It actually makes perfect sense that trolls were respected carian knights: the first members of the noble carian family were astrolgers who studied the stars on the snowy mountaintops of the Lands Between, and they considered fire giants their neighbors before they were exterminated in the war against Marika and Godfrey, as said in the sword of night and flame. Trolls are descendents of the fire giants so it makes sense that they have a close bond with the descendents of the astrologers, and when she was young Rennala was an astrologer herself and studied on the mountaintops, where she probably met the trolls that would later become her knights
I believe the Carian Knights fought on two fronts in the Shattering; against the Golden Order and Academy's Cuckoo Knights. If true, only 20 of them fought off 2 armies, absolute legends.
I have no idea how it didn’t occur to me that in phase 2 rennala fight, all the spirit summons are characters/enemies you see along the quest line. There’s the Darriwil the bloodhound knight that blaidd has some history with, the wolves outside ranni’s rise, Adula, and a troll. Most (if not all) are summoned by their oaths they made to the family. This implies that the oath has some sort of magic binding that tethers your spirit to the spirit of the recipient of the oath, since phase 2 of the fight seems to take place in some sort of spirit realm.
I asume given that elden ring has a lot of ,after-death, variants oath is something that binds your soul to a person for service like an ancor for afterlife
The Carian Knights have to be my favorite group, I love both the archetype of magic knights and orders that have several different species as members. And nothing beats the surprise of a dragon pulling out a giant ice sword the first time. Ranni probably didn't mind most of the knights leaving since they don't really fit her style of doing things. Outside of guards for her and her mother, Blaidd was the only fighting agent (along with the tarnished later) that she needed since she was mostly about stealthy power plays. Many of the knights may have decided to follow Loretta to find somewhere with a cause they could better serve. If the Carian Knights have one disappointment for me, though, it has to be the troll knight sword. I just wish it had a different ash of war that made it feel more like a magic catalyst.
It's a huge miss not to have changeable ashes on at least one Carian sword T_T they added the catalyst sword in the dlc, but only one? Catalyst great sword please.
It’s honestly really cool. The only other fantasy series I’ve heard of such a concept was the Elder Scrolls series. Tiber Septim, founder of the Third Empire of Tamriel, had a dragon named Nahfahlaar/Nafaalilargus serving as a legionnaire and loyal vassal to him. It’s always a cool concept, imo.
I never thought of Adulla as a Carian Knight, but more of an associate who also happens to serve the royal family. Closer to Blaidd in function than Moongrum. But it is an interesting idea, and there is some precedent for it with Godwyn's dragon bromance.
@@square-table-gaming I agree since the Carian Knights' primary role was serving the princesses, so I would still count Adula even if she was not much involved with the other knights
One theory i like is that some knights left with loretta after seeing caria in shambles and being sorta replaced by puppets and finger kreeper. Would explain why some haligtree knights can cast sorceries
@@hiimvegan5366 yeah I saw that yesterday on a 1.00 video. Miquella was continuing an order that had faith and int just like his father radagon. My one issue is that it was never offered to a knight. Making me think the carian knights never made it
Such a missed opportunity to have Covenants in Elden Ring. Having Covenants replace the standard Rune Arc rewards with another rare consumable(s). Examples: Carian Knights - Starlight Shards Perfumers - Rare Perfume Materials
The carian knight build was probably popular because it was pretty quick to get: Most of the parts are just up for grab, and Moongrum guards the only piece I recall needing to fight for.
Interesting, Im surprised that Iiji was not counted among the honorable mention troll carian knights. While labelled as a blacksmith and wielding a hammer over a sword, he served Ranni on a station not too different to the formal troll knights, trying to protect her even against her shadow Blaidd.
It is such a shame that Carian knight sword and Loretta’s War sickle can not cast sorceries like staff, a feature exists in multiple weapons in DS3. I hope Fromsoft bring it back in DLC.
First, you find the armor set in a tomb. You are not too sure about its stats, but it looks cool so you equip it. Then you duel Moongrum before the elevator to the library. You defeat Rennala and head to the Three Sisters, where you enter Ranni's service and proceed to do her quest. From an RP standpoint, it was rather neat for my vagabond knight to find a new leige (Ranni) after proving himself worthy by defeating Moongrum and finding the Carian armor set.
I personaly like the idea of roleplaying the prisioner class as a Carian Knight that lost his grace, was banished from the lands between, imprisoned, died and was brought back, just to find out what happened to the order and the royal family. From here is standard stuff, would seek the remnants of the Carian Royal family, bound by duty.
I think that when the crest refers to multiple Carian princesses, it may be that Rennala had husbands before Radagon, it’s just that Radagon was he most recent husband.
The Carian knights were probably preparing to fight someone who knew sorceries AND incantations. Who could that be? Radagon, who studied both. This is just more evidence of Ranni's plotting. She knew she planned to attack the Golden Order, and equipped her knights for war.
Cool video. I never actually used Adula's Moonblade (I used a paladin build), so I never saw that bit about the knightly oath. There's always something new to find. On an unrelated note, could you try figuring out what the deal is with the bats and the freaky harpies with the Latin song? As far as I can tell, the harpies are not mentioned anywhere in game, but this still feels like it could have some lore significance.
@@zenebean agreed, it's like the basic knight armor was rebuilt in the style of Raya Lucaria. Like how Miquella made his sword in the Carian style but replaced the glintstone with Erdtree amber.
battle mage and spell sword always been popular metas for dark souls games. it just turned out carian knights have someone of the best armor for being a spell sword which makes sense since ya know they are literal spell swords.
Concerning the headless giants around the belfries: if their swords can be wielded basic model trolls then it would reason that the headless trolls are not knights.
Great video, and wonderfully put together with a great theory on why they fell apart. But its a common theory that the the royal ties with the trolls go Back to the time of the astrologers.
