KISS ...IS .... PRINCE .....End of Story ... Along with ... WENDY’s facial expressions n guitar playing in the Video Monique Mannen , the Veiled Dancer
The audio is clear. The composition is in that short demo. Brown Mark rearranged, but didnt co-write (and I think he should be credited/paid for that - David Z got the credit). Andy Summers claimed co-writing credits on ´Every breath you take´ too, but it was another kind of (a very strong) arrangement.
@@ApolloSol in songwriting, what defines a song is the melody and maybe sometimes, harmony. And Prince demo had it complete. Ed Sheeran basically sampled the entire rhythm section of Marvin Gaye´s "Let´s get it on" and the court didnt consider it plagiarism because the melody was entirely different.
Either way “Kiss” still wouldn’t have been a hit without Prince’s(r.i.p.) involvement, lead vocals & funky rhythm guitar which turned it into a number #1 hit on the billboard Hot 100. PLUS he was the CREATOR of it!
True, but if Mark didn't take the song in that direction Prince wouldn't have been inspired to do what he did. Mark should've gotten co-writer credit and money for it.
@@kcoolmuziq: Wow. You are an even dumber fuck than I thought. And what's with the constant "R.I.P" after his name? We all know he's dead. You're not breaking any news, dumb ass!
First of all thank u Michael Dean! U came through once again. Made it all lighthearted. Also i love love me some BrownMark no lie. His voice is outta here to me. I just would love to hear what Prince heard when he finished with it. Also did he help write the lyrics? Did Prince steal lyrics from another artist? Just have a few questions thats all. I hope its in the book.
Steal the lyrics from another artist? Most of the lyrics are in Prince's original acoustic demo. If he stole the lyrics for the second verse, no one has ever come forward to say so...so either, Mazarati and David Z came up with them or Prince had them written down somewhere.
Appolonia claims to have "co-written" the lyrics to Manic Monday with Prince and never rec'd credit. Also, Morris Day supposedly wrote "Uptown" or "Party Up" and Prince compensated him with a record deal for the Time.
I actually watched the official Kiss music video yesterday.👑🎸 I guess Mark is saying he should have got credit for co writing it....amazing how everybody waited until after P. to write a book📙.
They may not have had any interest in writing a book but then when he died they realized they could be next and never have told their stories as well. It happens.
David Z did get credits for arrangement and if his account is correct, he did quite a bit. Prince wrote the demo, had David and Mazarati do their thing, came back and did his thing to the song, gave credits to David Z and himself...but not much to Mark. Not sure why.
Not taking anything away from Prince but I can understand Marks frustration - that song was alright until that production kicked in. Whether it’s arranging or composing that “bottom-end” of the song is all Mark & David Z - and THAT is the song
It's was in its demo stages. Who's to say what the Mazarati version would have became, once finished especially if Prince told them to sing in aFalsetto.
“You did all of that in 4 hours?” This is the key to the story. BrownMark didn’t see the vision. Didn’t like it for Maserati or Prince. He never said that he told Prince that the song should be sung in a falsetto or a higher register, and all of that suggest that Prince did a significant amount in 4 hours. More than he would have thought. Plus the skeleton of the song is all there in the demo.
He says here that he didn't like the demo when Prince brought it to him and didn't want it for Mazarati it sounds to me Maybe and i said maybe Brownmark wrote a different version but when Prince created the final product himself and it became a hit.... then BrownMark suddenly wanted a piece of it.... Sorry Kiss is all Prince!!
This explains a LOT about the things that I read about and noticed back then, as well as other things I've heard since then about the stuff going on behind the scenes in that time period. Now, IIRC, Wendy is claiming that she was responsible for the well-known riff before Prince says "Kiss" each time in the song. I'm not inclined to disbelieve her. Prince has a lot in common with Frank Zappa in that they both conveniently forgot to give writing credit to those who participated in the process.
Oh oh! I just listened to it again! So he is saying Prince gave him the song to sing with his band, then took it for himself? Wow, I hope with all my heart it was some kind of misunderstanding. Wow, that's tough to take.
