got to say we used LCMR in Afghanistan in 2008, and they forward deployed with us rapidly in the recce Viking units for 16 AAB and 45 Cdo, we also had a FIST team co-located with us also and LEWT to add to our lethality.
Given the recent cut's in the manpower of the British Army- how can an ISTAR unit operate with effect when there are fewer and fewer troops in their rear backing them up? In the 1984 exercise Lionheart in Germany, practicing to re-inforce the British Army ferried 750 main battle tanks across the Rhine on mobile bridges. In comparison the British Army plans for 128 tanks now.
Because the days of large scale warfare is over mate. Tanks are some of the most vulnerable pieces of equipment on the battlefield in the modern era. Large formations of troops it’s not 1940 anymore mate. Conventional warfare is pretty much over no major power will go to war with one another it’s all about small scale highly equipped units that can pack a big punch. We in the era of counter terror operations tanks are useless in those types of operations.
@@WAzzzUUppp And history as you describe can not repeat itself? Either way, what constitutes the term "large scale" in warfare is still there even though large to day and large 40 years ago i probably not the same in numbers. There will always be a certain quality in quantity it self. I doubt for example the Royal Navy would be able to loose the same numbers of ships they did in the Falklands, and still function as a force. Many of them not more than 10-15 years by the time of that conflict.
@@WAzzzUUppp stop talking like you understand what you're talking about. Human history doesn't magically stop and there will always be a cause for war somewhere, sometime and for some reason
Well in the Indian army we have same kind of troops. They are called pathfinders but they work in conjunction with the forward observations team and serveliance team as well.
These are NOT pathfinders in the British forces, the Pathfiners are an entirely different unit, and totally airmobile! they mentioned the pathfiners in this, and said these people will work alongside them!!
@@rupakadhikary153 Theses guys are NOT pathfinders though, they are a deep reconaisance unit. The pathfinders in the British army are a different group, and are explicitly mentioned as such in this video.
@@thetruthhurts7675 just read the above comments I am not talking about the uk army I am taking about the Indian army. In Indian army we call those unit a pathfinder.
@@lachlanchester8142 No redundancies, just reduce in numbers from retirement being replaced by new soldiers to equip soldiers better and I feel soon there will be a number increase after tech and kit upgrades now.
Great to see the Royal Artillery practicing there Ground Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Counter Battery Radar capabilities. Sadly another depleted but vital capability that the British Army doesn’t have enough up to date Counter Battery Radars and vehicles for its operational demands.👍
@Damon Arndell Yes I agree with you. Cos I’d definitely like to believe they’re Not that stupid to release any details / information on a UA-cam video that’s not already public information. 👍🏼
Come on now i cringe when i see a modern army stop and get out and setup a radar/Lidar/listening device on a tripod it needs to be fixed to a lowering arm on a vehicle so you go into a BP raise the mast or boom look for 30 sec then lower it again and drive like bat out of hell so the enemy's firing assets don't hit you. and then i cringe even more when i see towed guns that's like saying to the gunners you are a target you are only the first salvo from getting killed. Just look what happened in Ukraine and more recently in Nagorno-Karabakh , if you static and have to use more then a Minute to setup and take down your dead period.
These are NOT pathfinders in the British forces, the Pathfiners are an entirely different unit, and totally airmobile! they mentioned the pathfiners in this, and said these people will work alongside them!!
Nice in theory however in practice its a different story ie you cant return fire to a location in a known residential area with civilian populations located, ie just like issues met in Iraq & Afghanistan then also mortar & rocket positions also didn't sit & stay in positions long enough for any return fire (except for some large scale AA fixed positions etc also for said equipment to be even remotely effective/efficient it really needs to be man portable, as per mentioned teamed by specialists rather then stock troops, as mission requirements don't meet the personnel skill sets ie this is more of a role for 'forward observers & potentially the ranger regiment' better still having equipment mounted on drones would be far better & limit detection & attack, it would also give a further reach... sorry to say this just looks like yet another idea not thought-out very well
Thinking more on conventional warfare and near-peer threats as we are now, it still certainly applies. Also, as the Sgt said, it still saved lives on tour in Afghan/Iraq, by detecting incoming IDF and providing advanced warning to seek cover.