Trolls were not the only non-humans who made up the ranks of the Carian Knights. Albanaurics too were among their ranks if you believe the theory that Loretta herself was an albanauric.
What about the Carian Knight Armor set in front of a tombstone in Raya Lucaria? Is it has any link to the Carian Family or it is just there for player to grab it. Also, what if some of the Carian Knight becomes a Tarnished, droves outside the Lands Between before coming back to rescue Carian Royal Family? Maybe that's a good reason to cosplay as Carian Knight and choose Age of the Stars ending.
one thing to keep in mind. The Carian Royal Family coud've had cousisns and other branches that lived with Rennala and Radagon. Maybe when Rennala became Queen of Liurnia, she raised her sisters up to the level of "Princess", and she had neices also given that title, possibly after her sisters passed away? If it became a hereditary thing in these "lesser" royals that would allow the establishment of the Matriarchal style of title inheritance the Carians had. The Shattering War probably devastated most of the Carian Family itself. Leaving only the "main" royals of Queen Rennala, Princess Ranni, Rykard, and Radahn alive while all their relatives were killed in the Liurnian civil war, maybe hunted by Knights of the Cuckoo and Academy traitors.
I thought the trolls and dragon, while reconized as knights, were different that the actual carian knights which were humans, and they were the ones that numbered fewer than 20. I may be wrong, idk.
@@square-table-gaming that's true. A cool consept may be that Bols was exceptional and therefore rose into the carian knight from the lower troll knights. The reason I think this is no other carian trolls are referred to as carian knights except him.
@@cjmurphy7967 there is a nearly identical troll in Carian knight armor inside Caria Manor just before Loretta. I don't think we should assume that troll was not a night just because they aren't named.
any idea where there is knife lions in 3 different castles (sol, stormveil, redmane) is there any connection between the three since godrick, radahn and lighting foot boi dont seem to have any good connections
I like to think that the carian knights have the most “souls-like” appearance. It may be just me but I see a resemblance to Oscar, knight of Astora, from DS1.
I saw a comment about oaths to Renalla trolls wolfs bloodhound knight and Adula well if you pay attention Renallas dragon breathes FIRE Adula does not looks like she had more dragons to serve her, second Moongrum has the Academy Glintstone Staff not the one you said which is odd since he is carian knight he should have Carian Glintstone Staff I don't know if this is FS mistake or not but still I find it strange, one more thing there is a troll near the Frenzy tower that guards a tower that if I remember correctly you need the twinsage glintstone crown to enter it I don't know why he guards that. Great video as always keep up the good work 👌
Would be awesome if Rennala preserved her sanity and player character could join Carian Knights like they do with Mohg's Bloody Fingers. These game has too many interesting covenants not to have anything similar to covenant system
The troll hiding in next to the wall on the way to Mourne is only combatative if provoked by you ore the Servant Riff-Raff Butchers. Thought moat likely just a servant wagon puller trying to survive. The Carian knight's more ornate plate gear explains the situation better. One or 2 pieces change explanation when rethreaded by Bok. The Carian knights started turning on the family. The male's thought too much power held by the knights. Mages had their Stone Mage Masons Club judging and turning on each group felt not proper. After the queens depression set in. The Radagon leaving thing was like a Greek Myth of Tiresias. The male and female roles reversed.
Theory Time Who are the known Carian Knights? ~With presumably 19 or less knights I wanted to theorize who and what roles these knights played by on the time we encounter them. 1) Moongrum ~ Rennala's Knight: Protects the Queen of Caria even to this day Sub-Theory 1: Moongrum is the current captain/leader of the Knights, well sort off, as currently the order is disbanded and their knights follow their own objectives now Sub-Theory 2: Moongrum is Rennala's Jailer; hard to imagine but details indicate that the academy itself imprisoned Rennala when they turned against her, and what better way to imprison her is with a traitorous knight of Caria. Why would Moongrum betray Rennala and the family is most likely due to Radagons own betrayal and Rennala's own descent to madness over the amber egg. A notable thing to support this is the presence of Lazuli Scholars, Lazuli Scholars supports the idea of the moon being equal to the stars and are known to practice carian sorceries as they are the scholars waiting to be knighted. It is either disillusioned scholars that thought they are never going to be Carian Knights or led by a traitorous Carian Knight is why they would oppose Rennala. Thankfully not all of the Lazuli Scholars allied themselves with the Academy, with some defending the Manor till our arrival. 2) Bols ~ Carian Troll Knight: [Fact] Imprisoned by the Cuckoo Knights; [Theory:] Most likely the defender of the Kingsrealm Ruins (or what it was before), as due to the vicinity of his gaol from the Ruins and captured Carian Caravan Sub-Theory: He surrendered which then led his capture, he surrendered most likely when he knew that Rennala was imprisoned at the academy or was captured when the Carian Knights were disbanded 3) Unknown Carian Troll Knight : Carian Manor Defender ~not much to say about this knight as the placement of said knight, doesn't suggest any other theory for the fact that he serves as one of the last line of defense for the Manor and Ranni 4) Unknown Carian Troll Knight : Defends the Converted Fringe Tower Theory: This knight was stationed here to prevent scholars of the academy from reaching the Haima spells. These are very powerful spells of battle mages. There is also a distinct lack of Battle Mages inside the the academy, so at some point the scholars tried to acquire more powerful spells for their uprising, the Carians thinking ahead sealed the spells far off the NE and had a Carian Knight to Defend it 5) Unknown Carian Troll Knight Puppet: Sieging the Highway Lookout Tower The theory is; this knight is perhaps conjured by one of the Loyal Preceptors (Preceptor Miriam) as she is currently defending the Carian Study Hall Tower, and that she is most like trying to take back the Highway Lookout tower from the Academy Scholars that are Garrisoned there. Considering that the encampment looks like a significant one and that the Carian Glint Blade Staff is also located there, one can assume that Carian knights were once Garrisoned here(Outpost) as this road is what connects the Academy~Liurnia with Stormviel~Limgrave. 