"...I see. I thought you were abnormal before, but I'm sure now. Shirou. Your way of life is really distorted." ...She tries to open a lid I've kept closed for so long.
A child decides that though knowing the end lies in darkness, the path itself was not wrong - UBW A child chooses to abandon everything that he ever cherished, and leaves behind everything he ever believed in order to protect something that, according to his own ideals, has no place in this world - HF And people ask why this visual novel was epic.
A child decides to reject an easy salvation and carry on through his path filled with thorns, knowing that anything else would be an insult to the memories he left long behind. -Fate
I'm reading it right now, also it's my first entry to the VN world. Was surprised, I was expecting to be a little bored but because of the voice acting, osts, etc. I feel like i can read it all day
"You still cling onto that day! The man who saved you, the joy on his face, you wanted that same happiness for yourself! These worthless ideals of yours aren't even your own!"
Although I can agree that it was a great line my favorite lines from the VN were "Can you keep up with me?" "My dream isn't a mistake." "Get lost, Sakura can't smile if you exist." but my definite favorite has to be "I'm home, Saber."
"---- This path, I don't believe it's the wrong one." "---- I see. Then you..." "I don't need the Holy Grail. I can't stray from the path for the people I've left behind"
Dat. This line made me like Shirou to no end. Actually, everyone in the story liked Shirou better after this. Even Kotomine went lol after this part heh
It just reminds me of when Shirou was despaired in the park when he was unable to help Sakura and how Illya was there to comfort him.... I really want to see that scene again.
I release my left arm. My consciousness is about to fade away. "Trace, on." ... My last projection. I'll use the strongest sword I know to destroy the curse along with the great holy grail. It'll definitely be the end.
Just imaging shirou imaging artoria and goes "ex... Caliber" not in a shout but in a calm cold robotic voice and releases it's destructive power to destroy the Grail is awesome
Rubber and Gum By that point he already forgot Artoria and his mind is breaking down. He literally is also doing this for Sakura, it feels weird that he would be emotionless and thinking about Artoria while in great physical and mental pain for Sakura.
Growing up, I think I had a lot of Shirou's issues. I do get where he's coming from. If everyone acted in service to others, the world would be a kinder place. If all life is precious, surely one life given to save another is a noble thing. The more that you can save with that one sacrifice, the better. What is my one life weighed against the lives of two others? There was a point where I would have been very willing to take a bullet for someone else. Now, as I enter my 28th year, I'm not so sure. In 12 years, I've come to realize that my one life isn't isolated. What happens to me affects those around me who care, and that there are people who would grieve that I'd never expect. Sacrificing my potential for brining pain or joy to those around me to save someone else's potential to do the same...is that even something I can weigh? Is it something I can measure? In a way, Rin is also right. Living purely for others isn't natural. It's twisted. But I can't decide if either of them are wrong. Maybe one day I'll have my answer.
What Rin means is not that living for others is twisted; rather, not living for yourself is twisted. What's the difference? The difference is that it is okay to live for others, but you should also think of yourself. Simply put: "You can't save anyone if you're dead." It is okay to save others, but part of the reason for wanting to save them has to come from within yourself. It doesn't have to be some kind of ulterior motive; it could be something as simple as personal satisfaction, achievement, happiness, or joy. But if your entire reason for saving people is because of the ideal of saving everyone or simply because there are people who need saving, then when you realize how many you cannot save, you'll just end up an empty shell. In other words, save others while also saving yourself, so that you can continue saving others.
@@whateverwhatever4476 Please stop with the inconsiderate comments. He posted on here hoping that someone would understand him and help him. Saying he's "interesting" or "fascinating" without comprehending the depth of his anxiety and anguish is not only unhelpful, it is damaging.
@@lunais1433 your taking this way to personally I just stated I found it intending. I never said anything insulting. I just find the way he views life interesting I've personally don't see it that way so I'm curious how one could see things in such a manner. I never said anything damaging by making that statement
Watching Shiro break was one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever read through. Watching him realize how his ideals are illusions and that he'd have to choose between the fragmented road his father walked or a path that went against everything he believed but would protect the one he loved... ug. When he finally made the choice to protect Sakura against all odds, I cheered.
"But he earns a small answer. The answer is only for this summoning. It is a meaningless thing that he will forget the next time he is summoned. But there is nothing to regret. It is something that has already been built up, something that the boy will build using all his life. There is only one thing coming and going through his mind. There is regret. He does not know how many times he wished to redo things. Heroic spirit Emiya will forever curse this end. But still-- I was not wrong ------- There is nothing to talk about The boy will remain, and he will leave The only things that remain are the exchanged blows. The path is long. Relying on the sounds of the swords echoing far away, the boy heads for the deserted plains. FIN" And that is why I prefer Brilliant Years over Sunny Days
I think what I like best about Heaven's Feel is that Shirou realizes the importance of his own life. In Fate, he continually puts himself in harm's way to live out his ideal. In UBW, while he is confronted with how twisted his worldview is, he chooses to pursue his ideal because of the beauty he sees in it, regardless of the consequences to himself. However, in Heaven's Feel, Shirou realizes that by sacrificing himself, he is hurting everyone around him. By choosing to protect Sakura, the person he loves, who gave everyday life meaning, over his ideals, he begins to pursue his own selfish happiness. As a result, he realizes that if he dies, he will be depriving Sakura of the man she loves, the person who inspired her to keep going instead of giving up, one few people she has felt a sense of safety with. His death will deprive Taiga of her little brother. In the end, as he stands before the Grail, about to sacrifice his life, he hesitates. Shirou recovers that fear of death that he was so disconnected from in the two other routes. In my opinion, Shirou realizing the intrinsic value in his own life, rather than the value of living a certain lifestyle, is what makes Heaven's Feel so excellent. P.S. Loved the two other routes as well :)
That, and how Shirou realizes that the ideal of saving people does not necessarily require saving everyone. If one can save just one person, if one can be a hero to just one person, then one's life can have just as much meaning as someone who has saved everyone.
Curiously, he adopts a worldview akin to Shiki Tohno. Shiki is terrified of dying because he wants to enjoy what little time he has left in the world. In Arcueid's route, Shiki falls for Arcueid, and he vows to be there for her, even if the world turns against the two.
@@NuwandaLunaDragon I think shiki tohno is for hard core type moon fans cause tsukihime doesn't have anime adaptation (and don't search for it ) unlike fate specially if it's every where like JoJo you know but yeah tsukihime is the first to make the name of type moon become successful and Iam waiting for it's remake to be on pc and of course to make fate have a remake because you can't get bored of any of them.
damn nostalgia. I read FSN when I was still in HS. I literally didn't go to school for a week just to read this novel after finishing tsukihime; definitely one of the most enjoyable moments of my teenage years, reading typemoon works. how i wish i can forget about this story and reread it again.
***** My brother introduced me to it; I really enjoyed it. I played the original version with the hentai scenes but I heard they made a PG rated version for all ages recently.
Miss Elly That's correct, it's called Realta Nua - it may just be nostalgia talking, but I prefer the original when compared to it. (not due to the hscenes - more due to changes made to the context of Heavens Feel's story, and the re-imagined music). A forum known as Beast's Lair should still have a combined patch that incorporates the original english translation for use in the PC release of Realta Nua, along with translations of any new scenes - if you are curious about the newer version. It adds some interesting tidbits here and there; along with a more satisifying epilogue to the Fate route - but overall, if you enjoyed the original then you have already seen the best it has to offer. :)
Now that you mention it, HF route takes a lot of stereotypes regarding heroes, villains, and female leads, and turns them on their heads. The love-interest is a legit danger to the world, the hero gives up everything he's ever known to protect said danger, and the only way the villain opposes him is that he wants to keep the pieces as they are set (i.e., Angra Manyu gets freed through Sakura, and wrecks shit).
@@miguelmonteiro3963 Many female characters, especially in fiction but also in movies, are basically male characters put in a female body. You'll have this super petite girl fighting off twenty jacked-up security guards while having this unfazed, stoic face and a ruthless mindset. No girls in real life are like that. Yes, beating up twenty dudes is unrealistic regardless of gender, but the smaller body of the girl exacerbates how ridiculous it is. More importantly though is how real girls, whether today, 1000 years ago or 2000, are almost never this stoic, ruthless, emotionless character. It's not particularly common for men either, but it's virtually impossible to find a girl in real life who is like that, especially a young girl.
This BGM remind me the end of the Fate Route. Whil Shirou and Saber climb the stairs heading to the final fight. When Shirou reminders everything what happen during the last 2 weeks. Everything about Saber, all the difficulties he came through. His feeling for Saber to not disappear, but he restrained himself because that would betray Saber. That BGM fit so perfectly this moment and it's the first scene I remember when I hear this BGM.
Just finished Heaven's Feel true ending today, and I wanna read it all over again. Sakura's despair and Shirou's shattered dreams were just so touching.
Shirou acted in a very human way. Despite all evidence that they are beyond help, despite who else might be hurt or whomever else we risk in the doing we want to believe in the people who we love. Shirou gave up everything not just to defend Sakura from others but to save her from herself; her guilt and the burdens she accepted due to her position and her family. The difference between risking one stranger and risking the world entire is simply a matter of degree. The choice is the same.