I went and listened to it also, I don't think the way Mark arranged it, it would have had hit for Mazarati, the arrangement fit Prince better. Just like Jerk Out ended up for the Time, but Mazarati had that first too. I wish they had expounded on that 100mph sound Prince gave them cause that was money for them imo
AFAIK, this was always the story behind Kiss. Prince wrote it, gave it to Brownmark, liked what he did to it so much that he took it back. Mazerati is credited for the background vocals, which he reused in his version.
Trying to dig up beef right of the bat: "Tell me what it was like when y'all worked on KISSSS", knowing that that's a little bit of a sore spot for everyone involved LoL...I would like to know who in the Prince camp had heard "Got To Be a Man" by The Rocketeers before & was inspired by the arrangement
On the radio Jimmy Jam said BM wrote it. I knew he was not correct and wondered how he did not know the real story. Prince is genius and thanks BM for your contribution to the song. However, the version before Prince did his final touches was not as good as the final Sorry BM for your not getting any credit. However, if your book will be criticizing Prince after all these years, I probably won't buy it. I stopped buying books from people needing to tell the world about their issues with Prince.
You cannot tell someone not to speak of their experiences! Whether the stories make Prince look bad or not, it is their experience with him. Prince was known for giving basic tracks to his band-mates and telling them to vibe with it. They would do all of this work on the track and Prince would take all of the credit. It is a common theme being told from a lot of his former band-mates, who played with him during the early years. Yes, he was a musical genius. However, he did not do "All" of the work by himself, with no input from the people around him. Wendy and Lisa were some of his biggest inspirations and collaborators. However, they got little writing credits for the hundreds of songs they collaborated on with Prince.
Sooo, am I understanding that the majority of you think Prince did nothing wrong? That Brownmark didn’t deserve a dime or a mention in regards to Kiss? Hmmm...ok. And you’d be just as cool with it if you were in his shoes? Because it’s Prince? Aight. Smh
That is not what they are saying. They are saying that Brown is overstating his importance in the composition of the song. If you read David Z's account of what he did to that song, David Z did quite a lot and his credits for arrangement were given in the liner notes.. Prince's demo has the first verse, the chorus, the chord progression and the vocal melody. Is Brown claiming he wrote the lyrics to the second verse? Its one thing to say I want my piece of the pie, its another thing to say the whole pie always belonged to me in the first place. Mark has been talking about the Kiss thing for years...but he never took full credit when Prince was alive. It wouldn't be right/correct to start now.
This is very tricky territory, I assume Brownmark was being paid a salary to work for Prince. In real life, if an engineer invents a product on his/her job -- the company owns the rights because the engineer was working as a salaried employee. It sounds like Prince had Revolution members tinkering with songs - that was their job. Brownmark didn't write Kiss, nor was it the final version. For whatever reason, Prince didn't give him a credit -- he's no longer here to tell his side. It's a hard pill to swallow sometimes when you work really hard and don't feel appreciated, I get that. The only thing you can do is strike out on your own which he did, but the highlight of his professional life was being in the Revolution.
@@lavenderbee3611 Wow, this is probably the best explanation I've read. Prince likely DID have them on salary. BUT, if he DIDN'T, then that's where it gets really tricky/messy...cos many contract employees can and are eligible for residual pay so it just depends. Had he taken Prince to court, would Mark have won??
Transposing music was all a part of Prince's genius,... and BM REALLY should've had sumthin put in writing coz when a genius (Like Prince) says "Don't worry, I'll take care of U," u CANNOT count on it 4 not even 1 second!
I don't understand why he is saying that he copy the song from another one, it's a standard blues progression that can be found in thousands of songs...
Very observant, good catch! And you have to wonder, if indeed Prince knew this 'quality' of his 'other side', always the gemini, and used alter egos to blame them for his actions. Much like Camille.
This is so classic. The star ALWAYS gets the credit for songwriting even when studio musicians pr band members had input. But the thing is, Princes's melody and chord progression remain the same thus I don't think BrownMark should get a songwriting credit here. Maybe an arrangement credit.