6) Adula Dragon Carian Knight: [Fact: Dragon that swore allegiance to Ranni] Theory: Adula is the last or most recent Knight of the Carian Order, as it wasn't until Ranni was the next line of the Family that Adula was bested and then knighted 7) Lorreta Former Carian Knight, Knight of the Haligtree: Once Carian Knight, abandoned her post to find refuge for the Albinauric People, rumored to be an Albinauric herselft. I believe that Lorreta may represented the Albinauric for the Carian Family and/or knights, as the Carian family treated albinaurics in a more humane conditions, as for example of Pidia an albinauric that helps defend Caria Manor (albeit in a twisted way) and protects the store house within the manor. Lorreta may had high hopes for the Carian Family for the better treatment of the albinaurics (seeing she herself maybe one) but when the Knights and Family fell into disarray she left her post to find refuge for the Albinaurics. She most likely left during or after the siege of Caria Manor. 8) Unknown Human Carian Knight Ghost: Not much is known about this knight apart from his/her wish for Ranni to ascend Sub-Theory: This Ghost Carian Knight, may have been the Former Captain or Leader of the Carian Knight Order Probable Carian Knights, continued from who are the Carian Knights, these are possibly Carian Knights or were but there aren't much evidence to proven as such, or didn't have enough evidence to be proven as actual knight 9)Warmaster Iji: Ranni's Warmaster and Advisor Iji along with other of his Troll Brethren were the few that were called upon on by an old oath, however Iji have known Ranni since her childhood as such is the most probable reason as to why he was chosen as Warmaster and advisor. His biggest link as a Carian Knight is he wears the same cloak as the rest of the Carian Troll Knights , with the only difference of him wearing a Mirror Helm Sub-Theory: Iji is the reason why there is an illusionary wall that blocks access to the Caria Manor at the Kings Realm Ruins, and is the Manor's first line of defense (after the failed Siege of the Cuckoo Knights 10) Preceptor Miriam: Defender of Carian Study Hall Preceptors work with secrecy for their Carian Monarchs, only when Radaggon was married in to the family that they served other than their monarchs. Considering she's defending the study hall, it is either a) she was apointed there by Rennala as it's caretaker / defender b) appointed there by Ranni to defend here during the Night of the Black Knives and subsequent ritual that Ranni partook in, later Miriam would protect the curse mark left behind from said ritual. Currently Miriam utilize puppets to defend the Study Hall Tower and possibly trying to take back lost ground for the Carian Loyalist (see no. 5) 11) Preceptor Seluvis: Appointed advisor for Princess Ranni / Traitor Only Included in this list due to his counter part Preceptor Miriam also being on the list 12) Guest Knight / Executioner Jarren: Former Servant of the Carian Royal family Despite working for the Carian Royal Family, he never really stated to be a Carian knight and only reffered as either a Guest Knight or Guest Commander (Raddahn). He also doesn't display any Carian Knight Sorceries, however considering his skills as a witchhunter and that the Carian Knights were trained to counter mages, Jarren may have been one or the one that trained Carian Knights to powerful Mage killers. Also he keeps very close ties with the Carian Royal family even after their disarray, even so far to defend Rennala by challenging Sellen when she wanted to usurp the academy Theoretical Carian Knights 13-15) Beheaded Ghost Troll Knights Like as mentioned above there are no concrete evidence that these three possible Troll Knights are actual carian troll knights like Bols, however due to Bols gaol location, it can be implied that Bols is one of the four Troll knights that defended the Bellfries and the only one that lived. 16) Onyx / Alabaster Lords These Lords are known to have taught Raddahn about Gravitational Magic and at least one of them are Located near Caria Manor albeit imprisoned in a Gaol, could it be? that this Alabaster / Onyx Lord that caused the disbandment of the Carian Knights? Alternatively one of the Alabaster Lords found refuge in the academy while the other one was imprisoned for not taking Carian's Side during the Liurnian Civil War, then again imprisonment can either be: keeping things' out or preventing something from escaping. 17) Sorcerer Rogier He is well versed in Carian Sorcery and Skills, and considering his history with D a member of the Golden Order. Rogier may have been a Carian Knight at Peace, knighted during peace time at wars end (around the time Rennala & Raddagon were married). Most likely leaving a few years later after finding no glory as a Carian Knight 18) Raddagon of the Golden Order This mostly theorized due to his Marriage with Rennala, not only that as he is also seen a champion albeit from their adversaries, integrating him into the Carian Knights is a humiliating blow to the Golden Order. 19) The Player (Prisoner Class) Following the Description of the Prisoner Class, there were once part of the elites and studied Glintstone sorceries. That Glintstone Sorcery is the magic Glint Blade the prototype of Sword Sorceries. This can be implied that the prisoner was a Lazuli Scholar or a Carian Noble of significant Rank or perhaps was once a preceptor. Regardless they would been Knighted and would later be shunned/dishonored and sentenced for imprisonment. This could lead to different possibilities like: Perhaps this knight learned of the truth of Raddagon's Secret and would be shunned by Raddagon and be label a traitor by false pretense or Perhaps this Knight was the cause of ruin of the Carian Knight Order, leading for his imprisonment The possibilities are endless
What’s really crazy to me is the sheer size it’s implied the lands between is, it’s my opinion since all these different cultures and factions needed space to develop that the lands between is actually 4-10xs as large as depicted in game, leading there to be more settlements we don’t know about and the expansion of others like Leyndell which is properly atleast twice as big
turns out lendyell was twice the size if you compare the overworld side of the map to the underside, what do see? the nameless city just below the area that is suspiciously empty in lendyell and the entrance to lenydell leads to nothing, on top of that, the nameless cities architecture maches that of lower lendyell and the town of sorcery in Calied
My thoughts on the Carian Knights A group of powerful magic wielding knights, sworn to defend the Carian Royals, ultimately fell into disarray after Radagon left for Marika, Rennala lost herself to the Amber Egg and their children went their separate ways There wasn’t much, hell ANYTHING left worth defending And yet the knights defended, they swore their lives to this cause I can respect that, I can also respect their power and their loyalty, but above all, I respect their magic and designs, the Carian Knight armour is the best armour set, HANDS DOWN, and their sorceries, they wielded some powerful and magnificent magic, who else can say their magic gives them a giant lightsaber? And as for why the Carian Knight Build is so popular, it’s because it’s a fun and strong build that still isn’t TOO strong
If we’re helping Ranni why do we have to fight Adula? I wouldn’t call any faction “heroes”, I have a very strict and pure concept of a true hero and the Carians are evil in their own way.
