@@jimmydesouza4375 it is his train foamer (someone who is excited about all things trains) -ness is the action of it. Ie craziness is the act of being crazy.
1:56 That is a Golsdorf chassis, where the front, back and middle wheels can move sideways 2:04 That is the speedometer drive 6:30 KkStb build... so pre WW1 Austrian 7:45 The most famous LGB model train 8:19 Bosnian gauge (the KkStb standard size) 9:09 Water in the bottom frame, coal in the side bunkers 11:07 Suedbahn class 29 (the other pre-WW1 Austrian railway operator) Multiple are preserved, one is in running condition 19:40 G12 (which is kind of an Einheitslok before they existed) Third cylinder is run from a separate set between the frames (like on a Br44) instead of relying on an outside lever. There is a G12 in operating condition, the 58 311
What a great tour of the Slovenian museum Hyce! As for why most of the locomotives there are completely bonkers, well, that's because none of them are Yugoslavian at all. They are all Austro-Hungarian (with the exception of the primer locomotive, which is Prussian). This meant that all of them were build with heavy, windy, standard guage mountain lines in mind. Also a fun fact about the ancient choo-choo: She is not alone! Build as part of the Südbahn class Alt (old) 23, nowadays five (FIVE) of this class of 1860's era freight haulers are preserved: 718 is the one in Slovenia, 674 in Hungary, 680 in Berlin, and 53.7114 at the Strasshof railway museum. And then there is No. 671, which is kept in full-time operational condition at the GKB, which, having been build in 1860 and never retired from work besides for maintenance, is the longest-serving locomotive in the world!
Holy crap. That's an amazing story of preservation. The locos being Austro-Hungarian makes a lot of sense given the context of the region during those times.
@@davidty2006 THE OPENCAB WAS CHEAPER TO BUILD AND ANOTHER WAY OF THE UPPER CLASSES TO LORD OVER THE WORKER! THIS MIMICS THE EARLY HIGH END LUXURY AUTOMOBILES, WHERE THE CHAUFFEUR WAS RIDING COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED , WITH ONLY AN WINDSHIELD FOR PROTECTION, WHILE HIS MASTERS HAD AN NICE LUXURIOUS CABIN!
@@davidty2006 It was the Euro + UK social class system. Engineers/drivers were just chauffeurs for the rich, and didn't deserve weather protection. Like a Hansom cab.
The fact that the SVRy, that little windy barely-staying-alive railroad from an obscure corner of Oregon that I call home, has made a cameo in model form at a railroad museum in Slovenia of all places, makes me very happy. That little railroad is so underrepresented here in America, to see it getting at least some recognition internationally... just amazing.
21:19 the third pipe is for steam heating. Most european trains used steam to heat passenger cars. Even some of the early era diesellocos like German V100, BR 216, V200 were equipped with steam generators, to provide steam for the car heatings.
Those sideways D slides were almost universal in every country but the U.S. The Brits loved to point out the "old-fashioned" rockers of American locos, which, yes, made lubrication easier, but also added more moving parts to the valve train. With the slides on the inside the eccentrics could drive the valves directly without the use of rocking shafts.
9:06 yes, the whole frame is a water tank. One of side storage thingey is probably also a water tank and the other one is a coal bunker. This allows you to have more water but in addition shifts the centre of mass downwards
Since you brought up the sumpter valley mallets here is a fun fact When the sumpter valley got the mallets from uintah and decided to give them tenders they used the biggest ones they had which just happened to be the ones that originally came with 19 and 20. So 19 and 20 lost their original tenders to the mallets. The 19 and 20 then went to the white pass while the mallets and the tenders went to Guatemala. When our organization got started in the 70s we were able to get 19 and 20 back from Alaska, and while we weren’t able to get the mallets back we were able to get the tenders back. So the original locomotives of the mallet tenders have received their tenders back at the rebirth of their original railroad
The fun bit about the boiler explosion you mentioned, that locomotive got rebuilt and used as a switch engine until around the 1850s ish. That railroad also had the first double ended locomotives built in the mid 1830s
More recent research shows that the "Phoenix" had been converted to stationary use c. 1837. As a stationary engine it may have lasted up until the Civil War.
I greatly enjoyed watching a very lost american railroader puzzle at the utter strange on display. also 1860?! Holy Christmas in July that engine is like 180! and looking fantastic for her age
this is genuinely me, my dad, mom, and brother. me and dad will be looking at loco's seriously. then mom and my brother are the comic relief. love to see it. 😂
That Krauss at 9:11 might be a well tank, which would explain the need for a fill that low. As far as I know, they used those well tanks to keep as much weight down low as possible so the tall-ish locomotive wouldnt derail on crappy narrow gauge track. As for the supposed side tanks, Ive seen smaller locomotive that use that space for tool storage or as bunkers for coal (Which would likely be on the firemans side, whatever side that would be in this case).
Thank you for the fun! I don't work on trains and guess where I learned what little I know (teehee) but those sure look _very_ different. Valve gear is wacky. I've got my head about halfway around Walschaerts and this stuff looks like black and red magic. But there's an incomprehensible three cylinder engine in all its red glory! TFS and looking forward to more Europe content! :) PS. shoutout to your sister, who has a wonderfully snarky sense of humor and I'm here for it.
OMG, Mark that tour was absolutely enthralling and entertaining! So much to see and what a fantastic museum collection. GD! I enjoyed seeing the 1860s choo choo but the big red choo choo was WOW. Like you said, could examine that for hours. Amazing and gigantic historic roundhouse too. Mark, I really enjoyed your reactions made me giggle, but seriously I learn so much from your analysis of these objects. So excellent. Many thanks as always Professor for sharing your beautiful experience with us. Many thanks to your mom and sister for the great videography and as always cheers to you all! Looking forward to part 2!!!
Truly entertaining to watch someone so knowledgeable be so befuddled about something I am used to seeing him so informative about. All I can say is: German Engineering. Love your videos, I have learned so much watching you and next time I am in your neck of the woods, my family and I would be honored to meet up at the Colorado Railroad Museum for a tour with you as the docent.
