Steven Weinberg's Best Arguments against Religion
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- In this video Steven Weinberg delves into the clash of truth-seeking methods between science and religion, from authority reliance to moral choices, and uncover why weakening religion's hold may be vital for civilization's progress.
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“The world needs to wake up from its long nightmare of religious belief!” Couldn’t have said it better!
No God, no image of God.
No Sacred, and all bets are off for morality.
Humans become things.
Things only have value according to other humans.
Welcome to becoming a thing.
Anyone can now decide your worth.
Good bye, God.
Good bye, Enlightenment values.
The New World Order is upon us.
China shall lead the godless.
Could've said it better if he followed up that assertion with any kind of justification for the claim itself.
@@martinmoffat5417 Read Spanish Inquisition history much?
@@douglascutler1037The argument would need to show that we are better off without all religion and its influence. So do you think these men were racist because of their religion or in spite of it? I’ll give you a hint…
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” - Paul’s Letter to the Galatians 50 AD
@@douglascutler1037 This argument had every right to die when Nietzsche predicted the death of God would create unprecedented suf(fering) and whose claim was substantiated by systematic kil(lings) of over 170,000,000 people by the governments in the 20th century alone.
"Religion Poisons Everything" - Christopher Hitchens
omg thank you for repeating those all so true words
What religion poisons everything?
All of them. Every single organized religion with a central authority and strict hierarchy is a poison.
Religion is the tool that ancient civilizations used to control the population.
The soldiers control the peasants.
Religion controls the soldiers.
Rich, powerful old men sitting around a table coming up with new ways to control young men.
That is the essence of religion
@@kevinx7015Christianity is the most guilty by far. Then Islam. Jewish is next. Some religions are no more than social clubs.
@@MovieMakingMan What Christianity is the most guilty by far of what?
Science SHOULD weaken the hold of religion. And that WILL be the greatest contribution to society that science will make. At the age of 62, I won’t live to see it happen but I feel good knowing that it inevitably WILL.
Unfortunately for you, Science strengthens the case for God. The fine tuned, information laced, purpose driven universe proclaims the greatness of God.
@@martinmoffat5417support that claim
@@martinmoffat5417No it doesn't. Science is the reason you eat every day despite there being 8 billion other humans on the planet. Religions, and gods literally don't do anything, other than the things you imagine they do.
@@martinmoffat5417just empty words with no evidence. But keep believing and join the billions who were wrong about religion and their gods.
@@aoteifa Empty indeed, thanks for the forewarning
The problem with authority is it arrogantly presupposes that it is absolutely correct, even if it is absolutely wrong and will crush you with it's boot on the way to dominate someone else.
11:09 4:12 Twice these clips cut out with the speaker making a strong assertion that science conflicts with religion with no follow-up justification for the statement itself. The clip just ends? Were we just supposed to have accepted these claims on authority?
What are you on about?
@@martinmoffat5417is your claim that science and religion go hand in hand? Lead me to any example where science support a biblical claim.
@@thomasknudsen3686 The only analogy that I can come up with is the one that Daniel Dennett put forward, that is that religion was the nurse - the analogy that he came up with is that a 'nurse crop' - in this case, religion - will be planted that will keep weeds down and then the crop that is more important - science - is then sown. The latter grew from out of the former.
they'll tell you their religion started from humble beginnings with 13 people, but they'll tell you also that you're a minority and if more than half of the people believe something they must be on to something...
Science explains reality.
Religion runs from it.
False dichotomy
@@martinmoffat5417 Religion says the sun stood still in the sky for a whole day. Science says, no way! Everyone would have been flung out into space due to centrifugal forces.
No he's clear and concise short and to the point.You tell a religious person a fact and if it conflicts with their religion story/myth they turn and walk away
Oh yeah its not a dichotomy it's a mixed metaphor at best but who cares. Totally makes the point.
god bless oops 😂JK
@@richardgoodall8614 Doesn't sound like a sweeping statement at all. And by the way what accredited authority does a scientist derive out of his discipline to discredit theistic belief? Do you suggest anything he has said or says in this video should cause a religious person to become skeptical of their faith?
"Cause I said so"
has aways repelled me, no need to argue, no science necessary, no need to try to split hairs in a hurricane.
11:09 4:12 Twice these clips cut out with the speaker making a strong assertion that science conflicts with religion with no follow-up justification for the statement itself. The clip just ends? Were we just supposed to have accepted these claims on authority?
@@martinmoffat5417It’s pretty simple if you just study science, and study the dogma of a religion. The dogma makes claims about reality that is objectively falsifiable. Not to mention that many mainstream religious text, like the Bible, present a god that contradicts itself, and makes illogical decisions, based on emotion’s that doesn’t fit a being of that stature. You have evidence based science showing that reality is this, and people believing nonsense, based on me book said so, or me pastor said so, or me feelings said so. Authority based beliefs based on circular logic, gets you nowhere. That’s the thing about science mate, authorities aren’t needed. Anyone makes a claim, they better back it up with real evidence, or that claim isn’t gonna get very far. The facts and science are there, all you have to do is look them up, or go do the science yourself. No need to take someone’s word on it, or just believe it, because me book said so.
@@martinmoffat5417Hell, as a former Christian, for over 30 years, I can easily tell you my morals were, and currently are, higher than the god presented in the Bible, or any other mainstream religion. That’s because ethnics come from Evolution, as we are a social species. Ethics of the time, defines religious dogma. Not the other way around. For example, the god most Christians believe in, isn’t the one that’s presented in the text. It’s an idealized version of that god, with most of the unpleasant things removed, that doesn’t align. When it does align, you get really confused people, doing really bad things.
“Correct me if I’m wrong” is not a statement you’ll hear from a priest or an Imam.
No, those two just gaslight at full speed ahead.
Google "illusory truth effect"
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@@JohnShinn1960 this does look interesting. Thanks.
But from a humble Christian mystic you will
To believe in God from hope of reward or fear of punishment is NOT to believe in God.
But the end result is what we get - routinely immoral while highly self righteous religionists!