Because Adula likely has no idea what's going on, and without any contravening directives, is just doing what it thinks it should to protect her/ her ancestral home. "Hero" is a subjective term, as is "good" for that matter, and no one is good or evil all the time. The Carians did some f*cked up stuff, but then pretty much everyone in the lands between did something misanthropic - what I suspect you mean by evil (except Boc, I guess) - as has every society ever. The knights were 'true heroes' of Caria, clearly intelligent, skilled, and noble in their society, but not necessarily by our current sensibilities.
For those saying Adula or others can't be knights, this isn't necessarily true. Who can or can't confer knighthood depends greatly on the number of factors including the specific governmental and social structure, the time period, the type and definition of knighthood within that particular society, and a number of other factors. Any head of state, monarch or otherwise, can confer a knighthood recognized by that state, can invest any designate they choose with the ability to confer knighthood, and there can be multiple levels of knighthood. We simply don't know enough about Carian or Liurnian society at the time all this occurred to draw definitive conclusions about who was allowed to do what, and you shouldn't assume the rules are the same as current British royalty, as those rules have changed through history as well. It's really a shame, because I find the history of the Carians to be the most irksomely lacking lore in the game. Parts of item lore indicate one generation of royalty, where others imply many generations. Clearly, the Carian family was far larger than its known members, and they were a significant power in Liurnia long before Rennala came along.
Adula being a knight has caveats. She swore a knightly oath to Ranni. You can't just say you're a knight, you have to be knighted my the reigning monarch. Rennala is still alive, so this means she would have to have had her wits to knight a dragon. Ranni is effectively at best the Steward of Caria, so she does not have the power to knight anyone. So I would want to see some sort of information that could back up the knighthood better than "This grumpy lizard got her ass kicked and declared herself a protector of the realm." Perhaps if Fortissax was referred to as a Knight of the Golden Order or something, it might lend some credence to the "we just let the dragons do what they want" self-knighting action. Though it does make me giggle at the thought of all the possible bureaucratic structures of Caria. Rykard, Radahn, and Ranni sitting there, forming a sort of "Mom should be in a nursing home" tribunal counsel. Ranni spoke up, "I have kickethed the ass of a large lizard and now she wants a knighthood." "Well... I would speak up, but if I do, my whole snake-deity thing would be in question, so sure, knight the thing," Rykard commented flippantly. "Can Leonard be a knight too?" Radahn asked. Ranni sighed. Rykard sigh-hissed. "Verily, that mightest as well happen," Ranni acquiesced. Radahn happily horse-girl clapped in joy.
@@sueflewelling3657 Sort of yes. Empyreans are gifted their shadows by the two fingers, but Miquella and Malenia are different. They're twins, two half's of a whole, both incomplete due to their curses. Malenia chose to be Miquelas blade, filling the role of shadow.
I recently made a prisoner/spellblade/carian knight and among all my orhers characters it's my favorite lore accurate character that I've made with the oath the Carian Royal Family.
It actually makes perfect sense that trolls were respected carian knights: the first members of the noble carian family were astrolgers who studied the stars on the snowy mountaintops of the Lands Between, and they considered fire giants their neighbors before they were exterminated in the war against Marika and Godfrey, as said in the sword of night and flame. Trolls are descendents of the fire giants so it makes sense that they have a close bond with the descendents of the astrologers, and when she was young Rennala was an astrologer herself and studied on the mountaintops, where she probably met the trolls that would later become her knights
I never thought about that but that's really interesting
Would you prefer being a carian knight or a golden warrior
@@samuel.d2103 Carian since I started.
I believe the Carian Knights fought on two fronts in the Shattering; against the Golden Order and Academy's Cuckoo Knights. If true, only 20 of them fought off 2 armies, absolute legends.
I have no idea how it didn’t occur to me that in phase 2 rennala fight, all the spirit summons are characters/enemies you see along the quest line. There’s the Darriwil the bloodhound knight that blaidd has some history with, the wolves outside ranni’s rise, Adula, and a troll. Most (if not all) are summoned by their oaths they made to the family. This implies that the oath has some sort of magic binding that tethers your spirit to the spirit of the recipient of the oath, since phase 2 of the fight seems to take place in some sort of spirit realm.
I asume given that elden ring has a lot of ,after-death, variants oath is something that binds your soul to a person for service like an ancor for afterlife
If you’re talking about the Rennala Fight, that was an illusion created by Ranni
The Carian Knights have to be my favorite group, I love both the archetype of magic knights and orders that have several different species as members. And nothing beats the surprise of a dragon pulling out a giant ice sword the first time.
Ranni probably didn't mind most of the knights leaving since they don't really fit her style of doing things. Outside of guards for her and her mother, Blaidd was the only fighting agent (along with the tarnished later) that she needed since she was mostly about stealthy power plays. Many of the knights may have decided to follow Loretta to find somewhere with a cause they could better serve.
If the Carian Knights have one disappointment for me, though, it has to be the troll knight sword. I just wish it had a different ash of war that made it feel more like a magic catalyst.
It's a huge miss not to have changeable ashes on at least one Carian sword T_T they added the catalyst sword in the dlc, but only one? Catalyst great sword please.