It's not a question about whether you are right or wrong. It's a matter about doing what you believe in the most. This really fits Emiya well. When you think about it, Emiya pretty much lost everything. His family, his childhood friends, his neighbours. He was a no one. Saved by Kiritsugi. Living slowly like a human after realising that everything in your childhood is gone. Falling in love with your girlfriend. The core of HF is basically in simple terms, Are you willing to kill the person you love, the person that made you feel happy again for the sake of the greater good, for the sake of 'living'? Or are you willing to let the world die for a single person? Are you willing to let the same tragedy happen again to others? Or are you willing to fall in love? It's the same thing Kiritsugi had suffered in Fate/Zero. Are you willing to be the thing that you hated the most? For someone you love?
When this song plays it is prob the most beautiful piece in storytelling I have ever seen when Saber and Shirou are standing at the base of the temple stairs about to head into a seemingly unwinnable battle, facing near certain death but still filled with resolve.
Ive just finished Fate/ Stay Night and Heavens Feel was my favorite route Shirou deciding to protect Sakura over everything else and hugging her in the rain and accepting her for who she is was beautiful and truly heart wrenching at the same time for everything she went through my two favorite characters followed by Kirei. I love this VN and the love between Shirou and Sakura felt the most real to me, this music never fails to make me emotional. Thank You Nasu lol
What I love most about this track is the way it sums up the overall feeling of the Heavens Feel route... The sword pierced defender who leaves behind his own idenity to defend the evil he loves. The backwards priest who dedicates his life and death to bringing an innocent, yet totally corupted child into this world. The manmade child giving what little remains of the tiny gift of her life to preserve a family which was never really hers... damnit im crying again.
I can't really tell which is my favorite route, Fate has my favorite romance, UBW has my favorite Shirou, Heaven's Feel has my favorite storyline, maybe because I love Illya so much I end up preferring Heaven's Feel, but it still sounds so wrong to try prefer one of them, when everyone has something that the other does not have.
Heaven's Feel is my favorite. It features the most servants in relevance, has all the masters (except kuzuki rip) being relevant to the plot and it explores the thematic of morals and good and evil the most which is IMO the main theme of the novel. UBW would be a strong contender if it wasn't for the fact I think Shirou vs Archer was so good the rest of the route felt pointless to me. And I feel Fate could be possibly my favorite route if Nasu did a (very heavy) rewrite of it.
UBW all the way for me, just something about Shirou's core character being explored in depth, and the personification of his inner conflict as Shirou vs. Archer. Of course Heaven's Feel is a masterpiece, and if I'm being real (probably) the best objective route, I just like UBW a little more. Fate route... Honestly it get's bashed a little too much imo. Sure it's not nearly as interesting as the 2 G.O.A.T routes, if I'm being honest it's a bit of a slog to get through the first 3/4 of it. However it sharply picks up towards the end, and the ending still managed to hit me in the feels just as hard as the end of the other 2 routes. In my opinion it suffers from the being the first route, as it's tasked establishing characters, plot, setting, world building etc, it has to lay the foundation for the rest of the VN. So not as much room for the more interesting and dynamic plots like that of UBW, HF. In Tsukihime, Arcuied's route has a similar problem, it's quite boring, compared to everything else the VN has to offer, but should still be read first as it establishes all the important things the reader should know before heading into the later routes.
HF normal>true in terms of resolving shirou's and sakura's storyline. illya had the unfortunate fate of having her route crammed into hf, and missing kirei would be sorely felt
My favorite is Heaven's Feel, perhaps because it's just so dramatic. The internal fight in Shirou when he realizes his ideals are impossible and he can't protect everything is heart shattering. When he realizes he can't sacrifice someone he cares so much about to protect people he's never met he realizes the true meaning of Kiritsugu's words. Then you look back at UBW again and realize that Shirou is heading toward the path of destruction Archer did himself.
In 3 of the routes Shirou is never going to path of destruction like Archer. In Fate Shirou has a motive to meet with Saber again In UBW Rin is with Shirou to drill into his stupid head that he just needs to save people in front of him and not go over the top
Shirou is very twisted character and you can even call him the embodiment of every hypocrisies of any superheroes. he is very different to a normal human being. Many normal humans also have this very optimistic dream. Normal humans have this dream but they have their own sense of justice. But shirou is very different. he has a ideal but he didn' have any sense of good or evil or any form of justice. he only try to save others for satisfying his need of pleasure or the feeling of alive. he didn' even know the true reason of his dream. He also said this in Unlimited Blade Works route. [I swore so as a child. To fulfill the dream of the man I admired most. …But to be honest, I'm still wondering… If my idea is the right one. Where my idea comes from. What I can do even despite me being just an amateur. How to make the dream of making everybody happy, which Kiritsugu always talked about, come true.] his every ideal is copied. he copied everything from Kiritsugu. Even his morality is also copied from his father. he mindlessly follow it and trying to save others without thinking because he just want to feel that smile again which is present in Kiritsugu's face. he even also want a enemy or some 'true evil' to defeat as a superhero to feel that feeling of pleasure. kirei also point out which shirou wanted to prove wrong. [Rejoice, boy. Your wish will finally come true." The priest says, as if declaring an oracle. Those words are... Aren't those the true feelings I haven't yet realized "What are you saying all of a sudden?" "You should know. Your wish will not come true unless there is a clear evil. Even if it is not something you approve of, a superhero requires a villain to defeat." "!" I feel like everything has turned black. The priest said it. The greatest wish and the ugliest wish I have are the same. …Yes, the desire to protect something… …Is, at the same time, none other than the wish for something to violate it " Y-You" But there's no way I'd wish for something like that. I don't remember a moment when I've wished for that. Such an insecure wish… …Just means the target ideals are inconsistent. But the priest says as if to pierce my heart, "Good thing you have an enemy now." "No, you do not have to gloss over it. Your worries are normal for a human being." The priest smiles. "!" I shake off the priest's words and walk to the door. ] He later also said that he think he did actually want a enemy in fate route. that's why he actually want to change saber as a more "human" for her sake but never understand his own hypocrisy. that is the reason why fate route is route which explains Shirou ideals very well. Shirou forces his copied morality and fake love of human towards everyone without understanding their problems. he has very limited emotion and he can't understand the emotion of others. But he also never understand that he also has his own "true self" of his own but he never understand his true self in fate route. We also understand that his love toward human is not fake but it is the characteristics of his true self. it is also said by Kirei in heaven's feel route [I see. So that means you will not follow Kiritsugu's path." He talks as if he's disinterested. The priest regards me with a bored expression, as if disappointed. "Father's path…?" "That's right. Your father loved humans. Higher, wider, farther. He loved humans as they go over their limits without end. That is why he turned himself into the definite evil. That man would have killed Matou Sakura. He threw away his human emotions for the sake of justice." "…Is that any different from you? Casting away one person's happiness for the sake of justice, for many people's happiness." "No. What you people call happiness did not bring me joy." "Huh…?" That's not a reply. No, more than that… He's not even looking at me. "Right, we were different. He threw away what he had, but I had nothing to throw away. The result was the same, but the process was completely different. His existence was too unpleasant. His agony was truly unpleasant. If he went to such lengths to cast it away, he should never have had it in the first place. But still he agonized over his decision, trying to pick it back up after he threw it away. As if saying that is the correct way for humans to live." "The difference was crucial. Yes. If I cannot obtain anything, why was I born into this world?" The priest' words are not directed at anyone. ...But they contain anger. They contain emotion, which i thought this man didn't have. "…Hah. Come to think of it, there is no way you can succeed Kiritsugu. He did what was necessary by throwing things away, but you insist on having it both ways. We are similar, you and I. You died once and broke down when you were resurrected. It is posteriori, but you are like me, a defect from birth."
"What…? What part of me is broken?" "You just do not realize it. You have no concept of self. So I did not think you would concern yourself with a single person. No, rather You are not concerned about many, but concerned about all as if they were only one."] In ubw he started to saw the hypocrisy of his own ideals with help of Archer and Rin and his experiences in ubw route. he understand that his ideal is always false. he has not any sense of justice and even his self. he also understand the inconsistencies of ideal of not just his own but also the ideals of others heroes. others heroes only force their ideals on the basis of their own ideals. He understand that he can't save everyone by forcing his ideal on someone. his way of saving only destroy anyone for others and only lead despair. But this is the route where he understands the true meaning of his ideal and his true self. he actually loved humans but very differently to his father. he loved the human emotions, love, compassion, shared human nature and values. He thinks that good and bad are situational. There are right and wrongs and those who didn't fear to this always lead a destruction. he want to become superhero to spread this shared nature and love of human toward each other into everywhere to form a ideal "human society" where everyone understand other's feelings and also think about the gain and loss of others as well as themselves without any prejudice and also create justice in this world. Shirou want to create a world filled with 'Swords'. swords represent Shirou's selflessness and his live for others. he want to create a ordered world where people also punishes those are bad or wrong in that situation. To destroy discimination, he want to first create a selfless world by eradicating prejudice and spreading the human nature. But it is still impossible to satisfy everyone. it still lead nowhere but it is able to create a better world. Because he knows that he is existed in this world because of others. His power is also the collective powers of everyone. He knows that with the help of everyone, he can create this utopia. that's why he said [“I have created a thousand blades . Unaware of loss Nor aware of gain”] [“This is Emiya Shirou's world. A Reality Marble. It is the greatest forbidden magic that embodies the caster's internal world. This is heroic spirit Emiya's Noble Phantasm and the only weapon I possess. Everything is here, and nothing is here. That is why this is called Unlimited Blade Works. This is the only definite answer obtained by the one who lived as a sword all his life.”] It is the true nature of Shirou.
