"Had Mao died in 1956, his achievements would have been immortal. Had he died in 1966, he would still have been a great man but flawed. But he died in 1976. Alas, what can one say?" -Chen Yun
@@wheresmyeyebrow1608 did you think that this video provides accurate info? im sorry but this is just the average western viewpoint on mao zedong, fueled with propaganda.
my father grew up in the immediate aftermath of the Great Leap Forward and during the Cultural Revolution and he's told me those were particularly hard and bitter times
There is always somebody with "histories" and tales in this kind of video 🤣.... Of course, all those Chinese and farmers that were happy with Mao are going to be a 100% ignored in order to create the anti China narrative 😊
If only the western powers actually left China alone, none of these socialists states would have ever had to go into the defensive to protect themselves from capitalist influence, the thing that brought ruin to their country, exploited and contributed to the whole communist revolution in China and some other countries.
@@NeostormXLMAX the loss of historical artifacts and records has no positive. It is a horrendous removal from the ability to more effectively study history.
Communism says that art work is an illusion built by the bourgeoisie to distract the working class from destroying capitalism. Yes, it’s that horrendously stupid.
The problem with anything Chinese history related is that the numbers tend to be alot bigger compared to the rest of the world the 100 years war between France and England had tiny death tolls compared to even 1 of China's civil wars.
These videos are genius. It starts with 1 million dead in China, then 5 million. Finally 20 million people. Now it's 80 million. Genius.Is there 80 million people in France now?😂
The numbers are pulled out of the ass of rabid anti CCP types. If you look at how they arrived at 80m is by counting falling birth rates as deaths then projecting that forward so saying 80m would exist today without mobilization or these policies. The death rate during the GLF was barely even above India's. 24 v 25 per 1000
The foot binding practice has been officially banned by the Chinese government since the established of the Republic. It was not very effective, but the ban has been gradually become more acted throughout the country.
that's most likely a lie, clearly this video is biased and cites no sources, it's mostly fiction for the anti-china industrial complex that exists in the west
@@wingkeungkong415 No? I think they were talking about such a new ridiculous low for revolutions, killing people based on telling a mango is a mango, far from helping anyone.
@@wingkeungkong415 Tell that to the Quiet Revolution, the Velvet Revolution, the Euromaidan, the Color Revolutions, the Jasmin Revolution, the Revolution that ended the junta in Myanmar and communist rule in Mongolia, the Revolutions that led to the independence of nations like in the Baltics. Reality is unkind to absolutes.
On the note of steel production during the GLF, I remember reading a story about how Mao visited his home village during the campaign and was saddened that a large wooden Buddha statue in the village center he loved growing up was torn down and burned to help meet his steel quota. Just an interesting note on the more human side of an otherwise brutal authoritarian.
My friend's grand parents were doctors during Mao's reign, and got the hell out of China asap. She has a huge dislike for Communism and refuses to visit main land China.
If you look at deaths on a per capita basis, the famines caused by the great leap forward are one of the smaller mass death events in history. Any huge disasters in China are like that, kills millions but barely felt by 98-99% of people. On the other hand, the deadliest man made catastrophe in history (per capita) would be the Great Potato Famine, which killed 1/5th the population of Ireland, displaced another 1/5th, and essentially destroyed the Gaelic language and much of Irish culture. It's probably one of the most devastating ethnic genocides in history, despite its "low" body count. The population of ireland still has not recovered.
The great leap forward resulted with over 10% of the population dying, this was rapidly recovered from because the one child policy was not implemented until 1980 and prior to it China had a birthrate similar to sub-Saharan Africa and the 90%(ish) of the survivors of the Great Leap tended to have much longer lifespans and so the population resumed growth almost immediately. Still, 10% death is something you don't normally see in a nation during peace time outside of a plague and was completely unnecessary and inhumane.
This is the stupidest comment in this comment section. This sort of idea is what led to people in the middle ages to put dangerous chemicals in their faces to look "paler" because that was their standard of beauty. Hope you're really young, cause if you're over 20 and you actually believe this, there is something seriously wrong with you
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE fricken pick a name. Compared to any leader that has never starved or extra-judicially murdered millions of their citizens. 23 million of those deaths weren’t even out of malice, just a consequence of bad agricultural and economic policy.
@@aze94 castro was the leader of a small island in the Caribbean. Tito, of a small country in the Balkans. The USSR and China are massive civilizatory empires. There is no comparison in scale.
Good video Jabzy, but one misleading point in it I noticed. At 6:28, the quote of Mao saying 'when there is not enough to eat, people starve to death. It is better to let half of the people die so that the other half can eat their fill'. This was said 5 years before Yellow River Flood it's presented alongside, and is a metaphor for industrial production rather than anything food-related. It's meant to mean that their industrial plan should focus resources on a smaller number of projects, rather than spreading their resources too thinly.
From discussions with Chinese colleagues about their education and learning about Mao, apparently they learn that it was a massive tragedy but that he had 'good intentions'
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE lol interesting you could have that opinion when even people I've met who were raised in China on Chinese propaganda don't see Mao's 'good results'. Deng Xiaoping fixed Mao's massive failure if anything
And where they were funded? BTW Pol pot and his commies were supplied and supported by NV, Mao China and soviets, they helped to bring Cambodia to comm*nism and kept friends when they were genocided their ppl and invaded only when they were attacked first. It was murica who tried to stop them, and it was NV who helped them to rise power in the first place. If NV didn't help Pol pot and his cummies they wouldn't genocided in the first place commie scum
Some facts may be "controversial", but in general, your understanding of Chinese history is amazing! edit: for example it seems that China is responsible for not recognizing the McMahon line (around 15:55). Actually India pass the McMahon line before the war as well. China did try it best to maintain peace on the border. It's up to you to decide whether it was good enough.
Hey jabzy have you ever considered making a video on saudi arabia on it's start the finding of oil and the conflict between the communist governments and the monarchies ?
@@JabzyJoe this period of history is very interesting. My favourite part about it is how the exiled house of Saud made such a tremendous comeback despite exile to Kuwait. There’s still a spear tip in the walls of one of the buildings Ibn Saud helped to take (it was lodged in during a battle he was a part of) What I really find to be under appreciated in this period is the settlement of the nomadic Bedouins and their role in Saudi society. From the Ikhwan militias to the taken of the grand mosque in the 70s, their impact has been large.
Post WWI Arabia seems ok, until you realize behind the big 5 (Jabal Shamar, Nedj/Saudi, Asir, Yemen and the Hejaz/Hashemite) there were about 27 different tribes. That gets complicated, especially when you mix in the British!
Xi is working on his own cult of personality now. This didn’t work out well last time. A buddy of mine had a professor who had been sent to a farm during the CR. His take, “ it was stupid”
@@PossessedPotatoBird Much more people were born than were killed in China under Mao. We don't know if things would have been better without Mao, but most people in China are benefitting from his legacy. 80 million death (or whatever the death toll is) is indeed a terrible price to pay, but it has already been paid, so there are many Chinese people who are content with enjoying what has already been paid for.
@@PossessedPotatoBird The population of China in 1850 is 430 million, which means that population grew by 28% in the 100 years before Mao. In comparison, in the 25 years under Mao, population grew by 64%. Population growth in China under Mao is among the fastest in Chinese history, largely due to industrialization and modernization. On the other hand, many people actually thought such a rapid growth in population was a bad thing, ergo the post-Mao one-child policy.
@@熊唯嘉 don’t waste your time, those westerners or west worshippers will always say « China BAD ». They hate the chinese deeply and are hypocrites who only seek the downfall of the chinese.
as a Vietnamese, i would like to see how some historian depict my country. VCP and VNQDD made numerous mistaken during their rule that was costly to the people. Modern Vietnam share some character of the lesser year but people trying to bring up event that happen decade ago as a reason to tear down the progress made by the people is stupid at time. Learning from previous mistake is a important factor in growing and developing a nation, learning from past mistake is important for the newer generation to strengthen our future.
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. Please keep this series going forever. I absolutely love this series and have watched previous episodes multiple times. Please more of this series and please don't stop at 10. Please make 100s for this series
It's all just propaganda, for example he blames the locusts on the pest campaign against the sparrows without mentioning that the sparrows themselves were an invasive species that was also a plague on the fields while they still used traditional seed casting methods. And while the pest campaign contributed to the locusts, plagues of locusts have arisen throughout history without any pests campaigns. He also makes no mention of China's long history with famine, and just darts over the year long drought and the flooding of the yellow river which drowned over a million people, washed away stockpiles of food, and drowned the fields. Both of these events were devastating. He also mentions Lysenkoism (close cropping) without mentioning that the KMT had been experimenting with a variety of agricultural methods in different regions as part of an effort to modernize China's agriculture. All the blame is placed on Mao for continuing experiments that were already under way when the revolution happened. Some of those experiments proved disastrous and others beneficial He also says Mao didn't want to know about the famine but when he realized he was being fed faulty reports he started traveling to the affected areas and sending people to study everything they could possibly learn to solve the famine and prevent the next one. And the video says 80 million died but that's a completely made up number from the black book of communism, the actual number of deaths from the famine were around 15 million, and can fluctuate up and down a few depending on what criteria is deemed appropriate. Similar famines had occurred throughout China's history but what made the great famine different was that it affected the whole mainland all at the same time. This guy's basically just an anti-communist liberal who read the Black Book of Communism and took everything in it at face value without doing any additional research or scrutinizing it, so you may as well just listen to that on audiobook. Two of the authors cited on the cover denounced it btw, and said the author who put it together was obsessed with exaggerating death tolls to get the highest numbers possible.