It still amazes me that a dragon has been made in to knight.🐱
It’s honestly really cool. The only other fantasy series I’ve heard of such a concept was the Elder Scrolls series. Tiber Septim, founder of the Third Empire of Tamriel, had a dragon named Nahfahlaar/Nafaalilargus serving as a legionnaire and loyal vassal to him. It’s always a cool concept, imo.
Why not if a troll can
The dragons are actually pretty smart in this universe one used to be the Elden Lord
I never thought of Adulla as a Carian Knight, but more of an associate who also happens to serve the royal family. Closer to Blaidd in function than Moongrum. But it is an interesting idea, and there is some precedent for it with Godwyn's dragon bromance.
The knightly oath and her essentially creating her own version of the carian Greatsword clinched it for us.
@@square-table-gaming I agree since the Carian Knights' primary role was serving the princesses, so I would still count Adula even if she was not much involved with the other knights
One theory i like is that some knights left with loretta after seeing caria in shambles and being sorta replaced by puppets and finger kreeper.
Would explain why some haligtree knights can cast sorceries
And the miquella knight sword which is very similar to the carian knight sword. It even had int scaling in 1.00 version
@@sablemae8853 wow, ok that supports that theory prety nicely
@@hiimvegan5366 yeah I saw that yesterday on a 1.00 video. Miquella was continuing an order that had faith and int just like his father radagon. My one issue is that it was never offered to a knight. Making me think the carian knights never made it
@@sablemae8853 still has Potential that they build on it in the dlc
U do a sellen video? I think she’s a carian royal. That’s why they called her an annoying weed or something like that.
Such a missed opportunity to have Covenants in Elden Ring.
Having Covenants replace the standard Rune Arc rewards with another rare consumable(s).
Examples:
Carian Knights - Starlight Shards
Perfumers - Rare Perfume Materials
The carian knight build was probably popular because it was pretty quick to get: Most of the parts are just up for grab, and Moongrum guards the only piece I recall needing to fight for.
I’ve been waiting for this one, I love the Kites of Narnia.
That was pretty good lol
There is a troll knight defending gavel of haima too. Used to drop giant hunt before it was patched
Interesting, Im surprised that Iiji was not counted among the honorable mention troll carian knights. While labelled as a blacksmith and wielding a hammer over a sword, he served Ranni on a station not too different to the formal troll knights, trying to protect her even against her shadow Blaidd.
Iji held a much higher position. As war counsel he was likely never a knight himself.
Iji was a war counsellor for the family, and a dear friend to both Ranni and Blaidd
Words can't express how happy I was to find this set on my first playthrough
It is such a shame that Carian knight sword and Loretta’s War sickle can not cast sorceries like staff, a feature exists in multiple weapons in DS3. I hope Fromsoft bring it back in DLC.
Over a year has passed and your dream has come true, check out the new carian sword in the dlc, it's a sword that acts as a staff.
First, you find the armor set in a tomb. You are not too sure about its stats, but it looks cool so you equip it. Then you duel Moongrum before the elevator to the library. You defeat Rennala and head to the Three Sisters, where you enter Ranni's service and proceed to do her quest. From an RP standpoint, it was rather neat for my vagabond knight to find a new leige (Ranni) after proving himself worthy by defeating Moongrum and finding the Carian armor set.
I believe the armor is actually in Raya Lucaria in front of a grave stone
I personaly like the idea of roleplaying the prisioner class as a Carian Knight that lost his grace, was banished from the lands between, imprisoned, died and was brought back, just to find out what happened to the order and the royal family. From here is standard stuff, would seek the remnants of the Carian Royal family, bound by duty.
@@square-table-gamingyep right by where you ride the water wheel up. Just found it this morning by accident.
The knights of all time!
I think that when the crest refers to multiple Carian princesses, it may be that Rennala had husbands before Radagon, it’s just that Radagon was he most recent husband.
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I know why the Carian Knight set was popular, cuz them threads were F L Y as hell! Them threads were D R I P P I N so much, they flooded Liurnia!
The Carian knights were probably preparing to fight someone who knew sorceries AND incantations. Who could that be? Radagon, who studied both. This is just more evidence of Ranni's plotting. She knew she planned to attack the Golden Order, and equipped her knights for war.
Yeah and they probably guessed the academy would one day attempt a revolt from within.
Cool video. I never actually used Adula's Moonblade (I used a paladin build), so I never saw that bit about the knightly oath. There's always something new to find.
On an unrelated note, could you try figuring out what the deal is with the bats and the freaky harpies with the Latin song? As far as I can tell, the harpies are not mentioned anywhere in game, but this still feels like it could have some lore significance.
The Carian armor looks great except for that weird bit on top of the helmet that looks like a chess piece.
Would have been nice for some kind of crescent moon ornamentation, but the rest makes it one of my favorite sets
@@zenebean agreed, it's like the basic knight armor was rebuilt in the style of Raya Lucaria. Like how Miquella made his sword in the Carian style but replaced the glintstone with Erdtree amber.
battle mage and spell sword always been popular metas for dark souls games. it just turned out carian knights have someone of the best armor for being a spell sword which makes sense since ya know they are literal spell swords.
The slap chop for 3000 damage was also a thing.
Didn't realize the right one in the thumbnail was a troll for a bit lol but always love vids on my favorite knight faction👌
Concerning the headless giants around the belfries: if their swords can be wielded basic model trolls then it would reason that the headless trolls are not knights.
12:15 - Hell, I still enjoy the Carian Knight build from time to time.
Great video, and wonderfully put together with a great theory on why they fell apart. But its a common theory that the the royal ties with the trolls go Back to the time of the astrologers.
Trolls were not the only non-humans who made up the ranks of the Carian Knights. Albanaurics too were among their ranks if you believe the theory that Loretta herself was an albanauric.
Thank you for all the Elden Ring lore. I love listening and watching your videos!