@@toru8941 in ubw, shirou make his own path of success. Rin is there to help him. ubw shirou understand himself more than any shirou. That's why i am disagree with your point.
@@kingamar9341 I think that depends on how you view that actually and im not going to disagree on that. But one thing im sure is Shirou does not become Archer(Counter Guardian) in 3 of these routes.
This, Emiya and Ever Present Feeling are the tracks that I associate most strongly with this VN, and each with a specific route. Though each is used in every route, a different one is used in each of the routes' pivotal moments where Shirou resolves his inner conflict and the story enters the end-game. This Illusion beneath the church in Fate, where he's forced to confront the children that weren't saved. Emiya in Unlimited Blade Works where he's forced to confront his likely future if he continues on his current path. Ever Present Feeling in Heaven's Feel, in the ditch while considering whether to remove the Shroud of Martin.
This has GOT to be one of the best mood-enhancing background music ever. It enhances the emotional impact of a scene 10 folds, even when it was just Archer talking to Shirou.
"I was not wrong." Although Emiya Shirou will endlessly selfishly pursue selflessness, at the end of his eternal path, he will know that even for all the wrongs he has committed, the amount of hypocrisy he has done, the hells he has left behind, his path of selfish selflessness to be a Savior, a Hero of Justice, to save everyone was truly, utterly, breathtakingly, blindingly, and rawly beautiful. Emiya Shirou was never truly a hero, even for all his heroic deeds, he was an ordinary man with an inhuman determination. He never once retreated, even if he never truly won a "victory." That ordinary man tried again and again, even if each time in his path to reach extraordinary heights, he failed. The only thing he won at the end of his road, was the knowledge that he never betrayed his ideals, even if they betrayed him again and again. At the end of his life he saw on a hill of hell, skewered by an innumerate amount of swords, his Reality Marble, Unlimited Blade Works. And so wishing to save more people one last time, he summoned what was left of his life, to chant his aria, that sad poem of his existence, "I am the bone of my sword..."
Steel is my body and fire is my blood I have created over a thousand blades Unknown to Death Nor known to Life Have withstood pain to create many weapons Yet those hands will never hold anything So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works
In Sakura's defense, she had gone through a LOT of shit by that point. If you went through all that, I think you'd have some social issues as well. I do agree that UBW was better on most things, but HF had two things I'm sort of a sucker for: 1) a man doing everything in his power for the one he loves, and 2) a villain as kick-ass as Kotomine Kirei.
To all of those who are saying things along the line of how Fate Route is meh: This is wrong. Fate Route is an amazing story. It is only lacking in comparison to UBW and HF.
@@ken-yo2hz He was an "idiot" only because in the original version of the VN, you had to read Fate first (then UBW, then HF, in that order). It was a character arc that spanned across all three scenarios. In the first, Shirou fully embraces his ideals despite the sacrifice, in UBW he learns of the dark end and result of his own flawed logic, and in HF he abandons all of his ideals, everything that defined him as a person, to save the one he loves. He gave up on being the superhero.
The years are as long as a blink of an eye. I close my eyes and open them. The hill is covered with cherry blossoms. The boy, appearing just like he was before, is waving his hand on the familiar hill road---
I decided to sing to this piano OST since no one has done it before~ would be amazing if you could listen to it! This song brings back so many VN memories :'(
@@DugFin2 His dream is undefined to be honest. He merely wanted to be like Kiritsugu because he wanted to experience the same feeling Kiritsugu did when he saved SHirou (the feeling of being able to rescue someone). He of course didn't understand the more complex emotions Kiritsugu felt that moment. If anything the one who gets closer to understanding the true darkness Kiritsugu faced is Heaven Feel's Shirou, and we all know what he ended up choosing.
@@DugFin2 I get what you're trying to say but no, he wanted to be a hero of justice but gives up on that dream in order to protect and save Sakura. Normally he wouldn't have allowed Sakura/anyone to commit all the murders that Sakura did (Sakura even states that Shirou is betraying himself for her sake and hates herself for doing that to shirou). That's why this moment was crucial in the Heavens Feel story, Shirou decides that he will protect Sakura and deal with all the bad things she has done/will do, even at the cost of giving up his ideals. This point in the story (scene shown in the video) is when his path and Archers path diverge, shirou will never become Archer in the Heavens Feel storyline and as Archer said " if you choose this path, there will be no future for Shirou Emiya". Shirou didn't want to save the world, that was Kiritsugu, Shirou wanted to be a Hero that saved people and to keep people from seeing the horrors that he saw during the 4th grail war. They are similar goals but Kiritsugu chose to use "any means necessary " methods, whereas Shirou would rather sacrifice himself in order to get the best results.
Nope; I was not, am not, and will not hate on either HF or Sakura. While my favorite route was UBW (because EMIYA is a beast and the plot resonates with my own life) I think Sakura was the best defined of all of the love interests. And yes, emiya did get some amazing character development. The comment was not to h8 on Sakura but to summarize emiya's (a child) decisions within the story arcs.
@@hornitako7006 To be fair in UBW saber has more development than rin and in HF rin has more development than sakura and sakura has more development in HA.
2019 old memories old times playing the novel old moments of happiness without knowing anything about responsibilities all that comes to my mind when I hear this so old :´(
I somehow just began to hope that there will be an Aimer arrangement to this version that will be played either when Shirou is going to take the shroud off or just during the Excalibur projection sequence in Heaven's Feel III. Spring Song.
It's been idk how many years since I first played/read fate/stay night and it's still one of my favorite stories ever as well as my first visual novel. And this song in particular defines the story so much, its emblematic, maybe even more than the original version which is the true main song of the game.
In the Fate route Shirou sees in Saber the personification of his ideals. She is the living embodiment of his desire to be a hero and he sets out to become her following the events of Fate. I see Fate as the really good prologue to an amazing story, either one of reaffirmation of the desired path as the most important (UBW) or in abandoning that path for something more important. (HF). BTW Saber remains my 2nd favorite character, second only to Heroic Spirit Emiya:)
Just got back from watching Fate/Stay Night Heaven’s Feel II: Lost Butterfly over at L.A. Live. It was awesome and I want to see this visual novel picture since the movie version of that made me have somber, romantic, and epic feels.
@HiguraShiki My favorite was HF (just barely edges out UBW), but I feel the same way that you do. I also enjoy how much more we learn about the Grail War, and the roles the non-servant characters get to play. I do love it when all the heroes get a big role, though, which is why I'm so in love with Fate/Zero :3 I'm glad it got a great anime.
In both of those choices, either of affirmation or abandonment, the path being chosen or rejected needs to be described, which is the point of the Fate story arc. Basically Shiou says: To be Saber, or not to be her, that is the question. ^.^ I find it very ironic, well maybe intentional that Saber mirrors Shiou's choices in UBW and HF. Where Shirou chooses his ideal, so does Saber. When he turns to darkness, so does Saber. Huh, I need to think on that some more.