That 0-8-0 with the outside cylinders and inside Gooch valve gear is a KkStB (Austrian state railways in Austro-Hungary) class 73. A 1885 Karl Gölsdorf design for the mountainous Arlberg railway and a very successful freight locomotive. They passed onto successor states and some ended up serving as station pilots into the 60s. The one in Ljublanja is 73.372, later Yugoslav Railways 133-005. We have one running in the Czech Railways museum in Lužná u Rakovníka (ČSD 414.096, originally 73.368), but it rarely runs - It's very powerful for tourist trains but the inside valve gear hates modern continuous welded rail - instead of shaking around it "settles down" in a position and tends to overheat the bearings and it's hard to get to to constantly pour oil over it. It's also too slow to go anywhere under it's own power and not hold up traffic, and removing the valve gear and rods to get it somewhere fast is near impossible, we're not used to inside valve gear at all in what once was Austro-Hungary and it's crew often calls it "when Gölsdorf decided to copy a british locomotive just to spite everyone". The tank 2-6-2 is a Südbahn (South Austrian private railway) class 229 - also a Karl Gölsdorf design made with the main focus on acceleration on suburban trains. They were very popular throughout their lives and here in Czechia we call them "the be-everywhere's" as they were spread throughout the entire network, along with the later superheated and modernized class 629, that was later developed further with the Czech class 354.1. Of the later locomotives many run to this day and 354.195 might be the most popular vehicle for tourist trains in Czechia so it's very easy to get to see it throughout the summer. Oh and the thing connected to the connecting rod behind the last pair of drive wheels on nearly all european locomotives is the speedometer drive.
ua-cam.com/video/L-49E38Ctlg/v-deo.html Oh and here's a good video of 414.096 getting to stretch it's legs a good bit around the Prague suburban network
There should have been a counter with ding sfx that keeps track on how many times Hyce says "Weird". Every locomotive there has me go "I wanna run that". The Austrian 0-8-0 has the S282 cab even!
If you ever make it to Italy, go to the Leonardo da Vinci museum in Milan. It’s a science and technology museum, but it has a massive collection of Italian railway equipment (steam, diesel, electric) in addition to stationary machines for driving industry. I think it’s well akin to the Smithsonian.
Well, this is fun! Looks like a worthwhile place to visit. Maybe we need an engineering deepdive 101 on slide and piston valves and how the heck do you keep them working and lubricated? Maybe saturated steam with a little lubrication thrown in was enough? I don't know. I mean, I love trains, I can kinda wrap my head around some of the technical stuff, but I'm a complete ignoramus when it comes to understanding the really technical hows and whys. 7:43 ah, one of the Stainz 0-4-0T's! Four of these were built in 1892 for the Styrian State Railway - today two are left, this one and another in Austria on the Murtalbahn where it's kept in operating condition. And no doubt you'll know why it looks familiar... it's the basis for the classic LGB G-scale 'Stainz' 0-4-0T, which must have been produced in the thousands since its debut in 1968. Link to the German-language wiki page: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKGLB_1%E2%80%932 19:39 now this one I'm familiar with! It's a Prussian G12 class 2-10-0 heavy freight locomotive. Yes, three cylinders as you note, for ALL the power and better balance, but what makes this type fun is that after the KPEV (Royal Prussian State Railways) brought the first ones, they became a German standard during World War I across all of the major state rail companies. The one you saw, 36-013, actually started life as a Prussian G12, was renumbered as 58 1226 when everything got amalgamated into the Deutsche Reichsbahn in 1921, and then got left behind in Yugoslavia with forty-nine other engines (forty-seven Prussian and two Baden) of the same type after World War II. The red oxide paint scheme wasn't its real in-service livery, rather it's an anti-rust coating so this is presumably still in the process of some form of cosmetic restoration I have a Märklin H0 scale model of a Württemberg G12, and I love it, gorgeous model and very at home with my Länderbahn-era stock... haven't run it in a while though. Time is fake, motivation is lacking, sad noises. Anyhoo, link to the German-language wiki page again: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fische_G_12 Sorry for the longwinded comment, keep up the good work!
Glad that you enjoyed the museum. Used to spent quite some time in it back when the Ljubljana Railway Lovers Society was located there. 2:02 I think that’s the part that makes the speedometer work. 25:25 correct, that’s the workshop that stores 3 locos (SŽ 25-026, 33-037 and 06-018) which were still operational a few years ago and pulled the museum train. Unfortunately they’re all out of service now. There’s also one of the locomotives that used to pull Tito’s train there.
It's so funny to see you react to totally regular european railroad standards 😀 BTW, most "Why's" can be answered by history and development, as well as sales marketing. Things were very different in the eary years, until the now usual constructions have been established.
Quite the amusing coincidence to have you talking about the reason for the all-the-way-through piston rods (at 20:30) on the same day that This Old Tony posts a video talking about how gas struts work, which is exactly the same mechanism!
Perhaps the 3rd cylinder valve and inclined cylinder on the 3 cylinder locomotive is similar to the UP 9000 series? IIRC, the center valve was driven off the other two valves with everything being 33 degrees out of phase. Something new to learn? 🙂
@@Hyce777 If it is a form of conjugated gear I'd love to see how it works. The Gresley variation had issues because the motion was derived in front of the valves, and as the valve rods expanded due to heat the timing would change. Looks like this would have to be derived behind the valves which would eliminate the issue.
I was going to say that it might be Henschel conjugated gear, which I describe as "Gresley, but sideways". Judging by the two parallel shafts, it might be. Although, someone else commented that it could be a separately driven Walschaerts gear, though I feel like Hyce would have been able to pick that.
@@rus0004not if the valve gear for the middle cylinder isn’t easily visible without being underneath. After all, if you look at Tornado you can tell that it’s a 3 cylinder if you look at the front of the engine, but the middle cylinder, I believe, is also sideways which I believe it would have to be in order to have both the valve gear and the main connecting rod attached to the axle on the middle driving axle.
HYCES REACTIONS TO EUROPEAN LOCOMOTIVE PRACTICES IS SIMILAR TO BACK IN MY VERY EARLY DAYS OF BEING AN AUTO MECHANIC , AND SEEING THE MECHANICAL WORKING OF A EUROPEAN AUTOMOBILE!! VERY LUCKILY, I GRADUATED TO TO BE AN COMPETENT LOCOMOTIVE MECHANIC! KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!! 👍👍
That three cylinder engine is like an effect from an old movie with only vague documentation on how it was done, and physical impossibilities in the way of fully figuring it out.
I’m still learning my way around how steam locomotives work, but it was so much fun to be able to put myself in both Hyce’s head (“Ohmygodohmygodohmygodchoochoohowdoesthiswork!!??”) and his sister’s head (“I have no idea what this nerd is talking about”). Can’t wait for the next one!
Nice to see some resend pictures of the Prussian G12 in Slovenia, that is the weird three zylinder one at 19:35 we have one working example of this lokomotiv class in Germany, 58 311 from the Dampfnostalgie Karlsruhe.
You should really come to Graz sometime they are running the GKB 671. It's the same series as No. 718, it has a cab and it's operational, being kept alive by a bunch of competent enthusiasts. Built 1860 and never retired since (just temporarily pausing a few years here and there for overhaul), it was equipped with a new boiler and now it's still running quite charmingly, it needs a lot of love though, especially when it comes to lubrication and bearing temperatures.
Another great video! Iirc at 5:03 the input steam from the boiler tends to be on the outside of the D valve because of a neat physics thing: it's at a higher pressure than the exhaust steam going through the inside of the D valve, so that pressure difference pushes down on the D valve and creates a seal all on its own. But also yeah at 7:28 sideways D valves are a vibe; I think there were a whole bunch of European locos that used them tho? Either way I dunno whether or not I want to see you someday go to the UK and visit the National Railway Museum in York; on the one hand the viewers would be amused at your mental anguish but on the other hand we don't want to break you *too* hard lol
Jeez. I saw the stream you did when you came back, and watching this doesn't make my head hurt any less. So many "Why"'s, so few "Because..."'s. **Brain throbs** Ow.