Show us the way. Christianity through the moral design framework allows good and e(vil) to exist outside of the realms of preference and personal taste. It frees a person justly and rationally say that what Hitler did was e(vil) regardless of what I or anyone else thinks or might say about it. A person is not forced to simply self perpetuate themselves into society and politics always intent on finding pieces of themselves in every institution. In Christianity you can put down your self aggrandizing schemes and sit down for a Thanksgiving Dinner that actually provides an outlet for all the gratitude and wonder that swells up in ones heart. I accept your statement that God should be praised whether he s(lay) us or redeem us.
@@martinmoffat5417 Belief is not evidence.
Which religion are you? The Bible talks a lot about these things. A great deal, and churches too. Are you talking about the Bahai religion? Deism?
Or is this just words in a sentence? Even the Bible says it's good to be fearful, but
the God of A Course in Miracles does not.
@@douglascutler1037 Faith consists of evidence.
Religion is lie based, not evidence based.
Religion is Fear based. They prey on your most basic fears to commit the most heinous crimes, crimes of mind and human integrity 😮
Religion is where inalienable rights come from. No religion, no rights just blind pitiless indifference
@@martinmoffat5417 Speaking of human rights . . . Jesus failed to speak out against slavery when the had the chance. He healed the Roman slave but then somehow forgot to set him free. Jesus had a great deal to say about other social issues like marriage but slavery was not high on his list, apparently.
@@martinmoffat5417
Yeah, lies. All the way.
Even this is based on complete lies.
It is again just asserted without good evidence.
Woman for instance, in religion, have their rights stripped.
Religion talks about slavery and submission, meaning rights stripped.
"pitiless indifference"
This is just your fear, and it is just based on a lie.
No religion just means no more lies.
God is not even possible, so everything you claim about Godless people, is wrong anyway.
Everyone is Godless, even if you tell yourself you are not.
Even if you force yourself to believe.
This means that everything you claim comes from god, just comes from fallable man.
Just cut out the lies, just cut out your self deception, and start living a normal life.
You want to do good anyway, so nothing will change for you.
@@martinmoffat5417 inalienable rights come from humanism, which came about in SPITE of religious doctrines of the time.
Beautiful!! Religion will always have a place among the foolish and naive….but I look forward to a world where it is correctly understood as myth and superstition.
2:10 the scientific process justifies itself by producing results.
A mobile phone works, for example, because of all the millions of hours of scientific research into electronics, glass making, satellite (GPS) technology, UV stabilizers (don't want your plastic case to crumble apart in the sun, do we?). It works, and everyone uses it because science got it absolutely right, over and over and over.
Yes, but the results prove the universe is intelligible which is not predicted by a universe born out blind pitiless indifference
@broski365: The scientific process justifies itself by always being open to new evidence and being willing to change its mind if that evidence disproves a previously accepted belief.
@@Merlinever No it doesn't. Intelligent design is prohibited by a lot of the establishment. Science is full of bias like anything else, as scientists are sinners like everybody else.
Yet evolution has no such results yet people buy it 🤔??
The day that the medieval mind, is finally unshackled from the grip of religious dogma, will be... "a good thing, too."
The problem is our primitive tribal instincts can override our intellect. Any demagogue can arouse our primitive instincts making intellectuals the enemy.
@@bobs182 Maybe your "intellect" concept can explain the continuous existence of everything from atom to universe. ?
So forget your 'tribal instincts' and consider the existence of all that is. (including yourself and millions of others !)
@@electricmanist Accept the fact that you and everything exists. Do you not exist? Just because our anthropomorhpic minds flawed by evolution asks a question doesn't mean it is a meaningful question. Our anthropomorphic minds aren't objective. This is it and you are it.
This is true wisdom here. NOT the kind that religion claims they have based on THEIR specific religion and worldview. THEY all claim to know the ONE true god but they are all completely different with different claims. It’s almost as though it’s all made up by different groups of men…
No kidding,!
I never make YT comments, but I gotta put this out there. I was raised INSANELY Catholic, and after growing up and using common sense, I’m easily an Atheist now. But that shit fucked up how my brain works completely. I’m legit having an existential crisis at 23 years old. Anyone else?
Losing the religion of your youth is painful. I’ve been through it. It does do a number on your psyche. I’ve found a good counselor and a great friend or two is the best remedy
I understand, as I was raised Catholic as well and attended 8 years of the Catholic school. As I look back, I consider that as child abuse. I had an abusive childhood at home as well. After many years, I finally accepted the fact that I'm an Atheist. That created freedom, peace, and joy. I'm glad that you're recognizing how harmful religion is at your young age. Healing is possible with professional guidance and support. I wish you well.
Religion is about belief in the supernatural. Science is about understanding reality.
The supernatural is in fact reality. The physical realm is not really reality: it is only for a short time.
Which is why religion is made up and not good for humanity!
Science is about validating claims made against reality regardless of if that reality is natural or otherwise. Religion just fails to remain internally consistent so falls apart.
@@rickkay9548 Christianity is not a religion.
@@lawrence1318 lol tell that to all the people in it who think it is. All the thousands of different sects disagree with you.
The fact that believers require more evidence that a car they are purchasing is safe and operational before they buy it, then evidence they require for God is ridiculous. No one bases the meaning of life on a car they drive. But, for a belief in a god that they do define their life by they require little to no evidence. It's bizarre.
And that car has the driver well protected , it needs only a couple of fluids to function , you can leave it without gas for months without it dying and it doesnt blow up randomly which means human engineers designed a car better than god designed the human body.
It is ridiculous, but so effective is the brainwashing from a young age that one is taught to not question, just believe.
@@TheZodiacRipper WTH are you talking about? Human spontaneous combustion?
Makes sense actually. PeopIe were self centered for the longest time.
@@Amanita._.Verosa._. Belief in a personal god is in fact a form of narcissism.
Ah, the epistemology of authority.
11:09 4:12 Twice these clips cut out with the speaker making a strong assertion that science conflicts with religion with no follow-up justification for the statement itself. The clip just ends? Were we just supposed to have accepted these claims on authority?