Gil actually likes Saber. It's just that he doesn't know how to express his feelings properly because he never experienced it during his lifetime (the closest was how he felt for Enkidu but it was in a brotherly/bestfriend way) and being someone who has owned everything he wants resulted in his arrogant treatment of Saber (but he never actually tried to kill her. In fact, he seemed happy when Saber defeated him at the end of Fate, saying that some beautiful things are meant to be out of reach)
There are more than two choices. Life is not binary for example you can: 1)Kill everyone 2)Save Everyone 3)Runaway and let the situation sort itself out. That aside, l don't really get killing Sakura on day 9 since she didn't do anything wrong and she even saved Shirou twice so he should at least try to save her in return but mind of steel Shirou didn't even try to help. Also, killing someone because something bad might happen in the future is flimsy because the future can always change and is too uncertain. But if we're gonna kill people for what they might do in the future then everybody is on the chopping block starting with mos Shirou especially if he becomes a counter guardian. The worst part about mos Shirou is that he doesn’t care about people at all. He just treats them like objects in need of saving one moment and will kill them if the situation calls for it at another moment. Just like Kiritsugu Mos Shirou is loyal only to his ideology alone but that's to be expected from a nutcase who never got therapy for his trauma. In fate extra, Shirou becomes an unaccountable law breaking vigilante/mercenary/terrorist who kills innocence along with the guilty for his own self-gratification of “becoming a hero” then justifies their deaths as meaningful sacrifices as if those people ever asked to be sacrificed and he doesn’t do anything to help those caught in the crossfire and left injured due to his escapades just like Kiritsugu. Sometimes, I think the reason Archer emiya wanted to stop being a counter guardian was that he realized that he would just keep killing and killing even the people he once saved would die at his hands eventually and no true change was actually occurring. Merely increasing body count doesn’t solve problems all the time since we also need people like doctors who can heal and build things instead of living a trail of destruction. On the other hand, heavens feel Shirou was too damn passive and didn’t look for a way to save Sakura until she went full berserk mode. However, I do think the real test begins when we have to choose to kill Sakura after she goes berserk but being passive like Hf Shirou instead of actively looking for a cure is not a good thing. Though I do think that for all his talk about becoming a hero Shirou is too passive and rarely does heroic things until the situation really calls for it. Anyway, I may agree with killing Sakura after the first real berserk stage, but l don't support it one bit since l view Sakura as innocent either way since she has been abused and is pretty much possessed thus not acting of her own accord so separating her from Angry Matthew would be the real solution. Then l would punish the people who made her suffer so they wouldn't do to others what they did to Sakura especially Zouken because of not dealt with he'll just find someone else and restart the cycle. Lastly, l think Sakura is a symptom of the real issue, which is the holy grail war, Tokiomi not giving her to a good family and madmen like Zouken and Shinji abusing her for who knows how long. If it weren't for these things Sakura would not be in this situation. Also, the same thing about being symptoms of deeper issues can apply to counter guardians and people like Kiritsugu otherwise situations like this will keep on repeating themselves endlessly. So even if Shirou kills Sakura he still needs to punish the people who wronged her in the first place then make sure a situation like this and the holy grail wars don't happen again. Again, sacrificing the few for the many just prolongs the inevitable if the real problems aren't dealt with. Plus, if not careful it creates more problems like the death of innocents, destruction of property and livelihoods, revenge-seeking from those who lost their loved ones, or the cops trying to arrest the one who sacrificed others lives. Also, it's ironic that those who preach about the needs of the many want to go about enforcing what they believe to be the needs of the many when it's actually their own personal individual beliefs of what they think the majority wants.
@gwonbusH It's my guess that most people watch the anime first, and it's obviously just a watered-down Fate route (with bits from UBW and a teeny bit from HF). Therefore they don't get the proper full impression nor impact of Fate. I in particular watched the anime AFTER reading the Fate & UBW routes and I didn't find anything about Fate that puts it noticeably below the other 2 routes, if below at all. (personally I think my least favorite is HF but it's so close it's within margin of error)
I don't understand the hate for Shirou. The number of times this guy sees a threat he should have NO chance at winning, then walks up, saying "Imma fuck this guy up real quick" and SUCCEEDING IN DOING SO PRACTICALLY SINGLEHANDEDLY is *staggering*.
Gil admits though he doesn't love her when he is slain by her. Granted it was more like a surprise that killed him but still. Also Enkidu asked, “Do you not regret the treasures you have spent?” to which he replied in a bright voice, “Why, if it’s someone I should use it on, then it’s not unthinkable to do him the favor.” Showing that Gilgamesh using his weapons on "Mongrels" is actually his way of actually honoring them in his own twisted way.
Before anyone dares to roast Sakura (my least favourite Fate heroine BTW) keep in mind, that she was THE ONLY ONE, that made Shiro give up his ideals (bar Miyu in Ilyaverse, but that's a different story altogether).
Fate was the.... baseline if you will. The prologue, the background which UBW and HF built on. Again, no h8 to the Fate story arc due to it having a good story but it in and of itself Fate is incomplete, at least IMHO. If I had to write a deep sentence it would perhaps be: A child learns that in order to gain his heart's desire, he must lose it. /shrug. I need to go re-read Fate >
@thethessaliah Indeed. Rin is a cute pair, but her way of doing things defiles everything a woman should do in a relationship. Saber is... Well, she is King Arthur, as you said. It is hard to take that seriously, even if they make a bautiful couple. Sakura is a more gentle and cute girl. She always loved him, but also desperately needed him, as tthe hero he always wanted to be, and as the man he turned himself into in HF route. Sakura made Shirou become his best altogether.
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"...I see. I thought you were abnormal before, but I'm sure now. Shirou. Your way of life is really distorted."
...She tries to open a lid I've kept closed for so long.
Ah, that scene was great
"I admired his desire to save people because it was beautiful!"
A child decides that though knowing the end lies in darkness, the path itself was not wrong - UBW
A child chooses to abandon everything that he ever cherished, and leaves behind everything he ever believed in order to protect something that, according to his own ideals, has no place in this world - HF
And people ask why this visual novel was epic.
Also Tohsaka's defenseless anus.
A child decides to reject an easy salvation and carry on through his path filled with thorns, knowing that anything else would be an insult to the memories he left long behind.
-Fate
I’m glad that the visual novel still attracts new readers to this day.
I’m proud to have been read this masterpiece of a story.
And it always be, considering the situation, heh.
I finished it a few days ago, I enjoyed every second of every route.
Yeah, the anime cut a lot of thing in VN,
Just finished it… So amazing.
I'm reading it right now, also it's my first entry to the VN world. Was surprised, I was expecting to be a little bored but because of the voice acting, osts, etc. I feel like i can read it all day
"To continue moving forward remembering the pain and the weight
Isn't that how lost things remain?"
Where was that stated?
@@whateverwhatever4476 fate route church basement
@@defnotaweeb2642 oh then yeah I remember I think it’s in the same standing when he says he can’t undo what happened
Insert "It's peak" gif.
"You still cling onto that day! The man who saved you, the joy on his face, you wanted that same happiness for yourself! These worthless ideals of yours aren't even your own!"
Emiya's words hurt Emiya.
JordanD1337 "See, this is his end. See, this is your end."
This VN is the exemplification of why you are your own worst enemy.
AkiratheWhite
Indeed.
well id like to time travel to kill my old-self to fix mistakes you know...
God damn Liam O'Brien was so fucking epic. Wish he had voiced ufo's UBW dub
"I was not wrong."
regardless of how I felt about his values, that was one of the most epic lines out of all 3 arcs.
One of my favorite quotes from anything, really.
his values were always on point tbh.
Although I can agree that it was a great line
my favorite lines from the VN were
"Can you keep up with me?"
"My dream isn't a mistake."
"Get lost, Sakura can't smile if you exist."
but my definite favorite has to be
"I'm home, Saber."
Hit me with a Notalsgia trip from reading the VN when it came out. Great lines.
@@yeetforreal5861 While naive and underdeveloped, they were in essence on point.
"---- This path, I don't believe it's the wrong one."
"---- I see. Then you..."
"I don't need the Holy Grail. I can't stray from the path for the people I've left behind"
Dat. This line made me like Shirou to no end.
Actually, everyone in the story liked Shirou better after this. Even Kotomine went lol after this part heh
Which route does this part come from? I can't remember, but wanna go back at it again.
Pretty sure it's Heaven's Feel
@@sutayabe Fate route, Day 15
@@ronaldobraga4242 i think he actually got bored of him after that (yeah 6 years later)
It just reminds me of when Shirou was despaired in the park when he was unable to help Sakura and how Illya was there to comfort him.... I really want to see that scene again.
"Yeah. I remember."
"Sakura, let's go see flowers."
I release my left arm.
My consciousness is about to fade away.
"Trace, on."
... My last projection.
I'll use the strongest sword I know to destroy the curse along with the great holy grail.
It'll definitely be the end.
That bad end is the most EPIC end
@@onemoregodrejected9369 Indeed- tbh I hope they go with the bad end for Spring Song
@@kaleb8694 yeah, but it's be my preference
Just imaging shirou imaging artoria and goes "ex... Caliber" not in a shout but in a calm cold robotic voice and releases it's destructive power to destroy the Grail is awesome
Rubber and Gum
By that point he already forgot Artoria and his mind is breaking down. He literally is also doing this for Sakura, it feels weird that he would be emotionless and thinking about Artoria while in great physical and mental pain for Sakura.
Growing up, I think I had a lot of Shirou's issues. I do get where he's coming from. If everyone acted in service to others, the world would be a kinder place. If all life is precious, surely one life given to save another is a noble thing. The more that you can save with that one sacrifice, the better. What is my one life weighed against the lives of two others? There was a point where I would have been very willing to take a bullet for someone else.
Now, as I enter my 28th year, I'm not so sure. In 12 years, I've come to realize that my one life isn't isolated. What happens to me affects those around me who care, and that there are people who would grieve that I'd never expect. Sacrificing my potential for brining pain or joy to those around me to save someone else's potential to do the same...is that even something I can weigh? Is it something I can measure? In a way, Rin is also right. Living purely for others isn't natural. It's twisted. But I can't decide if either of them are wrong. Maybe one day I'll have my answer.
That’s pretty fascinating
What Rin means is not that living for others is twisted; rather, not living for yourself is twisted. What's the difference? The difference is that it is okay to live for others, but you should also think of yourself. Simply put: "You can't save anyone if you're dead."