Here's a transcript summary of the entire video. Hyce: What? Why? This is weird. And I'm sure some foreign train people would come here and say the same thing about our choo choos.
You should visit the ralway museum in Budapest , because it has strange locomotives too and it also has a little garden railway which goes around almost the whole museum and you can even ride it.(There may also be a very goofy streamlined tank engine on display sometimes.There is aslo and entire building dedicated to model trains.)
Cool! Having spent 2 weeks chasing steam in Germany + Austria in 1970, not much of this seems weird to me. I rode behind a small museum loco with outside Stephenson, the problem was it was easy to get it damaged. That Stephenson mounted inboard on the main crankpin would have been protected somewhat. I believe the suspension is equalized, just upside down. The bolted vertical suspension rods connect to equalizing rockers down below. In the US, there was a simple conjugating valve gear for 3 cylinder locomotives, mounted out front where it was easy to work on and understand. UK and Euro railroads didn't think much about easy maintenance, and put crazy conjugating gear in between the frames. The goofy slanted valve chests, I can't help, but they were common on early engines.
Cheers for the context! It looked like it was all pinned in on the frames to me but I could see how there could be levers hiding in there where you can't see them. Plate frames are not something I'm used to either. Chasing back in 1970 must've been rad!
I'm not completely sure but I think the valve gear at 24:00 is Henschel & Son conjugated valve gear. If it was two rocker levers one on top of the other.
Hyce: Oh, they've got a Uintah Articulated-- Me: (Reaches for pitchfork) Hyce: --after it was sold to the Sumpter Valley. Me: (Puts away pitchfork) Also, cool convertible engine! With a view that good, how long before we see you running 20 without her cab? Lol...
762mm "Bosnian Gauge" is common throughout the former Austro-Hungarian Empire. IIRC During construction of one of the first Austrian main lines, British equipment was used. 2'6" Gauge was popular in the UK for contractor's locomotives (we still have two operating 2'6" railways in the UK). When construction was finished the stock was bought by the Austro-Hungarian army and used on one of the first railways in Bosnia (a military line). When more light railways were built in the Empire, they stuck to the same gauge so that rolling stock and locomotives could be common to all the narrow gauge lines.
21:25 Wait, so Zephie from Chuggington's lift-and-spin thing is prototypically correct?! I always thought that was one of the most unrealistic things any "Chugger" in the entire show had, save for Action Chugger being able to fly, and maybe Frostini having a crazy ice cream machine taking up his entire side.
1:35 So funfact, the red engine behind Hyce Is the Prussian G12. A triple cylinder decapod! It was also the first engine I tried to add to derail valley! (It went poorly)
All those questions and dissing engineers from days of old so it makes sense in your noggin. Many who had no examples of which to go by , who later through trial and error became that which became the examples , I give them much respect for dealing with what they had or could make. This was almost painful lol. Dont over analyze , just enjoy they are still preserved and able to be seen. Some pretty cool items there , thanks for sharing.
If you are ever in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I recommend to you to go to the John Street Roundhouse in downtown Toronto. It is both a museum and a Brewery, so you can get beer after a tour of seeing all of the trains.
4:00 "Cruella de Vil drives this" looks like Bugatti Royal Coupé Napoleon. You should see the real thing when you visit the national railway museum of France! Both are in Mulhouse. The railway museum has a passenger rail car built with one of the surplus 13 liter engines from these automobiles.
18:22 As a Eurofoamer, I looked at this and was like "yep. It's a prussian P8 but the tender is WEIRD" This assumption is wrong. Turns out, these are in fact their own thing - Südbahngesellschaft (SB) 109. But the dimensions are SO similar. Cylinder bore and stroke, driving wheel diameter... all within centimeters of one another. It's essentially like a prussian P8 but made in Austria.
15:47 Floridsdorf is in the North of Vienna in austria. The Locomotive Factory there went on to be 100 Years in Service from 1869 to 1969 making many different Famous Steam Engine in europe. 16:48 The 406 is only one of still 3 surviving 17c Classes (the a, b & ds are not preserved) and it was made in 2-3 diff Factories. Wiener Neustadt is South of Vienna and also made some Famous Locomotives. There is even a Functioning 17c named 372 at Strasshof (also Austria) in a Train Museum full of Functioning Locomotives (the 372 was the first c to go into mass Production, before her were 2-3 Prototypes which were Bs with a C SetUp).
A tip: Next time just talk to the museum staff. A few years ago I visited the "Deutsche Museum" in Munich, a huge technical museum (which also has a lot of railway gear, btw.) and especially theirt aviation department, with as blind lady friend. Now I'm an aircraft mechanic by profession, and I realised that I could talk a lot to my friend, but without literally getting her fingers on the exhibits, she would not understand anything. I talked to the museum guards (who were btw. all former aircraft mechanics of the Dornier aircraft factory, which went bankrupt a few years before) and they realised that I knew my way around aircraft. They allowed us to go past the barriers and even to climb on the exhibits. They only asked us notbto touch a few aircraft, which were either on loan from private owners or, in the case of an original Lilienthal glider from the 1880s, too fragile to be touched. My friend really understood what I was telling her, and it was interesting for me as well, as I could get a close look at the technical details of historical aircraft, like a Messerschmidt Me-262 jet. If you would have told them of your work in the museum in Colorado (possibly with pictures or videos showing you driving a steam loco), they probably would have alled you to climb on the locos as well.
You are a star. Good advice. Simply asking nice goes a long way. I was booked on a train from NYC that kept falling behind schedule, and Penn Station is a good place to leave. I noticed a local about to leave, so a went to the platform, showed my ticket to Chicago, and got a ride on a half full local up the Hudson during the late afternoon. A great ride BTW.
21:25 pretty sure it’s the reservoir line (10 bar) and the brake line (5 bar), which is something European to use air for non-braking uses (doors, refilling the reservoir, cab controls, …) probably retrofitted for high end pax cars / inexhaustible brakes
0:41 thats usually the case with train museums here in europe, either its a roundhouse or an old shunting yard or something like that. our modern locomotives are all dual cab, so no turntables.
hmmm no turntables on the lines these days which lead to steam engines having to run with a diesel on the tail end for mainline though theres still remnants of turntable pits. Though not all the engines are dual cabs, though ones which arn't generally have dual controls in the same cab.
Nice :) 6:35 No, of course it is Austro-Hungarian, it does not „look German” at all. kkStB was the Austrian state railroad company in the later stages of the empire. Also, there were no unified German railroads at that time. Germany consisted of quite independent states even after unification, many of which had their own designs. German railroads only unified in the 1920s, that’s when we get the “Einheitsloks” (unified loco designs). 11:21 Actually, there are more preserved engines of this Südbahn class 23. One of them is GKB 671, and it is still running, the oldest locomotive in continuous service in the world! (With modified cab).