Wrong! Prince gave Brown Mark a guitar and vocal demo and TOLD HIM to do his thing to it. (Indicating that the pair had apparently done this before.) So Brown Mark went and did exactly what Prince asked, adding all the other instruments and production that made it a fully realized song ready for release. Upon hearing what Brown did, Prince then switched out the vocals, added guitars, removed the bass and KEPT ALL THE REST of what Brown Mark did. So according to this account (from Brown Mark) of what happened, the final released version of "Kiss" that we all know and love, does indeed include production elements by Brown Mark. And if that is the case YES, Brown Mark should have absolutely been credited as a producer or cowriter of the song. But everyone knows how Prince rolls and KNEW he wasn't trying to credit you if you contributed to his stuff. And Brown Mark SHOULD have know better and got the deal/understanding in writing. (Something all of these folks who worked with Prince either never bothered to do or were too afraid to do.) Bottomline: If you are keeping/using any meaningful, important, or significant portion of someone else's work in the final release of a song, they should receive credit. He's just another of the MANY folks that Prince screwed over when it came to giving credit on songs. And apparently that was the unspoken price of getting to be in a band or be in the studio with Prince: any and all genius will be credited to Prince, and ONLY Prince.
Did you know prince. If mark brown has all of this talent how come he was not famous as prince. He wants be more important than he is in the music industry.
BM I get it and I've been in the game a long time, but he gave you his demo and your version is not even close to his final cut. So it's a great story and giving you credit on a poor demo is not going to cut it. Prince was a genius and after hearing your story it's confirmed what I always knew. Thank you for your contributions and I'm still a fan and you guys where blessed to have shared the stage with a phenomenal artists!
If Mazarati has ill will towards Prince because of their failure? They should look at themselves. Prince is the reason I even paid attention to them. Not Brown Mark. Prince period.
I know he was ruthless b and always wanted full credit for everything causing many band members to leave. He'd have a replacement all ready to go. Who do you think he learned this from? Ala James Brown
BrownMark stop ! You contributed to the ARRANGEMENT! Maybe ! The melody and the chords are evident on the demo. That’s songwriting. For crying out loud. And the fact that you threw in the part that it was a blues “ that he took “ from the twenties and thirties is just you trying to throw SHADE ! Ridiculous. I’m not drinking the Revolution Kool Aid. So many people have been trying to rewrite history since he passed. “ we were co writers “ bull - lot of people who resented the fact that Prince kept moving on from them. He kept evolving and STILL had hits. No matter what lineup he was with.
Thank you for clarifying that ... he Contributed to “ Writing Kiss” .. what the heck .. I don’t think sooo .. So sad people Still beefing to Steal from Prince ....
Not co-writing at all. Like you said, the melody and chords were already there. I believe he should have been credited/paid, if it was the case, but for arrangements. It seems only David Z got the credits for that.
@@stephaniemeals4983 BrownMark himself said that. He said Prince wrote that demo. It´s all there. Melody, chords. That´s composition. Mark only changed arrangement.
Prince could be an asshole. Everyone knows that. He complained about record companies cheating artists, but he dogged his own employees. I wish people would stop all the idol worshipping and tell the truth.
@@user-gi6ee8vj1y thats so interesting. Everyone has faults, some more than others. I think its just hard to let someone say things about an artist u only saw one way. It seems so easy for everyone to say bad things about him. But when he was living He Never used names and called no one out that I remember. I know he probably did things that he regret it later on in his life. I still think he is one of the greatest singers and Entertainers that ever lived. I still cry about him being gone. People just don't want to feel betrayed. Its like finding out ur dad was a killer once he been dead for years. I would have loved to hear Prince answer all these allegations about him and he can't. That makes it extra hard. Dead man can't talk. Therefore anyting I hear bad about him, from anyone, I take with a grain of salt.