@@martinmoffat5417 Bible says the first luminous day and dark night came on the first day of creation and the sun not until the fourth day of creation. A good example of a science conflicting with religion.
Which we all have to be careful about.
...Thunder in the background.... I think you've upset Thor.
As long as religionists are creating new generations of children who are immediately immersed in their beliefs religion will never go away.
What’s different is they can no longer shelter them from opposing views. They’re a click away. The fastest growing sector is those who don’t believe.
@benjamintrevino325: The only two things sustaining religion are mankind's terrible fear of death and childhood religious indoctrination; without either, all religions would find their way to the graveyard of religion, mythology.
Authority works inn an environment of mass ignorance wherein the few who were literate had religious, social, economic, and political powers.
Authority works pretty good in our climate too as we saw with cov(id)- 19,20,21,22. Not to mention the 170 m who were systematically put to death at hands of various governments over the 20th century. Or what about the scenarios where scientists breach their disciplines with the pretence of being authoritative about matters such as Philosophy, Theology and History. I have my answer inscribed though out the entirety of the this videos comments
@@martinmoffat5417 So question authority. Got it. Great!
@@martinmoffat5417 Pretending and actually having authority are two different things in the secular world. Not so in religion. Immutable authority as in that given to god, head of religious entity, clergy/imam/rabbi/monk is the cornerstone of any religion.
You seem obsessive over covid. Must be a story there...
There are hard questions without good answers. ”God” is a marker for ignorance. I prefer ”I don’t know”.
Consider the intelligence/power within and behind all matter. It is continuous remember ! So because it IS continuous, and you are a part of it, then you need to become aware of that fact.
Religion is based on magical beliefs 😊
Science describes nature.
Religion describes human nature
Science is amoral, it uncovers relationships
Religion is morality encoded in a philosophical system.
Scientific exploration does not prescribe how a discovery is to be used. (The atomic bomb)
Religion provides guidelines for what constitutes acceptable harm ( minimum harm based on the Golden Rule)
Science, if evolutionary principles are applies to the human race, dictates the most genetically fit survive, and, in a zero sum game, the less fit should not be permitted to reproduce.
Religion claims all humans have value which cannot be determined by "fitness."
The left brain parses reality into categories and applies verbal reasoning to the things it simplifies into objects within categories.
The right brain which is non-verbal, processes reality as gestalt, as processes.
Atheism rejects the right brain's wisdom, drowns it out with words and thoughts driven by "ego,"
Religion is necessary to balance humanity and to provide insight into what permits human flourishing.
...and the use of language as mere words.
I have yet to see (witness) a magician produce anything-- (e.g. atomic structures) out of nothing, Yet we are surrounded (and part) of this intelligent atomic universe ! Creation is far beyond any silly magical concepts since it is a continuous intelligent force.
@@electricmanist Magic as stage craft, magic as miracle, a magical sence of awe at the manifestations of nature.
@@arthurwieczorek4894 Einstein had a magical sense of awe at the manifestations of nature second to none.
Even so, Einstein remained primarily an atheist with occasional lapses into scientific pantheism as in the Laws of Nature as God. But even as a pantheist, Einstein saw no need, nor evidence for, either a supernatural or personal God.
What a great man
He used the slns of the religious to bury his own. I've seen it a million times. God will not be fooled. Every person must give an account and there is only one other person who can cover sln. Seek the light while you still can
@@martinmoffat5417 I'd argue that you've never seen it once. Please explain exactly how you've seen that occur and so it in a way that is provable and not some metaphor or "experience" you felt
@@mr_mr Your challenge is impossible on your terms by definition so I do not accept them. I’ve seen it in myself first and foremost. I’ve heard it from the testimonies of those who were once exhausted by the darkness and have now stepped into the light knowing that their deeds would be exposed but in full expectation that the riches of Gods mercies would be fully manifest.
@@martinmoffat5417 it's always the case.
No one has ever proven these things, so I understand
"It's a good thing too." Jonathon Miller cheers at the end.
How can Steven Weinberg say that he respects some of his friend's belief that science could be/should be combined with religious beliefs when science and religious dogma are so glaringly incompatible?
Thanks to the OP for reminding us of this great man.
He was one reason that it such a terrible thing, the march of time. I can wish people like him could stay forever.
SCIENCE > RELIGION
Try both, covid19.
Or richard dawkins. Rip Hitch.
@@SleepyPenguin-8og Duh . . . . . ?????????
@@SleepyPenguin-8og What's with cov-19?
@@Seticzech lol good one.
religion: the oldest grift
really neat points
I am impressed. An unapologetic anti-theist.
Religion relies on authority, and, I would add, motivated reasoning. Indeed, all religions elevate motivated reasoning to virtue status.
One of the biggest issues is that religion sees their holy texts as evidence on par with scientific evidence. That's why you can't sway the vast majority of them and why they think of anyone who disagrees with them (those of different faiths and scientists alike) as being willfully blind and ignorant.
Christian's don't. Christian's rely on the Holy Spirit for evidence. He is in fact their evidence. So you need to go to a good church and hear what the gospel is about, for at present you are punching away in the dark.
@@lawrence1318 Holy spirit is nonsense, gospels are one big lie based on hallucinations of one individual. There is no such thing as good church.
@@lawrence1318so basically, what he said?
@@PotatoPirate123 No. The point is knowing God doesn't depend on a book. Knowing God depends on evidence. That evidence consists of the indwelling Holy Spirit who tells one that Jesus Christ is Lord.
@@lawrence1318 the point is that you don’t *know* any of this, there is literally no reason for you to believe this at all other than that you’ve been raised by your parents to believe it, or you’ve had a major event in your life that’s led you to believing in something that has zero evidence other than faith to back it up.
"Science is a moral choice". I would argue it is the only moral choice.
Another intelligent voice silent. RIP Professor Weinberg.
I see the existence of a god, a soul and the afterlife as a failed hypothesis... it sounded logical in the days as an understanding for certain phenomena, like near death experiences, gaps in scientific understanding, demonic possession turned out to be multiple personality disorder, psychosis, ...