Looked German to me; but yeah, dirty-uncultured-doesn't-know-things-outside-of-America. The positional difference of Germany and Austria is basically two states in the western USA; so hopefully that gives me some slack. lol! I appreciate you teaching me about this though.
Poor Hyce, I have to feel sorry for you and your confusion. But I have some information to solve your pain. Firstly, European locomotives are equalised, but often the equalising beams are hidden between or under the frames, connected with long hangers to the springs. The springs themselves can be under the frame as well. D valves were common until superheating of steam became a thing after 1900, not just in Europe but the US as well. The locomotives you have seen with D valves are all pre 1910. D valves were always outside admission unless they were of the balanced type. With unbalanced D valves the whole upper surface of the valve is subject to steam pressure to keep them seated and sealed, inside admission would blow the valve off its seat. With balanced valves the upper surface does partially slide against a machined surface in the cover, often with springs acting on them as well, that made them easier moving with outside admission and seated with inside admission. Different versions exist in the US and Europe. The large 3 cylinder engine is a German class, in German, Baureihe 58. The inner cylinder works on the third axle which is cropped, the inner valve motion is also Walschaerts operated by a large eccentric on the same axle. There is an operational example in Germany, 58 311, I had once an excursion behind it and it sounds great with the three cylinder beat. You can find many videos if you search for 58 311 in the YT search bar, check especially those where it runs freight, a thing they have done quite regularly in Germany in the preservation era for the enthusiasts to enjoy lineside.
25 minutes of just watching Hyce's brain melt while tryong to figure out 'But why?' and 'What do?' is just *chef's kiss* Edit: Nevermind, that was the whole video of just slowly watching a man's brain flat-line. Again, beautiful.
Finding it hilarious as a Brit how much stuff you think is 'weird' by American standards, but are perfectly normal practice here 😂e.g. lubricating slide valves mounted vertically is easily done with a hydrostatic lubricator! Plus having the big ends use split bearings means you can slip out the bearing for remetalling without disassembling the valve gear- just remove the rear cotter and bar the crosshead forwards, will pull the con rod off the bearing!
Hi, a small fun fact about Walschaerts valve gear, in Germany and its neighbouring countries "Walschaerts" is called "Heusinger" after German Edmund Heusinger von Waldegg, who invented it in 1849. So when you talk about German locos, you can call its valve gear by its propper name.
The reason for having no equalisation links is to make the ride smoother, at the sake of losing some ability to handle super rough and tight track. This was especially proven in Britain, where the USATC S160s were known as being rough riders and in finescale 4mm/ft modelling, by many practitioners of Scalefour Society, who as a whole started with only compensation/equalisation levers, then to springy levers (which are a lot like American suspension), to individual springs (proved hard to tune/set up), to now having a continuous music wire spring, the latter most of which provides impeccably smooth tracking, keeping the locomotive steady, without any shaking, and coincidently is very similar to a type of springing invented by Gordon Varney decades ago. Non-powered stock has taken a similar path of switching from pure equalising levers to springing, with the best systems being those by Chris Pendleton, Dave Bradwell, and Bill Bedford. Isn't it amazing how far models have been able to push forward and help us realise the true nature of conclusions that would otherwise just confuse us, like what happened to Mark (I told you about this, but I think you read that only after going to the museum)? The most useful place to go for learning about suspension (especially in model form) is the CLAG website, that has a nice article on the basics, and many other examples of model trains pushing to innovate. Oh yeah, buffer and screw link couplings (especially when there is a continuous drawbar) are great because they reduce snatch at the rear of the train and reduce shock overall, because the whole thing is in tension and compression at the same time, with compression being able to keep rolling stock pushed straight to avoid string-lining, and reduce hunting, and overall yawing. the only thing they cant do is be stronger than knuckle couplers (unless they're huge and difficult to use), which is why they're still used all over the place.
13:35 That's an urban legend, he didn't sit on it he just closed the valve tight, it was making a loud annoying whistling sound and he finally got fed up with it. Sadly nobody knew you weren't supposed to do that and The Best Friend of Charleston blew up as a result.
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Props to Hyce's sister and mother for having to deal with his foamerness. And for having to deal with something else on the trip.
What does foamerness mean? It is a word I have not encountered before.
@@jimmydesouza4375 it is his train foamer (someone who is excited about all things trains) -ness is the action of it. Ie craziness is the act of being crazy.
@@Johndoe-jd Thanks.
1:56 That is a Golsdorf chassis, where the front, back and middle wheels can move sideways
2:04 That is the speedometer drive
6:30 KkStb build... so pre WW1 Austrian
7:45 The most famous LGB model train
8:19 Bosnian gauge (the KkStb standard size)
9:09 Water in the bottom frame, coal in the side bunkers
11:07 Suedbahn class 29 (the other pre-WW1 Austrian railway operator) Multiple are preserved, one is in running condition
19:40 G12 (which is kind of an Einheitslok before they existed) Third cylinder is run from a separate set between the frames (like on a Br44) instead of relying on an outside lever. There is a G12 in operating condition, the 58 311
During initial watching, I was sure that G12 was a Br44. You have a good eye.
What a great tour of the Slovenian museum Hyce! As for why most of the locomotives there are completely bonkers, well, that's because none of them are Yugoslavian at all. They are all Austro-Hungarian (with the exception of the primer locomotive, which is Prussian). This meant that all of them were build with heavy, windy, standard guage mountain lines in mind.
Also a fun fact about the ancient choo-choo: She is not alone! Build as part of the Südbahn class Alt (old) 23, nowadays five (FIVE) of this class of 1860's era freight haulers are preserved: 718 is the one in Slovenia, 674 in Hungary, 680 in Berlin, and 53.7114 at the Strasshof railway museum.
And then there is No. 671, which is kept in full-time operational condition at the GKB, which, having been build in 1860 and never retired from work besides for maintenance, is the longest-serving locomotive in the world!
Holy crap. That's an amazing story of preservation. The locos being Austro-Hungarian makes a lot of sense given the context of the region during those times.
For an engine from 1860s it do be a chonker.
And europe seemed to like open cab engines for quite a long time guess the visibility explains it.
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THE OPENCAB WAS CHEAPER TO BUILD AND ANOTHER WAY OF THE UPPER CLASSES TO LORD OVER THE WORKER!
THIS MIMICS THE EARLY HIGH END LUXURY AUTOMOBILES, WHERE THE CHAUFFEUR WAS RIDING COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED , WITH ONLY AN WINDSHIELD FOR PROTECTION, WHILE HIS MASTERS HAD AN NICE LUXURIOUS CABIN!
@@rossbryan6102 uhh chap.
the lack of roof on early cars was so the ejector seat could work when they hit something.
@@davidty2006 It was the Euro + UK social class system. Engineers/drivers were just chauffeurs for the rich, and didn't deserve weather protection. Like a Hansom cab.
The fact that the SVRy, that little windy barely-staying-alive railroad from an obscure corner of Oregon that I call home, has made a cameo in model form at a railroad museum in Slovenia of all places, makes me very happy. That little railroad is so underrepresented here in America, to see it getting at least some recognition internationally... just amazing.
