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This channel and Apogee Instruments Doctor Bruce Bugbee.. explains and removes all the arguments too with all the proof and solid education on the topic of LED and growing.
Just got my spot-on! Very impressed with how well it works and how well it's built and the really cool multi-stand that can do several different things. Best of all it confirms how awesome my Aray 12 Pro is!!!
I've been seriously considering getting myself one of these for the reviews, nice to see something a bit more affordable on the market. Thanks for the great content as always 🙏✌
Innovations, and cheaper tools for the win. Have to shout out to and support you & Doctor Bruce Bugbee for making these PAR meters a common growers market tool now.
Saw you with Chris ,Pidgeon and Robb and it was outstanding .The question was asked which LED you would recommend. My answer is any light that you make and any equipment you recommend . My sights are set on a Array 3. No need to look elsewhere when there is guy like you around !. Thank you for the way you teach ....
"I've tested it for two years now, and I must say it doesn't perform well under Full spectrum LEDs with far-red diodes. The PAR reading it provides is about 100/120 PAR lower than it actually is, which is significantly higher. It works well under HPS/CMH. lights However, the upside is that I ended up using too much energy, so I could manage with less energy. So i'm not using it anymore with LEDs.
Wish I had a grow light company. If I did you would be the engineering manager. Man, we would rock out some great products. Just scratching the surface Shane. We could do military lighting, lots of quotes. Lighting on ships and planes. I’ve done all the Mil-Qual testing, life test…
I just did a quick search and it looks like it can be picked up for basically half the cost of the top of the line Apogee meter. Nice to know it has your seal of approval! ✌️
@@MIGROLIGHT Yes it was. Innoquest was making some big claims about the accuracy of their meter and after scoping the price I knew you had the lab to test it properly. Thanks for mentioning me.
I’ve been looking at some of these recently just to be just being able to check everything myself would be very helpful love the channel lots of very useful information
Another great tool you found here! Do you have an update regarding the very cheap Uni -T UT383BT Lux meter you talked about 2 months ago as i can't be the only one that bought it :) You then talked about "improving the accuracy with updated calibration for the most common LED grow light spectrum on the market", i'd be very interesting in using this Lux meter with my ES 300, any chance? Or a calibration that would be close to the ES300 spectrum (which seems to be around 2700K?)? Thanks for everything Shane!
😂 Maybe one day i would be very fortunate to find one of these at our local thrift store, just have to dig it up through the masses of piles of stuff lol. Thank you Shane for sharing Keep up the great work buddy😀👍
Hi Shane. Thank you for the review on this par meter. i just received my spoton sensor from you today, adn it work like charme. i really like the scan function on this. keep up the good work. Best regards Ronni
I've been used Photobio par meter , and the numbers is also pretty close of apogee , I compared against mq500 from a friend of mine and the readings was very close You could also test this one cuz the price is much cheaper
Hello! I noticed that you were testing at the same height but the Spot On meter seems to be 2-3 in taller than the Apogee sensor. Does this make a difference? Thank you!
after just looking at an apogee unit for $1500 this is a sigh of relief. no discredit to apogee they are the jedis of the light but for amateurs like me theyre simply out of my league and price range. Also I want that array 8.
Have you tested this meter long-term? I actually bought two of these last year and after about 3 months they both started reading a lot lower than my apogee.
Have you changed the batteries? Sounds dumb, but some of this low priced stuff can lack in maintaining performance with anything but fresh quality batteries... even though the display is still clear, or no battery warning is given (even if it has a gauge that still says full). The voltage regulation circuitry on low priced stuff can be lacking or missing. If so, it's interesting to see reduced numbers.
@@volvo09 Yes, I changed the batteries when I noticed the drop but they still read low. In my expericnce it seems a lot of the cheap instruments I've bought like this are very accurate at first, but tend to lose their calibrations pretty quickly. Get what you pay for I guess.
I’ve been using it for 9 months and have seen no drop off comparing it to the apogee 610 . Maybe I got lucky but they all will degrade over time. Apogee can be sent in for recalibration. Not sure about spot on but I can deal with it . On a full sun day take a reading this is your baseline and then it’s just math
I've been watching your videos for years now man💪💪💪💪 I have a small question about spectrum : Does the Sun spectrum looks the same up there in the North hemisphere than around here near the Equatorial line? Do plants react better if the light you provide artificially is more like the kind of light they get in their native lands? Thanks for any input about it man and keep up your great work, you are in a class of your own 💪💪💪💪
Hello. Could you see if you can do a review on the Sunraise QB 4000 please. I know u did a review on their purple led light awhile back. Maybe their new lights are better.