It never yielded any 'next steps', there's nothing we can say that 'if there wouldn't be a soul we could not explain this phenomenon'... a bit like phlogiston, a failed hypothesis.
All gods. All religions. All "holy" texts. The creations of mankind.
Without scientific method we are not even posting on the Internet as we do now. The secrets of electricity were never given in ANY Holy texts.
But have you forgotten the very existence of all that is ?---from each atom to the entire universe ? (Not to mention the very intelligence expressed within all its functions? )
So forget your protests about "holy texts" etc and consider the intelligence behind, and expressed in all that is.
If you think all this comes from nowhere, then you really have no concept of absolute 'nothingness" !
@@electricmanist Einstein sometimes used 'god talk'. For him it was a type of short hand for the sheer awesomeness and wonder of existence, much as you describe yourself. But he meant the Laws of Nature as God. Einstein also had the humility to accept there much we simply DO NOT KNOW. Better than imposing a false face upon the Great Mystery like true believers do just to make themselves feel better.
And religious types should not be so smug, either. It is entirely possible to deeply feel the profound mystery and wonder of our universe without resorting to magical thinking.
Meanwhile, you still have scientific ZERO evidence for a supernaturally intervening or personal God - let alone that silly talking donkey thing in Numbers.
And if the talking donkey in Numbers is just an unmarked fable then maybe most of the Bible is simply that, unmarked fable, myth, legend and metaphor.
@@douglascutler1037 Thank you for your EMail. and your interesting comments. Indeed it is true regarding the awesomeness and wonder of Creation.
However, if I may move on past your references to 'talking donkeys', fables and myths, perhaps I could move on to something more 'modern' so as to speak.
You see the advent of modern medicine has led to many more people being resuscitated from an otherwise natural death. Indeed many of these resuscitations have resulted in those who would otherwise have died, being revived.
Many have not only been annoyed (for want of a better word) at being resuscitated, but have recounted a new sense of wonder at the new 'world' they briefly glimpsed/experienced before being 'forcibly' returned to the 'old' !
Rather than spend time going into details, perhaps you would care to open You Tube NDE's (Near Death Experiences'.)
Just in case these accounts might seem too much for you to initially accept, open one such example by Doctor Eban Alexander (a Neurosurgeon) who ''died', recovered and recounted his experience in another world. (An educated professional man who knows up from down, so as to speak ! )
There are many other such accounts of Near Death Experiences on You Tube. I might respectively add, investigate and learn about the reality of spiritual existence, rather than donkey fables.
As an experimental condensed matter graduate student, I definitely don’t understand general relativity better than Einstein did. Sorry Dr. Weinberg.
I've never felt that someone who got there first as a hero, they are at most a guide in the realm of science. I do agree with his basic argument against religions though.
You think god likes religion? If he does exist, I think he'd make something better than stupid religion
Yep
Religion relies on faith and assertions not on authority.
Also it helps if you don't question the assertions.
Religious faith and religious authoritarianism are actively used to buttress each other.
Notice that we are not told to have faith in EVERY claim - which would be reasonable if faith were really such a good thing as it's made out to be - but only in PARTICULAR claims.
We're not told to have faith while handling gasoline or crossing a busy street, but to have faith in a certain invisible power for which a certain authority claims to speak. It's the authority telling us to have faith in its authority to tell us where to place our faith.
On faith in what? Some authoritarian supernatural entity.
Oh, it definitely relies on authority
Faith is a personal thing. Authority whether it's the local clergy, the diocese, Church, Vatican, etc implement the normative practices on the pain of those who rebel against them going to the eternal flames.
@@9y2bgy 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I have a complete list of all of the evidence for the gods that exist:
Thank you for listening.
Have a great day.
I'm convinced!
Shut up and take my money!
RepentTo the PastaGod. He boiled for your sins and loves you! He wants to save you from heII! RepentBefore it is too late! 🍝 🙏🏻😊
@@douglascutler1037 Indeed. I'm not sure Hitchens could've tackled this pov. Too powerful.
Kalam Cosmological Argument - Teleological Argument - Ontological Argument - Moral Argument - Historical Testimony - Archaeological Evidence - Eyewitness Accounts of Jesus - Bl00d and Testimony of Martyrs - Experiential Evidence - Fulfilled Prophecy - Fulfillment of the Great Commission - The Deep Longing of Mankind Etc…
If however, you mean that you didn't find the painter in the painting and the engineer mixed in with the furniture than I can get behind that. But I believe we would be guilty of making a categorical error to suspect such a thing.
:-) The human body is burly, gnarly and surly like a fractal.
Religion was designed to keep the masses in line. Everything in these text is about the individual becoming subservient to a higher being. This consciously and subconsciously translates into the believer becoming subservient to their leaders here on Earth. That combined with teachings that their rulers are in some way chosen by God results in people become willing to endure terrible treatment by these rulers until a breaking point is finally reached.
Subjective is how you play the game. Objective is how the game is to be played. In this way objectivity is directly linked to design. If the universe was designed it follows that we are subject to the designers rules regardless as to whether we consider them moral or not. If on the other hand we are somehow born out of blind pitiless indifference then everything is permissible and nothing is truly good or evil but simply labels made up by those who wish to control you. This ideology binds us to the whims of those who hold power and there is no God to stop them. This ideology disproportionately empowers those who hold the seat of influence and is thus highly corruptible. As for me I will take my seat at the foot of mountain and receive the teaching of Jesus.
Evil men will use whatever means necessary to control you. Even a belief system that establishes human sanctity (imago Dei) esteems the poor, the slave and the women (We are all one in Christ Jesus). Even a belief system that holds the Golden Rule (Do as you would be done by). Even a belief system that forbids religious warfàré (If my kingdom was of this world my servants would fight). By this we know that it is the institution that corrupts but man who corrupts the institutions. (All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God)
@@martinmoffat5417 God is going to ask you why you turned your back on all those millions who died from gas car air pollution. Maybe you didn't know before but now you do. So now vote for politicians who want to rid the world of fossil fuels with a transition to clean energy which is now cheaper anyway. God will smile and call this loving your neighbour.