Angela Roberts Good point and well said. I doubt that Mark Brown Co Wrote Kiss..It’s just Old Friends For Sale! he’s Probably short on the dough. He’s left it a bit late, waiting till Prince died..huh don’t add up
TBH - the Brownmark version still sounded quite stodgy - nothing like a hit. Prince brought it to life in those 4 hours. You are looking at a basic composer and a genius composer. However, Brownmark should still have got co-credit for the drum beat and xylophone-like riff since Prince did use them.
Appears Prince seemed to have done this to others, from Andre, to Dez, to Morris maybe, so, it sucks, Prince should have given him at least a handsome bonus. And if it was 'us', Prince & The Revolution, then The Revolution WAS Brownmark. And at other times The Revolution was Wendy & Lisa, other times, Dr. Fink... or part Revolution with other musicians like Sheila, Miko, Levi, in there, along with Eric and Atlanta. Jerome! But TODAY, who's 'The Revolution'? And perhaps, back then, Prince used The Revolution as an umbrella, something like that. To tap into other song ideas and collectively as a body, reap the benefits of 'Prince'. Don't blame you Mark. Who was first to leave the Rev? Mark or Wendy & Lisa? Bobby?
Apart from the obvious evidence in that original demo that Prince wrote the tune, isn't he also saying that Prince insisted they leave the studio whilst he did the actual arrangement, making this statement that he co-wrote this a tad disingenuous..? Seems to me that all this guy did was get a studio session up and running, and getting the arrangement to the point where THE WRITER came and finished it.. so sure, get paid for part of the arrangement you actually did, but that aint writing the song.. oh and look, he's got a book coming out..
KISS ...IS .... PRINCE .....End of Story ...
Along with ...
WENDY’s facial expressions n guitar playing in the Video
Monique Mannen , the Veiled Dancer
Truth!! Luv Wendy’s expressions the humour
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The audio is clear. The composition is in that short demo. Brown Mark rearranged, but didnt co-write (and I think he should be credited/paid for that - David Z got the credit). Andy Summers claimed co-writing credits on ´Every breath you take´ too, but it was another kind of (a very strong) arrangement.
How is it rearranging when you're adding structural instruments? Didn't even have drums.
@@ApolloSol in songwriting, what defines a song is the melody and maybe sometimes, harmony. And Prince demo had it complete. Ed Sheeran basically sampled the entire rhythm section of Marvin Gaye´s "Let´s get it on" and the court didnt consider it plagiarism because the melody was entirely different.
Brown Mark is fire period
Fire?? He should be well known like Jimmy and Terry thats what you call FIRE
Genius why PRINCE was special
nice... good direction to go in... you could do these shorties all day with your catalog of content...
What is the opening track that's playing? Sounds fire!
michaeldean.bandcamp.com/track/1987
I've always loved Michael's tracks.
BrownMark has a book coming out.
Of course he does.
i bet they all wanna use his name without his name NO ONE cares peridot
@@strength8015 they have a right to share their stories about Prince. I will definitely buy Mark's book. I wish Wendy or Lisa would write one, too.
Either way “Kiss” still wouldn’t have been a hit without Prince’s(r.i.p.) involvement, lead vocals & funky rhythm guitar which turned it into a number #1 hit on the billboard Hot 100.
PLUS he was the CREATOR of it!
True, but if Mark didn't take the song in that direction Prince wouldn't have been inspired to do what he did. Mark should've gotten co-writer credit and money for it.
Of course not. They're both responsible for it as it David Z
You act like NO ONE can write a hit song but Prince. You sound ridiculous. LOL.
@@Igaveyoumyfakename This topic is about “KISS” (Whom Prince(r.i.p.) wrote) so what the HELL are U talking about? Or are U just being a hater?
@@kcoolmuziq: Wow. You are an even dumber fuck than I thought. And what's with the constant "R.I.P" after his name? We all know he's dead. You're not breaking any news, dumb ass!
Wait how did you find the acoustic version from wow
Been floating around for years.
U can hear it on UA-cam.
Just ordered the book and waiting for a good read.