@@SpratLabs sure this will help locate a portable mortar group..... until they move, which we've seen thousands of times in theatre the term "shoot & scoot" springs to mind. also the it helps ppl seek cover... ok, only what if its a high explosive 88mm or greater round coming into a companies compound.... as you still don't know where its going to land as mortar & artillery rounds aren't accurate weapon systems, not forgetting larger shells if directly hitting a structure "usually" ppl die.. its only by chance your not a under a direct strike.. also as shown & a sensible troop states such role for the detection systems the troops involved need a higher degree of training, weapons, fitness etc again opting for the more specialised groups "forward observers & special forces" the basic troop groups are easy targets & training is pretty poor to incredibly bad. also the tactics witnessed Iraq & Afghanistan you can see conventional defences & attacking/patrolling methods fail, just they did in Vietnam & other war torn nations, including the military fight on drug productions.... hence why you see high kill rates for the opposing forces against our troops. we also then look at terrain, such equipment is wasted in Afghanistan where even satellite communications struggle let alone radio, person coms.. what chance will this equipment have in such environment's "little to none" however having such equipment as a base defence in a open area could help to a degree... then again you look at the price & think.... having aerial equipment to detect such threats make more sense & is less venerable to attack.... also trying to make claims of how sensitive such equipment is I'm sorry but its simply not true, this system cant detect fist sized threats.. I can even point a finger at the american air defence threat system which utilises a minigun & thousands of explosive rounds which detects rocket attacks (rockets bigger then a RPG before you say).. teh 2ns system you see using microphones that's been out for a while & isn't fantastic, that's aimed more towards artillery & vehicle mounted systems & the audio signatures produced..
@@tmm32x yes the smaller system is portable its also incredibly limited, overall useless. again its got its limitations due to terrain etc as per the other systems it also adds alot of danger to those sent out to position the sensors. again where by aerial units are less prone to detection & can stay on station for longer whilst also maintaining a 360degree scanning field overall my point! this system is poorly thought out & those set to operate are not trained nor equipped to support the safe use, nor can they maintain these set-up for extended periods of time safely,, in comparison to other assets/units. not forgetting most are suited for detecting large munitions as opposed to what's claimed as that's total rubbish.
@@danjones4432 why not ? . I know there's a forward observation battery thats not para or cdo trained but that's it. If these are going forward like they said its going to very difficult as you expect any near peer rival to be able to DF in minutes . They'll be autonomous drones in the stratosphere waiting for electronic emissions to target. This is the near future !.
Well this is all about a certain thing called "Attack us this is what you face," propaganda in other words. You see what the forces want you to see, and the real stuff is rolled out in emergencies. Simple stuff really!!
Since when is "getting better" and "more motivated" poor? Do you know what the word "poor" actually means? Or are you just seeking for a reason to whine about "wokeness"?
And now the entire world knows our tactics 😂😂😂. HAY RUSSIAN DON'T WORRY ABOUT FIGURING IT OUT WE WILL JUST MAKE YOU A SHIRT DOCUMENTARY 😂😂😂😂😂. good gob guys/gals
The Russians are already fully aware of our equipment its roles, capabilities and the tactics.. As we are of theirs. Nothing shown in this video is either secret or anything that isnt "public knowledge" if tou know where to look.
The film production team slipped up. They weren’t meant to show the top secret teleport capability at 7:51
😂
Aren't this supposed to be SECRET or we telling them how to COUNTER us 🤔
@@kingmaafu1552 they only show you what they want you to see
😂🤣 sneaky beakies 😂🤣
Nah it didn’t teleport it was just travelling over light speed so you couldn’t see it but then It slowed down you know.
got to say we used LCMR in Afghanistan in 2008, and they forward deployed with us rapidly in the recce Viking units for 16 AAB and 45 Cdo, we also had a FIST team co-located with us also and LEWT to add to our lethality.