"Dammit, I think they were right, and a good thing too"
I have no place for ‘religion’ in my life.
My relationship with my God is direct and very personal.
The moment you introduce third parties into this relationship, you focus becomes blurred.
How would you find out about it without a third party? And if your relationship is with the God of the Bible, He demands worship and tithing.
You can choose to sidestep that part, of course, but then it's not the God of the Bible you believe in.
@@benjamintrevino325
Wood pulp and ink of earthly origin.
Google "illusory truth effect"
No place for religion but do you still believe in a talking donkey because the Bible tells you so?
Religion Noun
Belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially gods
You're belief in god is religious by definition lol
A house built on sand clings tocognitive dissonance.
"restricted by their means, mechanical voices explain what i have seen"
With religion we lose humanity. Defend it and you are antihuman
Abso-bloody-lutely.
Both sides of the debate, very convincing.both are dreamt up, even the convincing parts.the infinite which always incarnates into the dreamstate does not know what will be dreamt
Samuel Beckett on God… “The Bastard, He doesn’t exist.” What is clear is that, if humans are made in his image, He is a monstrosity. Life on the planet is 3.800,000,000 years old. Should we attempt to figure things out? Not us; not nowadays.
Becket had his issues, and limited understandings of what God represents.
And surely not love as humans insist it be
Look to AI, humanity's attempt to create God. And this God truly will be a God which truly will care nothing about its servants, especially about individual humans.
We kill an "Infinitely Loving but 99.9999% "hands off Deity" because it usurps our authority, tells us to delay gratification, not do what does bring harm, and doesn't happen to be small enough that we can make sense of it and we can project our notions of "What constitutes 'good and evil, right and wrong,' on it and mock and ridicule it because "we are smarter than rhat."
But, why does no atheist ( except maybe Alex O'Conner) grasp the utter futility and absurdity of believing God must be a certain way, and then believing their "image of God"or image of how they read what others believe God is like, and NOT see that what their categorizing limited left hemisphere ( sorry, South paws!) I'd generating cannot POSSIBLY be a God?
Believers know their head cannot hold what a God must truly be like. Yet, atheists reject the utterly limited images their brains create, gods which are ridiculous, but never seeing what they are rejecting, they created.
And, no human creation even fits the definition of an immortal being, because their creation dies with them.
Make sense?
@@glenliesegang233 "Make sense?" No, you make no sense.
Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3 . . .
We kind of took The Science as gospel during Covid, and we weren't allowed to question the efficacy or safety of the vaccines. So don't get too smug guys.
💕 this great scientist
"Religion relies on authority," is often a true statement. But in many cases, including my own, it relies on direct experience. I'm thinking of St. Francis, St. Augustine, St. Thomas, Hildegaard of Bingham, and thousands more people over two milennia.
Many consider you delusional.
My experience is enough to trust that the miracles in my life are not mere coincidence.
The atheists wish to kill God, not grasping that they saw the branch on which they are sitting comfortably.
No Imago Dei, no Enlightenment.
They all experienced 'god' only in their minds, much as you likely did. There is no good evidence for any of the gods we have imagined over the years. 2000 years of Christian saints have not given us one bit of reliable, testable proof for anything supernatural.
If personal testimony is all you require to believe something, then you must believe every religion is true. As are UFO's, alien abductions, the Loch Ness monster and Big Foot. I doubt you do. So what make you think Christianity is any different? Before you answer, consider the entire narrative of the belief, and ask yourself would any sane person believe that if they had not been indoctrinated from birth?
There can be no forgiveness for those who would destroy the gift of sight each child is given when they look upon His Creation and sees Him.
You mean subjective experience, and the narscsism of those who will only explain said experience to themselves as supernatural interaction with a god while ignoring the many rational explanations possible.
Nevermind the fact that these experiences are had by peoples of all faiths, who all see and interpret their experience according to their individual enculturation.
@@joshuaf.3723 Everyone in our narcissistic culture is not a narcissist. Most politicians might be highly self-centered with big egos, but they aren't all narcissists. I find remarkable similarities in the writings of Christian mystics with whom I'm becoming familiar and in my own less full experiences. Beyond that, Thomas Merton, Alan Watts, and others find interesting parallels in other traditions but I can't speak to those. I celebrate that mysticism escapes the boundaries of logical positive rationalism. To jump centuries, "Religion within the limits of pure reason," is pure reason. I find far more connections to real experience in analogical imagination or poetry. Alan Watts quotes C. G. Jung in Watts' book "In My Own Way," "A great deal of my present work is in helping people who underwent great spiritual crises during the war. When those who lived it tried to tell the tale to their friends it was shrugged off as some kind of hallucination, a brief fit of insanity in a desperate situation. When those people come to me, as they often do, I have the happy opportunity of showing them that for once in their lives they were truly sane."
Why must I believe in the afterlife ???????????😢
There is a type of scientific pantheist argument for eternal life. This is in the sense that life comes from nature, aka energy of matter, and all matter and energy ultimately issues from the singularity of the big bang. And conscientiousness is one of the innate properties of matter and energy - albeit requiring special conditions. We are all then shards of the cosmic life force, if you will.
Except this is an afterlife far more rarified and very much beyond the egocentric afterlife of religion.
Religion as a record of spiritual practices can be considered similar to science. What they say is we did x,y,z and had these supernatural experiences..if you do x,y,z you will have similar experiences...Ramana Maharshi recommended self inquiry and not belief...
Science relies on facts
Religion relies on experience or truth
Science talked about opposites ….positive and negatives.
Religion talked about A and different from A
It took years for science to think in terms of A and different from A….here there exists a relationship…or difference…called relativity
You either believe the things we have at least some evidence for or that for which we have no evidence at all.
What kind of evidence are you looking for? Do you look for the painter existence within his painting or the engineer to mixed in with the furniture? You are making a categorical error
@@martinmoffat5417 Scientific method says only believe the results of controlled experiments and observations.
I believe the scientific evidence found in the base 64 digital encoding and decoding which also encodes every process of metabolism and cellular reproduction is proof enough to convince me a God-likr being created it.