First of all thank u Michael Dean! U came through once again. Made it all lighthearted. Also i love love me some BrownMark no lie. His voice is outta here to me. I just would love to hear what Prince heard when he finished with it. Also did he help write the lyrics? Did Prince steal lyrics from another artist? Just have a few questions thats all. I hope its in the book.
Steal the lyrics from another artist? Most of the lyrics are in Prince's original acoustic demo. If he stole the lyrics for the second verse, no one has ever come forward to say so...so either, Mazarati and David Z came up with them or Prince had them written down somewhere.
@@sdatkins2676 Thank u.😀 I'm just trying to get an understanding of whats being said.
Appolonia claims to have "co-written" the lyrics to Manic Monday with Prince and never rec'd credit. Also, Morris Day supposedly wrote "Uptown" or "Party Up" and Prince compensated him with a record deal for the Time.
I actually watched the official Kiss music video yesterday.👑🎸 I guess Mark is saying he should have got credit for co writing it....amazing how everybody waited until after P. to write a book📙.
This has been know long before he died.
@@daddysmooth1000 Right...but not his book...thats coming out after.
They may not have had any interest in writing a book but then when he died they realized they could be next and never have told their stories as well. It happens.
That sounds great. I like that acoustic Kiss.
Wow. He should have gotten credit though.
I like the acoustic one too. I would buy it..
I want 2 hear more mutiny stories 2
That's the way it goes in the music business .
That's the way it goes when you work for a "friend" and don't have a written contract.
Does anybody know the name of the song at the end of this clip starting at about 05:19?
Marques Travae “100 MPH”
Was this spoke of/written about when P was alive?
Brown mark and David z Should get there credit,prince though was gonna do what he was gonna do, typical industry politics
David Z did get credits for arrangement and if his account is correct, he did quite a bit. Prince wrote the demo, had David and Mazarati do their thing, came back and did his thing to the song, gave credits to David Z and himself...but not much to Mark. Not sure why.
@@sdatkins2676 talking about co production and kiss musically sticks out like a sore thumb on parade just like party up on dirty mind
Not taking anything away from Prince but I can understand Marks frustration - that song was alright until that production kicked in. Whether it’s arranging or composing that “bottom-end” of the song is all Mark & David Z - and THAT is the song
Am I the only who heard "actual song where he took it from "???
Yes! 🤣 I sure haven't but i would love to know how to. 😊
Yeah, I peeped that lol. Low-key jab...
To me the mazarati version lacked something. It’s sounds like a karaoke version of Prince’s version.
the vocal is problematic, the guitar solo is muffled.
I'm curious to listen to that version. I never heard it before.
@Bob George I just listened to it. Thank You
That is what Mark says: even after the overhaul, the song still didn't sound fitting.
It's was in its demo stages.
Who's to say what the Mazarati version would have became, once finished especially if Prince told them to sing in aFalsetto.
“You did all of that in 4 hours?”
This is the key to the story. BrownMark didn’t see the vision. Didn’t like it for Maserati or Prince. He never said that he told Prince that the song should be sung in a falsetto or a higher register, and all of that suggest that Prince did a significant amount in 4 hours. More than he would have thought. Plus the skeleton of the song is all there in the demo.
Lol he did the same to Andre Cymone, and supposedly to Jesse Johnson..Prince definitely was over competitive
He says here that he didn't like the demo when Prince brought it to him and didn't want it for Mazarati it sounds to me Maybe and i said maybe Brownmark wrote a different version but when Prince created the final product himself and it became a hit.... then BrownMark suddenly wanted a piece of it.... Sorry Kiss is all Prince!!
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The mazerati version is out there on UA-cam, so judge for yourself if Brownmark has a part in the final version or not.
@@rinse-esnir4010 what do i look it up under plz?
This explains a LOT about the things that I read about and noticed back then, as well as other things I've heard since then about the stuff going on behind the scenes in that time period. Now, IIRC, Wendy is claiming that she was responsible for the well-known riff before Prince says "Kiss" each time in the song. I'm not inclined to disbelieve her. Prince has a lot in common with Frank Zappa in that they both conveniently forgot to give writing credit to those who participated in the process.