It is okay to save others, but part of the reason for wanting to save them has to come from within yourself. It doesn't have to be some kind of ulterior motive; it could be something as simple as personal satisfaction, achievement, happiness, or joy. But if your entire reason for saving people is because of the ideal of saving everyone or simply because there are people who need saving, then when you realize how many you cannot save, you'll just end up an empty shell.
In other words, save others while also saving yourself, so that you can continue saving others.
@@pranava5683 Ikr, I find this guy very interesting. Never thought I'll meet a real life variation of Shirou's ideology
@@whateverwhatever4476 Please stop with the inconsiderate comments. He posted on here hoping that someone would understand him and help him. Saying he's "interesting" or "fascinating" without comprehending the depth of his anxiety and anguish is not only unhelpful, it is damaging.
@@lunais1433 your taking this way to personally I just stated I found it intending. I never said anything insulting. I just find the way he views life interesting I've personally don't see it that way so I'm curious how one could see things in such a manner. I never said anything damaging by making that statement
This song and the picture of Shirou hugging Sakura in the rain perfectly sum up Heaven's Feel
yep
Accurate, so accurate it hurts
No
Umm..what about all the ppl that Sakura butchered?? 🙋
@@anantc88 I wouldn't worry too much they live rent free in your head
"Let's go home, Sakura. Cut your ties with him."
Watching Shiro break was one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever read through. Watching him realize how his ideals are illusions and that he'd have to choose between the fragmented road his father walked or a path that went against everything he believed but would protect the one he loved... ug.
When he finally made the choice to protect Sakura against all odds, I cheered.
R.I.P Heaven's Feel Normal Ending Shirou Emiya.
You truly were the bone of your sword.
PlayStation NintenDude And steel became his body
@@hopelessviolin4690 OOF
Your comment is genius
@@jaydenlobbe7911 You don't have to tell me twice
Yeah
"But he earns a small answer.
The answer is only for this summoning. It is a meaningless thing that he will forget the next time he is summoned.
But there is nothing to regret.
It is something that has already been built up, something that the boy will build using all his life.
There is only one thing coming and going through his mind.
There is regret.
He does not know how many times he wished to redo things.
Heroic spirit Emiya will forever curse this end.
But still-- I was not wrong -------
There is nothing to talk about
The boy will remain, and he will leave
The only things that remain are the exchanged blows.
The path is long.
Relying on the sounds of the swords echoing far away, the boy heads for the deserted plains.
FIN"
And that is why I prefer Brilliant Years over Sunny Days
I am the bone of my sword. But i already knew that
4 words:
Read the visual novel.
Where can I download it?
@@thespanishinquisiton9589 docs.google.com/document/d/1mhIIf9ZPZ8YABVb88Wop1qXylLFmWJZjdfr1A2VUmEs/edit?usp=drivesdk
but
people die when they are killed. animes are viewed when they're watched.
Lolz
2 words: Lol no.
I think what I like best about Heaven's Feel is that Shirou realizes the importance of his own life.
In Fate, he continually puts himself in harm's way to live out his ideal.
In UBW, while he is confronted with how twisted his worldview is, he chooses to pursue his ideal because of the beauty he sees in it, regardless of the consequences to himself.
However, in Heaven's Feel, Shirou realizes that by sacrificing himself, he is hurting everyone around him. By choosing to protect Sakura, the person he loves, who gave everyday life meaning, over his ideals, he begins to pursue his own selfish happiness. As a result, he realizes that if he dies, he will be depriving Sakura of the man she loves, the person who inspired her to keep going instead of giving up, one few people she has felt a sense of safety with. His death will deprive Taiga of her little brother.
In the end, as he stands before the Grail, about to sacrifice his life, he hesitates. Shirou recovers that fear of death that he was so disconnected from in the two other routes. In my opinion, Shirou realizing the intrinsic value in his own life, rather than the value of living a certain lifestyle, is what makes Heaven's Feel so excellent.
P.S. Loved the two other routes as well :)
That, and how Shirou realizes that the ideal of saving people does not necessarily require saving everyone. If one can save just one person, if one can be a hero to just one person, then one's life can have just as much meaning as someone who has saved everyone.
Curiously, he adopts a worldview akin to Shiki Tohno. Shiki is terrified of dying because he wants to enjoy what little time he has left in the world. In Arcueid's route, Shiki falls for Arcueid, and he vows to be there for her, even if the world turns against the two.
@@jouheikisaragi6075 I love Shirou, maybe my favourite mc alongside legends like guts, but man, Shiki tohno is SO underrated
@@NuwandaLunaDragon I think shiki tohno is for hard core type moon fans cause tsukihime doesn't have anime adaptation (and don't search for it ) unlike fate specially if it's every where like JoJo you know but yeah tsukihime is the first to make the name of type moon become successful and Iam waiting for it's remake to be on pc and of course to make fate have a remake because you can't get bored of any of them.
@@youssifmedhat9148The remake can be played on PC using Yuzu emulator
damn nostalgia. I read FSN when I was still in HS. I literally didn't go to school for a week just to read this novel after finishing tsukihime; definitely one of the most enjoyable moments of my teenage years, reading typemoon works. how i wish i can forget about this story and reread it again.
me too... this fucking nostalgia u,u
Haha, I was already out of school when I read the VN. I read it at work :)
Miss Elly
smarter then me lol - I was "cough" sick for about a week - really killed that paycheque, but was worth it :)
***** My brother introduced me to it; I really enjoyed it. I played the original version with the hentai scenes but I heard they made a PG rated version for all ages recently.
Miss Elly That's correct, it's called Realta Nua - it may just be nostalgia talking, but I prefer the original when compared to it. (not due to the hscenes - more due to changes made to the context of Heavens Feel's story, and the re-imagined music).
A forum known as Beast's Lair should still have a combined patch that incorporates the original english translation for use in the PC release of Realta Nua, along with translations of any new scenes - if you are curious about the newer version.
It adds some interesting tidbits here and there; along with a more satisifying epilogue to the Fate route - but overall, if you enjoyed the original then you have already seen the best it has to offer. :)
Now that you mention it, HF route takes a lot of stereotypes regarding heroes, villains, and female leads, and turns them on their heads. The love-interest is a legit danger to the world, the hero gives up everything he's ever known to protect said danger, and the only way the villain opposes him is that he wants to keep the pieces as they are set (i.e., Angra Manyu gets freed through Sakura, and wrecks shit).
Yet the female leads are not these stereotypical female-in-a-man's-body kind of character, they're actually believable and realistic females.
@@theforgot3n1 Can I ask you what do you mean by female in a man's body character? Just curious
@@miguelmonteiro3963 Many female characters, especially in fiction but also in movies, are basically male characters put in a female body. You'll have this super petite girl fighting off twenty jacked-up security guards while having this unfazed, stoic face and a ruthless mindset.
No girls in real life are like that. Yes, beating up twenty dudes is unrealistic regardless of gender, but the smaller body of the girl exacerbates how ridiculous it is. More importantly though is how real girls, whether today, 1000 years ago or 2000, are almost never this stoic, ruthless, emotionless character. It's not particularly common for men either, but it's virtually impossible to find a girl in real life who is like that, especially a young girl.
@@theforgot3n1 so basically "girls are girly" is your point?
@@theforgot3n1 that's just fictional, and there's nothing bad about those types of characters as well. That's just how it is.
This BGM remind me the end of the Fate Route. Whil Shirou and Saber climb the stairs heading to the final fight. When Shirou reminders everything what happen during the last 2 weeks. Everything about Saber, all the difficulties he came through. His feeling for Saber to not disappear, but he restrained himself because that would betray Saber. That BGM fit so perfectly this moment and it's the first scene I remember when I hear this BGM.
Background Music.
This is the track that makes me wanna play the VN again
「何か」を得たい時、「何か」を差し出さなくてはいけない――
代償は必ず、得たい物より大きくなければならない――
罪人を守りたいなら―
己の身一つで守りたいのなら―
「正義の味方」
己の根底を捻じ曲げて―
今まで信じた"モノ"を越えて―
それでも"何か"を守りたいのなら―
受けねばならない――
「死をも厭わない」
そんな覚悟が塵も残らぬ試練を――
越えねばならない――
「この身は誰かのためにある」
その覚悟を―
願いにも似たその覚悟を――
Just finished Heaven's Feel true ending today, and I wanna read it all over again. Sakura's despair and Shirou's shattered dreams were just so touching.
"I will run past the wind to defeat myself"
"right down mid" - Shirou fucking 1
Regardless of which ship your on, this scene and the one before it were(shirou's ideal and ilya at the park) simple amazing.
So like who do you ship?
sakura🤔
Tobi Shirou and Sakura.
ShirouxSakura ftw
I prefer ShirouXIssei
Heavens Feel Normal end legit made me cry bro
HF第二章を見てからこれを聴くと涙が止まらない。桜はこのひと時でも士郎といれて幸せだっただろうな。
遅れながら第三章「spring song」を鑑賞しました。最後は涙が出てきました。本当にFateを好きで良かった！！
3章も良かったが2章のレインもいいぜ👍
Shirou acted in a very human way. Despite all evidence that they are beyond help, despite who else might be hurt or whomever else we risk in the doing we want to believe in the people who we love. Shirou gave up everything not just to defend Sakura from others but to save her from herself; her guilt and the burdens she accepted due to her position and her family. The difference between risking one stranger and risking the world entire is simply a matter of degree. The choice is the same.