Given the recent cut's in the manpower of the British Army- how can an ISTAR unit operate with effect when there are fewer and fewer troops in their rear backing them up? In the 1984 exercise Lionheart in Germany, practicing to re-inforce the British Army ferried 750 main battle tanks across the Rhine on mobile bridges. In comparison the British Army plans for 128 tanks now.
Because the days of large scale warfare is over mate. Tanks are some of the most vulnerable pieces of equipment on the battlefield in the modern era. Large formations of troops it’s not 1940 anymore mate. Conventional warfare is pretty much over no major power will go to war with one another it’s all about small scale highly equipped units that can pack a big punch. We in the era of counter terror operations tanks are useless in those types of operations.
@@WAzzzUUppp And history as you describe can not repeat itself? Either way, what constitutes the term "large scale" in warfare is still there even though large to day and large 40 years ago i probably not the same in numbers. There will always be a certain quality in quantity it self. I doubt for example the Royal Navy would be able to loose the same numbers of ships they did in the Falklands, and still function as a force. Many of them not more than 10-15 years by the time of that conflict.
@@WAzzzUUppp stop talking like you understand what you're talking about. Human history doesn't magically stop and there will always be a cause for war somewhere, sometime and for some reason
@@WAzzzUUpppmate it’s peer to peer Russia isn’t some flip flop suicidal pact it’s an actual modern military with actual capabilities…
Well in the Indian army we have same kind of troops. They are called pathfinders but they work in conjunction with the forward observations team and serveliance team as well.
There are pathfinders in uk as well
These are NOT pathfinders in the British forces, the Pathfiners are an entirely different unit, and totally airmobile!
they mentioned the pathfiners in this, and said these people will work alongside them!!
@@thetruthhurts7675 there are path finders in uk armed forces as well . I am taking about Indian army.
@@rupakadhikary153 Theses guys are NOT pathfinders though, they are a deep reconaisance unit. The pathfinders in the British army are a different group, and are explicitly mentioned as such in this video.
@@thetruthhurts7675 just read the above comments I am not talking about the uk army I am taking about the Indian army. In Indian army we call those unit a pathfinder.
Loving that spider arm badge you guys are rocking 🕸️🕷️
Amazing, please keep going to these units unknown to the public 👍
Better hope they don’t get made redundant from the defence review
@@lachlanchester8142 No redundancies, just reduce in numbers from retirement being replaced by new soldiers to equip soldiers better and I feel soon there will be a number increase after tech and kit upgrades now.
Maybe they are better left relatively unknown?
@@pilot_howie237 replacing retirements with new soldiers? How’s that going to reduce numbers
@@lachlanchester8142 “reduce in numbers” I said. They’ll lower numbers by taking in less numbers than are leaving or retiring.
Wow! Beats the old L70 Bofors we had in 103 regt
That's a lot of expensive equipment, just to keep an eye on lockdown rule breakers and report them to the rozzers for a quick raid.
lol
Good point, I find a lot of the general public launching artillery barrages during lockdown
@@oscarmike9613 😂😂😂
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Find the enemy and survive.
Forward thinking. Great news
Plot twist
They are the enemy giving away vital information
Great to see the Royal Artillery practicing there Ground Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Counter Battery Radar capabilities. Sadly another depleted but vital capability that the British Army doesn’t have enough up to date Counter Battery Radars and vehicles for its operational demands.👍
Isnt tracked artillery better than towed? Isnt towed artillery way too vulnerable and slow?
Looks a bit bulky still and needs to be more portable but a good start
Thanks Daniel, what on earth would the military do without experts like you
@@barnabyhughes2084 not be getting rid of all those soldiers sailors and airmen that they are supposedly planning on doing!hahaha
@@danielgreen3715 Yet the Navy is increasing in personnel 🤔
@@Joe-fe4xi Good!
@@Joe-fe4xi Yes an that makes ya wonder why 🤔. Don’t ya think?
Bit rough on us poor mortarmen! Glad our punch up ended some years ago!
Wow at still using the MSTAR! Hope you ladies and gents are given A1 quality kit for the future.
