The 787 'Nosedive' Incident: A 787 Pilot’s Perspective
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2024
- *These are opinions and discussions based on the current conversation around the Boeing 787 in flight upset as seen in the media. These are not conclusions or judgements and do not reflect the views of any airline, pilot or aircraft manufacturer*.
A Boeing 787 had a moment of weightlessness and a sudden drop during the cruise. We discuss the seat adjustment mechanism in the Boeing 787 today and I give you some of my perspectives as a Boeing 787 Pilot.
Sources: avherald.com/h?article=516016...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-6...
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I am a real world Airline pilot with thousands of hours flying the real aircraft and thought it would be fun to have a look at the detailed simulations of airliners in MSFS and X Plane. Hopefully you find this useful and it brings another perspective to your simulation. Any thoughts or comments are welcome!
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Really interesting to hear a real pilots perspective on these things, this is why I love channels like this one, a330 driver and mentor pilot, keep up the good work!
You should add blancolirio to your list
Seems to me that the era of a yoke is on the way out.
@@obrietsbeen obsolete for a while
330driver is a tool
@@budguy21 😂😂😂 why do you say that? genuinely
I really like the videos, such as this one, where you explain the nuances and details of specific airliners.
My wife was on this flight on her way to Lima Peru. Horrific! When she told me she saw people flying through the plane cabin. Fortunately she had her seatbelt on when it happened.
I don't really understand why anyone would keep their seatbelt unfastened throughout the flight!
I was hoping you'd have seen and commented on the video circulating of the seat moving forward of it's own accord after just a small amount of pressure was applied to the cover of the switch on the back of the seat. If you haven't seen it it's feature on Juan Browne (Blancoliro) video today.
This needs more likes. I love the professionalism of the airline industry. There is no bias, just educated perspective. But I love the video production using flight sim. It’s such a shame the recent incident with the Singapore Airlines 777 (different flight deck, different airline) has severely impacted passenger safety. An expedited explanation of these two incidents would be welcome. On the other foot, I have family flying on these aircraft. I have flown myself as passenger on 777 (the recent 6:57 fatality) but I do t for one moment suggest it’s unsafe, I just want an expedited report and any action made available to public
Thanks for weighing in and assuring the flying public!
Insightful and balanced - great as always, many thanks Captain!
Much appreciated! Thank you
Great video as always! I remember hearing about a similar incident with an airbus from Green dot Aviation (I think) where the seat moving forward caused the arm rest to make contact with the flight stick and they couldn’t understand why it was nose diving
Edit: just realised you mentioned this later in the video…I was too quick with my comment 😂
News papers like to sensationalize stories for clicks and reads. "nose dive " gives the impression the nose was pointing to the ground. Nice to hear a Common Sense (not so common nowadays) description of how this can happen. Nowhere near as extreme as the media explanation. Flying has become so comfortable what with comfy seats, climate control, quiet cabins, that we can be detached to the laws of physics that's still happening outside. Yes, seat belt always on. It's common sense. Great channel by the way. Never miss a vid.
A great insight; thank you for your video's, they're awesome! Happy Landings!
Thank you so much, appreciate it!
The service bulletin you mention was not the flight control electronics, rather it was the 787 brains, the CCR cabinets. The problem came from clock synchronization within general processing modules.
That switch is very easy for someone standing in the FD to accidentally move. I’ve done it before, and it’s happened with me in the seat.
At cruise if the Capt was just served and now focused on lunch, he may not have noticed the seat was moving until it was too late.
Great video as always
A very interesting video, thank you for sharing
Thank you Captain.
Love the 787.
I've always worn my seatbelt during flights after a turbulence event on a QANTAS 747 flying to Heathrow from Singapore over the Bay of Bengal. The plane felt like it was on a roller coaster, and it made me realise that had the crew not switched on the seatbelt sign, people could easily have been thrown to the floor if they were out of their seats.
Great to see you back captain!
hes not a captain
@@budguy21 I don't mind it's my form of respect
Super interesting. Thanks!
Don't know if you follow the Blancolirio channel (real world 777 pilot), but he did a video talking about a report that the rocker switch on the seat back (under the cover) was loose and sticking up, and how it's possible that a member of the flight crew came into the cockpit, perhaps to deliver a meal, and leant their hand on the cover, which could have started pushing the seat forward. If the pilot happened to have something on his/her lap at the time, that might have pushed the yoke forward to past the AP disconnect point. Definitely plausible!
I like watching Blanolirio. I have not a clue as to what he’s talking about most of the time but he does a great job explaining the incidents he features on his channel to an average person.
@@apieceofdirt4681 Yeah, and there's no spin or drama. Just facts. I like that.
Love the simple explanation. Living dangerously though, calling a sidestick a joystick ;). And I know the feeling of calling in a fault for something basic. I called the AA out to my motorbike as it wouldn't start....because the kill switch was on
Great explainer thanks. Could have shown the Fenix B2 as the fore/aft movement is fully modelled...
Love these 787 videos. Any indication on when the Tod / Ils arrival is coming out
Good advice on always wearing your seatbelt as a passenger, no matter what.
