These BURNT locos are getting a SECOND CHANCE - Former Swanton Pacific
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- The Swanton Pacific railroad used to excite many in California - until it burned in 2020. It seems like everyone in preservation heard the horrible story of what happened; but now, there's a new organization that has been made by former Swanton volunteers to get the 19" gauge that's over 100 years old running again.
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0:00 Intro
0:50 History - Overfair
3:50 Nerdy Train Details
6:52 What's Next
8:13 How can you help?
10:38 Outro
![[SFS] This is a boxcar that ruined our week.](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/F-Jb1L8ShrY/mqdefault.jpg)
![[SFS] This is a boxcar that ruined our week.](/img/tr.png)
![[SFS] The time I told someone to BREAK a train, instead of FIX it... | Stories from the Shop](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XUa0GHqHgyU/mqdefault.jpg)
The Swanton Pacific Railroad locomotives are returning. They're not damaged beyond repair. Good luck Overfair Pacific Railroad on repairing the locomotives.
i wonder how much the fire effected their heat treatment of the metal though.
Im happy to see that they'll stay together, I was worried they (the locomotives) would be scattered across the US
I used to live in the area. Really proud of you for highlighting such a sad story and bringing victims of wildfires a bit of hope that though the fire destroyed a lot, things can still recover, and be healed.
Its miraculous that the machine shop wasnt affected because that equipment will be vital to getting those old girls back on the rails. Best wishes for their group getting these locomotives back to life.
Thank you for covering this. I was so saddened when I learned of the fire destruction back in 2020, and the uncertainty of the future for the railroad. There’s been a lot of great things happening in railroad preservation here in California lately, and I am so thankful that these historic locomotives have a new home and will be kept together!
You know you’ve got support, when the outro is 2:30 of channel members.
Poor choo choo, I hope she gets the money to be repaired soon
I’ve been volunteering at Swanton since I was 7. It is safe to say I’m madly in love with the 502. It was sad to see Swanton go but Santa Margarita is a great place to be the new home of the Overfair.
I hope she is able to join you on a Montazuma Monday... the effort that went into that engine is just so impressive, and when they finally get it rebuilt, it would be worth going out west and seeing it.
I’m glad the Swanton Pacific Railroad is making a comeback! I was so disappointed when CalPoly announced they were getting rid of the railroad. I almost sent them an email to them telling them not to do it! I eventually forgot to send the message, but now it looks like I don’t need to send it! I can’t wait to eventually visit and ride this railroad! Good luck, Overfair Pacific!
There were lots of emails sent!
Of all the possible outcomes, this was one of the best ones.
That was a very nice story Mark. I had no idea about these beautiful locomotives. I really liked the full scale details that you and Brett pointed out. Loved those rivets and OMG the wonderful leaf spring suspension. So nice to see the extra special touches down to the marker lamps as well as the melding of older and newer technologies for their time. You said it best Mark, scaled down in some ways, but not all. That’s what makes these so visually appealing to me. Though the fire damage was absolutely awful, it is nice to hear they are to be preserved. Congrats to Molly and her crew on the new location and the commitment to restoration. Like the mythical Phoenix something new and fabulous being reborn out of the ashes. Many thanks to Molly for sharing the story of this very special railroad. And as always so many thanks to you Professor for making yet another fabulous learning moment video. Cheers to you and Molly.
I guess you could say that those Little locomotives went "through the fire and flames".
I'm glad they are going to rebuild those locomotives, no machine deserves to be left in such a sorry state.
I don’t have any limes, so have some lemons instead
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Hi Mark. We also have a mini steam locomotive "Pacific" for 600mm track. The steam locomotive was produced in 1935 in Belgium for the colonial exhibition in Brussels. It ended up in Poland in 1945. I will tell you the whole story when you visit us.
Cristof
That'll be cool! Excited my friend!
@@Hyce777 You could do a series on miniature or Liliput railroads in Europe. Not only do we have the 600mm gauge miniatures in Belgium, but there are several 15" gauge lines in the UK, the Ravenglass railway and the Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway which is the longest miniature line in the world at 13.5 miles long.
Then in some cities in Eastern Europe there are Pionier Eisenbahnen (Pioneer Railways) which are scaled down railroads where youth under the then communist regimes who had interest and ambition in becoming railroad staff later in life could learn the skills needed at a young age, I know there are many surviving examples in east Germany (16 in total, Berlin and Dresden being the longest, Budapest and Eger in Hungary, Chorzow and Poznan in Poland and even closer to the US in Havanna in Cuba there is one. There are more but you can look up the Wikipeadia page on Pioniereisenbahnen. All of these are open to the public to have rides. In Europe there will be English speaking members at most of these railways.