5:35 How did this dude get through basic
What do you mean?
@@DannyPBradley he’s a bit on the chubby side don’t you think?
@@thewoo7269 That's what I'm saying, he could have been in shape when he was in basic but then put on a couple of stone after that
Its easy to judge somebody when you havent been on a phys session with them.. 🤔
@@ianbloomfield7179 yeah true.... but this dude doesn't really look like he is in peak physical condition...
Why do we advertise our kit to the enemy I'll never know 🤔 have you taken all that down Comrade Vladimir now get to work on the counter measures.
@Damon Arndell Yes I agree with you. Cos I’d definitely like to believe they’re Not that stupid to release any details / information on a UA-cam video that’s not already public information. 👍🏼
@wonkeyleggs Lol 😂 😂. I get your point Cos it can look a bit like that but I’d imagine it’s only ready public information 🤔.
Come on now i cringe when i see a modern army stop and get out and setup a radar/Lidar/listening device on a tripod it needs to be fixed to a lowering arm on a vehicle so you go into a BP raise the mast or boom look for 30 sec then lower it again and drive like bat out of hell so the enemy's firing assets don't hit you.
and then i cringe even more when i see towed guns that's like saying to the gunners you are a target you are only the first salvo from getting killed.
Just look what happened in Ukraine and more recently in Nagorno-Karabakh , if you static and have to use more then a Minute to setup and take down your dead period.
ধন্যবাদ...
thanks
I'd say less noisy power sources for the HALO must be a priority...!
It was green archer in my day
Fire an air launched missile from 100 miles out, goodnight. If you can see them, they can see you.
Oh good. The enemy knows what to look out for.
Meanwhile the real technology will be working while the "Enemy expend useless rounds knocking out the old Tech!!
5 Regiment. Not 5th. In the same way that it's TWO SIX, not 26th.
SpEcIaL FoRcEs talks about his blokes fitness could be better , forgets he's on video thinks he's on radio
Many 96Rs died to bring us this information.
In the Indian army three guys are called pathfinders.
These are NOT pathfinders in the British forces, the Pathfiners are an entirely different unit, and totally airmobile!
they mentioned the pathfiners in this, and said these people will work alongside them!!
Nice in theory however in practice its a different story
ie you cant return fire to a location in a known residential area with civilian populations located, ie just like issues met in Iraq & Afghanistan then also mortar & rocket positions also didn't sit & stay in positions long enough for any return fire (except for some large scale AA fixed positions etc
also for said equipment to be even remotely effective/efficient it really needs to be man portable, as per mentioned teamed by specialists rather then stock troops, as mission requirements don't meet the personnel skill sets ie this is more of a role for 'forward observers & potentially the ranger regiment' better still having equipment mounted on drones would be far better & limit detection & attack, it would also give a further reach...
sorry to say this just looks like yet another idea not thought-out very well
Thinking more on conventional warfare and near-peer threats as we are now, it still certainly applies.
Also, as the Sgt said, it still saved lives on tour in Afghan/Iraq, by detecting incoming IDF and providing advanced warning to seek cover.
@@SpratLabs sure this will help locate a portable mortar group..... until they move, which we've seen thousands of times in theatre the term "shoot & scoot" springs to mind.
also the it helps ppl seek cover... ok, only what if its a high explosive 88mm or greater round coming into a companies compound.... as you still don't know where its going to land as mortar & artillery rounds aren't accurate weapon systems, not forgetting larger shells if directly hitting a structure "usually" ppl die.. its only by chance your not a under a direct strike..
also as shown & a sensible troop states such role for the detection systems the troops involved need a higher degree of training, weapons, fitness etc again opting for the more specialised groups "forward observers & special forces" the basic troop groups are easy targets & training is pretty poor to incredibly bad.
also the tactics witnessed Iraq & Afghanistan you can see conventional defences & attacking/patrolling methods fail, just they did in Vietnam & other war torn nations, including the military fight on drug productions.... hence why you see high kill rates for the opposing forces against our troops. we also then look at terrain, such equipment is wasted in Afghanistan where even satellite communications struggle let alone radio, person coms.. what chance will this equipment have in such environment's "little to none"
however having such equipment as a base defence in a open area could help to a degree... then again you look at the price & think.... having aerial equipment to detect such threats make more sense & is less venerable to attack.... also trying to make claims of how sensitive such equipment is I'm sorry but its simply not true, this system cant detect fist sized threats..