It's not a question about whether you are right or wrong.
It's a matter about doing what you believe in the most.
This really fits Emiya well.
When you think about it, Emiya pretty much lost everything. His family, his childhood friends, his neighbours.
He was a no one. Saved by Kiritsugi.
Living slowly like a human after realising that everything in your childhood is gone.
Falling in love with your girlfriend.
The core of HF is basically in simple terms,
Are you willing to kill the person you love, the person that made you feel happy again for the sake of the greater good, for the sake of 'living'? Or are you willing to let the world die for a single person?
Are you willing to let the same tragedy happen again to others? Or are you willing to fall in love?
It's the same thing Kiritsugi had suffered in Fate/Zero.
Are you willing to be the thing that you hated the most?
For someone you love?
Honestly. Shirou Emiya is not a man who does the right thing, Shirou Emiya is a man who does what he thinks is the right thing.
When this song plays it is prob the most beautiful piece in storytelling I have ever seen when Saber and Shirou are standing at the base of the temple stairs about to head into a seemingly unwinnable battle, facing near certain death but still filled with resolve.
Ive just finished Fate/ Stay Night and Heavens Feel was my favorite route Shirou deciding to protect Sakura over everything else and hugging her in the rain and accepting her for who she is was beautiful and truly heart wrenching at the same time for everything she went through my two favorite characters followed by Kirei. I love this VN and the love between Shirou and Sakura felt the most real to me, this music never fails to make me emotional. Thank You Nasu lol
Following the path of a hero is difficult, but there are people in this world trying to do so...
This world can change into a better one...
An inevitable death by skewering.
I am the bone of my sword/My whole body is made of swords.
But I already knew that
The wound was so bad he could reach in and feel the bone, but he did not care.
What I love most about this track is the way it sums up the overall feeling of the Heavens Feel route... The sword pierced defender who leaves behind his own idenity to defend the evil he loves. The backwards priest who dedicates his life and death to bringing an innocent, yet totally corupted child into this world. The manmade child giving what little remains of the tiny gift of her life to preserve a family which was never really hers... damnit im crying again.
I can't really tell which is my favorite route, Fate has my favorite romance, UBW has my favorite Shirou, Heaven's Feel has my favorite storyline, maybe because I love Illya so much I end up preferring Heaven's Feel, but it still sounds so wrong to try prefer one of them, when everyone has something that the other does not have.
Wakaru
UBW is the best.
Heaven's Feel is my favorite. It features the most servants in relevance, has all the masters (except kuzuki rip) being relevant to the plot and it explores the thematic of morals and good and evil the most which is IMO the main theme of the novel.
UBW would be a strong contender if it wasn't for the fact I think Shirou vs Archer was so good the rest of the route felt pointless to me. And I feel Fate could be possibly my favorite route if Nasu did a (very heavy) rewrite of it.
UBW all the way for me, just something about Shirou's core character being explored in depth, and the personification of his inner conflict as Shirou vs. Archer. Of course Heaven's Feel is a masterpiece, and if I'm being real (probably) the best objective route, I just like UBW a little more.
Fate route... Honestly it get's bashed a little too much imo. Sure it's not nearly as interesting as the 2 G.O.A.T routes, if I'm being honest it's a bit of a slog to get through the first 3/4 of it. However it sharply picks up towards the end, and the ending still managed to hit me in the feels just as hard as the end of the other 2 routes.
In my opinion it suffers from the being the first route, as it's tasked establishing characters, plot, setting, world building etc, it has to lay the foundation for the rest of the VN. So not as much room for the more interesting and dynamic plots like that of UBW, HF. In Tsukihime, Arcuied's route has a similar problem, it's quite boring, compared to everything else the VN has to offer, but should still be read first as it establishes all the important things the reader should know before heading into the later routes.
HF normal>true in terms of resolving shirou's and sakura's storyline.
illya had the unfortunate fate of having her route crammed into hf, and missing kirei would be sorely felt
-The unwavering gaze.
Faults and lies,
shaking off everything,
running without stopping
Favorite lines in the VN
Emiya's words hurt Emiya.
This bgm is really emotional and special and it reminds me of saber from fate route
This route deserves as much praise that other 2 gets
世界観に合いすぎてヤバい(語彙力死亡)
Watched the Heaven's Feel movie part 1 last night; HAD to listen to this again! :)
My favorite is Heaven's Feel, perhaps because it's just so dramatic. The internal fight in Shirou when he realizes his ideals are impossible and he can't protect everything is heart shattering. When he realizes he can't sacrifice someone he cares so much about to protect people he's never met he realizes the true meaning of Kiritsugu's words. Then you look back at UBW again and realize that Shirou is heading toward the path of destruction Archer did himself.
8 years late but you're completely wrong.
In 3 of the routes Shirou is never going to path of destruction like Archer.
In Fate Shirou has a motive to meet with Saber again
In UBW Rin is with Shirou to drill into his stupid head that he just needs to save people in front of him and not go over the top
Shirou is very twisted character and you can even call him the embodiment of every hypocrisies of any superheroes. he is very different to a normal human being. Many normal humans also have this very optimistic dream. Normal humans have this dream but they have their own sense of justice. But shirou is very different. he has a ideal but he didn' have any sense of good or evil or any form of justice. he only try to save others for satisfying his need of pleasure or the feeling of alive. he didn' even know the true reason of his dream. He also said this in Unlimited Blade Works route.
[I swore so as a child.
To fulfill the dream of the man I admired most.
…But to be honest, I'm still wondering…
If my idea is the right one.
Where my idea comes from.
What I can do even despite me being just an amateur.
How to make the dream of making everybody happy, which Kiritsugu always talked about, come true.]
his every ideal is copied. he copied everything from Kiritsugu. Even his morality is also copied from his father. he mindlessly follow it and trying to save others without thinking because he just want to feel that smile again which is present in Kiritsugu's face. he even also want a enemy or some 'true evil' to defeat as a superhero to feel that feeling of pleasure. kirei also point out which shirou wanted to prove wrong.
[Rejoice, boy. Your wish will finally come true."
The priest says, as if declaring an oracle.
Those words are...
Aren't those the true feelings I haven't yet realized
"What are you saying all of a sudden?"
"You should know. Your wish will not come true unless there is a clear evil. Even if it is not something you approve of, a superhero requires a villain to defeat."
"!"
I feel like everything has turned black.
The priest said it.
The greatest wish and the ugliest wish I have are the same.
…Yes, the desire to protect something…
…Is, at the same time, none other than the wish for something to violate it
" Y-You"
But there's no way I'd wish for something like that.
I don't remember a moment when I've wished for that.
Such an insecure wish…
…Just means the target ideals are inconsistent.
But the priest says as if to pierce my heart, "Good thing you have an enemy now."
"No, you do not have to gloss over it. Your worries are normal for a human being."
The priest smiles.
"!"
I shake off the priest's words and walk to the door.
]
He later also said that he think he did actually want a enemy in fate route. that's why he actually want to change saber as a more "human" for her sake but never understand his own hypocrisy. that is the reason why fate route is route which explains Shirou ideals very well. Shirou forces his copied morality and fake love of human towards everyone without understanding their problems. he has very limited emotion and he can't understand the emotion of others. But he also never understand that he also has his own "true self" of his own but he never understand his true self in fate route. We also understand that his love toward human is not fake but it is the characteristics of his true self. it is also said by Kirei in heaven's feel route
[I see. So that means you will not follow Kiritsugu's path."
He talks as if he's disinterested.
The priest regards me with a bored expression, as if disappointed.
"Father's path…?"
"That's right. Your father loved humans.
Higher, wider, farther. He loved humans as they go over their limits without end. That is why he turned himself into the definite evil.
That man would have killed Matou Sakura. He threw away his human emotions for the sake of justice."
"…Is that any different from you?
Casting away one person's happiness for the sake of justice, for many people's happiness."
"No. What you people call happiness did not bring me joy."
"Huh…?"
That's not a reply.
No, more than that…
He's not even looking at me.
"Right, we were different.
He threw away what he had, but I had nothing to throw away.
The result was the same, but the process was completely different.
His existence was too unpleasant. His agony was truly unpleasant.
If he went to such lengths to cast it away, he should never have had it in the first place. But still he agonized over his decision, trying to pick it back up after he threw it away. As if saying that is the correct way for humans to live."
"The difference was crucial. Yes. If I cannot obtain anything, why was I born into this world?"
The priest' words are not directed at anyone.
...But they contain anger.
They contain emotion, which i thought this man didn't have.
"…Hah. Come to think of it, there is no way you can succeed Kiritsugu. He did what was necessary by throwing things away, but you insist on having it both ways.
We are similar, you and I.
You died once and broke down when you were resurrected. It is posteriori, but you are like me, a defect from birth."
"What…? What part of me is broken?"
"You just do not realize it.
You have no concept of self. So I did not think you would concern yourself with a single person. No, rather
You are not concerned about many,
but concerned about all as if they were only one."]