All scientists should agree, also.
Dawkins said DNA base sequences are digital code, megabyte equivalents in the simplest motile bacterium.
Scientific proof uses mathematically precise statistics to rule in and rule out hypotheses for the discovery of truth from appearance.
The hypothesis, "Digitally encoded information can arise from random processes," is rejected.
The hypothesis that random processes can create order specified by information," is rejected.
The hypothesis that "Life as it appeared on Earth in 2 unique schema of replication being encoded by random processes," rejected.
There is no alternative to random processes than non-random processes.
Symbolic information only is created by living organisms with nervous systems or machines built by intelligent beings.. therefore Life on Earth was built by intelligent beings,, whose intelligence level is infinitely higher than human.
Such an intelligence meets the description of the words "God-like."
The scientific community must accept its own evidence , methods, and conclusions, or else it must reject its own methods of testing reality in other cases.
Dies this constitute sufficient proof for you?
@@martinmoffat5417 I know a watchmaker is needed to make a watch but does he plant a few cogs and come back a couple of months later to collect his watch. No so why use snake oil salesman tactics. There are plants and a small tree in my garden nobody put them there no intervention at all was needed. Why are there thousands of gods and the main criteria for your god is usually geography. If your god is so powerful why did your god start his religion in a small corner of the middle east and not globally. When I look for evidence I want real evidence not some philosopher telling me that 1. without god the clouds could not be white and fluffy. 2 The clouds are white and fluffy 3. therefore god
We are born atheist and stay that way until someone usually parents convinces you to join their cult. God needs man man does not need god
@@truthgiver8286 As far as evidence goes I don't suspect you would have me point to what tree God is entwined with or what galaxy he resides as that would be categorical error akin to looking for a painter in his painting or an engineer to be mixed in the household furniture. On the other hand if an engineer might exist we might reasonably infer this if we were to walk into designed building to see a place for everything and everything in its place. Design infers Intent infers Intellect infer Mind infers Personhood
(unless of course your an atheist, in which case refer back to, "no evidence show me the tree or street address")
Good video. Always good videos. I'll be back...
( :ﾟ皿ﾟ) This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.
Science begins to explain origins. Then it illegally changes lanes into philosophizing that there is no contingent purpose to mans origin and existence
But why the music?
Science cannot detect anything unchanging.
Unless you question doctor Fauci then you're questioning science. He is the science. 😂😂
God is the Unknown, immeasurable. Science and religion are knowledge, measure systems.
How do you know about this "unknown, immeasurable" god?
And while science - or more accurately, the discoveries made by science - are known and measurable, religion is faith based. It measures nothing more than the depths of our imagination and gullibility.
Even if your admire God's majestic universe, it was science that gave us 20 TRILLION galaxies. The Bible could not even describe a single star accurately - let a alone even one galaxy.
@@AJPemberton we can know the Unknown is immeasurable because the beginning cannot be measured. We can only measure what happens after the beginning because measurement takes time. We can only know events that have happened. Science and religion thinking is as you point out but fundamentally they are both thought systems. They both come to conclusions about what reality should be.
Moving the goalposts.
How old is this interview? Religion isn't a problem in the US?
The religious trolls in the comments are trying their best. Unfortunately they will never see the errors in their arguments.
Maybe you would care to explain the very existence of all matter-- from the energy within all atomic structures, to the existence of the universe.
So forget your "religious trolls" concept and concentrate on the intelligent power behind and within all that is !
@@electricmanist you wouldn't understand
@@richardhedd3080 Rather than respond to your rather sarcastic reply, perhaps if I directed you to UA-cam-Near Death Experiences-- Dr Eban Alexander- a neurosurgeon who experience a serious illness-- died and experienced another dimension of reality.
Not to mention hundreds of other who have experienced a NDE.-- also recounted on You Tube. !
If a trained neurosurgeon doesn't know what he is talking about (his personal experience), then feel free to stick to your 3 dimensional (limited) reality. The latter is excellent for going around in pointless circles.
Great video, except...in one spot, he said religion when he meant to say science, kind of contrasting religion with itself.
Religion helps with moral development, losing loved ones, and facing our own mortality.We basically use our imagination and pretend something better lies ahead for us and our loved ones.
On the other hand, religion causes decent people to be in a constant fear of God's disapproval in every day life; some people drive themselves insane trying to appease an overly stringent creator.
Im personally an agnostic and don't adhere to any particular religious doctrine. That being said, I think Taoism comes closest to representing what is actually happening in this weird existence.
White lies are just lies.
Not helps. Basic morality is inherent in everyone
Keyword “pretend”. Why not accept the truths modern science has uncovered about the universe? It would be healthier for a child to grow up being taught to question things like authority instead of being fed lies to comfort them. Personally, I learned morals through simply existing in the world and seeing the harm other humans cause. Religion has no bearing on moral development.
The best scientists were sometimes Christians. They didn’t seem to think there was a conflict.
Are you aware of the correlation fallacy? Just because two things happen at the same time does not mean they are directly related. Great scientists who HAPPENED to be raised Christian may have achieved great things IN SPITE OF being Christian. And to say there was no conflict between the progress of science and religious authority is against the history.
Galileo lived his last years under house arrest for having offended the Church authorities of the day with his sun-centered universe.
Newton was a deist who believed in a stand-apart creator God who did not intervene supernaturally in the laws of his creation. He was also fascinated by alchemy and the occult.
Darwin was Christian but hesitated to publish his theories on evolution because he knew they would offend many of his contemporaries.
@@douglascutler1037 Correlation fallacy exists. These geniuses were independent minded people who didn’t accept the status quo in science. Do you honestly think they blindly accepted their handed down faith? That would go against their characters. Mind you it would fit in with your unlikely scenario….which is obviously why you suggest it. Of course your explanation also goes against present day leading scientists who came to faith in Christianity later in life after being raised as agnostics or atheists. God made the universe. God revealed his triune nature in Jesus. Jesus is the way the truth and the life and left the Shroud of Turin as evidence of his crucifixion.