Thank LGB for making a G-scale model of it! 😉
hyce being confused by europes existance is just the best
21:19 the third pipe is for steam heating. Most european trains used steam to heat passenger cars. Even some of the early era diesellocos like German V100, BR 216, V200 were equipped with steam generators, to provide steam for the car heatings.
Oh interesting. We used very different fittings for steam heat over here so that's why it didn't ring a bell
Ireland used post world war two generator vans for creating heat and electricity.
16:54 I am glad to see that I am not the only one who tried to push on the buffers on a steam loco 😂
"It's a child, it's only 12 tons"
Definitely a line you only hear about steam locomotives
Or trains in general. shunters are cute.
Shunters are still dangerous and can maim or kill.
Those sideways D slides were almost universal in every country but the U.S. The Brits loved to point out the "old-fashioned" rockers of American locos, which, yes, made lubrication easier, but also added more moving parts to the valve train. With the slides on the inside the eccentrics could drive the valves directly without the use of rocking shafts.
9:06 yes, the whole frame is a water tank. One of side storage thingey is probably also a water tank and the other one is a coal bunker. This allows you to have more water but in addition shifts the centre of mass downwards
Since you brought up the sumpter valley mallets here is a fun fact
When the sumpter valley got the mallets from uintah and decided to give them tenders they used the biggest ones they had which just happened to be the ones that originally came with 19 and 20.
So 19 and 20 lost their original tenders to the mallets.
The 19 and 20 then went to the white pass while the mallets and the tenders went to Guatemala.
When our organization got started in the 70s we were able to get 19 and 20 back from Alaska, and while we weren’t able to get the mallets back we were able to get the tenders back.
So the original locomotives of the mallet tenders have received their tenders back at the rebirth of their original railroad
That is cool!
You needed more comments from your sister.
And props to her and your mom for this stop and filming.
25:39 “he likes it when it’s dirty” 😂
*In cockatoo sounds* Marian!!!
Welp, ain't I predictable... at 14:46 the valve gear is called allan straight link, a combination of Gooch and Stephenson valve gear.
Watching you die inside looking at european stuff surely was entertaining :D
The fun bit about the boiler explosion you mentioned, that locomotive got rebuilt and used as a switch engine until around the 1850s ish. That railroad also had the first double ended locomotives built in the mid 1830s
of course lol
I live at near one end of that particular line. Didn't know that they rebuilt it.
More recent research shows that the "Phoenix" had been converted to stationary use c. 1837. As a stationary engine it may have lasted up until the Civil War.
Omg, it's Steam and Steel and Derail Valley in real life! /j
underrated comment
I greatly enjoyed watching a very lost american railroader puzzle at the utter strange on display. also 1860?! Holy Christmas in July that engine is like 180! and looking fantastic for her age
And it is one of five of that class that survive. One of them GKB 671 is still operational.
this is genuinely me, my dad, mom, and brother. me and dad will be looking at loco's seriously. then mom and my brother are the comic relief. love to see it. 😂
That Krauss at 9:11 might be a well tank, which would explain the need for a fill that low. As far as I know, they used those well tanks to keep as much weight down low as possible so the tall-ish locomotive wouldnt derail on crappy narrow gauge track.
As for the supposed side tanks, Ive seen smaller locomotive that use that space for tool storage or as bunkers for coal (Which would likely be on the firemans side, whatever side that would be in this case).
Interesting, that makes sense. Cheers!
@@Hyce777 if it IS the LGB engine this correct the saddles are for coal storage
At 12 tons it still is heavy and can injure or kill.
Thank you for the fun! I don't work on trains and guess where I learned what little I know (teehee) but those sure look _very_ different. Valve gear is wacky. I've got my head about halfway around Walschaerts and this stuff looks like black and red magic. But there's an incomprehensible three cylinder engine in all its red glory! TFS and looking forward to more Europe content! :)
PS. shoutout to your sister, who has a wonderfully snarky sense of humor and I'm here for it.
Yes, definite shoutouts for the snark! As well as the videography.
Alternative title:
Hyce has mental breakdowns overseas.
In this episode we hear Hyce say, "Why this" a lot.. lol Love it.
OMG, Mark that tour was absolutely enthralling and entertaining! So much to see and what a fantastic museum collection. GD! I enjoyed seeing the 1860s choo choo but the big red choo choo was WOW. Like you said, could examine that for hours. Amazing and gigantic historic roundhouse too. Mark, I really enjoyed your reactions made me giggle, but seriously I learn so much from your analysis of these objects. So excellent. Many thanks as always Professor for sharing your beautiful experience with us. Many thanks to your mom and sister for the great videography and as always cheers to you all! Looking forward to part 2!!!
Truly entertaining to watch someone so knowledgeable be so befuddled about something I am used to seeing him so informative about. All I can say is: German Engineering. Love your videos, I have learned so much watching you and next time I am in your neck of the woods, my family and I would be honored to meet up at the Colorado Railroad Museum for a tour with you as the docent.
That 0-8-0 with the outside cylinders and inside Gooch valve gear is a KkStB (Austrian state railways in Austro-Hungary) class 73. A 1885 Karl Gölsdorf design for the mountainous Arlberg railway and a very successful freight locomotive. They passed onto successor states and some ended up serving as station pilots into the 60s. The one in Ljublanja is 73.372, later Yugoslav Railways 133-005. We have one running in the Czech Railways museum in Lužná u Rakovníka (ČSD 414.096, originally 73.368), but it rarely runs - It's very powerful for tourist trains but the inside valve gear hates modern continuous welded rail - instead of shaking around it "settles down" in a position and tends to overheat the bearings and it's hard to get to to constantly pour oil over it. It's also too slow to go anywhere under it's own power and not hold up traffic, and removing the valve gear and rods to get it somewhere fast is near impossible, we're not used to inside valve gear at all in what once was Austro-Hungary and it's crew often calls it "when Gölsdorf decided to copy a british locomotive just to spite everyone".
The tank 2-6-2 is a Südbahn (South Austrian private railway) class 229 - also a Karl Gölsdorf design made with the main focus on acceleration on suburban trains. They were very popular throughout their lives and here in Czechia we call them "the be-everywhere's" as they were spread throughout the entire network, along with the later superheated and modernized class 629, that was later developed further with the Czech class 354.1. Of the later locomotives many run to this day and 354.195 might be the most popular vehicle for tourist trains in Czechia so it's very easy to get to see it throughout the summer.
Oh and the thing connected to the connecting rod behind the last pair of drive wheels on nearly all european locomotives is the speedometer drive.
ua-cam.com/video/L-49E38Ctlg/v-deo.html Oh and here's a good video of 414.096 getting to stretch it's legs a good bit around the Prague suburban network
@@JensJaskorski Sorry, I must have got it wrong - Tbh i assumed that the nickname 414.096 got recently was correct and I didn't check it.
There should have been a counter with ding sfx that keeps track on how many times Hyce says "Weird".