In ubw he started to saw the hypocrisy of his own ideals with help of Archer and Rin and his experiences in ubw route. he understand that his ideal is always false. he has not any sense of justice and even his self. he also understand the inconsistencies of ideal of not just his own but also the ideals of others heroes. others heroes only force their ideals on the basis of their own ideals. He understand that he can't save everyone by forcing his ideal on someone. his way of saving only destroy anyone for others and only lead despair. But this is the route where he understands the true meaning of his ideal and his true self. he actually loved humans but very differently to his father. he loved the human emotions, love, compassion, shared human nature and values. He thinks that good and bad are situational. There are right and wrongs and those who didn't fear to this always lead a destruction. he want to become superhero to spread this shared nature and love of human toward each other into everywhere to form a ideal "human society" where everyone understand other's feelings and also think about the gain and loss of others as well as themselves without any prejudice and also create justice in this world. Shirou want to create a world filled with 'Swords'. swords represent Shirou's selflessness and his live for others. he want to create a ordered world where people also punishes those are bad or wrong in that situation. To destroy discimination, he want to first create a selfless world by eradicating prejudice and spreading the human nature. But it is still impossible to satisfy everyone. it still lead nowhere but it is able to create a better world. Because he knows that he is existed in this world because of others. His power is also the collective powers of everyone. He knows that with the help of everyone, he can create this utopia. that's why he said
[“I have created a thousand blades .
Unaware of loss
Nor aware of gain”]
[“This is Emiya Shirou's world.
A Reality Marble.
It is the greatest forbidden magic that embodies the caster's internal world.
This is heroic spirit Emiya's Noble Phantasm and the only weapon I possess.
Everything is here, and nothing is here.
That is why this is called Unlimited Blade Works.
This is the only definite answer obtained by the one who lived as a sword all his life.”]
It is the true nature of Shirou.
@@toru8941 in ubw, shirou make his own path of success. Rin is there to help him. ubw shirou understand himself more than any shirou. That's why i am disagree with your point.
@@kingamar9341 I think that depends on how you view that actually and im not going to disagree on that. But one thing im sure is Shirou does not become Archer(Counter Guardian) in 3 of these routes.
This, Emiya and Ever Present Feeling are the tracks that I associate most strongly with this VN, and each with a specific route. Though each is used in every route, a different one is used in each of the routes' pivotal moments where Shirou resolves his inner conflict and the story enters the end-game.
This Illusion beneath the church in Fate, where he's forced to confront the children that weren't saved.
Emiya in Unlimited Blade Works where he's forced to confront his likely future if he continues on his current path.
Ever Present Feeling in Heaven's Feel, in the ditch while considering whether to remove the Shroud of Martin.
This has GOT to be one of the best mood-enhancing background music ever. It enhances the emotional impact of a scene 10 folds, even when it was just Archer talking to Shirou.
Finished FSN today, it was worth it all to get to Heaven's Feel's true ending
Heaven's Feel = best route. Can't wait for the movies :)
SMUPony Nah, UBW is best route.
Fate indeeeeeed!!!
Amen.
hf best route
I cried on this scene too...the feels man...the fricking feels...
"I was not wrong." Although Emiya Shirou will endlessly selfishly pursue selflessness, at the end of his eternal path, he will know that even for all the wrongs he has committed, the amount of hypocrisy he has done, the hells he has left behind, his path of selfish selflessness to be a Savior, a Hero of Justice, to save everyone was truly, utterly, breathtakingly, blindingly, and rawly beautiful. Emiya Shirou was never truly a hero, even for all his heroic deeds, he was an ordinary man with an inhuman determination. He never once retreated, even if he never truly won a "victory." That ordinary man tried again and again, even if each time in his path to reach extraordinary heights, he failed. The only thing he won at the end of his road, was the knowledge that he never betrayed his ideals, even if they betrayed him again and again. At the end of his life he saw on a hill of hell, skewered by an innumerate amount of swords, his Reality Marble, Unlimited Blade Works. And so wishing to save more people one last time, he summoned what was left of his life, to chant his aria, that sad poem of his existence, "I am the bone of my sword..."
Steel is my body and fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades
Unknown to Death
Nor known to Life
Have withstood pain to create many weapons
Yet those hands will never hold anything
So as I pray,
Unlimited Blade Works
In Sakura's defense, she had gone through a LOT of shit by that point. If you went through all that, I think you'd have some social issues as well.
I do agree that UBW was better on most things, but HF had two things I'm sort of a sucker for: 1) a man doing everything in his power for the one he loves, and 2) a villain as kick-ass as Kotomine Kirei.
To all of those who are saying things along the line of how Fate Route is meh:
This is wrong. Fate Route is an amazing story. It is only lacking in comparison to UBW and HF.
And 8 years later it has still not been done justice in anime.
gwonbusH
In my opinion, fate route is actually the most beautiful one and my favorite, even though I also love the other routes
But Shirou was an idiot in the Fate route
@@ken-yo2hz meh, only for the first half
@@ken-yo2hz He was an "idiot" only because in the original version of the VN, you had to read Fate first (then UBW, then HF, in that order).
It was a character arc that spanned across all three scenarios. In the first, Shirou fully embraces his ideals despite the sacrifice, in UBW he learns of the dark end and result of his own flawed logic, and in HF he abandons all of his ideals, everything that defined him as a person, to save the one he loves. He gave up on being the superhero.
"But even without human intelligence...
There are machines that weave many dreams in this world."
reminds me of heavens feel😿😿😿
"this path, I don't belive is the wrong one"
"I can't stray from my path for those people I've left behind"
Still one of my favorite quotes ever
I was not wrong.
This quote though.
The years are as long as a blink of an eye.
I close my eyes and open them.
The hill is covered with cherry blossoms.
The boy, appearing just like he was before, is waving his hand on the familiar hill road---
I decided to sing to this piano OST since no one has done it before~ would be amazing if you could listen to it! This song brings back so many VN memories :'(
You made a video about it? Weird, I don’t see it in your channel.
Yan CGC It‘s private by now she doesn‘t seem too fond of it
The moment shirou abandons his dream to save Sakura instead......
yeah
Nah, his dream was to save the world, then he went and made Sakura his world instead, his dream wasn't abandoned, only focused.
@@DugFin2 His dream is undefined to be honest. He merely wanted to be like Kiritsugu because he wanted to experience the same feeling Kiritsugu did when he saved SHirou (the feeling of being able to rescue someone). He of course didn't understand the more complex emotions Kiritsugu felt that moment. If anything the one who gets closer to understanding the true darkness Kiritsugu faced is Heaven Feel's Shirou, and we all know what he ended up choosing.
@@LeonGun8 i think both of you are correct.
@@DugFin2 I get what you're trying to say but no, he wanted to be a hero of justice but gives up on that dream in order to protect and save Sakura. Normally he wouldn't have allowed Sakura/anyone to commit all the murders that Sakura did (Sakura even states that Shirou is betraying himself for her sake and hates herself for doing that to shirou). That's why this moment was crucial in the Heavens Feel story, Shirou decides that he will protect Sakura and deal with all the bad things she has done/will do, even at the cost of giving up his ideals. This point in the story (scene shown in the video) is when his path and Archers path diverge, shirou will never become Archer in the Heavens Feel storyline and as Archer said " if you choose this path, there will be no future for Shirou Emiya".
Shirou didn't want to save the world, that was Kiritsugu, Shirou wanted to be a Hero that saved people and to keep people from seeing the horrors that he saw during the 4th grail war. They are similar goals but Kiritsugu chose to use "any means necessary " methods, whereas Shirou would rather sacrifice himself in order to get the best results.
6章後半で最終決戦前夜辺りで流れたら最高だなって思って秘かに待ってる
2部の最後で欲しいなと思うわい
Love Sakura!
Dat legendary moment.
Me too. Sad that she has most of the hate of the people.
true😔
I read the VN 5 months ago and listening this I'm really close to start it all over again!
"Watashi shoujo jaa nai desu yo"
Proceeds to go straight to home.
Nope; I was not, am not, and will not hate on either HF or Sakura. While my favorite route was UBW (because EMIYA is a beast and the plot resonates with my own life) I think Sakura was the best defined of all of the love interests. And yes, emiya did get some amazing character development. The comment was not to h8 on Sakura but to summarize emiya's (a child) decisions within the story arcs.
GAR
But...
Rin is just the perfect heroine...
To be fair, I think HF has more character development for Rin than Sakura
@@hornitako7006 To be fair in UBW saber has more development than rin and in HF rin has more development than sakura and sakura has more development in HA.
This scene, where he finds her in the rain... ug. Just listening to this chokes me up.
耳に残るなぁ〜♪
ですよね〜
2019 old memories old times playing the novel old moments of happiness without knowing anything about responsibilities all that comes to my mind when I hear this so old :´(
When this was the most dramatic thing in our lives that was going on.
I somehow just began to hope that there will be an Aimer arrangement to this version that will be played either when Shirou is going to take the shroud off or just during the Excalibur projection sequence in Heaven's Feel III. Spring Song.