Iv just got the spot on sensor. Great bit of kit. Instead of guess work, already been able to drop my light and push the girls on. 😁 one question. With the average setting scan mode, is that ok to use that across the area instead of having to take points and work out average par? Seemed to work when I tried it.
That's a really good price but the old watch battery setup would put me off a little. I much prefer a couple of aaa's. That aside. I think the value far outweighs the sacrifice of stockings up on a few CR2032's? Anyway I have a question. I've seen and even purchase a 2000watt (200 watt) dimmable quantum grow light from Amazon for £129. What are your thoughts on these lights please? Meanwell power supply and I'm very happy with it. It also has amazing reviews. Have you managed to test anything along those lines please? Thanks for your help and amazing advice 👍
I’ve been looking at buying one of these but not sure which one to get because they are very expensive and wouldn’t mind buying a Budget one knowing that it’s a good quality at least
Thanks for all your videos. I was just looking for a quantum meter that works with my Electric Sky range. Apogee is so expensive. I'll be looking into this meter now. Have you ever tested different Wall material? Like Mylar Vs Panda? I've been wondering what is best. Thanks for all your informative videos.
The Apogee brand meters have multiple sensor options, that cover slightly different ranges of the spectrum, from as low as 370 nm to as high as 750 nm. There are datalogging options. And they have firmware that can be updated in order to correct a discovered issue or (possibly) add new features. The sensors are waterproof and some of them have automatic immersion effect correction (useful if one is working with aquarium lights and such). Apparently, the cables can be extended up to 100 meters / 329 feet. You'd definitely be "getting more" with an Apogee meter. On the other hand, if a person has no need or interest in the features, it would be sensible to spend less on a lesser product that still has the same *basic* functionality. One thing, though: As you stated, it's relatively close in results to the Apogee. However, the difference does not appear to be consistent - you got calculated variances of .01%, .1%, and 2.5%. Of course, there is no way to determine the root of that - the inconsistency could be wholly in the Spot On, a combination of the two, or even wholly in the Apogee's readings. (Or, in theory, I suppose there could have been some kind of variance in the light source between the time you used one meter and the time you used the other.)
Ehhhhh....... imo 120 cm x120cm is 2x more than max spec. Can u elaborate why you would consider basically a 4x4 space to only need a 600 watt hps? Is it the 19 inch height v.s the typical 3ft thay most 600 watt hps guys run at 2 - 2.5 feet on center with medium adjustability open hoods?
Photone has an app or android now. I compared the reading to the par chart that came with my light. It was off by only 40 ppfd. Which seems to be in line with what your findings with apple app Photone. Plus I didnt have to use a diffuser. Can you do a follow up maybe trying the Photone with your galaxy phone?
@@justinomar9210 I think you must have misunderstood, Shane measured the same light twice, once with each sensor, then compared the results. But one sensor is taller than the other, bringing it closer to the light and skewing the comparison if he didn’t raise the light accordingly
Perfect question! At first, his Apogee didn't, but I believe he got a newer/different model that had larger parameters from UVB up to Infra-red..? I wonder how well it can check for spectrum charts, as well as all the other information that's available through the App, or the device he uses that shows the spectrum peaks when testing lights. I believe that device gets it's information from The Apogee sensor? But that device may have it's own sensor? I'll have to check some past test videos and pay close attention. Heads a bit foggy this morning..? If so, it'd be great to test the Spot On sensor in this way, as well. Your question is Spot On!
I bought this product do to your recommendation and loved it right up until my first battery change! The spoton is so poorly designed that the battery holder popped out breaking the tiny metal electrode! I don't recommend anyone buy this $300 one use q-tip until spoton gets there head out of their ass and designs a better housing for the battery.
Hello again Shane I know you like to be able to help people get better products for a better price well my spot on par meter is here and yes was toasting my girls but that's another story I I got the spot on for 298.00 plus tax in the US and I can't find it cheaper anywhere just Google garden supply guys in green bay Wisconsin I know you have passed on great information too me so thought you might want to pass this on to others have a great day my friend ‼️💯😎
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Thanks Shane!!! Your channel is where I send all the new growers I meet when they ask about lights.
This channel and Apogee Instruments Doctor Bruce Bugbee.. explains and removes all the arguments too with all the proof and solid education on the topic of LED and growing.
Just got my spot-on! Very impressed with how well it works and how well it's built and the really cool multi-stand that can do several different things.