Every locomotive there has me go "I wanna run that". The Austrian 0-8-0 has the S282 cab even!
Thank you for making more videos about Slovenia! I'm from here and am really proud!
Man, so much smoke pouring out of your ears while watching you figuring out how these monstrosities work. That one with 3 cylinders really threw me.
If you ever make it to Italy, go to the Leonardo da Vinci museum in Milan. It’s a science and technology museum, but it has a massive collection of Italian railway equipment (steam, diesel, electric) in addition to stationary machines for driving industry. I think it’s well akin to the Smithsonian.
Well, this is fun! Looks like a worthwhile place to visit. Maybe we need an engineering deepdive 101 on slide and piston valves and how the heck do you keep them working and lubricated? Maybe saturated steam with a little lubrication thrown in was enough? I don't know. I mean, I love trains, I can kinda wrap my head around some of the technical stuff, but I'm a complete ignoramus when it comes to understanding the really technical hows and whys.
7:43 ah, one of the Stainz 0-4-0T's! Four of these were built in 1892 for the Styrian State Railway - today two are left, this one and another in Austria on the Murtalbahn where it's kept in operating condition. And no doubt you'll know why it looks familiar... it's the basis for the classic LGB G-scale 'Stainz' 0-4-0T, which must have been produced in the thousands since its debut in 1968.
Link to the German-language wiki page: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKGLB_1%E2%80%932
19:39 now this one I'm familiar with! It's a Prussian G12 class 2-10-0 heavy freight locomotive. Yes, three cylinders as you note, for ALL the power and better balance, but what makes this type fun is that after the KPEV (Royal Prussian State Railways) brought the first ones, they became a German standard during World War I across all of the major state rail companies. The one you saw, 36-013, actually started life as a Prussian G12, was renumbered as 58 1226 when everything got amalgamated into the Deutsche Reichsbahn in 1921, and then got left behind in Yugoslavia with forty-nine other engines (forty-seven Prussian and two Baden) of the same type after World War II. The red oxide paint scheme wasn't its real in-service livery, rather it's an anti-rust coating so this is presumably still in the process of some form of cosmetic restoration
I have a Märklin H0 scale model of a Württemberg G12, and I love it, gorgeous model and very at home with my Länderbahn-era stock... haven't run it in a while though. Time is fake, motivation is lacking, sad noises.
Anyhoo, link to the German-language wiki page again: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fische_G_12
Sorry for the longwinded comment, keep up the good work!
The long-winded comment is appreciated! The details are always fun to learn. :)
Glad that you enjoyed the museum. Used to spent quite some time in it back when the Ljubljana Railway Lovers Society was located there.
2:02 I think that’s the part that makes the speedometer work.
25:25 correct, that’s the workshop that stores 3 locos (SŽ 25-026, 33-037 and 06-018) which were still operational a few years ago and pulled the museum train. Unfortunately they’re all out of service now.
There’s also one of the locomotives that used to pull Tito’s train there.
It's so funny to see you react to totally regular european railroad standards 😀
BTW, most "Why's" can be answered by history and development, as well as sales marketing. Things were very different in the eary years, until the now usual constructions have been established.
Seeing Hyce's brain go on the fritz is always entertaining. Keep it up Hyce, love your content.
Yay, Sumpter Valley, hopefully we get 19 going soon, so one of the tenders we originally put behind the Uintah's will be rolling again!
Quite the amusing coincidence to have you talking about the reason for the all-the-way-through piston rods (at 20:30) on the same day that This Old Tony posts a video talking about how gas struts work, which is exactly the same mechanism!
Absolutely Wonderful!!! Thank you for sharing this with us!
Perhaps the 3rd cylinder valve and inclined cylinder on the 3 cylinder locomotive is similar to the UP 9000 series? IIRC, the center valve was driven off the other two valves with everything being 33 degrees out of phase. Something new to learn? 🙂
Yeah I was wondering. I understand gresley conjugated gear but this was weird and hard to see haha
@@Hyce777 If it is a form of conjugated gear I'd love to see how it works. The Gresley variation had issues because the motion was derived in front of the valves, and as the valve rods expanded due to heat the timing would change. Looks like this would have to be derived behind the valves which would eliminate the issue.
Could be more like the Thompson and Peppercorn Pacific’s where all three cylinders had independent sets of Walschaerts valve gear.
I was going to say that it might be Henschel conjugated gear, which I describe as "Gresley, but sideways". Judging by the two parallel shafts, it might be. Although, someone else commented that it could be a separately driven Walschaerts gear, though I feel like Hyce would have been able to pick that.
@@rus0004not if the valve gear for the middle cylinder isn’t easily visible without being underneath. After all, if you look at Tornado you can tell that it’s a 3 cylinder if you look at the front of the engine, but the middle cylinder, I believe, is also sideways which I believe it would have to be in order to have both the valve gear and the main connecting rod attached to the axle on the middle driving axle.
i was there a month ago, really nice museum, i loved how you could walk around freely in the train yard
HYCES REACTIONS TO EUROPEAN LOCOMOTIVE PRACTICES IS SIMILAR TO BACK IN MY VERY EARLY DAYS OF BEING
AN AUTO MECHANIC , AND SEEING THE MECHANICAL WORKING OF A EUROPEAN AUTOMOBILE!!
VERY LUCKILY, I GRADUATED TO TO BE AN COMPETENT LOCOMOTIVE MECHANIC!
KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!!
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That is an amazing display of steam. The little K3 looks a LOT like the Stainz engines that LGB used in their start sets for ages.
Because that's pretty much exactly what that the model is based on. A Krauss bosnian gauge two-coupler. de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKGLB_1%E2%80%932
That three cylinder engine is like an effect from an old movie with only vague documentation on how it was done, and physical impossibilities in the way of fully figuring it out.
I’m still learning my way around how steam locomotives work, but it was so much fun to be able to put myself in both Hyce’s head (“Ohmygodohmygodohmygodchoochoohowdoesthiswork!!??”) and his sister’s head (“I have no idea what this nerd is talking about”). Can’t wait for the next one!
Mechanical systems are very interesting once one figures out how they work.
It's so complicated yet simple.
Nice to see some resend pictures of the Prussian G12 in Slovenia, that is the weird three zylinder one at 19:35 we have one working example of this lokomotiv class in Germany, 58 311 from the Dampfnostalgie Karlsruhe.
The Karl Gölsdorf side of locomotive engineering is a pathway to abilities many consider to be...unnatural.
You should really come to Graz sometime they are running the GKB 671. It's the same series as No. 718, it has a cab and it's operational, being kept alive by a bunch of competent enthusiasts. Built 1860 and never retired since (just temporarily pausing a few years here and there for overhaul), it was equipped with a new boiler and now it's still running quite charmingly, it needs a lot of love though, especially when it comes to lubrication and bearing temperatures.
Gratitude to your sister for her two cents, and for chasing you around with the camera. Hycister ❤
Another great video! Iirc at 5:03 the input steam from the boiler tends to be on the outside of the D valve because of a neat physics thing: it's at a higher pressure than the exhaust steam going through the inside of the D valve, so that pressure difference pushes down on the D valve and creates a seal all on its own.