@@johnfrancis4401 Please -- who were "the best scientists were sometimes christians"? Name some. Also the authenticity of the Shroud. Can you provide a citation for that?
@@Sue-xv8os Isaac Newton and Catholic Priest Reverend Georges LeMaitre who was the first postulator of the Big Bang origin of the Universe. And for the Turin Shroud check out Spacereinstitute.
Correction: The best scientists _happen_ to be christians.
No evidence for the afterlife ???????😢
Admittedly I didn't watch this video as it seems to be up there with the "for religious" videos, Why do we need arguments for or against, If someone wants to believe or disbelieve let them get on with it.
Ive seen too little by Weinberg
The personal self the ego self is all false and does not exist.we react according to our conditioning and genetics which we have no control over
Maybe not prophets, but there is a new sheriff in town, practically every ancient omnipotent is from The Pleiades, the radiant of our most recent visitor, The Taurid Meteor Stream. Crossing its pre-perihelion was The Ancient New Year of Five Unspeakable Days of Dread and is still commemorated today as The Halloween Fireballs, The Taurids, also known as The Festival of the Dead.
Religion and birth of reincarnation it’s like you had to be born
Who created GOD?
Noone as He said. Who created the multivers where flying spagetti-monsters exist atheists have to belief in blind? 😂
@@jaja9081 "Who created the multivers" Nobody.
"atheists have to belief in blind" What?
Excellent video. I think that one day, in the future, we will all realize that God does not exist. As the promises of religion continue to not occur. Then we can all get on with finding out the many wonders of this universe and what it is all about.
Yes, I must agree, god is not a good character!
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There is no science without God and no God without religion. Religion enslaves ... God sets us free.
Correction: there is no science without God and no God without science
@@ababich1 Could be true in a scientific pantheist definition of God. But that would rule out supernatural effects and something tells me that's not what you were going for.
Science has no godd and needs none.
ReIigion ensIaves as godd ensIaves.
There is science without a make believe god!
( ｀□´) The universe was created in 1976. It is too hot to make a universe at the time of the big bang. It can be created at anytime. God is slow and easy. A human can do a lot with their lifespan. I got the hunk. God got the chunk. Everyone else can have the rest. That is song spirit of ''76 by The Alarm.
Ju-berg
Beliefs in God
Hasn't anything to do with religion..lol 😅
So so sad people don't see the fool in the mirror. .
Time to wake up. Don't care what you believe. Just quit letting people treat you like a fool who can be taken advantage of..
This guy was making sense until he mentioned Darwinism; there's no such thing.
“This guy” ?? Well that guy was probably a thousand times smarter than you (and me) ….
Oh geezuz….
@@bluesbertje if you watched the video you would've heard it.
@@GoogleSucks-i1d I heard it…. My response was just that Steven Weinberg is not just “this guy”….
@@bluesbertje to you, maybe. But for you to try to push your personal preference on others is quite disrespectful. Your idol Steve is just some guy to me. (The only way I can be wrong is if he's really a she dressed up as a he 😅😂🤣😂😅).
Anyone who is so clueless on the theory of evolution AND Darwin's contribution gets no special treatment from me. There are literally millions of people more educated on the topic than that guy.
Don’t be gullible
11:09 4:12 Twice these clips cut out with the speaker making a strong assertion that science conflicts with religion with no follow-up justification for the statement itself. The clip just ends? Were we just supposed to have accepted these claims on authority?
Science tries to discover how the world works by being honest and open-minded. Religion has its story set in stone and will narrow-mindedly never look up from its book again. Even when it is so clearly outdated, wrong, and morally reprehensible.
(^_^)v Natural selection is the character flaw in evil that is integrity is more important than life otherwise evolution is tragic circumstances with nothing intelligent happening. Almost everyone survive until they reproduce. Nothing is getting selected except for the character flaw in evil. I found a replacement for the character flaw in evil that I liked but God makes me forget things that will cause me trouble.
Read you comment back to yourself and see if it makes sense. "Natural selection is the character flaw in evil..." What???
@@AJPemberton Natural selection is the character flaw in evil that is " integrity is more important than life ". Natural selection isn't something as amateurish as good gene, bad gene, neutral gene. People aren't accepting it because they never found anything intelligent in the universe.
@@AJPemberton natural selection is the character flaw in evil that is "integrity is more important than life ". People don't like it because they believe the universe is dead and only the mentally ill believe in an intelligent universe.
So if we are to take Weinberg's thoughts seriously, his expressed ideas are also meaningless--- not to mention his very existence.
Then of course, it follows that his god of science is also nothing more than a meaningless concept too !
To quote one well known literary phrase, ---"Much ado about (a) nothing !!
Science relies on evidence and , ultimately, relies on someone's authority and bias in establishing the protocol used in gathering evidence , someone's authority and bias to evaluate whether or not and to what degree that the protocol was followed, someones's authority and bias to determine how the evidence is to be analyzed, someone's authority and bias to determine what conclusions from the analysis can be drawn, someones authority and bias to draw policy implications from the conclusions drawn, and someone's authority and bias to implement and enforce that policy. This 'pure evidence' that sinners romanticize is as blatantly a figment of their imagination as they deem the great all-knowing, all creating God to be a figment of religionists' imagination.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what scientific methodology requires and what reliance on authority for truth involves. Given that you think all those who prefer to believe only what can be proven are 'sinners' I can be pretty sure where your bias and misunderstanding comes from. You are typing on a product of that science you so readily dismiss. How you can call that a figment of imagination is beyond me!
I do wonder which great all-knowing, all-creating God you have picked to believe in, but the results are almost interchangeable with any of the 1000s we have invented over the years.
orange jesus supreme leader
Nah, just a man who uses logic and the brain creation has given him.
@@JohnShinn1960 To deny the overwhelming scientific consensus on man-made climate change.
@@JohnShinn1960you mispelt "evolution"
Its not spelt "creation"
@@drsatan3231 Ok,
Nah, just a man who uses logic and the brain evolution has given him.