2020- this music still gives me the goosebumps. Nostalgic, tragic and beautiful. ❤️
One of, if not, the best VN I've ever experienced! I'm glad I got to experience this in my lifetime. That feel!
It's been idk how many years since I first played/read fate/stay night and it's still one of my favorite stories ever as well as my first visual novel. And this song in particular defines the story so much, its emblematic, maybe even more than the original version which is the true main song of the game.
In the Fate route Shirou sees in Saber the personification of his ideals. She is the living embodiment of his desire to be a hero and he sets out to become her following the events of Fate. I see Fate as the really good prologue to an amazing story, either one of reaffirmation of the desired path as the most important (UBW) or in abandoning that path for something more important. (HF). BTW Saber remains my 2nd favorite character, second only to Heroic Spirit Emiya:)
I agree. HF route is totally my fav route compared to others.
Just got back from watching Fate/Stay Night Heaven’s Feel II: Lost Butterfly over at L.A. Live. It was awesome and I want to see this visual novel picture since the movie version of that made me have somber, romantic, and epic feels.
@HiguraShiki My favorite was HF (just barely edges out UBW), but I feel the same way that you do. I also enjoy how much more we learn about the Grail War, and the roles the non-servant characters get to play.
I do love it when all the heroes get a big role, though, which is why I'm so in love with Fate/Zero :3 I'm glad it got a great anime.
Best scene in the game. Hope the movies pull it off.
Whose dream was that, and who inherited that dream?
Damn marbles!
@@arowmorth Life’s a big bag of marbles
In both of those choices, either of affirmation or abandonment, the path being chosen or rejected needs to be described, which is the point of the Fate story arc. Basically Shiou says: To be Saber, or not to be her, that is the question. ^.^ I find it very ironic, well maybe intentional that Saber mirrors Shiou's choices in UBW and HF. Where Shirou chooses his ideal, so does Saber. When he turns to darkness, so does Saber. Huh, I need to think on that some more.
月姫感があってすこ
Gil actually likes Saber. It's just that he doesn't know how to express his feelings properly because he never experienced it during his lifetime (the closest was how he felt for Enkidu but it was in a brotherly/bestfriend way) and being someone who has owned everything he wants resulted in his arrogant treatment of Saber (but he never actually tried to kill her. In fact, he seemed happy when Saber defeated him at the end of Fate, saying that some beautiful things are meant to be out of reach)
There are more than two choices. Life is not binary for example you can:
1)Kill everyone
2)Save Everyone
3)Runaway and let the situation sort itself out.
That aside, l don't really get killing Sakura on day 9 since she didn't do anything wrong and she even saved Shirou twice so he should at least try to save her in return but mind of steel Shirou didn't even try to help. Also, killing someone because something bad might happen in the future is flimsy because the future can always change and is too uncertain. But if we're gonna kill people for what they might do in the future then everybody is on the chopping block starting with mos Shirou especially if he becomes a counter guardian. The worst part about mos Shirou is that he doesn’t care about people at all. He just treats them like objects in need of saving one moment and will kill them if the situation calls for it at another moment. Just like Kiritsugu Mos Shirou is loyal only to his ideology alone but that's to be expected from a nutcase who never got therapy for his trauma. In fate extra, Shirou becomes an unaccountable law breaking vigilante/mercenary/terrorist who kills innocence along with the guilty for his own self-gratification of “becoming a hero” then justifies their deaths as meaningful sacrifices as if those people ever asked to be sacrificed and he doesn’t do anything to help those caught in the crossfire and left injured due to his escapades just like Kiritsugu. Sometimes, I think the reason Archer emiya wanted to stop being a counter guardian was that he realized that he would just keep killing and killing even the people he once saved would die at his hands eventually and no true change was actually occurring. Merely increasing body count doesn’t solve problems all the time since we also need people like doctors who can heal and build things instead of living a trail of destruction. On the other hand, heavens feel Shirou was too damn passive and didn’t look for a way to save Sakura until she went full berserk mode. However, I do think the real test begins when we have to choose to kill Sakura after she goes berserk but being passive like Hf Shirou instead of actively looking for a cure is not a good thing. Though I do think that for all his talk about becoming a hero Shirou is too passive and rarely does heroic things until the situation really calls for it. Anyway, I may agree with killing Sakura after the first real berserk stage, but l don't support it one bit since l view Sakura as innocent either way since she has been abused and is pretty much possessed thus not acting of her own accord so separating her from Angry Matthew would be the real solution. Then l would punish the people who made her suffer so they wouldn't do to others what they did to Sakura especially Zouken because of not dealt with he'll just find someone else and restart the cycle. Lastly, l think Sakura is a symptom of the real issue, which is the holy grail war, Tokiomi not giving her to a good family and madmen like Zouken and Shinji abusing her for who knows how long. If it weren't for these things Sakura would not be in this situation. Also, the same thing about being symptoms of deeper issues can apply to counter guardians and people like Kiritsugu otherwise situations like this will keep on repeating themselves endlessly. So even if Shirou kills Sakura he still needs to punish the people who wronged her in the first place then make sure a situation like this and the holy grail wars don't happen again. Again, sacrificing the few for the many just prolongs the inevitable if the real problems aren't dealt with. Plus, if not careful it creates more problems like the death of innocents, destruction of property and livelihoods, revenge-seeking from those who lost their loved ones, or the cops trying to arrest the one who sacrificed others lives. Also, it's ironic that those who preach about the needs of the many want to go about enforcing what they believe to be the needs of the many when it's actually their own personal individual beliefs of what they think the majority wants.
Exactly! I agree about MoS Shirou.
I do believe that Extraverse Archer Emiya Ideals, situation and its context is more complicated tho, as the world itself also different there.
Just cry 😭
Based Ufotable delivered
Heaven's Feel was too depressing...
It was so good to wash that sadness away with Hallow Ataraxia :D
This scene sealed the deal on HF for me, My favorite route.
Incredible track
@gwonbusH It's my guess that most people watch the anime first, and it's obviously just a watered-down Fate route (with bits from UBW and a teeny bit from HF). Therefore they don't get the proper full impression nor impact of Fate.
I in particular watched the anime AFTER reading the Fate & UBW routes and I didn't find anything about Fate that puts it noticeably below the other 2 routes, if below at all.
(personally I think my least favorite is HF but it's so close it's within margin of error)
Oh, thanks! I'll definetly read it when summer comes.
I don't understand the hate for Shirou. The number of times this guy sees a threat he should have NO chance at winning, then walks up, saying "Imma fuck this guy up real quick" and SUCCEEDING IN DOING SO PRACTICALLY SINGLEHANDEDLY is *staggering*.
Kashlikaro I completely agree that he gets too much hate, but what you said is kind of one of the reasons.
この曲いイネ二人幸せになって欲しいたった一つの願い曲🎋🌌‼️
best ost in fsn
大体感動シーンはこのbgmが流れてるから印象に残ってる
Yup I've seen it.It's the scene where Shirou uses Nine Lives Blade Works
Can't wait to see this animated.
Its been animated for like, 14 months now. Whereve you been
Gil admits though he doesn't love her when he is slain by her. Granted it was more like a surprise that killed him but still.
Also
Enkidu asked, “Do you not regret the treasures you have spent?” to which he replied in a bright voice, “Why, if it’s someone I should use it on, then it’s not unthinkable to do him the favor.”
Showing that Gilgamesh using his weapons on "Mongrels" is actually his way of actually honoring them in his own twisted way.
Before anyone dares to roast Sakura (my least favourite Fate heroine BTW) keep in mind, that she was THE ONLY ONE, that made Shiro give up his ideals (bar Miyu in Ilyaverse, but that's a different story altogether).
And he dies for it in the normal end- he lives in both normal and true ends of fate and ubw
Is that meant to be a good thing?
@@r.k845 yes
@@r.k845 It's neither good nor bad, but it helps him become more of a normal person. At least none of the Shirous turned out like Kiritsugu.
@@FieryMeltman no fuck humanity. Return to monke.
true words my friend
Fate was the.... baseline if you will. The prologue, the background which UBW and HF built on. Again, no h8 to the Fate story arc due to it having a good story but it in and of itself Fate is incomplete, at least IMHO. If I had to write a deep sentence it would perhaps be: A child learns that in order to gain his heart's desire, he must lose it. /shrug. I need to go re-read Fate >
KOTOMINE KIREI!!!!!
WHO DID YOU DO MANA TRANSFER WITH!
@thethessaliah
Indeed. Rin is a cute pair, but her way of doing things defiles everything a woman should do in a relationship.
Saber is... Well, she is King Arthur, as you said. It is hard to take that seriously, even if they make a bautiful couple.
Sakura is a more gentle and cute girl. She always loved him, but also desperately needed him, as tthe hero he always wanted to be, and as the man he turned himself into in HF route. Sakura made Shirou become his best altogether.
Bruh Rin's way of doing things is the ideal. She is incredibly feminine, supportive and challenging. It's the perfect combo for a stable relationship.
My top 5 VN of all time!
Google for "rnpatch" - it'll be the first result.
Just make sure you download the patch for the original PC CD/DVD version of Fate/stay night.