“If history teaches us anything, it is simply this: every revolution carries within it the seeds of its own destruction. And empires that rise will one day fall.” - Princess Irulan (Dune, Frank Herbert)
I must disagree with this France revolution did not destroy France Just made France became the biggest power in European Chinese revolution just make China become the biggest power in Asia Maybe later the world
Actually, the death of ordinary Chinese people is not a big issue. The key point is that almost all foreign-educated technical experts who returned to China and university professors who did not follow the Kuomintang to Taiwan died during the Cultural Revolution. Some committed suicide, while others were tortured to death. In many famous Chinese universities, there are memorial halls displaying the photos of those who founded the schools or made outstanding contributions to them. Although their birth dates are different, their death dates are exactly the same. Therefore, after China's reform and opening up, they could only seek technology imports from the West and Japan, as there were virtually no people with basic academic backgrounds in the entire country at that time, having been wiped out during the Cultural Revolution. As a result, the Chinese began to continuously acquire technology through various means, as there was no foundation for research and development. In fact, most Chinese people cannot reflect on the Cultural Revolution and even believe that it was necessary for making China strong. What you see and hear now are mainly the descendants of the perpetrators from that time. Those who had even the slightest dissenting opinions or knowledge and culture from the old era were all killed by these people. Opposing the Cultural Revolution is essentially equivalent to criticizing all Chinese people. Only the descendants of those who do not understand history may have some resentment towards the Cultural Revolution.
Although Mao’s purpose in criticizing The dismissal of Hai Rui was to purge Peng Zhen, the mayor of Beijing, the play was actually written by Wu Han, then deputy mayor of Beijing and a renowned historian specializing in Ming history. He was a sycophant of Mao and at first praised by Mao for this work but ironically became the first victim of the cultural revolution.
I think this era was definitely one of the darkest periods of Chinese modern history but my dad says the stability and peace they got was much preferable than the chaotic warlord era and the Japanese occupation area that his dad had to endure; and that while there were so many needless deaths, the populace grew so substantially that they had to implement the one child policy a few decades later. it’ll be very interesting to see the next period of Chinese history in this series!
Huh? A death is a death. These comments saying the great leap forward was 'not that bad/impactful' are utterly bizarre and kind of disgusting. You do realize that Mao's "mismanagement" consisted of executing all political dissenters and academics, and causing, without any good reason whatsoever, the deadliest famine in history, right? You make it seem like Mao and the Chinese government at the time had no way of knowing that they were killing off tens of millions of people by mass starvation.
Getting a high body count in China is a bit easy tho with the massive population. Their regional rebellions have a higher kill count than some international wars.
What is your point? Sorry but your comment seems to imply that Mao's genocide is not a big deal or that Mao was not that bad of a dictator since China has a large population, which makes no sense.
Can you please make a video about the Iron Guard as well? It's one of the most weird fascist movements in my opinion. It combined the nazi ideology with christianity and had a death cult. But I only have surface level knowledge.
The number of death during the Great Leap Forward varies dramatically, and it still remains a debatable matter due to the lack of reliable sources. However, it's undoubtable that the Great Leap Forward was a real tragedy. That being said, Mao shouldn't be the only one to blame. People often forget that China was a very poor and backward country with little industrial productivity, and since both US and USSR turned hostile against China, China suffered from trade blockade and the lack of foreign aid and investment(meanwhile Japan, South Korea and Taiwan received much support from US, North Korea received support from USSR).
And let's not forget that Mao was also really successful in the first 5-year plan (the one before the Great Leap Forward) and he increased the output of the agricultural sector. Sure, the Great Leap Forward was catastrophic, but it didn't come with the intention to hurt people, but to improve their lives as fast as possible.
Like Staline for the URSS, the population don't forget the horror he made but won't forget that Staline make a feudal society to the second superpower. Reason why in these day Putin is popular among his population since he manage to raise Russia from the chaos post URSS to a stable society
@@Dageka People often neglect the dilemma that PRC had to deal with: little industrial capability and too many people to feed. To overcome this, the only way would be rapid industrialization. Without sufficient foreign aid or colonies to exploit, it was inevitable that China went through a very tough phase of history, which added with some human error, turned out to be too much a price to pay.
@@Dageka Also, the importance of foreign aid was often underrated. Industrialization requires tons of investment, which means financial and technological support are crucial.
the fact that Mao is revered as some sort of twisted messiah in China to this day is very disturbing, although Stalin is still a god in the eyes of some and his reign of terror was almost as bad. Can't imagine the angry moustache man still being treated as a hero by the modern German government.....
That's due to China's 2000 years of imperial rule beat into people's subconscious to obey one demigod (Emperor, mandated by heaven). Mao just filled that hole left by the collapse of Qing dynasty.
You should do an entire video dedicated to documenting various influential academic, political, and cultural figures who ignorantly (at best) kept singing of Mao, his regime, and his movements’ praises.
I find it funny that while many autocrats blame the U.S. for buying civil activists and academics to stand against their government, they usually do exactly that to the U.S.
Ignorantly? There's a reason Mao is praised to this day, China was in a terrible position before the revolution and it massively improved after it. You can't expect the revolution to magically fix every problem that dates back countless dynasties in a day
@AceFromGorillaz Mao was dead before the limited yet effective market reforms of the 80s and then in the 90s especially. So, no, they're just bubble world living scumbags.
@@Russo-Delenda-Est Americans also heard about imaginary WMDs and killed 500 000 civilians for it. Wouldn't trust what one says or hears for the life of me.
I recommend people learn more about Chiang Kai-shek's regime and the White Terror in KMT-held Taiwan. At least have some balance in looking at the history at the time of the OP video. Same advice goes for today.
Shop owners making a quick buck by cashing in on current trends sounds rather capitalist to me, as does exporting massive amounts of produce for profit
State capitalism. All of this was motivated and justified for the need for economic growth. Same thought process as capitalist repression, just less abstracted and more explicit.
"State capitalism" is, by definition, an oxymoron. Capitalism is when the means of production are privately owned. When the state owns the means of production, there is no private ownership; therefore, what communist apologists call state capitalism makes no sense. It's simply authoritarian collectivism, that is legitimized through the collectivist ideology of communism.
Or maybe 80 million people didn’t die in China. In 1959-1962 period there were 15 million excess deaths above the natural rate. During the cultural revolution death rate was gradually decreasing and no significant excess death is detectable.
lol wtf, 80mil? my dad was born in 1956 and grew up during both the great leap foward and the cultural revolution and although he's told me alot about how even low quality noodles were only reserved for the most special occasions (meat being completely out of the question) the death count is nowhere near as high as people nowadays say it is always interesting to see americans who have never stepped foot on chinese soil in their entire lives act like theyve been through it all in youtube comment sections though
Generally speaking, estimates for total death toll in big tragedies like this become higher the more information is learned. Early estimates usually just include the number of specific individuals which documents describe as having died from the tragedy, and this is crudely extrapolated to the people who weren't well documented as well. But oftentimes, the best-documented people were the least badly hit by tragedy, so that as we learn more about the previously lesser studied populations, our estimate goes up. After that, there's an even bigger thing: Tragedies create ripple effects causing even more deaths, but its difficult to trace any SINGLE person's death to that. For example, my Great Uncle had COPD and died in a hospital, because it was during the height of the recent pandemic so all respirators were taken by COVID patients. If you just count people killed by COVID, my uncle wouldn't be listed. But it is nearly certain that the COVID pandemic indirectly caused or at least contributed to his death. In the past two decades or so, scholars have started to estimate these sorts of indirect deaths and include them in their approximate totals. Looking specifically at The Campaign to Suppress Counter-Revolutionaries, the earliest estimates coming out shortly after Mao's death placed the death toll at about 0.7 million. But as additional previously covered-up deaths were identified, new documents became available to researchers, and deaths from abysmal treatment in slave labor camps were included, that estimate today sits at somewhere between 2 and 5 million--at least 3 times and potentially as much as 7 times higher than what was initially thought. The % increase in death tolls for the Great Famine and Cultural Revolution aren't quite as drastic as those of The Campaign to Suppress Counter-Revolutionaries, but they have increased for for very similar reasons. This isn't unique to discussion of Chinese History. Estimated death tolls for events as variable in nature as The Holocaust, The Black Death, Hurricane Katrina, the US Invasion of Iraq, and British Colonization of India, have all increased over the past years and decades. There isn't a global and/or ""western"" conspiracy to inflate the number of people killed through Mao's totalitarianism and dysfunctional governance. Nor is there a conspiracy to inflate the numbers killed by any other mass-death events. It's just that scholars have more information than they did earlier, and include indirect deaths which had previously been swept under the rug.