Kiss was 1 of the funkiest songs ever. Wow, 2 hear that acoustic demo version was cool. Prince reworked that sucker.
Brown Mark re-worked that sucker. Prince re-worked what Brown Mark did. BM should have received credit.
Oh oh! I just listened to it again! So he is saying Prince gave him the song to sing with his band, then took it for himself? Wow, I hope with all my heart it was some kind of misunderstanding. Wow, that's tough to take.
I went and listened to it also, I don't think the way Mark arranged it, it would have had hit for Mazarati, the arrangement fit Prince better. Just like Jerk Out ended up for the Time, but Mazarati had that first too. I wish they had expounded on that 100mph sound Prince gave them cause that was money for them imo
AFAIK, this was always the story behind Kiss. Prince wrote it, gave it to Brownmark, liked what he did to it so much that he took it back.
Mazerati is credited for the background vocals, which he reused in his version.
@@rinse-esnir4010 ok so he did give him some credit? Thx! That made my day..😉
Trying to dig up beef right of the bat: "Tell me what it was like when y'all worked on KISSSS", knowing that that's a little bit of a sore spot for everyone involved LoL...I would like to know who in the Prince camp had heard "Got To Be a Man" by The Rocketeers before & was inspired by the arrangement
Name another #1 song or Billboard Top 50 hit song Brown Mark co-wrote or co-produced after 'Kiss?'
....exactly.
On the radio Jimmy Jam said BM wrote it. I knew he was not correct and wondered how he did not know the real story. Prince is genius and thanks BM for your contribution to the song. However, the version before Prince did his final touches was not as good as the final
Sorry BM for your not getting any credit. However, if your book will be criticizing Prince after all these years, I probably won't buy it. I stopped buying books from people needing to tell the world about their issues with Prince.
Me too 👊👊👊
You cannot tell someone not to speak of their experiences! Whether the stories make Prince look bad or not, it is their experience with him. Prince was known for giving basic tracks to his band-mates and telling them to vibe with it. They would do all of this work on the track and Prince would take all of the credit. It is a common theme being told from a lot of his former band-mates, who played with him during the early years. Yes, he was a musical genius. However, he did not do "All" of the work by himself, with no input from the people around him. Wendy and Lisa were some of his biggest inspirations and collaborators. However, they got little writing credits for the hundreds of songs they collaborated on with Prince.
@@jazzbquick389 I doubt I have power to tell anyone what to do. However, I can express my opinion.
@@shockadellick Exactly!!
I couldnt agree more. These books that come flooding out after Prince's death are bullshit.
Wow 😥
Sooo, am I understanding that the majority of you think Prince did nothing wrong? That Brownmark didn’t deserve a dime or a mention in regards to Kiss? Hmmm...ok. And you’d be just as cool with it if you were in his shoes? Because it’s Prince? Aight. Smh
That is not what they are saying. They are saying that Brown is overstating his importance in the composition of the song. If you read David Z's account of what he did to that song, David Z did quite a lot and his credits for arrangement were given in the liner notes.. Prince's demo has the first verse, the chorus, the chord progression and the vocal melody. Is Brown claiming he wrote the lyrics to the second verse? Its one thing to say I want my piece of the pie, its another thing to say the whole pie always belonged to me in the first place. Mark has been talking about the Kiss thing for years...but he never took full credit when Prince was alive. It wouldn't be right/correct to start now.
This is very tricky territory, I assume Brownmark was being paid a salary to work for Prince. In real life, if an engineer invents a product on his/her job -- the company owns the rights because the engineer was working as a salaried employee. It sounds like Prince had Revolution members tinkering with songs - that was their job. Brownmark didn't write Kiss, nor was it the final version. For whatever reason, Prince didn't give him a credit -- he's no longer here to tell his side. It's a hard pill to swallow sometimes when you work really hard and don't feel appreciated, I get that. The only thing you can do is strike out on your own which he did, but the highlight of his professional life was being in the Revolution.