@@JohnShinn1960 better
Science relies on evidence to do science, and religion relies on authority to do religion. Sorry! But what are you expecting? That religion rely on evidence to do what? To do science? If religion starts to posit doctrines based on empirical evidence, then it by default becomes an enterprise to deal with the patterns of the physical world, thus a part of science. I think you haven't thought it through. You want everything to be science? Poetry doesn't have a science of poetry? Music doesn't demand evidence, ethics doesn't demand evidence, philosophy doesn't demand evidence. And what if I told you that, even the science and most of it, posits stuff without evidence? And scientists are believe in, which would otherwise be called absurdities, without demanding for evidence?
No... one "religon" is based on history, proven by logic and science mutiple time.
This "argument" you made refere tonthe religion called atheism that is based on deny, proven wrong by history, science and logic and is all about control to make their own rules.
@@jaja9081 "one "religon" is based on history, proven by logic and science mutiple time" 😀No.
"religion called atheism" Atheism is not religion. 😀
@@Seticzech you are wrong in both of youre claims...
The Word atheism means = "BELIEF against/without god/gods"
But i know why atheists even deny to be a religion, when the highest atheists went to supreme courts to be known as religion.
You know why? To NOT being questioned at all because atheISM has no answer, not one Single proof or even a argument that is also incoherend with EVERYTHING we know. Just bl1nd faith.
@@jaja9081 I'm not, atheism mean lack of belief in gods, it's literally WITHOUT theism.
"But i know why atheists even deny to be a religion" Atheism is religion as much as not collecting stamps is hobby or baldness is hair colour.
"atheISM has no answer" Atheism is not about any answers, it's just "I don't believe in gods".
"Just bl1nd faith." Theism relies on blind faith, not atheism. 😀
@@Seticzech Show me in the Word atheism where the "Lack of" is and i will belief you.
And yes... atheism isnt about answers, truth or finding the truth, that is why they are so low ìn 🧠, low in nobelprices but full of deny.
A manmade religion of 🥔🥔🥔
Private interest sponsors act as gatekeepers to science, with a contrasting need to assume authority in order to exact tribute.
WTF ????
@@georgesheffield1580 Some science is just Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
@@markwrede8878 Citations, please.
@@douglascutler1037 Etymology of the word "capital."
@@markwrede8878 So, no citations.
Science aims to explain a perfect natural order of the world pre determined before science even became a thing. Religion is a document of the world before science. How can you determine how the world was created and how everything works when you study the aftermath? The religious texts are a literal document of the how things work
Like Atheism generally
Boring, heard it all before, unsubtle, untrue, oversimplification, uninspiring un poetic, without hope.
Read the parable of the Good Samaritan.
If you’re not soul dead and live in the real world and felt for its suffering you might see it’s a priceless work of art infinitely more valuable then a Rubens or Van Gough full of eternal truths. goodbye atheism!
Funny, I find religious dogma to be boring, oversimplification and untrue.
AdHominem is not an argumentt. It is a personaI attackk in the lack of one.
The Bible's knowledge of the cosmos is far ahead of current science.
Examples?
@@Sue-xv8os The Bible reports supernatural events almost as a normal part of life. Perhaps they were then and are now.
If scientists could prove the existence of the supernatural world that could be the greatest scientific discovery of the age.
Science may be close now. I also believe that we can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
Circumstantial evidence indicates the supernatural world is the real world, the "norm" and our known world is a smaller subset of that.
@@Sue-xv8os The Bible reports supernatural events almost as a normal part of life. Perhaps they were then
and are now.
If science could prove the existence of the supernatural world that could be the scientific discovery of the age.
Science may be close now. I also believe that we can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
Circumstantial evidence indicates the supernatural world is the real world, the "norm" and our known world
is a smaller subset of that.
Science gives us an expanding universe of trillions of galaxies each with billions of stars.
The Bible could not even describe a single star accurately, not one. The Bible - aka Word of God - thought stars were comets and meteorites, not other suns. Coincidentally, so did mortal men of the day.
@@edwardvan5808 Try defending the Red Sea parting "beyond a reasonable doubt" in a court of law-- or a human turning to salt -- or a moon turning to blood -- or a stick turning into a serpent -- or a plague of frogs in Egypt -- these aren't supernatural events; they are products of crazed minds.
Science theories. Religion experiance.
You ignorant.
"experiance"
More like illiteracy and lack of logical thinking skills.
Heroes of modern science Isaac Newton, Kepler, Galileo
“Men became scientific because they expected law in nature and they expected law in nature because they believed in a law giver”. - C.S Lewis
And humanity has moved on since.
The author? Yeah, that's an opinion that matters.
Which doesn’t make the law giver real.
That's Appeal to authority.
Also, science has no heroes, just observers. If not them, then somebody else.
6:26 Way to turn the philosophically deduced primal causal agency back into the chicken & egg fallacy. Not to mention idea of a Darwinian arriving god as again the same fallacy. You guys figured out long ago that priests should not dictate scientific realities and it’s about time you learned that scientists for the same reason ought not to dictate philosophy
Religion doesn’t dictate science the same way the tooth fairy doesn’t dictate how a car should run. It has no place to do so anymore. Its white noise, it’s nonsense
You’re so desperate to make your fairytales remain relevant. Its sad
Scientific epistemology has consistently been the most accurate method humans have developed to determine truth and what is rationally correct. This knowledge informs and provides truths which allow modern philosophy to be correct.
@@joshuaf.3723 Yes but the disciplines of knowledge are not antithetical to one another. Whether it be science, philosophy, history, psychology or theology there is a place for everything and everything in its place. This will ensure the most informed and robust conclusions can be drawn.
@@martinmoffat5417 theism is not a methodology which is interested in the truth. Theology is basically a discipline of rationalizations for a non-rational worldview.
Scientific epistemology is rationally logical based on empirical knowledge, theism is not, so I would say they are antithetical to one another.
@@joshuaf.3723 At best your argument suggests they are not the same thing and have different methodologies. I am of course assuming that in referring to theism you are meaning to refer to theology. To prove that they are antithetical you would need to show that one precludes the other.