I gonna say though. I'm glad I'm American and didn't experience the 3rd world shithole that was China. I would be homeless in the streets and still better off than the average Chinese peasant
Meanwhile you see the real China in the bottom right hand corner and it's just horrible to think the Chinese would be doing infinitely better with them even if the Republic of China was also authoritarian I'm their own manner, however, whatever the Republic of China would've done is still nothing to the brutal absolutely, insane and qusi-demonic materialistic horrors that Mao and his ilk of the ' 'Peoples ' ' republic of 'china' brought into being that were absolutely preventable in every way imaginable. Nothing is more clear than the Republic of China is the real China and anyone or any government who doesn't recognise that needs to.
We love these videos - I use them to teach Chinese people - so much we do not know about China and I am loving learning. Such a complex world we live - To understand history is to hopefully create understanding
Mao victory era's effort has ended all war Lords and all future wars in China till now. His effort was a turbulence one, rebuilding the country and his effort were so underrated. A hero of times. If not many citizens will continue to die till now by internal conflicts of war Lords.
Croatians killed over 1 000 000 Serbs in WW2 in concentration camps. In WW1 Serbian arm lost more man that France or the UK. A country of a few million people at the time.
The weirdest thing is: after China's 30 years of chaos, India and China are still at the same level. So maybe the common narrative in the west about Mao need to be reviewed.
@Yibay that is absolutely untrue, china was a backwards country up until they opened themselves up to a the wider world with their socialist capitalism, everyone before jiang zemin was actively hearting their countrymen
Yep I mean look at the death rates, only 1 person per 1000 died during the GLF more than India's annual death rate at the time. India 24:1000 to GLF 25:1000 yet people don't pretend tens of millions were dying every year in India.
40% time in ideological education doesnt lead to good soldiering. What is more I have a feeling that today, tho the army swears loyalty to the party the soldiers actually feel loyal to China their country not the government.
This isn’t communism, communism is the end goal, in order to achieve communism you must build towards socialism and then towards communism. This is just a clown trying to modernize his nation without being educated on anything he wanted to change, while surrounding himself with yes men.
The population of China in the 20th century was about 400 million because of the Japanese invasion which resulted in about 35 million deaths and disappearances. However, do you think Mao Zedong's dead population in China was about 80 million when he founded the People's Republic of China, and it seems that China's dead population in the 20th century after the founding of the People's Republic of China should have been more than 100 million, and that's the population of a small country, so do you think it's possible for him to have done that?
It is made up. They do it by countering LOWERING BIRTH RATES as deaths. This many people weren't born because they started working in urban jobs or because of mobilization. They in bad faith count those as deaths. The statistics are there, the death rate during the GLF was the same level as India's at the time. In fact Mao had lowered death rates from mid 40:1000 to 10:1000 so he in reality saved millions of lives. The death rate for GLF is 25:1000 India's was 24:1000
Nowhere near, Genghis Khan is the GOAT for this. But in the 20th century, maybe? Deaths per % of pop could go to Pol Pot if % are considered. Deaths of enemy combatants, certainly Hitler (with 6M added that in the camps) though the Japanese could push for deaths of non-combatants if you consider the chemical and biological trials on chinese people. If we can widen it, it's almost certainly the British with the constant famimes in Ireland and India, let alone the whole opium war thing. The colonisation of the Americas was 100M+. So Imdividual effort? Genghis, with Pol Pot as a distant runner up, Mao is weaksauce.
I think the most amazing thing about Mao is that 23 million of the deaths ascribed to him aren’t even the product of war or state violence but just bad agricultural, environmental, and economic. He set out to end hunger in China and ended up causing one of the most catastrophic famines in all of human history as a result. Like just wow. That is cartoonishly epic levels of failure. Like when Homer Simpson tried to make himself a bowl of cereal and it just burst into flames. That’s Mao’s Great Leap Forward in a nutshell. Mao might not be able to claim the record of deadliest tyrant, but he might be able to claim the title of most incompetent leader ever.
Americans 100 million is due to disease not someone killing them. Why does it look you're bringing any numbers to make great leap forward as small thing
Unfortunately, unfortunately, there is very little in this video about how Ma killed 80 million people in a lot about communist party politics and about Gio political relationships and the Indian Chinese war and the Pakistani camps and so forth. I would recommend trying to stick a little bit closer to the topic or else just label it as general Chinese history 1955 and 1970.
You lie by omision. Tibet had a feudal serfdom/slavery system. The Dalai Lama lived like king and the serfs suffered amputations as punishment. There are flamed dried skins of the serfs, even children.
What really impresses me is how the image of Mao survived. The soviets done a lot by destalinization of their country. The CCP should've done the same with Mao.
Absolute power and all of that. There is a reason many early leftist thinkers were against one man rule. But naturally, such thinking was ignored in favour of great man unity, and we got the terrible executions of what should have been grand leftist revolutions leading to terrible suffering.
Mao is the second-class great Chinese in my mind. Sun is the first-class. Mao proved that even the greatest people cannot maintain their intelligence in old age, which is why Deng Xiaoping later abolished the lifelong tenure of leaders.
Why doesn't CCP disclose the figures? The 80 million comes from the statistics of the number of abnormal deaths. In my hometown, only one village survived in one county, and all of them starved to death. People ate people, corpses, and soil. Still 90% of Chinese people worship him because of government blocking information and brainwashing
You can have mass murder and mass starvation with a rising population if your country is large enough. In fact, it probably helps to have a lot of kids if the chance of them dying early is high.
It was also the era with fastest population growth and increase in life expectancy thanks to rural healthcare programs. Deng Xiaoping era saw increase infant deaths and lower life expectancy in countryside because of end of village doctors and focus on the cities
But every country saw that in the post-war years. For example Iraq saw faster life expectancy gains from 1950-79 until the Iran-Iraq war and didn't have a massive famine
Mao did do something good only on the industrilation(many of those were also just useless because of the old technology),but the cost was unacceptable, my grandpa nearly starved to death when he was a kid
@@Cam-nq8br Actually his neighbours little little girl was send to other family to change for just about a bowl of rice...and it was actually just in hebei province near bejing....
@@Cam-nq8br and that was not even the worst cause sometimes people just eat dead bodies or change other's babies to eat because the can't kill their babies themselves.....in Chinese this is called易子而食
@@autumnalcell6689 Industrialisation is over rated, it shouldn't be forced on a country for short term gain, the rabbi's transformation destroys demographics, culture and isn't even that effective. Planned economies always failed on consumer goods for instance
Calling Mao a bloody dictator and comparing him to figures like Hitler is not only historical revisionism but also nazi apologia. Nazis weren't bad because of their death toll but because of their intentions, if they weren't stopped we'd have countless more genocides and holocausts. Mao was a general who managed to liberate and unite China, under Mao life quality, expectancy, education etc. Skyrocketed. When you have an enormous revolution that radically changes the system sadly cannot happen in peace because the previous ruling classes resist therefore deaths in a civil war are expected. Famines in that region were very normal under Mao we saw the last ever famines in Chinese history, is it fair to attribute every death to Mao? Obviously there were many mistakes and unnecessary killings especially with the red guard, who were groups of mostly young people who idolized Mao and some of them went too far that even Mao had to tell them to chill. History is not black and white and it's not a cartoon where someone just chooses to kill millions for jokes. If we start counting death tolls then I have very bad news for most western countries e.x the British Empire killed 150 million Indians alone..
Ha, a murderer is a murderer, no matter who is killed or how it happens. Hitler murdered 6 million people of a common ethnicity and at the same time drastically improved the post-WWI well-being of the German people. Doesn't that count by your logic..? Mao murdered many, many more, who had Mao-opposing politics in common. Today China has assumed a level of economic power impossible by Mao's methods, and they've done so by embracing CAPITALISM of all things...; the 80 million Mao deaths were therefore completely unnecessary. 150,000,000 Indians murdered by the UK....? I don't think so. Back to your basement.
@@peterrichards931 comparing Mao to Hitler Is nazi apologia. Hitler is a genocidal maniac who didn't kill only 6 million, the death toll is way higher, 6 mil was only jews. Hitler was a genocidal maniac who if he wasn't stopped he'd make even more holocausts. Maos so called death toll are deaths that happened due to a civil war and famines. Famines in China weren't out of the ordinary they'd have them every few years. Under Mao we saw the last ever famines. Under Mao Chinese life expectancy and life quality skyrocketed very fast, basically the Chinese saw their life improve almost instantly. What makes Mao different than Hitler is the intent. Ruling over a country during a famine is in no way similar to actively committing genocide and starting a world war. Stop trying to rehabilitate Hitler
Maoism and Stalinism were examples of the saying that the "path to hell is paved with good intentions", especially with how the ideal of a classless utopia where everyone was equal sounds good on paper, especially with how Marx preached a future where the state would "wither away".
@@nathanpangilinan4397 this wasn't exclusive to them. The same excuse is being used by the capitalists. They excused their crimes of colonialism and imperialism on that. The difference is that the majority of the hardships that communist citizens went through would've been avoided without western sabotage. Example: when the ussr was first established western nations literally invaded it right after the civil war.
The truth is that: Great leap forward: 55 million kills. Cultural revolution: 20 million kills. Landlord murder under mao: 25 million. Total: 100 million.