But but but.... There are others of us who would love to know this story! 😢
The Swanton Pacific well rise from the ashes again I'm sure .. Great video sir
Sure hope they're able to have a smoothe restoration! Thanks for shining light on this Hyce!
It is bizarre how similar the 1500 is to the GWR Hawksworth 1500’s
If it wasn’t for the fact the Hawksworth’s were built 30+ years after, I’d have assumed the look/design had came from them!
It’s like a little Americanized version of one
Glad there is a light at the end of the tunnel
Such a heartwarming for what’s going to happen with these 19 Inch Gauge Steam Locomotives. These are all amazing steam locomotives despite the fire accident that happened 4 years ago. There were roundhouse fire accidents that happened before, even similar accidents too. But most of those steam locomotives that were involved into them were repaired afterwards. I hope to start seeing these 19 Inch Gauge Trains operating at Santa Margarita Ranch there along with the Pacific Coast Railroad.
Truly amazing locomotives! Terrible that they were in such a bad incident but great that they have a future!
Also, what in the D&S doodlebug? That just looks cursed.
The doodlebug is quite cursed... Lol
Always hope! They really are a labor of love, I just wish I could be a part of it somewhere.
Love this! If I wasn't in New Hampshire I would totally check this out!! Best of Luck!!!!
amazing video about an awesome little railroad, really looking forward to it's future!!!
I was so excited to see this video go live. All of the work put it not putting everything together turned out phenomenal! I can't wait to see what happens here at the ranch with the op stuff. And as always it was great to see you mark at the event. I had a blast hanging out with y'all when we got the chance!
Thank you so much for covering and talking about this. I love this railroad. Back when it was Swanton Pacific I used to volunteer there. I wanted to learn to drive them but never got around to it. They were some of the first trains I road. I love those engines so much. I am so glad to see my favorite rail you tube channel cover them.
I am genuinely very surprised that these locomotives are being given another chance to run again! When I first saw the news story about the fire and destruction, my first thoughts were that the engines were going to be sent away for scrap, but I was completely wrong. Thanks for sharing this, as it does show that not everything can’t be repaired when severely damaged, even from fire!
Not going to lie, that was one of my biggest fears since we did not own the equipment. All I could do for a while was be a REALLY squeaky wheel.
Those locomotives are going to rise from their own ashes. Literally. Thank you for sharing!! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Fabulous news. I love these locos, all the best from Australia
Burnt? I believe you mean well done... actually, if it's getting a second chance, then its medium rare.
All jokes aside, glad to see that things are going good! Best of luck with everything!
All jokes aside? This needs to be seen by more people, I honestly can’t stop laughing
In Australia we understand MAJOR eucalyptus bushfires (wildfires to Americans) like you get in California all too well.
The historic Zig Zag railway outside of Sydney was severely damaged by major bushfire in the early 20-teens. Lots of track and rolling stock was lost but the locos survived. They were just a bout ready reopen when Black Summer hit them again 2019
They returned to the rails again last year.
Keep your collective chins up guys. You'll be back with heart you are showing.
You should visit the Boon scenic Valley railroad they have a Chinese steam train and a few museums (from the forgotten state of nabraska)
I can only hope that they get the money to restore 1500. 0-6-0Ts are my 3rd favorite wheel configuration!
I hope that you'll visit the Roaring Camp railroad, that'd be a cool video to see.
I really want to one of these days!
I really hope this locomotive will ever run in operation and hauling excursions. My fingers crossed for hope, if not I'm not a happy person.
You make great content, I love it 🙏
Thanks Hyce
It's so tiny! Good on them for saving it!
Hyce the White Pass & Yukon Route Railroad in Alaska has a small loading gauge like a rail fanner who went there said the Loading Gauge is about 3 feet! Their engines are rolling stock are cool! Just thought I let you know of a cool little railway in Alaska
I'd like to see the locomotive(s) restored, whether cosmetically or operational.
I think I can speak for the other oprs members. The idea of stuffing and mounting (cosmetically restoring) these treasures and not having these running and enjoyed by the masses is a last resort
@@emj1989 yeah I think you're right
My god someone actually bought them. Hope they all have good lives. I learned about them shortly after the fire, and they're really interesting little locomtives.
iirc some White Pass and Yukon 2-8-0 got lifted away from the Skagway River after sitting as a piece of an embankment for decades, one of the 6X ones. Ironically the exact opposite situation, both being saved.
It's impressive, which makes it adorable. So, yes it is cute!.
Good Job. 👍🏼
Hyce!!! You should visit the Old Niles Canyon Railway in Fremont, CA. Definitely some interesting things to see.
You should take a look at the whiskey River railroad at Little Amerricka in Marshall Wisconsin
Better than average interview on this subject. Maybe you should have a knowledgeable female on more of your videos. Thanks for updating on this equipment!