I can even point a finger at the american air defence threat system which utilises a minigun & thousands of explosive rounds which detects rocket attacks (rockets bigger then a RPG before you say)..
teh 2ns system you see using microphones that's been out for a while & isn't fantastic, that's aimed more towards artillery & vehicle mounted systems & the audio signatures produced..
MSTAR is man-portable, I’ve yomped with it, total pain in the arse to fit to your bergan 🤬
@@tmm32x yes the smaller system is portable its also incredibly limited, overall useless. again its got its limitations due to terrain etc
as per the other systems it also adds alot of danger to those sent out to position the sensors. again where by aerial units are less prone to detection & can stay on station for longer whilst also maintaining a 360degree scanning field
overall my point! this system is poorly thought out & those set to operate are not trained nor equipped to support the safe use, nor can they maintain these set-up for extended periods of time safely,, in comparison to other assets/units. not forgetting most are suited for detecting large munitions as opposed to what's claimed as that's total rubbish.
So these guys are going to have to attend P-company or AACC . 🤔
No
@@danjones4432 why not ? . I know there's a forward observation battery thats not para or cdo trained but that's it. If these are going forward like they said its going to very difficult as you expect any near peer rival to be able to DF in minutes . They'll be autonomous drones in the stratosphere waiting for electronic emissions to target. This is the near future !.
@@carlb4741 why would they need to be para/commando trained their role doesn't call for them to be
@@danjones4432 didn't the narrator say they'd working with 16 AA or am I wrong 🤔
@@carlb4741 you don't need to do p company to work withing 16aa brigade hence why a battalion of gurkas are attached
By not telling us on UA-cam
Find and videotape
Revealing on youtube how the eyes and ears of the military works. Nice job.
Well this is all about a certain thing called "Attack us this is what you face," propaganda in other words. You see what the forces want you to see, and the real stuff is rolled out in emergencies. Simple stuff really!!
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SA80 is the best fighting rifle!
bull.
better fitness, he's been skoffing too much at the naafi
Can't seem to stop a dinghy from France, hey!!
Funnily enough the land people do struggle to stop things on the water...
Should get the Gurkha's doing that job!
@@Leo-pz5ge Ah yes, the mountainous terrain and jungle warfare specialists from a landlocked country hunting dinghies in the channel... 🙄
We need to get better’ n more motivated...woke military knows how poor we’ve become
Since when is "getting better" and "more motivated" poor? Do you know what the word "poor" actually means? Or are you just seeking for a reason to whine about "wokeness"?
And now the entire world knows our tactics 😂😂😂. HAY RUSSIAN DON'T WORRY ABOUT FIGURING IT OUT WE WILL JUST MAKE YOU A SHIRT DOCUMENTARY 😂😂😂😂😂. good gob guys/gals
@Paddy k Lol 😂😂, it do seem like that.
The Russians are already fully aware of our equipment its roles, capabilities and the tactics.. As we are of theirs.
Nothing shown in this video is either secret or anything that isnt "public knowledge" if tou know where to look.
Are army is so small the Irish probably have a chance of beating us now
Except we have jets, drones, tanks and nukes. All of which the irish defense force doesent have.
The Irish don't have the SAS and SBS though ;)
I'd want the Micks on my side anyway. 😉
@@fastfreddy19641 quite right . Kith and kin all. North / South , RoI or Norn Ireland . Great people
@@garrywynne1218 yes all northern Europeans. From the old original people and the northern tribes with a sprinkle of other peoples to add interest.
God it’s must be hard to try make these REMFs sound sexy. I mean they failed here but I do feel for the production team.
Why tell the whole world what our kit and equipment dose so dumb
And where the SAS are based. 🤦♂️
wearing their face masks, what a joke