@@santi2683 ah yes, Deng Xiaoping and his oppening up of China's industrial sector to the rest of the world for the developpement of it's productive forces and intelectual capital. If only Mao had thought about it before. Oh wait. He couldn't, because there was no industry to be found. China was an agrarian society and Mao transformed it by using the only two resources it had, grain and manpower. Anything that Xiaoping did, and any developpemnt of Chinese society was only able to happen because of the actions Mao and the Politburó undertook. This is why China and the Soviet Union, destitute agrarian societies saw economic and industrial developement at break neck pace in about 20 years, becoming world powers able to contend with the strongest army with a state in history. The contrary is also true, why the capitalist "developing" world has been stuck in poverty and exploitation for centuries. Anti communism is an unfalsifiable orthodoxy, a fantasy with a purpose, a curse put upon the poor by the powerful so they will never break their chains. So they only feel contept towards their liberation. A fantasy that makes up numbers in a whim to villify it and makes up others to errase the very real atrocities commited in the name of anticommunism, in the name of capitalism, in the name of anglosaxon hegemony. "But at what cost?" You say. " at what cost has the capitalist status quo been upheld all this time" I answer. How many deaths have been caused by capitalism? By it's inherent innerworkings that benefit the few among the many, by the fights to establish it and the brutality used to maintain it. What country exploited by the inperialist powers, hasn't seen the complete disdain for life that these supposed defenders of freedom, friends of the market have brought upon our peoples. How many mass graves are you able to look over so you can enjoy the fruits of the misery of others? Always the social justice warriors until it is time to ask who made the clothes you wear on your back, the sugar you so like to put in your coffee, the lithium and copper mined with backbreaking labor so you have your new shinny eco-friendly electric car. So privileged and unaware, that it is impossible for you and many others to fathom why an entire great nation and many others across the world would revere one such as Mao as a hero and as one of the greatest men in all of history and why they think of China as an example to follow for those under the yoke of capital, under the boot of the imperial core.
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE Not saying this to implicitly defend capitalism, for it’s a garbage economic system, but Mao did a lot of harm. Pig iron? Really? A lot of China’s modern success is reversing some of Mao’s mistakes. Also, Sino-Soviet split? Again, really? His issue with the USSR was because it became less repressive, less Stalinist?
The Cultural Revolution was really messed up. After bing watching the entire series. All i can say was that China was always a mess. But Mao, being the type of person he is, saw this as an opportunity. Throught the last 100 years all conflicts started as a revolt against the Regime. If we let the chaos continue, it will devolve into just that. So if Chaos is inevitable, better be the ones sponsoring. Not only will people cause the chaos they want, we can use it direct it towards any opposition. Its a really messed up type of genius. Use the already frustrated and angry to focus the anger at our enemies. Its basically thinking that people are stupid. And the fact he got away with it, kinda shows people are indeed stupid. I don't Xi will ever attempt something like this. Chinese people are far better educated now than before. So that's why they take a confrontational stance to the USA. The Chinese people at some point will Revolt, like they have always done. So lets sell them the idea that the USA is the reason behind all their problems. And its a win for them. More cannon fodder for their army, and they are pissed off and angry. So they may not be the best quality fighters, but they will fight to the death. The fact the USA is our rival and they also don't want us to keep getting more powerful, will definitely help. This means they can get away with messed up shit. Xi does it more subtle, but its clearly the same methods of Mao. In fact that's worrisome. I feel XI has perfected it.
"Had Mao died in 1956, his achievements would have been immortal. Had he died in 1966, he would still have been a great man but flawed. But he died in 1976. Alas, what can one say?"
-Chen Yun
This is like what they used to describe Hitler. Something about if he died prior to invading Poland his legacy would've been legendary.
@@EroPantherH wait seriously? Who said that?
@@tavla123 Did you not watch the video?
@@wheresmyeyebrow1608 did you think that this video provides accurate info? im sorry but this is just the average western viewpoint on mao zedong, fueled with propaganda.
@@BlueTyphoon2017 Chen Yun, one of the 8 major leaders of Chinese Communist Party alongside Deng Xiaoping in 80s,
my father grew up in the immediate aftermath of the Great Leap Forward and during the Cultural Revolution and he's told me those were particularly hard and bitter times
Thank you for sharing. Unimaginable the ill ur family went through. My family is Irish and came to the the US during their terrible famine.
Glad to know he survived
Western propaganda ramping up 😂..... Probably because China is becoming a super power that threats the US hegemony.
There is always somebody with "histories" and tales in this kind of video 🤣.... Of course, all those Chinese and farmers that were happy with Mao are going to be a 100% ignored in order to create the anti China narrative 😊
Sure he did .sure
-10,000,000 social credit
-80 million social credits.
- 10000000000000000 social credit
-1 trillion social credits (in yuan)
Hahahahaha
Damn, by that standard, a single Chinese citizen isn't worth even a single peice of social credit...oof
The sheer cultural destruction and loss of historical artifacts is unforgivable.
If only the western powers actually left China alone, none of these socialists states would have ever had to go into the defensive to protect themselves from capitalist influence, the thing that brought ruin to their country, exploited and contributed to the whole communist revolution in China and some other countries.
Some of it was good but yeah it was a disaster
However the problem is I don’t believe such a massive casualties count was possible it has undoubtedly been exaggerated by the west
@@NeostormXLMAX the loss of historical artifacts and records has no positive. It is a horrendous removal from the ability to more effectively study history.
Communism says that art work is an illusion built by the bourgeoisie to distract the working class from destroying capitalism.
Yes, it’s that horrendously stupid.
The problem with anything Chinese history related is that the numbers tend to be alot bigger compared to the rest of the world the 100 years war between France and England had tiny death tolls compared to even 1 of China's civil wars.
These videos are genius. It starts with 1 million dead in China, then 5 million. Finally 20 million people. Now it's 80 million. Genius.Is there 80 million people in France now?😂
The numbers are pulled out of the ass of rabid anti CCP types. If you look at how they arrived at 80m is by counting falling birth rates as deaths then projecting that forward so saying 80m would exist today without mobilization or these policies. The death rate during the GLF was barely even above India's. 24 v 25 per 1000
Did you consider the fact that China has always had a bigger population? Meaning more people were involved in the fighting??
Bullshit, there were 200 million people in China back then. Now there are 1.4 billion people.
Chinese history since Qin Empire. Before that, Zhuxia was decentralized and warfare was limited, governed by rules of engagement
The foot binding practice has been officially banned by the Chinese government since the established of the Republic. It was not very effective, but the ban has been gradually become more acted throughout the country.
"When one man said they looked like potatoes, he was executed". Living in China during those times must have been bizarre.
Nowaday is much better than those old times but still worse than western world
it's over.
that's most likely a lie, clearly this video is biased and cites no sources, it's mostly fiction for the anti-china industrial complex that exists in the west
No it didn’t my grandparents miss the old time, today she said there are too many black people in china……I can assure u this 80 million is a fantasy
@@kaslanakiana3927 I haven't met a racist who didn't think the past was better. It comes as part of the package I suppose.
Can't wait for next episode when Deng Xiaoping becomes the main character
Well basically he was the sad decline in between
I can't believe you spoil the video just like that smh
@@ichsagnix4127 Tianmen Massacre?
@@P4Tri0t420 nope, more like market liberalisation.
@@ichsagnix4127 cope.
i can't believe wow_mao would do this 😭😭😭😭
This is anti-intellectual video😂
do you care when West killed millions of communist?
@@haochengzhai7156why, too much truth about it?
@johner YOU DIDNT HAVE TOCUUUTTT ME OFFF
L Mao.
It’s wild that simply saying that a mango looks like a potato is enough grounds to justify an execution.
all based on a religion of mangoes.
This thing happen in the France revolution too
You probably Do not know what is a revolution
@@wingkeungkong415 No? I think they were talking about such a new ridiculous low for revolutions, killing people based on telling a mango is a mango, far from helping anyone.
@@Game_Hero ' revolution is all like that
Including The France n Russia revolution
@@wingkeungkong415 Tell that to the Quiet Revolution, the Velvet Revolution, the Euromaidan, the Color Revolutions, the Jasmin Revolution, the Revolution that ended the junta in Myanmar and communist rule in Mongolia, the Revolutions that led to the independence of nations like in the Baltics. Reality is unkind to absolutes.
This series just keep getting longer and longer. Hopefully we can reach the modern day!
and better too!
Vive le Québec!
On the note of steel production during the GLF, I remember reading a story about how Mao visited his home village during the campaign and was saddened that a large wooden Buddha statue in the village center he loved growing up was torn down and burned to help meet his steel quota. Just an interesting note on the more human side of an otherwise brutal authoritarian.
Aaw what a sentimental human
J/k may he be donkey raped in hell for all eternity.
kinda ironic considering the cultural revolution that came thereafter.
You use “Authoritarian” as if there’s ever been a libertarian state anywhere.
@@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield That isn't implied or suggested by the comment.
@@SavageHenry777 It is
My friend's grand parents were doctors during Mao's reign, and got the hell out of China asap. She has a huge dislike for Communism and refuses to visit main land China.
Based.
She's smarter than most people today.
You mean communist occupied mainland Twain.
@@long-hair-dont-care88. Mark Twain
Good and stay the fuck out
@Yibay Exactly what I was thinking.
If you look at deaths on a per capita basis, the famines caused by the great leap forward are one of the smaller mass death events in history. Any huge disasters in China are like that, kills millions but barely felt by 98-99% of people. On the other hand, the deadliest man made catastrophe in history (per capita) would be the Great Potato Famine, which killed 1/5th the population of Ireland, displaced another 1/5th, and essentially destroyed the Gaelic language and much of Irish culture. It's probably one of the most devastating ethnic genocides in history, despite its "low" body count. The population of ireland still has not recovered.