Unfortunately they tend to be rare in this industry, though they do exist! Molly is a dear friend and wonderful person. I was happy she was interested in sharing and being on camera.
What a cute Locomotive.
So sad to see the rampage after the fire, I hope they can be soon running again. The pairing with the Pacific Coast Railroad opens lots op opportunities.
It reminds me of the roundhouse fire which happened in 2005 in Nürnberg in Germany destroying many full scale locomotives of the national collection.
Some of these have returned to operation like the replica of the first locomotive in Germany, Der Adler (the Eagle) which ran between Nürnberg and Fürth in 1935 and 01 150, a pacific type. Other locomotives are under restoration, amongst them an electric of 1928 which is a huge effort as all the internals must be made new from scratch or repaired, like wires, electric motors, rectifiers and the transformer, but it will return operational.
Some steam locomotives will return as static exhibits, which they were before the fire, and others operational.
Sadly the stored diesels are lost as damage is beyond repair. a few can be restored as static exhibits but without internals as the wiring and aluminum engine parts which melted in the fire.
Cool!
I want to see a little section of dual or triple gauge track, even though I know it's an operational and maintenance issue.
I think it is that it is a full size narrow guage locomotive, not a miniature, but minimum guage, at least I think that is the original builder's intent.
He chose 19" gauge because it's perfectly 1/3rd scale (well, closest without obnoxiousness)...
@@Hyce777
Okay, it is just that since it was built with a lot if full sized parts like the rivets that has me thinking that they are "real locomotives" and not miniatures, made just for amusements.
Man, what I want to know is just how that Durango & Silverton railbus ended up in California?
weird things end up in weird places somehow...
I didn't even realise that it was a tank engine until you showed photographs...
Unless something has gone horribly wrong, it's cheaper to restore an existing locomotive than building one from scratch. Still a lot of work though.
Well looking at that engine.. Suprising amount of parts are intact they just seem a bit rusted.
Very rusted. Springs collapsed. We’ll know more once we start taking things apart but the more I look at 1500 the better it gets.
WE ARE SO BACK
It’s sad but it was the states fault. I hope the best for this organization! California was the best of the best until they were held hostage and destroyed by LA and SF!
Es Train
We salut the people who repari these engines 🫡
*Molly is absolutely Lovely...*
Yes there is molly in the uk we have the rhdr where thay have almost 14+ 1/3 scale locomotives and 40+ route miles and I believe it was the first to be done but may be mistaken but you are by no means the only 1/3rd society out there in the world
RHDR is not 19” gauge.
@mollyengelmanmedia re read my comment
I didn't say rhdr were the first 19 inch
I sed it also 1/3rd scale and I believe that it to be the first to make 1/3rd scale locomotive
And also if I am not mistaken the the reason the us is 19 is cos the us has a larger loading gauge
So aours is technically speaking the same thing just our gauge is small but non the less the rhdr I believe was the first to have 1/3rd scale locomotive biult for a private collector back in the very early 1900
Was not trying to take away from what you all are doing just pointing out that your not the only one and that u may have not been the first sorry if this offended you
@@brickleyyard4966 what year was rh&d constructed
@emj1989 the official year was 1927 in the early 1900's but there was a pirod before the formation of the rhdr where some the sir nigel gresley based designed locos where privately owned and it is not fully know when that first started but not much before the formation of the rhdr as I understand it
It is also officially the world's longest 15in gauge with 14 miles of double track main line with a line speed of 25 mph and a scale of 75 mph makeing it the fastest as well both in actual speed and scale thats about what I know of hand but we'll worth popping over to Kent UK have take a look its a fantastic place for anyone in to trains
A few questions:
1) What is that engine in the background @10:23? It looks like a smaller-scale live steamer.
2) What is the story behind the Hillcrest railroad? You didn't really make it clear where this is. I was able to Google it, but a bit more geographic information would have been appreciated up front.
3) Where on the Santa Margarita property is the OP going to run? The existing line is less than a mile from downtown Santa Margarita (very useful if an Amtrak stop is ever re-opened), so it would be nice to also be within walking distance.
Answer to question #1 that is wild cat railroad 2spot, an 18in gauge Prarie locomotive that shares a lot of history with the overfair equipment.
Hilcrest is located in reedley California
Overfair pacific will be operating between the 3ft narrow gauge and elcomino real
In the background is the Billy Jones Wildcat 2-Spot.
There are other videos about the event at Hillcrest.
The current plan is for OPRS to be across the creek from PCRR, in view of the town of Santa Margarita.
Are those boilers going to have to be completely rebuilt, or can they be safe even after going through that inferno?