But also yeah at 7:28 sideways D valves are a vibe; I think there were a whole bunch of European locos that used them tho?
Either way I dunno whether or not I want to see you someday go to the UK and visit the National Railway Museum in York; on the one hand the viewers would be amused at your mental anguish but on the other hand we don't want to break you *too* hard lol
It's really funny to eatch hyce have a breakdown over pre ww1 austrian engines
Jeez. I saw the stream you did when you came back, and watching this doesn't make my head hurt any less.
So many "Why"'s, so few "Because..."'s.
**Brain throbs**
Ow.
Here's a transcript summary of the entire video.
Hyce: What? Why? This is weird.
And I'm sure some foreign train people would come here and say the same thing about our choo choos.
All the Cockato Sounds
I hadn't seen this yet. You do great work.
You should visit the ralway museum in Budapest , because it has strange locomotives too and it also has a little garden railway which goes around almost the whole museum and you can even ride it.(There may also be a very goofy streamlined tank engine on display sometimes.There is aslo and entire building dedicated to model trains.)
Cool! Having spent 2 weeks chasing steam in Germany + Austria in 1970, not much of this seems weird to me. I rode behind a small museum loco with outside Stephenson, the problem was it was easy to get it damaged. That Stephenson mounted inboard on the main crankpin would have been protected somewhat.
I believe the suspension is equalized, just upside down. The bolted vertical suspension rods connect to equalizing rockers down below. In the US, there was a simple conjugating valve gear for 3 cylinder locomotives, mounted out front where it was easy to work on and understand. UK and Euro railroads didn't think much about easy maintenance, and put crazy conjugating gear in between the frames.
The goofy slanted valve chests, I can't help, but they were common on early engines.
Cheers for the context! It looked like it was all pinned in on the frames to me but I could see how there could be levers hiding in there where you can't see them. Plate frames are not something I'm used to either. Chasing back in 1970 must've been rad!
Strangely enough, I actually understand Sir Nigel Gresley's valve gear arrangement for the middle cylinder.
13:46 Ah yes I am familiar with that one.We have a bus service named after that choo choo...
I'm not completely sure but I think the valve gear at 24:00 is Henschel & Son conjugated valve gear. If it was two rocker levers one on top of the other.
Hyce: Oh, they've got a Uintah Articulated--
Me: (Reaches for pitchfork)
Hyce: --after it was sold to the Sumpter Valley.
Me: (Puts away pitchfork)
Also, cool convertible engine! With a view that good, how long before we see you running 20 without her cab? Lol...
Only Dr. Moedinger got that honor. Lol!
Krauss locomotives are cool, particularly the small well tank ones.
I look after a 1889 2ft gauge one 😊
I’ve actually been here (I’m half Slovene) and it’s a truly amazing museum
762mm "Bosnian Gauge" is common throughout the former Austro-Hungarian Empire. IIRC During construction of one of the first Austrian main lines, British equipment was used. 2'6" Gauge was popular in the UK for contractor's locomotives (we still have two operating 2'6" railways in the UK). When construction was finished the stock was bought by the Austro-Hungarian army and used on one of the first railways in Bosnia (a military line). When more light railways were built in the Empire, they stuck to the same gauge so that rolling stock and locomotives could be common to all the narrow gauge lines.
7.62...that number sounds familiar.
Nice to see some engines from another part of the world great video
Dude 👍
So Hyce isn't confused by Derail Valley's european stuff, but is confused by IRL european stuff
21:25 Wait, so Zephie from Chuggington's lift-and-spin thing is prototypically correct?! I always thought that was one of the most unrealistic things any "Chugger" in the entire show had, save for Action Chugger being able to fly, and maybe Frostini having a crazy ice cream machine taking up his entire side.
Hyce is like the Uncle Roger, but with trains in this video😅
1:35
So funfact, the red engine behind Hyce Is the Prussian G12. A triple cylinder decapod!
It was also the first engine I tried to add to derail valley! (It went poorly)
I would kill to have a class 58 in DV
All those questions and dissing engineers from days of old so it makes sense in your noggin. Many who had no examples of which to go by , who later through trial and error became that which became the examples , I give them much respect for dealing with what they had or could make. This was almost painful lol. Dont over analyze , just enjoy they are still preserved and able to be seen. Some pretty cool items there , thanks for sharing.
If you are ever in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I recommend to you to go to the John Street Roundhouse in downtown Toronto. It is both a museum and a Brewery, so you can get beer after a tour of seeing all of the trains.
...I'm there this weekend, but with not much time. I'll see if I can! :D
@@Hyce777 I hope you have fun then.
Sorta sad, I remember it when it was active.
When she said can't say that 23.07 ish I had my whiskey shoot out my nose as I'm putting hardwood floor in lol
4:00 "Cruella de Vil drives this" looks like Bugatti Royal Coupé Napoleon. You should see the real thing when you visit the national railway museum of France! Both are in Mulhouse. The railway museum has a passenger rail car built with one of the surplus 13 liter engines from these automobiles.
Northern Pacific had the supported Piston rods on the W-3 2-8-2 Mikadoes, but later in life several of them got it removed.
18:22 As a Eurofoamer, I looked at this and was like "yep. It's a prussian P8 but the tender is WEIRD"
This assumption is wrong. Turns out, these are in fact their own thing - Südbahngesellschaft (SB) 109. But the dimensions are SO similar. Cylinder bore and stroke, driving wheel diameter... all within centimeters of one another. It's essentially like a prussian P8 but made in Austria.
At 2:00, I believe that's a pump oiler. Not the "real McCoy" drip oiler.
Love the ES & D shirt, wish your shop shipped to Canada
We're working on that! International tax law is a thing.
15:47 Floridsdorf is in the North of Vienna in austria. The Locomotive Factory there went on to be 100 Years in Service from 1869 to 1969 making many different Famous Steam Engine in europe.
16:48 The 406 is only one of still 3 surviving 17c Classes (the a, b & ds are not preserved) and it was made in 2-3 diff Factories. Wiener Neustadt is South of Vienna and also made some Famous Locomotives. There is even a Functioning 17c named 372 at Strasshof (also Austria) in a Train Museum full of Functioning Locomotives (the 372 was the first c to go into mass Production, before her were 2-3 Prototypes which were Bs with a C SetUp).
External stephenson is the most badass thing to do! DUH
I'm not loco shaming, I'm loco asking why...
A tip: Next time just talk to the museum staff. A few years ago I visited the "Deutsche Museum" in Munich, a huge technical museum (which also has a lot of railway gear, btw.) and especially theirt aviation department, with as blind lady friend.
Now I'm an aircraft mechanic by profession, and I realised that I could talk a lot to my friend, but without literally getting her fingers on the exhibits, she would not understand anything.
I talked to the museum guards (who were btw. all former aircraft mechanics of the Dornier aircraft factory, which went bankrupt a few years before) and they realised that I knew my way around aircraft.