Do you have a lore video on Blaidd?
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I never thought of Adula as a knight of Ranni till you read that description. Stretch, perhaps, but not necessarily as big as it seems.
Just imagining the War for Liurnia with essentially Spellblades vs Paladins get me hyped lol
Carian Knight, Darkmoon Greatsword and Age of Stars is the best Elden Ring RP playthrough.
FINALLY THIS IS OUT
What about the Carian Knight Armor set in front of a tombstone in Raya Lucaria? Is it has any link to the Carian Family or it is just there for player to grab it.
Also, what if some of the Carian Knight becomes a Tarnished, droves outside the Lands Between before coming back to rescue Carian Royal Family? Maybe that's a good reason to cosplay as Carian Knight and choose Age of the Stars ending.
one thing to keep in mind. The Carian Royal Family coud've had cousisns and other branches that lived with Rennala and Radagon.
Maybe when Rennala became Queen of Liurnia, she raised her sisters up to the level of "Princess", and she had neices also given that title, possibly after her sisters passed away? If it became a hereditary thing in these "lesser" royals that would allow the establishment of the Matriarchal style of title inheritance the Carians had.
The Shattering War probably devastated most of the Carian Family itself. Leaving only the "main" royals of Queen Rennala, Princess Ranni, Rykard, and Radahn alive while all their relatives were killed in the Liurnian civil war, maybe hunted by Knights of the Cuckoo and Academy traitors.
There is also another troll knight outside the rise located above the black knife catacombs.
Never mind you noticed lol
I thought the trolls and dragon, while reconized as knights, were different that the actual carian knights which were humans, and they were the ones that numbered fewer than 20. I may be wrong, idk.
I used to think this is well, but Carian knight bols was a troll, so it's fair to assume trolls were among their ranks
@@square-table-gaming that's true. A cool consept may be that Bols was exceptional and therefore rose into the carian knight from the lower troll knights. The reason I think this is no other carian trolls are referred to as carian knights except him.
@@cjmurphy7967 there is a nearly identical troll in Carian knight armor inside Caria Manor just before Loretta. I don't think we should assume that troll was not a night just because they aren't named.
Never even considered Adula as a knight until now, awesome video as always
Greatest magic knights in gaming
any idea where there is knife lions in 3 different castles (sol, stormveil, redmane) is there any connection between the three since godrick, radahn and lighting foot boi dont seem to have any good connections
I would like to see page lore one of the enemies you can find around in elden ring a bit.
Carian Knight hits the dab
could you also do a video on the uhl ruins and the weird gravel men, what are they all about
thanks for your effort. much love.
You never disappoint
carian knight aka second best knight in the series.
Who the best knights?
@@travisasselta9140 the black knight from dark souls
@@sueflewelling3657Chad demon hunters > int builds.
I like to think that the carian knights have the most “souls-like” appearance. It may be just me but I see a resemblance to Oscar, knight of Astora, from DS1.
I saw a comment about oaths to Renalla trolls wolfs bloodhound knight and Adula well if you pay attention Renallas dragon breathes FIRE Adula does not looks like she had more dragons to serve her, second Moongrum has the Academy Glintstone Staff not the one you said which is odd since he is carian knight he should have Carian Glintstone Staff I don't know if this is FS mistake or not but still I find it strange, one more thing there is a troll near the Frenzy tower that guards a tower that if I remember correctly you need the twinsage glintstone crown to enter it I don't know why he guards that.
Great video as always keep up the good work 👌
I feel like jerren was a carian knight meant to serve radahn
Loretta is the Carian equivalent to a Tree Sentinel
Or Rennala has sisters or nieces , so they could be considered princesses
Would be awesome if Rennala preserved her sanity and player character could join Carian Knights like they do with Mohg's Bloody Fingers. These game has too many interesting covenants not to have anything similar to covenant system
The troll hiding in next to the wall on the way to Mourne is only combatative if provoked by you ore the Servant Riff-Raff Butchers. Thought moat likely just a servant wagon puller trying to survive.
The Carian knight's more ornate plate gear explains the situation better. One or 2 pieces change explanation when rethreaded by Bok.
The Carian knights started turning on the family. The male's thought too much power held by the knights. Mages had their Stone Mage Masons Club judging and turning on each group felt not proper. After the queens depression set in.
The Radagon leaving thing was like a Greek Myth of Tiresias. The male and female roles reversed.
I need his outfit at the beginning!
Theory Time
Who are the known Carian Knights?
~With presumably 19 or less knights I wanted to theorize who and what roles these knights played by on the time we encounter them.
1) Moongrum ~ Rennala's Knight: Protects the Queen of Caria even to this day
Sub-Theory 1: Moongrum is the current captain/leader of the Knights, well sort off, as currently the order is disbanded and their knights follow their own objectives now
Sub-Theory 2: Moongrum is Rennala's Jailer; hard to imagine but details indicate that the academy itself imprisoned Rennala when they turned against her, and what better way to imprison her is with a traitorous knight of Caria. Why would Moongrum betray Rennala and the family is most likely due to Radagons own betrayal and Rennala's own descent to madness over the amber egg. A notable thing to support this is the presence of Lazuli Scholars,
Lazuli Scholars supports the idea of the moon being equal to the stars and are known to practice carian sorceries as they are the scholars waiting to be knighted. It is either disillusioned scholars that thought they are never going to be Carian Knights or led by a traitorous Carian Knight is why they would oppose Rennala. Thankfully not all of the Lazuli Scholars allied themselves with the Academy, with some defending the Manor till our arrival.