The great leap forward resulted with over 10% of the population dying, this was rapidly recovered from because the one child policy was not implemented until 1980 and prior to it China had a birthrate similar to sub-Saharan Africa and the 90%(ish) of the survivors of the Great Leap tended to have much longer lifespans and so the population resumed growth almost immediately. Still, 10% death is something you don't normally see in a nation during peace time outside of a plague and was completely unnecessary and inhumane.
@@DiMacky24 It did not kill that many people lol. That's just straight up made up numbers.
Genocide on Serbian people in World war I, also World war II (Independent state of Croatia)
commie spoted
This video seems to cite 0 sources and just relies on ppl taking the death count at face value, ignoring the fact that its still massively debated on
The culture revolution shows nicely why you should never abandon beauty as a way to gauge health.
This is the stupidest comment in this comment section. This sort of idea is what led to people in the middle ages to put dangerous chemicals in their faces to look "paler" because that was their standard of beauty. Hope you're really young, cause if you're over 20 and you actually believe this, there is something seriously wrong with you
Amazing how unfit Mao was for actual statecraft.
Compared to whom?
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE fricken pick a name. Compared to any leader that has never starved or extra-judicially murdered millions of their citizens. 23 million of those deaths weren’t even out of malice, just a consequence of bad agricultural and economic policy.
All socialists are.
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE If you want a comparison with leaders of the socialist world at the time: Tito? Castro?
@@aze94 castro was the leader of a small island in the Caribbean. Tito, of a small country in the Balkans. The USSR and China are massive civilizatory empires. There is no comparison in scale.
Good video Jabzy, but one misleading point in it I noticed. At 6:28, the quote of Mao saying 'when there is not enough to eat, people starve to death. It is better to let half of the people die so that the other half can eat their fill'. This was said 5 years before Yellow River Flood it's presented alongside, and is a metaphor for industrial production rather than anything food-related. It's meant to mean that their industrial plan should focus resources on a smaller number of projects, rather than spreading their resources too thinly.
You are fighting the unfalsifiable orthodoxy that is anti-communism. Good luck with that.
From discussions with Chinese colleagues about their education and learning about Mao, apparently they learn that it was a massive tragedy but that he had 'good intentions'
It isn't about "good intentions", it is about good results and the fact that this 80 million number is entirely a fantasy.
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE lol interesting you could have that opinion when even people I've met who were raised in China on Chinese propaganda don't see Mao's 'good results'. Deng Xiaoping fixed Mao's massive failure if anything
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE indeed
I hope xi xinping also show his good intentions to Chinese people.
@@maiyn2 without mentioning the gallons of blood and suffering that oil the all consuming capitalist death machine daily.
Khmer Rouge had to be inspired by something from China
And where they were funded? BTW Pol pot and his commies were supplied and supported by NV, Mao China and soviets, they helped to bring Cambodia to comm*nism and kept friends when they were genocided their ppl and invaded only when they were attacked first. It was murica who tried to stop them, and it was NV who helped them to rise power in the first place. If NV didn't help Pol pot and his cummies they wouldn't genocided in the first place commie scum
The dumbest western 😂
Really? You think so?
@@noahchmielewski1347 yeah they killed 25 percent of it population
Some facts may be "controversial", but in general, your understanding of Chinese history is amazing!
edit: for example it seems that China is responsible for not recognizing the McMahon line (around 15:55). Actually India pass the McMahon line before the war as well. China did try it best to maintain peace on the border. It's up to you to decide whether it was good enough.
Why use "quotation" marks?
@@otten5666 "why" do anything at all? u feel me?
@@BOZ_11 "no"
You mean disputed.
@@Robespierre-lI yep
Hey jabzy have you ever considered making a video on saudi arabia on it's start the finding of oil and the conflict between the communist governments and the monarchies ?
Thinking the next big series will be on the Middle East from after WW1
@@JabzyJoe this period of history is very interesting. My favourite part about it is how the exiled house of Saud made such a tremendous comeback despite exile to Kuwait.
There’s still a spear tip in the walls of one of the buildings Ibn Saud helped to take (it was lodged in during a battle he was a part of)
What I really find to be under appreciated in this period is the settlement of the nomadic Bedouins and their role in Saudi society. From the Ikhwan militias to the taken of the grand mosque in the 70s, their impact has been large.
@@JabzyJoe I think doing a series on the muslim world from the 1700s would be good.
@@ZemanTheMighty I read about the spear from the book house of said great book about Saudi Arabia
Post WWI Arabia seems ok, until you realize behind the big 5 (Jabal Shamar, Nedj/Saudi, Asir, Yemen and the Hejaz/Hashemite) there were about 27 different tribes. That gets complicated, especially when you mix in the British!
Xi is working on his own cult of personality now. This didn’t work out well last time.
A buddy of mine had a professor who had been sent to a farm during the CR. His take, “ it was stupid”
You know nothing
He has get rid of one million. Corrupt official
If your friend says so then it must be true
@@AceFromGorillaz I think his biggest achievement is getting rid of the corrupt official
It would be very difficult to lead any country worse than Mao did.
Pol Pot: Really?
Every communism leader are TERRIBLE 😔😔😔
Other than Pol pot.
@@POCLEE pol pot never killed anyone accidently
Witnout him it is impossible for China to Rise again
In 1950 there were fewer than 550 million people in China, and in 1975 there were more than 900 million.
And?
@@PossessedPotatoBird Much more people were born than were killed in China under Mao. We don't know if things would have been better without Mao, but most people in China are benefitting from his legacy. 80 million death (or whatever the death toll is) is indeed a terrible price to pay, but it has already been paid, so there are many Chinese people who are content with enjoying what has already been paid for.
@@熊唯嘉 those births have nothing to do with his policies… that’s actually a lower birth rate than usual during most of Chinese history
@@PossessedPotatoBird The population of China in 1850 is 430 million, which means that population grew by 28% in the 100 years before Mao. In comparison, in the 25 years under Mao, population grew by 64%. Population growth in China under Mao is among the fastest in Chinese history, largely due to industrialization and modernization. On the other hand, many people actually thought such a rapid growth in population was a bad thing, ergo the post-Mao one-child policy.
@@熊唯嘉 don’t waste your time, those westerners or west worshippers will always say « China BAD ». They hate the chinese deeply and are hypocrites who only seek the downfall of the chinese.
A video(s) on the Vietnamese revolution would be great!
as a Vietnamese, i would like to see how some historian depict my country.
VCP and VNQDD made numerous mistaken during their rule that was costly to the people.
Modern Vietnam share some character of the lesser year but people trying to bring up event that happen decade ago as a reason to tear down the progress made by the people is stupid at time.
Learning from previous mistake is a important factor in growing and developing a nation, learning from past mistake is important for the newer generation to strengthen our future.
This is right wing billionaire funded anti-communist propaganda and that would be exposed plainly for all to see if they did one on vietnam.
@@spookyengie735 As a Chinese, I very much agree with this. (Yes, I am Chinese)
"Come on, Humans! We've wiped out entire species before. We can do it again!" - Homer Simpson.
Thank you for making such fantastic content!
Americans: "Better dead, than red."
Mao: " I can do both."
When you're executed for saying a fruit looked like a potato because you're starving.
Me when I make shit up
@@AceFromGorillaz search up "Mao era Mango cult" its actually real
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. Please keep this series going forever. I absolutely love this series and have watched previous episodes multiple times. Please more of this series and please don't stop at 10. Please make 100s for this series
Kill one, you're a murderer. Kill a million, you're a King. Kill everyone, you're a God.
❤️ I love your code 🎉🙏
@@thabangmaimela4034 And that would make Mao a wannabe God...
Melting down pots and pans is so stupid because youre just going to buy new ones which per kilogram are more expencive than structural steel.
Great content!
Great to make videos on China, its really interesting, Keep up the content 👌 👍
It's all just propaganda, for example he blames the locusts on the pest campaign against the sparrows without mentioning that the sparrows themselves were an invasive species that was also a plague on the fields while they still used traditional seed casting methods. And while the pest campaign contributed to the locusts, plagues of locusts have arisen throughout history without any pests campaigns.
He also makes no mention of China's long history with famine, and just darts over the year long drought and the flooding of the yellow river which drowned over a million people, washed away stockpiles of food, and drowned the fields. Both of these events were devastating.
He also mentions Lysenkoism (close cropping) without mentioning that the KMT had been experimenting with a variety of agricultural methods in different regions as part of an effort to modernize China's agriculture. All the blame is placed on Mao for continuing experiments that were already under way when the revolution happened. Some of those experiments proved disastrous and others beneficial
He also says Mao didn't want to know about the famine but when he realized he was being fed faulty reports he started traveling to the affected areas and sending people to study everything they could possibly learn to solve the famine and prevent the next one.
And the video says 80 million died but that's a completely made up number from the black book of communism, the actual number of deaths from the famine were around 15 million, and can fluctuate up and down a few depending on what criteria is deemed appropriate. Similar famines had occurred throughout China's history but what made the great famine different was that it affected the whole mainland all at the same time.