Best of all it confirms how awesome my Aray 12 Pro is!!!
Something has to be said about the uniformity in the coverage of the array 8, that's one impressive map!
Second that...
Yeah it's outstanding and that's why its one of my favourites besides the sanlights and maxibright daylight.
yeah it kinda stole the show from the ppfd meter :)
I've been seriously considering getting myself one of these for the reviews, nice to see something a bit more affordable on the market. Thanks for the great content as always 🙏✌
Innovations, and cheaper tools for the win.
Have to shout out to and support you & Doctor Bruce Bugbee for making these PAR meters a common growers market tool now.
Shane should've done more testing, I've returned 3 of these rubbish spoton meters because they keep crapping out after a couple months.
@@nigeltripplet3305 ahhhhhh really?
Just got one of the par meters from your site. So glad you coved this. Its half the price of the other par meter I have been looking at for months
Very cool, another awesome review!
Nice to know we have options!
Holy crap this thing is pretty cool. Thank Jeff for sharing.
Whoa, the camera upgrade is very noticable... I highly appreciate the HD50frames per second upgrade video quality.
Saw you with Chris ,Pidgeon and Robb and it was outstanding .The question was asked which LED you would recommend. My answer is any light that you make and any equipment you recommend . My sights are set on a Array 3. No need to look elsewhere when there is guy like you around !. Thank you for the way you teach ....
That light had some great numbers ! Thanks for the vid ,Shane!!👍
"I've tested it for two years now, and I must say it doesn't perform well under Full spectrum LEDs with far-red diodes. The PAR reading it provides is about 100/120 PAR lower than it actually is, which is significantly higher. It works well under HPS/CMH. lights However, the upside is that I ended up using too much energy, so I could manage with less energy. So i'm not using it anymore with LEDs.
Wish I had a grow light company. If I did you would be the engineering manager. Man, we would rock out some great products. Just scratching the surface Shane. We could do military lighting, lots of quotes. Lighting on ships and planes. I’ve done all the Mil-Qual testing, life test…
Excellent cheers Shane just ordered mine direct from your website. Thanks very much!
Big shout out to Jeff, many thanks bud!
I just did a quick search and it looks like it can be picked up for basically half the cost of the top of the line Apogee meter. Nice to know it has your seal of approval! ✌️
Fantastic. Thanks Shane. The Spot On par meter is my next investment.
Jeff from Ontario
Hi Jeff, WAs it you who recommended I look at this sensor? If so, thanks again. Take care, Shane
@@MIGROLIGHT Yes it was. Innoquest was making some big claims about the accuracy of their meter and after scoping the price I knew you had the lab to test it properly. Thanks for mentioning me.
Awesome Shane. Loved seeing you on the stash podcast hope to see you on grow talk
Nicely put.Lights and more.Proof is in the pudding.Thanks for sharing knowledge
I’ve been looking at some of these recently just to be just being able to check everything myself would be very helpful love the channel lots of very useful information
Another great tool you found here!
Do you have an update regarding the very cheap Uni -T UT383BT Lux meter you talked about 2 months ago as i can't be the only one that bought it :)
You then talked about "improving the accuracy with updated calibration for the most common LED grow light spectrum on the market", i'd be very interesting in using this Lux meter with my ES 300, any chance? Or a calibration that would be close to the ES300 spectrum (which seems to be around 2700K?)?
Thanks for everything Shane!
😂 Maybe one day i would be very fortunate to find one of these at our local thrift store, just have to dig it up through the masses of piles of stuff lol. Thank you Shane for sharing Keep up the great work buddy😀👍
Wow ! you smoke good shit !!!
Hi Shane.
Thank you for the review on this par meter.
i just received my spoton sensor from you today, adn it work like charme.
i really like the scan function on this. keep up the good work.
Best regards
Ronni
Next item on my wishlist. Thanks again Shane. 😁👍🌿
very cool Shane! this unit looks quite nice, glad to see it was accurate as well. you do wonderful testing! thanks!
Hey, maybe you can do bundle deals where if you buy a light, you can bundle this one with it for 200 euro?
Thanks Shane... I hope things are going well for you.
shoutout to Jeff!
I've been used Photobio par meter , and the numbers is also pretty close of apogee , I compared against mq500 from a friend of mine and the readings was very close
You could also test this one cuz the price is much cheaper
Hello! I noticed that you were testing at the same height but the Spot On meter seems to be 2-3 in taller than the Apogee sensor. Does this make a difference? Thank you!