@@lavenderbee3611 Wow, this is probably the best explanation I've read. Prince likely DID have them on salary. BUT, if he DIDN'T, then that's where it gets really tricky/messy...cos many contract employees can and are eligible for residual pay so it just depends. Had he taken Prince to court, would Mark have won??
@@bOmBAsTiK It would not have made it to court. Prince would have settled.
Transposing music was all a part of Prince's genius,... and BM REALLY should've had sumthin put in writing coz when a genius (Like Prince) says "Don't worry, I'll take care of U," u CANNOT count on it 4 not even 1 second!
May I ask how do u know?
Agreed he was a genius, although I'd replace that with "shark" (like Prince) in this instance. Dude was savage...
I don't understand why he is saying that he copy the song from another one, it's a standard blues progression that can be found in thousands of songs...
In Prince's own words "Jamie Starr is a thief " lol
Good point 👍😊
Very observant, good catch! And you have to wonder, if indeed Prince knew this 'quality' of his 'other side', always the gemini, and used alter egos to blame them for his actions. Much like Camille.
This is so classic. The star ALWAYS gets the credit for songwriting even when studio musicians pr band members had input. But the thing is, Princes's melody and chord progression remain the same thus I don't think BrownMark should get a songwriting credit here. Maybe an arrangement credit.
Wrong! Prince gave Brown Mark a guitar and vocal demo and TOLD HIM to do his thing to it. (Indicating that the pair had apparently done this before.) So Brown Mark went and did exactly what Prince asked, adding all the other instruments and production that made it a fully realized song ready for release. Upon hearing what Brown did, Prince then switched out the vocals, added guitars, removed the bass and KEPT ALL THE REST of what Brown Mark did. So according to this account (from Brown Mark) of what happened, the final released version of "Kiss" that we all know and love, does indeed include production elements by Brown Mark. And if that is the case YES, Brown Mark should have absolutely been credited as a producer or cowriter of the song. But everyone knows how Prince rolls and KNEW he wasn't trying to credit you if you contributed to his stuff. And Brown Mark SHOULD have know better and got the deal/understanding in writing. (Something all of these folks who worked with Prince either never bothered to do or were too afraid to do.) Bottomline: If you are keeping/using any meaningful, important, or significant portion of someone else's work in the final release of a song, they should receive credit. He's just another of the MANY folks that Prince screwed over when it came to giving credit on songs. And apparently that was the unspoken price of getting to be in a band or be in the studio with Prince: any and all genius will be credited to Prince, and ONLY Prince.
I love Prince! But if this is true, not cool. Grimy. I am learning why he may have had enemies.
As much of as musical genius that he was, Prince was also kind of a douche to the people who trusted him.
Did you know prince. If mark brown has all of this talent how come he was not famous as prince. He wants be more important than he is in the music industry.
BM I get it and I've been in the game a long time, but he gave you his demo and your version is not even close to his final cut. So it's a great story and giving you credit on a poor demo is not going to cut it. Prince was a genius and after hearing your story it's confirmed what I always knew. Thank you for your contributions and I'm still a fan and you guys where blessed to have shared the stage with a phenomenal artists!
So, you're saying Mark should've known Prince was bullshitting when he said, "You know I'll take care of you"??
If Mazarati has ill will towards Prince because of their failure? They should look at themselves. Prince is the reason I even paid attention to them. Not Brown Mark. Prince period.
Wow, I guess I need to buy Marks book. Fascinating.
I know he was ruthless b and always wanted full credit for everything causing many band members to leave. He'd have a replacement all ready to go.
Who do you think he learned this from?
Ala James Brown
Tom Jones
BrownMark stop ! You contributed to the ARRANGEMENT! Maybe ! The melody and the chords are evident on the demo. That’s songwriting. For crying out loud. And the fact that you threw in the part that it was a blues “ that he took “ from the twenties and thirties is just you trying to throw SHADE ! Ridiculous. I’m not drinking the Revolution Kool Aid. So many people have been trying to rewrite history since he passed. “ we were co writers “ bull - lot of people who resented the fact that Prince kept moving on from them. He kept evolving and STILL had hits. No matter what lineup he was with.