This guy's basically just an anti-communist liberal who read the Black Book of Communism and took everything in it at face value without doing any additional research or scrutinizing it, so you may as well just listen to that on audiobook. Two of the authors cited on the cover denounced it btw, and said the author who put it together was obsessed with exaggerating death tolls to get the highest numbers possible.
@confident femboi Okay thanks for the information
“If history teaches us anything, it is simply this: every revolution carries within it the seeds of its own destruction. And empires that rise will one day fall.” - Princess Irulan (Dune, Frank Herbert)
Fiction.
@@Zodroo_Tint Taken from a work of fiction? Yes. Lacking validity in the real world? No.
I must disagree with this
France revolution did not destroy France
Just made France became the biggest power in European
Chinese revolution just make China become the biggest power in Asia
Maybe later the world
@@wingkeungkong415 - Just give them some more time.
@@wingkeungkong415 I mean... It just took them like 5 republics
My favorite part about the Chinese history documentary is how every few videos the part keep increasing
When will the history of China documentary be complete?
Actually, the death of ordinary Chinese people is not a big issue. The key point is that almost all foreign-educated technical experts who returned to China and university professors who did not follow the Kuomintang to Taiwan died during the Cultural Revolution. Some committed suicide, while others were tortured to death. In many famous Chinese universities, there are memorial halls displaying the photos of those who founded the schools or made outstanding contributions to them. Although their birth dates are different, their death dates are exactly the same. Therefore, after China's reform and opening up, they could only seek technology imports from the West and Japan, as there were virtually no people with basic academic backgrounds in the entire country at that time, having been wiped out during the Cultural Revolution. As a result, the Chinese began to continuously acquire technology through various means, as there was no foundation for research and development. In fact, most Chinese people cannot reflect on the Cultural Revolution and even believe that it was necessary for making China strong. What you see and hear now are mainly the descendants of the perpetrators from that time. Those who had even the slightest dissenting opinions or knowledge and culture from the old era were all killed by these people. Opposing the Cultural Revolution is essentially equivalent to criticizing all Chinese people. Only the descendants of those who do not understand history may have some resentment towards the Cultural Revolution.
Although Mao’s purpose in criticizing The dismissal of Hai Rui was to purge Peng Zhen, the mayor of Beijing, the play was actually written by Wu Han, then deputy mayor of Beijing and a renowned historian specializing in Ming history. He was a sycophant of Mao and at first praised by Mao for this work but ironically became the first victim of the cultural revolution.
Jabzy upload. It's going to be a good day today 😊
I'd like to see some references. Would you please give me a list of books or something about this period of history?
Another great video as always!
I think this era was definitely one of the darkest periods of Chinese modern history but my dad says the stability and peace they got was much preferable than the chaotic warlord era and the Japanese occupation area that his dad had to endure; and that while there were so many needless deaths, the populace grew so substantially that they had to implement the one child policy a few decades later. it’ll be very interesting to see the next period of Chinese history in this series!
Thank you for your input, Reimu!
Stability with more death numbers in war? You pathetic CCP bot.
Honestly it's less impactful when he was only deadliest because he royally mismanaged the populous nation in the world
Huh? A death is a death. These comments saying the great leap forward was 'not that bad/impactful' are utterly bizarre and kind of disgusting. You do realize that Mao's "mismanagement" consisted of executing all political dissenters and academics, and causing, without any good reason whatsoever, the deadliest famine in history, right? You make it seem like Mao and the Chinese government at the time had no way of knowing that they were killing off tens of millions of people by mass starvation.
Getting a high body count in China is a bit easy tho with the massive population. Their regional rebellions have a higher kill count than some international wars.
What is your point? Sorry but your comment seems to imply that Mao's genocide is not a big deal or that Mao was not that bad of a dictator since China has a large population, which makes no sense.
Can you please make a video about the Iron Guard as well? It's one of the most weird fascist movements in my opinion. It combined the nazi ideology with christianity and had a death cult. But I only have surface level knowledge.
sounds interesting, never seen anyone delve into the topic neither
you mean like : ua-cam.com/video/AAGSs5u98K8/v-deo.html
The number of death during the Great Leap Forward varies dramatically, and it still remains a debatable matter due to the lack of reliable sources. However, it's undoubtable that the Great Leap Forward was a real tragedy. That being said, Mao shouldn't be the only one to blame. People often forget that China was a very poor and backward country with little industrial productivity, and since both US and USSR turned hostile against China, China suffered from trade blockade and the lack of foreign aid and investment(meanwhile Japan, South Korea and Taiwan received much support from US, North Korea received support from USSR).
And let's not forget that Mao was also really successful in the first 5-year plan (the one before the Great Leap Forward) and he increased the output of the agricultural sector. Sure, the Great Leap Forward was catastrophic, but it didn't come with the intention to hurt people, but to improve their lives as fast as possible.
Like Staline for the URSS, the population don't forget the horror he made but won't forget that Staline make a feudal society to the second superpower.
Reason why in these day Putin is popular among his population since he manage to raise Russia from the chaos post URSS to a stable society
@@victoneter My brother in christ, Every other communist country HATED them
@@Dageka People often neglect the dilemma that PRC had to deal with: little industrial capability and too many people to feed. To overcome this, the only way would be rapid industrialization. Without sufficient foreign aid or colonies to exploit, it was inevitable that China went through a very tough phase of history, which added with some human error, turned out to be too much a price to pay.
@@Dageka Also, the importance of foreign aid was often underrated. Industrialization requires tons of investment, which means financial and technological support are crucial.
The Amur river is not properly alligned with Heliongjiang province.
the fact that Mao is revered as some sort of twisted messiah in China to this day is very disturbing, although Stalin is still a god in the eyes of some and his reign of terror was almost as bad.
Can't imagine the angry moustache man still being treated as a hero by the modern German government.....
Because Stalin and Mao were heroes of their nations who pulled them out of a hole into the future.
That's due to China's 2000 years of imperial rule beat into people's subconscious to obey one demigod (Emperor, mandated by heaven). Mao just filled that hole left by the collapse of Qing dynasty.
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE both permanently destroyed their counties future by destroying the demographics of the country
@@williamthebonquerer9181 the ramblings of one that lives in a falling empire and a dying culture.
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAEoof calling them heroes
US stopped helping KMT after WW2 and that's the result we got....
Because the America knew that the kmt was corrupt from top to bottom
He killed a bazillion Chinese. Personally, he drove from town to town with his Russian made T-90 tank
Commie scum on his way to deny truth and facts 🤣 🤡👹🐷
@@chingis1154 Common Mongolian L?
@@dieguito3422 nah, common adai W
You should do an entire video dedicated to documenting various influential academic, political, and cultural figures who ignorantly (at best) kept singing of Mao, his regime, and his movements’ praises.
I find it funny that while many autocrats blame the U.S. for buying civil activists and academics to stand against their government, they usually do exactly that to the U.S.
Honestly that could be a whole series, so many were ignorant for the sake of popularity.
Ignorantly? There's a reason Mao is praised to this day, China was in a terrible position before the revolution and it massively improved after it. You can't expect the revolution to magically fix every problem that dates back countless dynasties in a day
@AceFromGorillaz Mao was dead before the limited yet effective market reforms of the 80s and then in the 90s especially. So, no, they're just bubble world living scumbags.
I am a prophet.
Not that it was hard to guess that this series was going to get even longer after it was already extended twice before 😄
Never yet found a good place to end it. So just going to run up to the beginning of xi.
Probably more than 80 mi
Yes you are right, the US definetly killed more than 80 million people.
I always heard 120 to 130ish.
@@Russo-Delenda-Est Americans also heard about imaginary WMDs and killed 500 000 civilians for it. Wouldn't trust what one says or hears for the life of me.
All Chinese people are dead. There are no more Chinese people in China. They are all Kpop stands
@@maiyn2 i like you
Taiwan is a beautiful country that showcases the potential of the Chinese people when they're not being enslaved by their leaders.
Taiwan was a fascist dictatorship until 1992, bro.
@@yaldabaoth2 30 years ago, yes. nearly a third of a century ago. What's your point? it is now a prosperous free democracy
@@yaldabaoth2 Fascist? Lol just how little do you know
I recommend people learn more about Chiang Kai-shek's regime and the White Terror in KMT-held Taiwan. At least have some balance in looking at the history at the time of the OP video. Same advice goes for today.
It's just a rebel province who only exists because the U.S. wants them to exist. What's your point?
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*the glories of communism*
the answer - Mao was just a stalin´s pupil , much like pol - pot , Kim Il Sung, Castro, Tito, were ...
A famine in China, unheard of prior to mao
Shop owners making a quick buck by cashing in on current trends sounds rather capitalist to me, as does exporting massive amounts of produce for profit
State capitalism. All of this was motivated and justified for the need for economic growth. Same thought process as capitalist repression, just less abstracted and more explicit.
"State capitalism" is, by definition, an oxymoron. Capitalism is when the means of production are privately owned. When the state owns the means of production, there is no private ownership; therefore, what communist apologists call state capitalism makes no sense. It's simply authoritarian collectivism, that is legitimized through the collectivist ideology of communism.
Or maybe 80 million people didn’t die in China. In 1959-1962 period there were 15 million excess deaths above the natural rate. During the cultural revolution death rate was gradually decreasing and no significant excess death is detectable.
