zl1 even have rev match on?
Yes, all 6th Gen come with rev match.
ZL1>> M3 M4
CTS5 B.wing >> M5
It's not always the car sometimes the driver is just bad. 12.5s 1/4 miles for the M3 is slower than the M340i. A good driver and Manuel m3 would have get under 12s 1/4 miles and plus automatic 1s quicker than the Camaro.
I feel bored with this manual transmission 😪 bring 10speed to be fair challenge and show the real power
Grandmas drive automatics
@@al151 Not for drags in this platform
@@al151
Winners drive automatics.
Ofcourse theres displacement for replacement change the BMW driver and would win. He only had one good ran that beats ZL1 and the ZL1 dont coming back
Brampton even on here on
Maybe the M3 should go up against the natural aspirated camaro SS for a better chance. Zell L 1 lol 😆
M5 or M8 will have handled this nicely. V8 vs V8
$110/140k vs $75k? Zl1 wins on price alone
M3 still won our hearts even with the loss to the Chevrolet
Get an M5 CS and let us know 😂
Well.... I'm Happy.
Price, power, manual shift. Can a Man ask for more?? Finger crossed if GM accepts my ZL1 order
12.2 1/4 mile on a ZL1? That's SS camaro territory.
M3 needs a base stage 1 tune to beat zl1
I had to give a thumbs down for putting a tuned car against a stock one! Either both tuned or both stock!
When it comes to pure aesthetics, BMW needs to saunter across Germany 🇩🇪 over to Audi & say “HELP US!!!” That grill is HIDEOUS!! It actually upsets me, & it’s not just the M3. Looks like they took a yard rake to the entire front bumper!!😮
I disagree, if u ever seen one in dark blue in the rear mirror you’d realize how menacing they look
@@F8L.Audi also need some help from Bmw with theirs performance cars😅
Thats not the car the bmw should be roll racing 😂.. not a chance
BMW´s Manual Transm. are not the best in the World and thats why the most people buy it with the really good and fast shifting ZF Autom. Transm..
The ZL1 would have won no matter what, but the M3 driver is not shifting well, especially in the roll races : too early and too slowly !
This was so unfair. Camaro better have win because has over 100 hp. Otherwise it would have been an embarrass. Why can't they race an M5, M6, or M8.
Price
Yeah , race your M8 in the same price range . This is a $64K USD car that kills cars 4 times its price tag .
at least use the m3 competition or competition cs, instead of llowest m3 model and highest camaro model
Wouldn’t call 12.2 savage
I am pretty sure it's a bmw hint hint with over 600 hp stock to would wipe the floor with the Zed L 1
Sam you keep on talking about displacement ya ya, but what did you think would happen when you being together a car with more power, similar weight and no lift shit to a car with less of all that? This was obvious from get go. Now left try and find one make making 700hp and let’s see if that camera will keep up.
Even when the guy made a mistake on launch, he was able to pull that m3 back. 😂
Like taking candy from a baby.
Zl1 abused him
Even inside bmw camaro's engine was louder👌😂
Dinan the biggest joke of a tuning company. Not surprised at all
I don't think the BMW driver can drive that car😤😤
Sam can really throw those gears 👍
That’s non comp meaning less horsepower by 30
Where’s bmw fan boy?
so zl1 over 100 hp more...result to be expected.12.2 sec quart mile for a 650 hp car is terrible tbh
Nothing better than seeing Beemer eat at Gapplebees. " Well it was 100 more HP"... Funny how Beemer fanboys talk about more HP when they lose , but don't mention it when their notoriously underrated HP cars win against cars they are supposed to be matching.... lmao.
This sounds like someone who gets beat a lot by beamers., things are going to be okay.
@@bobbyspanino6874 Nah, I’m grown son. I don’t street race . I’m speaking about the races on this channel.
You tried.
@@restlessyouthproductions you got a little more growing to do, son.
@@bobbyspanino6874 Typical Low IQ internet banter. Good times. I must have really hurt your va Jay Jay ma’am. You’re fierce girl. 🚺😂😂
M5 got the zl1 hp and would be ugly for the Camaro
Buddy can't launch for the life of him. Doesn't matter though, ZL1 power still walks the BMW.
BMW looks better my opinion 👍🏽.
Well that's not a tune, lol. Put a tune in the M3 and the ZL1 will not keep up
🇺🇲 for the Win
Huh, something not right there.
Are you kidding me guys??? 650 v8 vs bmw v6 and with less HP!!! Get the bmw m5/m8 and swap the ground with that ZL1
Tell bmw to build a zl1 beater at the same price point and I’ll be impressed. M8 nearly double the price.
Well bmw build quality and they should get a great price. Not like the muscle cars, they lose their prices rapidly😂
Пазор для бмв😂. Камаро лутшый
M3 driver sleeping on stering wheel 😅
Getting tired of this channels keep comparing a 650+ car against 503 or less. 87k for ZL1 is price range of BMW M3 xDrive. Is like saying “like me take my Supra out and see what Prius wants to race me”
You must hate everyone else then…comparing Ferraris to an F1 car and Civics to AMGs
87k? The standard ZL1 is 73 for a 2024 and it was like 70 in 2023. Is he talking Canadian? That car doesn't have the 1LE package so I'm confused about the price here. Dealers aren't marking ZL1's over MSRP anymore just the ZL1 1LEs... if you can find one.@@SamCarLegion
I apperantly know nothing about bmw's........