Yeah I’d like to know this too. Especially since the spot on read slightly lower across the board. Will be lower still if those two inches matter.
after just looking at an apogee unit for $1500 this is a sigh of relief.
no discredit to apogee they are the jedis of the light but for amateurs like me theyre simply out of my league and price range.
Also I want that array 8.
Could you please review the photobio advanced quantum par meter by hydrofarm. Thanks in advance
Have you tested this meter long-term? I actually bought two of these last year and after about 3 months they both started reading a lot lower than my apogee.
Have you changed the batteries? Sounds dumb, but some of this low priced stuff can lack in maintaining performance with anything but fresh quality batteries... even though the display is still clear, or no battery warning is given (even if it has a gauge that still says full). The voltage regulation circuitry on low priced stuff can be lacking or missing.
If so, it's interesting to see reduced numbers.
@@volvo09 Yes, I changed the batteries when I noticed the drop but they still read low. In my expericnce it seems a lot of the cheap instruments I've bought like this are very accurate at first, but tend to lose their calibrations pretty quickly. Get what you pay for I guess.
@@jackknight5697 I've had the same issues with the spoton.
Made in china bro
I’ve been using it for 9 months and have seen no drop off comparing it to the apogee 610 . Maybe I got lucky but they all will degrade over time. Apogee can be sent in for recalibration. Not sure about spot on but I can deal with it . On a full sun day take a reading this is your baseline and then it’s just math
Can you please test scyence raging kush 2.0 and cutter electronics ssk-550 diy kit? Maybe compare cutter to hlg. Both are diy.
I've been watching your videos for years now man💪💪💪💪
I have a small question about spectrum :
Does the Sun spectrum looks the same up there in the North hemisphere than around here near the Equatorial line?
Do plants react better if the light you provide artificially is more like the kind of light they get in their native lands?
Thanks for any input about it man and keep up your great work, you are in a class of your own 💪💪💪💪
nice thought
I've seen it before and it is great to get for this amount of money so good quantum par meter!!!
Absolutely brilliant! Was ready to purchase the MQ-500. Any idea of the weight? Great job as always!
0.17lb(77g)
Hello. Could you see if you can do a review on the Sunraise QB 4000 please. I know u did a review on their purple led light awhile back. Maybe their new lights are better.
You’ve been under those lights to long 🤣keep up the good work✌️
Nice Shane...tnx✌🏻
Thanks For Sharing appreciate your honesty and values 👍🏻
Iv just got the spot on sensor. Great bit of kit. Instead of guess work, already been able to drop my light and push the girls on. 😁 one question. With the average setting scan mode, is that ok to use that across the area instead of having to take points and work out average par? Seemed to work when I tried it.
Shane, always killing the game!
Great stuff men, i like you!!!👍wat about the cost in europe?!
Go to the migro website I'd guess
Its €299 including taxes + shipping
That's a really good price but the old watch battery setup would put me off a little. I much prefer a couple of aaa's. That aside. I think the value far outweighs the sacrifice of stockings up on a few CR2032's?
Anyway I have a question. I've seen and even purchase a 2000watt (200 watt) dimmable quantum grow light from Amazon for £129.
What are your thoughts on these lights please?
Meanwell power supply and I'm very happy with it. It also has amazing reviews.
Have you managed to test anything along those lines please?
Thanks for your help and amazing advice 👍
Is there any way you can get the Photobio phantom advance quantum par meter?I see it on sale at a local shop
The spot on metre sensor is about 3 inches closer to the light. How does it read the same as the apogee at different distances Shane?
test height is from the top of the sensor to underneath the light fixture. Good question though..
I’ve been looking at buying one of these but not sure which one to get because they are very expensive and wouldn’t mind buying a Budget one knowing that it’s a good quality at least
Would this work for a reef aquarium? I don't see why not
Hi, just want to know, this meter has feature for calibration or not? Based on your experience of using it.
Thanks for all your videos. I was just looking for a quantum meter that works with my Electric Sky range. Apogee is so expensive. I'll be looking into this meter now. Have you ever tested different Wall material? Like Mylar Vs Panda? I've been wondering what is best. Thanks for all your informative videos.
Would this work for a Reef aquarium with full spectrum LED lights? 50-500~ par
have you considered the high of the spot on? i think thats where you have the difference.
It looks like they threw Dr. Bugsbee under the bus.