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I love all of your content! Smol random idee from teeny tiny unimportant sub: Do a series like this on the History of Russia!
That would be.. quite the video
lol wtf, 80mil? my dad was born in 1956 and grew up during both the great leap foward and the cultural revolution and although he's told me alot about how even low quality noodles were only reserved for the most special occasions (meat being completely out of the question) the death count is nowhere near as high as people nowadays say it is
always interesting to see americans who have never stepped foot on chinese soil in their entire lives act like theyve been through it all in youtube comment sections though
Sure thing buddy
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Generally speaking, estimates for total death toll in big tragedies like this become higher the more information is learned. Early estimates usually just include the number of specific individuals which documents describe as having died from the tragedy, and this is crudely extrapolated to the people who weren't well documented as well. But oftentimes, the best-documented people were the least badly hit by tragedy, so that as we learn more about the previously lesser studied populations, our estimate goes up.
After that, there's an even bigger thing: Tragedies create ripple effects causing even more deaths, but its difficult to trace any SINGLE person's death to that. For example, my Great Uncle had COPD and died in a hospital, because it was during the height of the recent pandemic so all respirators were taken by COVID patients. If you just count people killed by COVID, my uncle wouldn't be listed. But it is nearly certain that the COVID pandemic indirectly caused or at least contributed to his death. In the past two decades or so, scholars have started to estimate these sorts of indirect deaths and include them in their approximate totals.
Looking specifically at The Campaign to Suppress Counter-Revolutionaries, the earliest estimates coming out shortly after Mao's death placed the death toll at about 0.7 million. But as additional previously covered-up deaths were identified, new documents became available to researchers, and deaths from abysmal treatment in slave labor camps were included, that estimate today sits at somewhere between 2 and 5 million--at least 3 times and potentially as much as 7 times higher than what was initially thought. The % increase in death tolls for the Great Famine and Cultural Revolution aren't quite as drastic as those of The Campaign to Suppress Counter-Revolutionaries, but they have increased for for very similar reasons.
This isn't unique to discussion of Chinese History. Estimated death tolls for events as variable in nature as The Holocaust, The Black Death, Hurricane Katrina, the US Invasion of Iraq, and British Colonization of India, have all increased over the past years and decades. There isn't a global and/or ""western"" conspiracy to inflate the number of people killed through Mao's totalitarianism and dysfunctional governance. Nor is there a conspiracy to inflate the numbers killed by any other mass-death events. It's just that scholars have more information than they did earlier, and include indirect deaths which had previously been swept under the rug.
I gonna say though. I'm glad I'm American and didn't experience the 3rd world shithole that was China. I would be homeless in the streets and still better off than the average Chinese peasant
@@p00bix No matter what, it won't be the 80 million he said
Meanwhile you see the real China in the bottom right hand corner and it's just horrible to think the Chinese would be doing infinitely better with them even if the Republic of China was also authoritarian I'm their own manner, however, whatever the Republic of China would've done is still nothing to the brutal absolutely, insane and qusi-demonic materialistic horrors that Mao and his ilk of the ' 'Peoples ' ' republic of 'china' brought into being that were absolutely preventable in every way imaginable.
Nothing is more clear than the Republic of China is the real China and anyone or any government who doesn't recognise that needs to.
Tankies be seething
This is the best explanation of the Cultural Revolution I've found on youtube. Thank you!
What are your sources?
Frank dikotter is pretty good if you want further reading
We love these videos - I use them to teach Chinese people - so much we do not know about China and I am loving learning. Such a complex world we live - To understand history is to hopefully create understanding
Mao victory era's effort has ended all war Lords and all future wars in China till now. His effort was a turbulence one, rebuilding the country and his effort were so underrated. A hero of times. If not many citizens will continue to die till now by internal conflicts of war Lords.
Croatians killed over 1 000 000 Serbs in WW2 in concentration camps. In WW1 Serbian arm lost more man that France or the UK. A country of a few million people at the time.
the answer - Mao was just a stalin´s pupil , much like pol - pot , Kim Il Sung, Castro, Tito, were ...
Source!
@@Masv1pe Jasenovac - Aušvic Balkana, prof.dr Gideon Grajf
Chinese population doubled from 1949 to 1976, why don't you just add more 0s to your figure?
Good report
The weirdest thing is: after China's 30 years of chaos, India and China are still at the same level. So maybe the common narrative in the west about Mao need to be reviewed.
How about no
@Yibay that is absolutely untrue, china was a backwards country up until they opened themselves up to a the wider world with their socialist capitalism, everyone before jiang zemin was actively hearting their countrymen
Yep I mean look at the death rates, only 1 person per 1000 died during the GLF more than India's annual death rate at the time. India 24:1000 to GLF 25:1000 yet people don't pretend tens of millions were dying every year in India.
China had massive market reforms starting in the late 1970s. India kept a weird, stunted hybrid economy until fairly recently.
@@piecharb.1343 Ignore the CCP shills / bots, they invade every comment section for videos that shed light on Mao's reign of terror.
Ain’t Communism Great…..
it is
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It just kills ya…
@Yibay true
@Yibay it keeps you in poverty
@@maayan748it just makes everyone equally poor.
Mao: The Deadliest Dictator
Fixed the thumbnail for ya
*makes extraordinary claims*
*doesn't link any sources in desc.*
An unfalsifiable orthodoxy
Common famine denier
He uses exclusively westoid sources if does any research at all
@@alphana7055 "westoid" cry me a river, commie.
@@Emel_unlegit Of course there was a famine in China, what are you talking about.
40% time in ideological education doesnt lead to good soldiering. What is more I have a feeling that today, tho the army swears loyalty to the party the soldiers actually feel loyal to China their country not the government.
everything is ideological, especially when words such as "it's common sense" and "let's look at it objectively" come up
@@martinnemeth6909 No.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 yes
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The German Democratic Republic was also a communist State (:
Good Video as always (:
Communism has always been-and always will be-a terrible thing
It Defeat the nazi and save European civilization
This isn’t communism, communism is the end goal, in order to achieve communism you must build towards socialism and then towards communism. This is just a clown trying to modernize his nation without being educated on anything he wanted to change, while surrounding himself with yes men.
The population of China in the 20th century was about 400 million because of the Japanese invasion which resulted in about 35 million deaths and disappearances. However, do you think Mao Zedong's dead population in China was about 80 million when he founded the People's Republic of China, and it seems that China's dead population in the 20th century after the founding of the People's Republic of China should have been more than 100 million, and that's the population of a small country, so do you think it's possible for him to have done that?
Those are rookie numbers, around 600 trillion people died in Maoist China sources say
Damn 80 million ! the number is so crazy its almost as if its made up....
Just like 6 million!
@@blackmesa1565 how exactly could mao have killed 80 million people when the combined death toll of ww2 was 50-60 million? Seems kinda impossible
Test your IQ😂
It is made up. They do it by countering LOWERING BIRTH RATES as deaths. This many people weren't born because they started working in urban jobs or because of mobilization. They in bad faith count those as deaths. The statistics are there, the death rate during the GLF was the same level as India's at the time. In fact Mao had lowered death rates from mid 40:1000 to 10:1000 so he in reality saved millions of lives. The death rate for GLF is 25:1000 India's was 24:1000
@@haochengzhai7156 useless, most IQ tests dont go into negative
Nowhere near, Genghis Khan is the GOAT for this. But in the 20th century, maybe? Deaths per % of pop could go to Pol Pot if % are considered. Deaths of enemy combatants, certainly Hitler (with 6M added that in the camps) though the Japanese could push for deaths of non-combatants if you consider the chemical and biological trials on chinese people. If we can widen it, it's almost certainly the British with the constant famimes in Ireland and India, let alone the whole opium war thing. The colonisation of the Americas was 100M+. So Imdividual effort? Genghis, with Pol Pot as a distant runner up, Mao is weaksauce.
I think the most amazing thing about Mao is that 23 million of the deaths ascribed to him aren’t even the product of war or state violence but just bad agricultural, environmental, and economic. He set out to end hunger in China and ended up causing one of the most catastrophic famines in all of human history as a result. Like just wow. That is cartoonishly epic levels of failure. Like when Homer Simpson tried to make himself a bowl of cereal and it just burst into flames. That’s Mao’s Great Leap Forward in a nutshell. Mao might not be able to claim the record of deadliest tyrant, but he might be able to claim the title of most incompetent leader ever.
Americans 100 million is due to disease not someone killing them. Why does it look you're bringing any numbers to make great leap forward as small thing
Nah, Mao is still a murderous dictator but he achieved his body count through stupidity and ignorance.
Unfortunately, unfortunately, there is very little in this video about how Ma killed 80 million people in a lot about communist party politics and about Gio political relationships and the Indian Chinese war and the Pakistani camps and so forth.
I would recommend trying to stick a little bit closer to the topic or else just label it as general Chinese history 1955 and 1970.
You lie by omision. Tibet had a feudal serfdom/slavery system. The Dalai Lama lived like king and the serfs suffered amputations as punishment. There are flamed dried skins of the serfs, even children.
How come they didn’t overthrow him then tibet has some of the most peaceful communities
What really impresses me is how the image of Mao survived. The soviets done a lot by destalinization of their country. The CCP should've done the same with Mao.