Thank you for clarifying that ... he Contributed to “ Writing Kiss” .. what the heck .. I don’t think sooo .. So sad people Still beefing to Steal from Prince ....
Mr Joey Whatever your name is. You weren't there so how do you know?!
Not co-writing at all. Like you said, the melody and chords were already there. I believe he should have been credited/paid, if it was the case, but for arrangements. It seems only David Z got the credits for that.
@@stephaniemeals4983 BrownMark himself said that. He said Prince wrote that demo. It´s all there. Melody, chords. That´s composition. Mark only changed arrangement.
Took the words outta my mouth.
some of these stories make prince sound like he was a scrooge
Prince could be an asshole. Everyone knows that. He complained about record companies cheating artists, but he dogged his own employees. I wish people would stop all the idol worshipping and tell the truth.
@@user-gi6ee8vj1y thats so interesting. Everyone has faults, some more than others. I think its just hard to let someone say things about an artist u only saw one way. It seems so easy for everyone to say bad things about him. But when he was living He Never used names and called no one out that I remember. I know he probably did things that he regret it later on in his life. I still think he is one of the greatest singers and Entertainers that ever lived. I still cry about him being gone. People just don't want to feel betrayed. Its like finding out ur dad was a killer once he been dead for years. I would have loved to hear Prince answer all these allegations about him and he can't. That makes it extra hard. Dead man can't talk. Therefore anyting I hear bad about him, from anyone, I take with a grain of salt.
Angela Roberts Good point and well said. I doubt that Mark Brown Co Wrote Kiss..It’s just Old Friends For Sale! he’s Probably short on the dough. He’s left it a bit late, waiting till Prince died..huh don’t add up
Kim Stull Hey there Kim my Purple Friend..I’m Good thanks😊😄💜😘😘
Kim Stull they’re still crawling outta the wood work and that wood is pretty rotten😂😂
If all that is true, how did Prince end up on Mark's album with Bang Bang? Had they "made up" at that point? Why not sue Prince if he "stole" Kiss?
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TBH - the Brownmark version still sounded quite stodgy - nothing like a hit. Prince brought it to life in those 4 hours. You are looking at a basic composer and a genius composer. However, Brownmark should still have got co-credit for the drum beat and xylophone-like riff since Prince did use them.
Okay, I could be wrong... but it seems like Mark didn't care fpr the song until AFTER it became a hit. Kinda sucks to me, but...
I get it but let’s be real nobody could’ve done it better than prince
Appears Prince seemed to have done this to others, from Andre, to Dez, to Morris maybe, so, it sucks, Prince should have given him at least a handsome bonus. And if it was 'us', Prince & The Revolution, then The Revolution WAS Brownmark. And at other times The Revolution was Wendy & Lisa, other times, Dr. Fink... or part Revolution with other musicians like Sheila, Miko, Levi, in there, along with Eric and Atlanta. Jerome! But TODAY, who's 'The Revolution'? And perhaps, back then, Prince used The Revolution as an umbrella, something like that. To tap into other song ideas and collectively as a body, reap the benefits of 'Prince'. Don't blame you Mark. Who was first to leave the Rev? Mark or Wendy & Lisa? Bobby?
At the end of the day if Prince didn’t bring the song it wouldn’t have been a song
Apart from the obvious evidence in that original demo that Prince wrote the tune, isn't he also saying that Prince insisted they leave the studio whilst he did the actual arrangement, making this statement that he co-wrote this a tad disingenuous..? Seems to me that all this guy did was get a studio session up and running, and getting the arrangement to the point where THE WRITER came and finished it.. so sure, get paid for part of the arrangement you actually did, but that aint writing the song.. oh and look, he's got a book coming out..
Prince had the song. Gave them the song. Made it a crappy song. Prince took it HIS song back and re-recorded it making it a hit.
It is a three-chord pop song. If it wasn't a hit, you guys wouldn't be having this conversation.
But in the real world..it was a major hit..hence the convo and...your comment. 😉