Great to see these kinds of v🎉ideos
I have spent a lot of time reading about Boeing lately. I really believe shortcuts in safety are very real. Right now I fly many times a year but for now will not step on board a Boeing aircraft for the forseable future. Maintenance short cuts through greed of corporates. It will get worse until it gets better hopefully without any more serious incidents.
Maintenance is not done by Boeing, but by third party company. Just to let you know, they also servicing Airbus and other planes :)
Great video and insight. Were there not reports of one of the pilots going back to help a passenger who was injured in the cabin who said to one of the other pax that he had momentarily ‘lost everything’ display/instrumentation-wise?
There were some second hand reports of that initially coming from a passenger and translated from Spanish which said that which lead to a lot of the initial speculation.
Many were rather sceptical about that though as it's unlikely a pilot would actual say that to the passengers. Also, a plane shouldn't dive in the case of an electronics failures, even if the engines went out you'd be looking at it gliding on.
"landing on your head [...], it's incredibly unsafe..." :D
What could go wrong, will go wrong at some point - ask me how i know. 😉Great comment on the incident, thank you! Cheers 💙
Even if the seat travelled fully forward the design is such that the seat would not touch the yoke. So either there was something else in the way (like a bag or crossed legs) or the pilot's report of a complete instrumentation blackout is relevant.
There is an airworthy directive (AD 2016-24-09) to do with the mandatory resetting of 787 flight computers every 22 days else the system does a reboot all by itself (anyone fancy a reboot at 41000ft). I imagine that if it all goes black then the aircraft's elevator stability functions (which probably include a slightly nose-up attitude) suddenly let go then a down-pitch would follow. Hence floating passengers.
It will be an interesting investigation. In the meantime side-sticks for me.
Make sure the trolley dolly doesn't lean on the seat switch.🤣
WINWING just launched their full-size FCU. are you going to do a review on it? 😄
" The captain later said they had briefly lost their instrumentation, then it came back all of the sudden"- How true can this be ? I have a PPL, and in my experience its just dont make sence for the nosedown reaction because of the lost of instrument. Then again I have no experience for larger aircrafts.
That sounds a lot like the a330 (voyager) incident near Cyprus
That’s what I was thinking.
Is that the one he talks about in the video?
@@joetheox1202 yes
bruh why haven't you got the thrustmaster tca 787 yoke?
This "Wear your seatbelt" advice is for simulation or for real life?
I always wear my seatbelt to stop my family forcibly removing me from my flight sim pc!
But seriously, sensible advice from the captain during real world flights for sure x
I wonder if seatbelts are effective even with the seatbelts extended way too loose for the person using it
not like it matters to me any more 🤪
There are so many incidents going on with Boeings right now, it's hard to keep up.
Mostly maintenance-related.
Do pilots wear seatbelts during the cruise?
Yes, just the lapbelt.
Ah ok, cheers
I tend to feel quite angry at people who amble about the cabin, and particularly those who who assemble next to me waiting for the toilet. That unbuckled person standing next to you while seated seriously increases the likelihood of your own injury or death when they start flying about the cabin.
Keep your face mask and helmet on and you'll be just fine.
Any other JAFAs?
Have been enjoying your content for a long time and have always appreciated your knowledge, but how you can call the 787 a safe aircraft to fly on with regard to the Boeing whistleblower's concerns and testimolianls is beyond me.
The fact that most Boeing assembly staff and engineers refuse to fly on Boeing aircraft speaks volumes.
When was the last time the 787 crashed Johnny boy?
@@joshilini2 Crashes to date do not reflect the possibility of issues lying dormant within the airframes?
Everyone is free to fly on whatever type they wish, but if even the builders don't trust it, why should we?
@@joshilini2it's been a good while since a 737 went down hasn't it but I'll still never fly one, I'm with the QC manager of the plant that builds them.
A nosedive? What other kind of dive is there? That term creates an unfortunate connotation that is unnecessary and detracts from the otherwise good description of a ridiculous event. Regarding manual seats…they had an unfortunate habit of not locking fully after adjustment which when the up and down manual adjustment on the F/O seat on a 727 failed to lock fully, I was dropped about 9 inches to the bottom and later spent about 8 months getting mobile again. Hooray for electric seats.
Boeing not going
Just like the whistle blower, I won't be flying in any modern DEI built Boeing aircraft.
Thanks for telling us who you truly are. A person who believes that all of the ills of business can be blamed on non-white, non-Christian employees. Always a victim aren’t you?
@@artjackson8360I'm sorry I believe in earning positions by merit and not by literally racist hiring practices. It's hilarious the west's militaries are taking the same route. I may well be a victim of racism but I won't be a Boeing victim at least.
@@joetheox1202 You seem to think that DEI is about giving jobs to unqualified people. You’ve swallowed the right wing propaganda uncritically.
DEI casts a wider net to reach qualified candidates who have been otherwise overlooked. Typically this has been minorities.
Attitudes like yours are just Jim Crow repackaged.
Bullshit