The Apogee brand meters have multiple sensor options, that cover slightly different ranges of the spectrum, from as low as 370 nm to as high as 750 nm. There are datalogging options. And they have firmware that can be updated in order to correct a discovered issue or (possibly) add new features. The sensors are waterproof and some of them have automatic immersion effect correction (useful if one is working with aquarium lights and such). Apparently, the cables can be extended up to 100 meters / 329 feet. You'd definitely be "getting more" with an Apogee meter. On the other hand, if a person has no need or interest in the features, it would be sensible to spend less on a lesser product that still has the same *basic* functionality.
One thing, though: As you stated, it's relatively close in results to the Apogee. However, the difference does not appear to be consistent - you got calculated variances of .01%, .1%, and 2.5%. Of course, there is no way to determine the root of that - the inconsistency could be wholly in the Spot On, a combination of the two, or even wholly in the Apogee's readings. (Or, in theory, I suppose there could have been some kind of variance in the light source between the time you used one meter and the time you used the other.)
How do I justify buying any par meter at the very high cost of good meters, but I only use one light? Please advise thank you. !
Shane I need your expertise. Bug zappers use UV bulbs. Does this help my yield and kill my problems?
Ehhhhh....... imo 120 cm x120cm is 2x more than max spec. Can u elaborate why you would consider basically a 4x4 space to only need a 600 watt hps? Is it the 19 inch height v.s the typical 3ft thay most 600 watt hps guys run at 2 - 2.5 feet on center with medium adjustability open hoods?
Photone has an app or android now. I compared the reading to the par chart that came with my light. It was off by only 40 ppfd. Which seems to be in line with what your findings with apple app Photone. Plus I didnt have to use a diffuser. Can you do a follow up maybe trying the Photone with your galaxy phone?
Please, I am no pro grower. But I am wondering if its close enough to use it, without fears.
I don't trust my own tests, lol. I do yours
yeah would be cool to see
Migro has one aswell
It looks like they threw doctor Busby under the bus
Nah Shane's just a honest man and see's things as it is straight up no bullshit
Have you seen Dr Bugbee's cheap( house plant) grow lights review? 😆
Thanks Shane, I assume you were adjusting the light height to accommodate the difference in sensor heights?
He used the same sensor for both
@@justinomar9210 I think you must have misunderstood, Shane measured the same light twice, once with each sensor, then compared the results. But one sensor is taller than the other, bringing it closer to the light and skewing the comparison if he didn’t raise the light accordingly
@@phdDotCom oh shit seen it my bad too stoned
What about UV? Can you recommend something?
I have a photobio by phantom and am soooo curious if its accurate, its about $150
Hi Shane, thanks for this. How would you rate the spot on against the apogee MQ610 which measures to 750nm?
Hi,
The SpotOn meter is just as accurate but only reads up to 700nm, unless you want to read far red the SpotOn is perfectly fine.
Thanks.
So i guess it can read red, UV and IR?
No, UV and IR are not in the PAR range so are not read by this sensor.
@@MIGROLIGHT TY
Perfect question! At first, his Apogee didn't, but I believe he got a newer/different model that had larger parameters from UVB up to Infra-red..?
I wonder how well it can check for spectrum charts, as well as all the other information that's available through the App, or the device he uses that shows the spectrum peaks when testing lights.
I believe that device gets it's information from The Apogee sensor? But that device may have it's own sensor? I'll have to check some past test videos and pay close attention. Heads a bit foggy this morning..?
If so, it'd be great to test the Spot On sensor in this way, as well.
Your question is Spot On!
@@timturk1899 Yeah apogee is a quantum censor could be the difference idk..
But i want to understand :)
TY.
What about the apogee 620?
Awesome
I just picked up the grow300 from grow light science. Will these par meter work perfect for that light or do I need a better one?
The light makes no difference
👍👍
does the mq500 work for leds?
lol are you hi
Woah I’m early
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I bought this product do to your recommendation and loved it right up until my first battery change! The spoton is so poorly designed that the battery holder popped out breaking the tiny metal electrode!
I don't recommend anyone buy this $300 one use q-tip until spoton gets there head out of their ass and designs a better housing for the battery.
Can see them edibles are wearing off now
215 ya right 😂
😃🏆🇪🇦
cringe .. cool add bro.
Hello again Shane I know you like to be able to help people get better products for a better price well my spot on par meter is here and yes was toasting my girls but that's another story I I got the spot on for 298.00 plus tax in the US and I can't find it cheaper anywhere just Google garden supply guys in green bay Wisconsin I know you have passed on great information too me so thought you might want to pass this on to others have a great day my friend ‼️💯😎
Will this work with LED and HID
Yes.
Fakkkkk 400 dollares........ Comon