Completely certified, certainly, but probably not much actually needs done to the shells themselves. They're built extremely heavily and it's doubtful the heat caused much damage to the boiler steel itself. There's certainly a lot to assess and could be damage, but hopefully not much. That said they are older engines anyways, and I'm pretty sure the engine that was off-site was getting a new boiler anyway; so that might be the course. Good question.
Could be worse? At least there repairable?
Frame atleast seems intact.
These locomotives were SO overbuilt (compared to many other miniatures) so we still have something to rebuild. They are beefy
Hey Hyce wanted to ask if you will be going to the whiskey river railway in marshal wi heard rumors about it
No plans yet but I was invited! Hopefully next year.
new restoration before gta 6
The damage that roundhouse fires inflict on locomotives and rollingstock is a hard thing to grasp, one day you're putting it to bed, and then the world burns for a week or a month and then it needs a full rebuild, reminded me of this video from when it wasn't burnt down ua-cam.com/video/YxyKBy7CfLU/v-deo.htmlsi=rJqpwBTUt7FQM9IE
So Hyce would that mean those locos are On18 scale?
No...
No. They are 1/3 scale, 19” gauge.
‘4” scale’ in modeling terms.
Built to ASME standards? I know my boiler on my 20 could have been built ASME by Marty Knox but it would require huge washout plugs, etc. which would not look good on a 1/5 scale locomotive.
These choo-choos predate the ASME, if I had to guess.
@@Hyce777 I assume so but that just goes to show forward thinking! 🙂
@@Hyce777 : Nope -- the ASME was founded in 1880. These do -- just barely -- predate the publication of the first ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code in 1915, but there were ASME boiler guidelines and standards before that. Some of them became incorporated into Massachusetts state law in 1907, after major factory boiler explosions there in 1905 in 1906; that was the event that really provided the impetus for the committee that produced the BPVC.
@@BrooksMoses well how about that! That's cool. History I clearly didn't know. Thank you for educating!
@@Hyce777 : Gladly! I used to be a mechanical engineer back in college, so I knew more of the history because I was actually a member of ASME for a while.
Hi Hyse is this a real steam locomotive 🚂 or a model of the steam locomotive?
Yes! Haha. 1/3rd scale, but operating steam locomotive!
@@Hyce777 Like 👍 7 1/2. Guage. Live steam miniature railroading
@@Hyce777 like California live steamers
@@Hyce777 I’d love to someday buy a live steam locomotive 🚂 in this scale but I’m not sure how long it’ll take me to save up for
Should I start with a diesel switcher sw 1500 or steam locomotive 🚂 big boy
Does this need to be FRA Certified?
Nope. Nothing under 24" gauge counts for the FRA.
Sad pacifics
I believe 1500 is based off of (and numbered after) a GWR 1500 0-6-0T. It looks very similar.
1500 class locomotives were built in 1949 #1500 was built in 1913 1914. I don't think mac had a time machine lol
@@emj1989 oh true. maybe the British ones were based off of this one.
@@MiddletownBranchProd.I’ve wondered that. Unlike the Pacifics, we can’t pinpoint the inspiration for 1500’s design
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ye canny kill steam engines with fire, they were intended tae tame it,
tae be Honest ironically Comifornia is the worst state of rehabiting and renaturing esp. when considered the most Penetrant when it is about "saving the Planet",
saw a video of the Yosemite valley Lumber Railroad back then and now (100 years time span), and other areas in the SoCA region.
after the clear-cutting they dae none till this day tae get any Forest back up,
CA turns intae a full desert with only brush that burn very well esp. when dry,
Instead of marketing bullshyte and smelly warmair, they should Plant trees and terraform the hill sides so water is not running off instead sinking in the ground,
which rises the waterlevel in the ground and makes the ground fertile again for actual plants tae grow, instead of brush and weeds.
If you'd actually visited these hillsides, you'd know that's nonsense. You can't "terraform the hillsides" to keep water from running off without taking down the whole mountain -- they're just that steep. And even if you did, that still wouldn't help when it doesn't rain at all for at least eight months of the year. Besides which, the Santa Cruz mountains were well-forested when they burned, with 100-foot-tall trees; this part of the state is pretty well re-forested.
@@BrooksMoses the nabatians in Jordania did it tae 90` cliff edge some 1000 years ago with chisels and taking plow tae a field is already terraforming, if ye'd theoretical put a plow row tae the side an make this tiny ridges water can be saved in those and get keept there,
If yer got no knowledge donnea mean it's nonsense,
And just because one countie daes donnea mean all are, there are plenty of hillsides in CA they are far larger than Santa Cruz and not living from tourism and wine they got not even looked at.
Such a heart warming story! I really hope they’re able to restore those steam engines soon. 👍🙏🫡
I bet the fire warmed the hearts of those locomotives too.
Sorry, I had to.