2) Bols ~ Carian Troll Knight: [Fact] Imprisoned by the Cuckoo Knights;
[Theory:] Most likely the defender of the Kingsrealm Ruins (or what it was before), as due to the vicinity of his gaol from the Ruins and captured Carian Caravan
Sub-Theory: He surrendered which then led his capture, he surrendered most likely when he knew that Rennala was imprisoned at the academy or was captured when the Carian Knights were disbanded
3) Unknown Carian Troll Knight : Carian Manor Defender
~not much to say about this knight as the placement of said knight, doesn't suggest any other theory for the fact that he serves as one of the last line of defense for the Manor and Ranni
4) Unknown Carian Troll Knight : Defends the Converted Fringe Tower
Theory: This knight was stationed here to prevent scholars of the academy from reaching the Haima spells. These are very powerful spells of battle mages. There is also a distinct lack of Battle Mages inside the the academy, so at some point the scholars tried to acquire more powerful spells for their uprising, the Carians thinking ahead sealed the spells far off the NE and had a Carian Knight to Defend it
5) Unknown Carian Troll Knight Puppet: Sieging the Highway Lookout Tower
The theory is; this knight is perhaps conjured by one of the Loyal Preceptors (Preceptor Miriam) as she is currently defending the Carian Study Hall Tower, and that she is most like trying to take back the Highway Lookout tower from the Academy Scholars that are Garrisoned there. Considering that the encampment looks like a significant one and that the Carian Glint Blade Staff is also located there, one can assume that Carian knights were once Garrisoned here(Outpost) as this road is what connects the Academy~Liurnia with Stormviel~Limgrave.
6) Adula Dragon Carian Knight: [Fact: Dragon that swore allegiance to Ranni]
Theory: Adula is the last or most recent Knight of the Carian Order, as it wasn't until Ranni was the next line of the Family that Adula was bested and then knighted
7) Lorreta Former Carian Knight, Knight of the Haligtree: Once Carian Knight, abandoned her post to find refuge for the Albinauric People, rumored to be an Albinauric herselft.
I believe that Lorreta may represented the Albinauric for the Carian Family and/or knights, as the Carian family treated albinaurics in a more humane conditions, as for example of Pidia an albinauric that helps defend Caria Manor (albeit in a twisted way) and protects the store house within the manor. Lorreta may had high hopes for the Carian Family for the better treatment of the albinaurics (seeing she herself maybe one) but when the Knights and Family fell into disarray she left her post to find refuge for the Albinaurics.
She most likely left during or after the siege of Caria Manor.
8) Unknown Human Carian Knight Ghost:
Not much is known about this knight apart from his/her wish for Ranni to ascend
Sub-Theory: This Ghost Carian Knight, may have been the Former Captain or Leader of the Carian Knight Order
Probable Carian Knights, continued from who are the Carian Knights, these are possibly Carian Knights or were but there aren't much evidence to proven as such, or didn't have enough evidence to be proven as actual knight
9)Warmaster Iji: Ranni's Warmaster and Advisor
Iji along with other of his Troll Brethren were the few that were called upon on by an old oath, however Iji have known Ranni since her childhood as such is the most probable reason as to why he was chosen as Warmaster and advisor. His biggest link as a Carian Knight is he wears the same cloak as the rest of the Carian Troll Knights , with the only difference of him wearing a Mirror Helm
Sub-Theory: Iji is the reason why there is an illusionary wall that blocks access to the Caria Manor at the Kings Realm Ruins, and is the Manor's first line of defense (after the failed Siege of the Cuckoo Knights
10) Preceptor Miriam: Defender of Carian Study Hall
Preceptors work with secrecy for their Carian Monarchs, only when Radaggon was married in to the family that they served other than their monarchs. Considering she's defending the study hall, it is either
a) she was apointed there by Rennala as it's caretaker / defender
b) appointed there by Ranni to defend here during the Night of the Black Knives and subsequent ritual that Ranni partook in, later Miriam would protect the curse mark left behind from said ritual.
Currently Miriam utilize puppets to defend the Study Hall Tower and possibly trying to take back lost ground for the Carian Loyalist (see no. 5)
11) Preceptor Seluvis: Appointed advisor for Princess Ranni / Traitor
Only Included in this list due to his counter part Preceptor Miriam also being on the list
12) Guest Knight / Executioner Jarren: Former Servant of the Carian Royal family
Despite working for the Carian Royal Family, he never really stated to be a Carian knight and only reffered as either a Guest Knight or Guest Commander (Raddahn). He also doesn't display any Carian Knight Sorceries, however considering his skills as a witchhunter and that the Carian Knights were trained to counter mages, Jarren may have been one or the one that trained Carian Knights to powerful Mage killers.
Also he keeps very close ties with the Carian Royal family even after their disarray, even so far to defend Rennala by challenging Sellen when she wanted to usurp the academy
Theoretical Carian Knights
13-15) Beheaded Ghost Troll Knights
Like as mentioned above there are no concrete evidence that these three possible Troll Knights are actual carian troll knights like Bols, however due to Bols gaol location, it can be implied that Bols is one of the four Troll knights that defended the Bellfries and the only one that lived.
16) Onyx / Alabaster Lords
These Lords are known to have taught Raddahn about Gravitational Magic and at least one of them are Located near Caria Manor albeit imprisoned in a Gaol, could it be? that this Alabaster / Onyx Lord that caused the disbandment of the Carian Knights?
Alternatively one of the Alabaster Lords found refuge in the academy while the other one was imprisoned for not taking Carian's Side during the Liurnian Civil War, then again imprisonment can either be: keeping things' out or preventing something from escaping.
17) Sorcerer Rogier
He is well versed in Carian Sorcery and Skills, and considering his history with D a member of the Golden Order. Rogier may have been a Carian Knight at Peace, knighted during peace time at wars end (around the time Rennala & Raddagon were married). Most likely leaving a few years later after finding no glory as a Carian Knight
18) Raddagon of the Golden Order
This mostly theorized due to his Marriage with Rennala, not only that as he is also seen a champion albeit from their adversaries, integrating him into the Carian Knights is a humiliating blow to the Golden Order.