They allowed us to go past the barriers and even to climb on the exhibits. They only asked us notbto touch a few aircraft, which were either on loan from private owners or, in the case of an original Lilienthal glider from the 1880s, too fragile to be touched.
My friend really understood what I was telling her, and it was interesting for me as well, as I could get a close look at the technical details of historical aircraft, like a Messerschmidt Me-262 jet.
If you would have told them of your work in the museum in Colorado (possibly with pictures or videos showing you driving a steam loco), they probably would have alled you to climb on the locos as well.
You are a star. Good advice. Simply asking nice goes a long way.
I was booked on a train from NYC that kept falling behind schedule, and Penn Station is a good place to leave. I noticed a local about to leave, so a went to the platform, showed my ticket to Chicago, and got a ride on a half full local up the Hudson during the late afternoon. A great ride BTW.
21:25 pretty sure it’s the reservoir line (10 bar) and the brake line (5 bar), which is something European to use air for non-braking uses (doors, refilling the reservoir, cab controls, …) probably retrofitted for high end pax cars / inexhaustible brakes
I think it would be pretty cool to have an actual Uintah Articulated at some random Yugoslavian railway museum.
0:41 thats usually the case with train museums here in europe, either its a roundhouse or an old shunting yard or something like that. our modern locomotives are all dual cab, so no turntables.
hmmm no turntables on the lines these days which lead to steam engines having to run with a diesel on the tail end for mainline though theres still remnants of turntable pits. Though not all the engines are dual cabs, though ones which arn't generally have dual controls in the same cab.
Nice :)
6:35 No, of course it is Austro-Hungarian, it does not „look German” at all. kkStB was the Austrian state railroad company in the later stages of the empire.
Also, there were no unified German railroads at that time. Germany consisted of quite independent states even after unification, many of which had their own designs.
German railroads only unified in the 1920s, that’s when we get the “Einheitsloks” (unified loco designs).
11:21 Actually, there are more preserved engines of this Südbahn class 23. One of them is GKB 671, and it is still running, the oldest locomotive in continuous service in the world! (With modified cab).
Looked German to me; but yeah, dirty-uncultured-doesn't-know-things-outside-of-America. The positional difference of Germany and Austria is basically two states in the western USA; so hopefully that gives me some slack. lol! I appreciate you teaching me about this though.
it's very fun to watch hyce's brain melt at european choos
Alternate title: Confused Hyce noises!
just hilarious, a good few chuckles while i enjoyed watching.
Poor Hyce, I have to feel sorry for you and your confusion.
But I have some information to solve your pain.
Firstly, European locomotives are equalised, but often the equalising beams are hidden between or under the frames, connected with long hangers to the springs. The springs themselves can be under the frame as well.
D valves were common until superheating of steam became a thing after 1900, not just in Europe but the US as well. The locomotives you have seen with D valves are all pre 1910.
D valves were always outside admission unless they were of the balanced type.
With unbalanced D valves the whole upper surface of the valve is subject to steam pressure to keep them seated and sealed, inside admission would blow the valve off its seat.
With balanced valves the upper surface does partially slide against a machined surface in the cover, often with springs acting on them as well, that made them easier moving with outside admission and seated with inside admission. Different versions exist in the US and Europe.
The large 3 cylinder engine is a German class, in German, Baureihe 58. The inner cylinder works on the third axle which is cropped, the inner valve motion is also Walschaerts operated by a large eccentric on the same axle.
There is an operational example in Germany, 58 311, I had once an excursion behind it and it sounds great with the three cylinder beat.
You can find many videos if you search for 58 311 in the YT search bar, check especially those where it runs freight, a thing they have done quite regularly in Germany in the preservation era for the enthusiasts to enjoy lineside.
21:20 the plumbing: left and right brake pipe, the what is this plumbing is for train heating (steam)
25 minutes of just watching Hyce's brain melt while tryong to figure out 'But why?' and 'What do?' is just *chef's kiss*
Edit: Nevermind, that was the whole video of just slowly watching a man's brain flat-line. Again, beautiful.
Finding it hilarious as a Brit how much stuff you think is 'weird' by American standards, but are perfectly normal practice here 😂e.g. lubricating slide valves mounted vertically is easily done with a hydrostatic lubricator! Plus having the big ends use split bearings means you can slip out the bearing for remetalling without disassembling the valve gear- just remove the rear cotter and bar the crosshead forwards, will pull the con rod off the bearing!
Hyce getting culture shock from european locomotives
Hi, a small fun fact about Walschaerts valve gear, in Germany and its neighbouring countries "Walschaerts" is called "Heusinger" after German Edmund Heusinger von Waldegg, who invented it in 1849.
So when you talk about German locos, you can call its valve gear by its propper name.
That random lever on the green locomotive was probably the whistle or sander, nonetheless it's pretty and we shall run it on the MAINLIME!!
The convertible is definitely the sports train.
I'm sorry but the locomotive (406) is objectively cool. I'm glad it exists.
Outside eccentrics would be easier to maintain than inside at a time when Walschaerts wasn't commonplace.
The reason for having no equalisation links is to make the ride smoother, at the sake of losing some ability to handle super rough and tight track. This was especially proven in Britain, where the USATC S160s were known as being rough riders and in finescale 4mm/ft modelling, by many practitioners of Scalefour Society, who as a whole started with only compensation/equalisation levers, then to springy levers (which are a lot like American suspension), to individual springs (proved hard to tune/set up), to now having a continuous music wire spring, the latter most of which provides impeccably smooth tracking, keeping the locomotive steady, without any shaking, and coincidently is very similar to a type of springing invented by Gordon Varney decades ago. Non-powered stock has taken a similar path of switching from pure equalising levers to springing, with the best systems being those by Chris Pendleton, Dave Bradwell, and Bill Bedford. Isn't it amazing how far models have been able to push forward and help us realise the true nature of conclusions that would otherwise just confuse us, like what happened to Mark (I told you about this, but I think you read that only after going to the museum)? The most useful place to go for learning about suspension (especially in model form) is the CLAG website, that has a nice article on the basics, and many other examples of model trains pushing to innovate.
Oh yeah, buffer and screw link couplings (especially when there is a continuous drawbar) are great because they reduce snatch at the rear of the train and reduce shock overall, because the whole thing is in tension and compression at the same time, with compression being able to keep rolling stock pushed straight to avoid string-lining, and reduce hunting, and overall yawing. the only thing they cant do is be stronger than knuckle couplers (unless they're huge and difficult to use), which is why they're still used all over the place.
Hyce: "How do oil the motion on this 1860s 0-6-0?"; Slovenia: "Pour oil from cab, motion will get oiled, silly American!"
13:35 That's an urban legend, he didn't sit on it he just closed the valve tight, it was making a loud annoying whistling sound and he finally got fed up with it. Sadly nobody knew you weren't supposed to do that and The Best Friend of Charleston blew up as a result.
13:46 Sounds like he got a nice view before he croaked
Drinking game.
Everytime hyce laughs in both parts, or gets confused.