19) The Player (Prisoner Class)
Following the Description of the Prisoner Class, there were once part of the elites and studied Glintstone sorceries. That Glintstone Sorcery is the magic Glint Blade the prototype of Sword Sorceries. This can be implied that the prisoner was a Lazuli Scholar or a Carian Noble of significant Rank or perhaps was once a preceptor. Regardless they would been Knighted and would later be shunned/dishonored and sentenced for imprisonment.
This could lead to different possibilities like:
Perhaps this knight learned of the truth of Raddagon's Secret and would be shunned by Raddagon and be label a traitor by false pretense
or
Perhaps this Knight was the cause of ruin of the Carian Knight Order, leading for his imprisonment
The possibilities are endless
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Finally lets go
What’s really crazy to me is the sheer size it’s implied the lands between is, it’s my opinion since all these different cultures and factions needed space to develop that the lands between is actually 4-10xs as large as depicted in game, leading there to be more settlements we don’t know about and the expansion of others like Leyndell which is properly atleast twice as big
turns out lendyell was twice the size if you compare the overworld side of the map to the underside, what do see? the nameless city just below the area that is suspiciously empty in lendyell and the entrance to lenydell leads to nothing, on top of that, the nameless cities architecture maches that of lower lendyell and the town of sorcery in Calied
Nice video to wake up to.
My thoughts on the Carian Knights
A group of powerful magic wielding knights, sworn to defend the Carian Royals, ultimately fell into disarray after Radagon left for Marika, Rennala lost herself to the Amber Egg and their children went their separate ways
There wasn’t much, hell ANYTHING left worth defending
And yet the knights defended, they swore their lives to this cause
I can respect that, I can also respect their power and their loyalty, but above all, I respect their magic and designs, the Carian Knight armour is the best armour set, HANDS DOWN, and their sorceries, they wielded some powerful and magnificent magic, who else can say their magic gives them a giant lightsaber?
And as for why the Carian Knight Build is so popular, it’s because it’s a fun and strong build that still isn’t TOO strong
If we’re helping Ranni why do we have to fight Adula? I wouldn’t call any faction “heroes”, I have a very strict and pure concept of a true hero and the Carians are evil in their own way.
Because Adula likely has no idea what's going on, and without any contravening directives, is just doing what it thinks it should to protect her/ her ancestral home.
"Hero" is a subjective term, as is "good" for that matter, and no one is good or evil all the time. The Carians did some f*cked up stuff, but then pretty much everyone in the lands between did something misanthropic - what I suspect you mean by evil (except Boc, I guess) - as has every society ever. The knights were 'true heroes' of Caria, clearly intelligent, skilled, and noble in their society, but not necessarily by our current sensibilities.
I find it sad that the carian knights sword can't actually be used as a catalyst
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Blaidd's Set Altered with the Blue Noble Hood
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For those saying Adula or others can't be knights, this isn't necessarily true. Who can or can't confer knighthood depends greatly on the number of factors including the specific governmental and social structure, the time period, the type and definition of knighthood within that particular society, and a number of other factors. Any head of state, monarch or otherwise, can confer a knighthood recognized by that state, can invest any designate they choose with the ability to confer knighthood, and there can be multiple levels of knighthood. We simply don't know enough about Carian or Liurnian society at the time all this occurred to draw definitive conclusions about who was allowed to do what, and you shouldn't assume the rules are the same as current British royalty, as those rules have changed through history as well. It's really a shame, because I find the history of the Carians to be the most irksomely lacking lore in the game. Parts of item lore indicate one generation of royalty, where others imply many generations. Clearly, the Carian family was far larger than its known members, and they were a significant power in Liurnia long before Rennala came along.
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Adula being a knight has caveats. She swore a knightly oath to Ranni. You can't just say you're a knight, you have to be knighted my the reigning monarch.
Rennala is still alive, so this means she would have to have had her wits to knight a dragon. Ranni is effectively at best the Steward of Caria, so she does not have the power to knight anyone.
So I would want to see some sort of information that could back up the knighthood better than "This grumpy lizard got her ass kicked and declared herself a protector of the realm."
Perhaps if Fortissax was referred to as a Knight of the Golden Order or something, it might lend some credence to the "we just let the dragons do what they want" self-knighting action.
Though it does make me giggle at the thought of all the possible bureaucratic structures of Caria. Rykard, Radahn, and Ranni sitting there, forming a sort of "Mom should be in a nursing home" tribunal counsel.
Ranni spoke up, "I have kickethed the ass of a large lizard and now she wants a knighthood."
"Well... I would speak up, but if I do, my whole snake-deity thing would be in question, so sure, knight the thing," Rykard commented flippantly.
"Can Leonard be a knight too?" Radahn asked.
Ranni sighed.
Rykard sigh-hissed.
"Verily, that mightest as well happen," Ranni acquiesced.
Radahn happily horse-girl clapped in joy.
Perhaps Loretta left because of Rykard’s treatment of her kin…?
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I was so disappointed how weak Melina was melikeh was stronger
What?
Who path ages of stars .
good video is it ok if I ask you a question?
Go for it
@@square-table-gaming ok do you think malenia is a shadow to Miquella like how blaidd is to ranni?
@@sueflewelling3657 Sort of yes. Empyreans are gifted their shadows by the two fingers, but Miquella and Malenia are different. They're twins, two half's of a whole, both incomplete due to their curses. Malenia chose to be Miquelas blade, filling the role of shadow.
@@square-table-gaming Do you think that the twins are cursed because their parents are the same being so they’re essentially products of incest?
It's absolutely possible that the reason they could be made vessels for other outer gods is because of their incestuous roots.
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Bols. You pronounced it "bowls" but i beg to differ. It is in fact pronounced "balls."
I love these videos but I get taken out of them when you say cucko instead of cuckoo knights
I recently made a prisoner/spellblade/carian knight and among all my orhers characters it's my favorite lore accurate character that I've made with the oath the Carian Royal Family.