It’s crazy how he did actually for the time good and pragmatic things and then at some point completely over the top and unnecessary suffering
Absolute power and all of that. There is a reason many early leftist thinkers were against one man rule. But naturally, such thinking was ignored in favour of great man unity, and we got the terrible executions of what should have been grand leftist revolutions leading to terrible suffering.
Napoleon was like that too
@@wingkeungkong415 Yeah Napoleon was an imperialist was quite progressive as a politician
@@lukasj19999 but how many people died in the napoleonic war
@@wingkeungkong415 4-7 million
Mao is the second-class great Chinese in my mind. Sun is the first-class. Mao proved that even the greatest people cannot maintain their intelligence in old age, which is why Deng Xiaoping later abolished the lifelong tenure of leaders.
I think it's disingenuous to use 80 million just to grab more views, the numbers are widely disputed and are still an on going debate,
He left a question mark
@themediumcheese I think you're misunderstanding how he has used the question mark, but prehaps in in the wrong
Why doesn't CCP disclose the figures? The 80 million comes from the statistics of the number of abnormal deaths. In my hometown, only one village survived in one county, and all of them starved to death. People ate people, corpses, and soil. Still 90% of Chinese people worship him because of government blocking information and brainwashing
Considering that Mao's successor purged the CCP and sacked China's National Archives, your Statement has truth to it.
From 1955 to 1970, how did China's population increase from 420 million to 780 million?
You can have mass murder and mass starvation with a rising population if your country is large enough. In fact, it probably helps to have a lot of kids if the chance of them dying early is high.
Poverty tends to make families have a lot of kids due to child mortality rate. Just look at Africa
@@mudkipsarelife4885people use sex as a coping mechanism to deal with stress. Plus having more kids means more labor on the farms
Holy shit, glad im American
Foot binding was already illegal in 1911
It was still practiced until Mao
De jure, yes, de facto, no.
It was also the era with fastest population growth and increase in life expectancy thanks to rural healthcare programs.
Deng Xiaoping era saw increase infant deaths and lower life expectancy in countryside because of end of village doctors and focus on the cities
But every country saw that in the post-war years. For example Iraq saw faster life expectancy gains from 1950-79 until the Iran-Iraq war and didn't have a massive famine
You are wrong , the estimates were in the 100.000.000 !! Some of the big academia even says 120.000.000!!! Get your homework donne right man!!
Mao did do something good only on the industrilation(many of those were also just useless because of the old technology),but the cost was unacceptable, my grandpa nearly starved to death when he was a kid
Grandpa was one of the lucky ones
@@Cam-nq8br Actually his neighbours little little girl was send to other family to change for just about a bowl of rice...and it was actually just in hebei province near bejing....
@@Cam-nq8br and that was not even the worst cause sometimes people just eat dead bodies or change other's babies to eat because the can't kill their babies themselves.....in Chinese this is called易子而食
@@Cam-nq8br Really hard to imagine how his family went through，everytime he tells me things like this he looks calm and sad, with almost no emotion
@@autumnalcell6689 Industrialisation is over rated, it shouldn't be forced on a country for short term gain, the rabbi's transformation destroys demographics, culture and isn't even that effective. Planned economies always failed on consumer goods for instance
Sources?
they dont need because they cant find
It's a shame in India we have professors dedicating their lives for support of mao
What’s the music that places in the background
Calling Mao a bloody dictator and comparing him to figures like Hitler is not only historical revisionism but also nazi apologia. Nazis weren't bad because of their death toll but because of their intentions, if they weren't stopped we'd have countless more genocides and holocausts.
Mao was a general who managed to liberate and unite China, under Mao life quality, expectancy, education etc. Skyrocketed.
When you have an enormous revolution that radically changes the system sadly cannot happen in peace because the previous ruling classes resist therefore deaths in a civil war are expected. Famines in that region were very normal under Mao we saw the last ever famines in Chinese history, is it fair to attribute every death to Mao?
Obviously there were many mistakes and unnecessary killings especially with the red guard, who were groups of mostly young people who idolized Mao and some of them went too far that even Mao had to tell them to chill.
History is not black and white and it's not a cartoon where someone just chooses to kill millions for jokes. If we start counting death tolls then I have very bad news for most western countries e.x the British Empire killed 150 million Indians alone..
Okay, Mao bootlicker.
Ha, a murderer is a murderer, no matter who is killed or how it happens. Hitler murdered 6 million people of a common ethnicity and at the same time drastically improved the post-WWI well-being of the German people. Doesn't that count by your logic..? Mao murdered many, many more, who had Mao-opposing politics in common. Today China has assumed a level of economic power impossible by Mao's methods, and they've done so by embracing CAPITALISM of all things...; the 80 million Mao deaths were therefore completely unnecessary. 150,000,000 Indians murdered by the UK....? I don't think so. Back to your basement.
@@peterrichards931 comparing Mao to Hitler Is nazi apologia. Hitler is a genocidal maniac who didn't kill only 6 million, the death toll is way higher, 6 mil was only jews.
Hitler was a genocidal maniac who if he wasn't stopped he'd make even more holocausts. Maos so called death toll are deaths that happened due to a civil war and famines. Famines in China weren't out of the ordinary they'd have them every few years. Under Mao we saw the last ever famines. Under Mao Chinese life expectancy and life quality skyrocketed very fast, basically the Chinese saw their life improve almost instantly. What makes Mao different than Hitler is the intent. Ruling over a country during a famine is in no way similar to actively committing genocide and starting a world war. Stop trying to rehabilitate Hitler
Maoism and Stalinism were examples of the saying that the "path to hell is paved with good intentions", especially with how the ideal of a classless utopia where everyone was equal sounds good on paper, especially with how Marx preached a future where the state would "wither away".
@@nathanpangilinan4397 this wasn't exclusive to them. The same excuse is being used by the capitalists. They excused their crimes of colonialism and imperialism on that. The difference is that the majority of the hardships that communist citizens went through would've been avoided without western sabotage. Example: when the ussr was first established western nations literally invaded it right after the civil war.
The truth is that:
Great leap forward: 55 million kills.
Cultural revolution: 20 million kills.
Landlord murder under mao: 25 million.
Total: 100 million.
Yes this is true, I wrote these statistics 😊
actually mao kiled 2 billion people with his bare fist
source: i saw it in a dream
The data you mentioned is too exaggerated and very ridiculous. A more accurate figure is that 25 million people died
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Mao challenge try not to fuck up your own revolution: impossible
Soon to be greatest world power. If that's a fuck up, we should fuck up more often then.
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE literally because of Deng Xiaoping not because of Mao
@@santi2683 ah yes, Deng Xiaoping and his oppening up of China's industrial sector to the rest of the world for the developpement of it's productive forces and intelectual capital. If only Mao had thought about it before.
Oh wait. He couldn't, because there was no industry to be found. China was an agrarian society and Mao transformed it by using the only two resources it had, grain and manpower. Anything that Xiaoping did, and any developpemnt of Chinese society was only able to happen because of the actions Mao and the Politburó undertook.
This is why China and the Soviet Union, destitute agrarian societies saw economic and industrial developement at break neck pace in about 20 years, becoming world powers able to contend with the strongest army with a state in history. The contrary is also true, why the capitalist "developing" world has been stuck in poverty and exploitation for centuries.
Anti communism is an unfalsifiable orthodoxy, a fantasy with a purpose, a curse put upon the poor by the powerful so they will never break their chains. So they only feel contept towards their liberation. A fantasy that makes up numbers in a whim to villify it and makes up others to errase the very real atrocities commited in the name of anticommunism, in the name of capitalism, in the name of anglosaxon hegemony.
"But at what cost?" You say. " at what cost has the capitalist status quo been upheld all this time" I answer. How many deaths have been caused by capitalism? By it's inherent innerworkings that benefit the few among the many, by the fights to establish it and the brutality used to maintain it. What country exploited by the inperialist powers, hasn't seen the complete disdain for life that these supposed defenders of freedom, friends of the market have brought upon our peoples. How many mass graves are you able to look over so you can enjoy the fruits of the misery of others? Always the social justice warriors until it is time to ask who made the clothes you wear on your back, the sugar you so like to put in your coffee, the lithium and copper mined with backbreaking labor so you have your new shinny eco-friendly electric car. So privileged and unaware, that it is impossible for you and many others to fathom why an entire great nation and many others across the world would revere one such as Mao as a hero and as one of the greatest men in all of history and why they think of China as an example to follow for those under the yoke of capital, under the boot of the imperial core.
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE Not saying this to implicitly defend capitalism, for it’s a garbage economic system, but Mao did a lot of harm. Pig iron? Really? A lot of China’s modern success is reversing some of Mao’s mistakes. Also, Sino-Soviet split? Again, really? His issue with the USSR was because it became less repressive, less Stalinist?
@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE Literally because China turned away from maoism and only keeps him as a symbol to retain the hegemony
The Cultural Revolution was really messed up.
After bing watching the entire series. All i can say was that China was always a mess.
But Mao, being the type of person he is, saw this as an opportunity.
Throught the last 100 years all conflicts started as a revolt against the Regime.
If we let the chaos continue, it will devolve into just that.
So if Chaos is inevitable, better be the ones sponsoring.
Not only will people cause the chaos they want, we can use it direct it towards any opposition.
Its a really messed up type of genius.
Use the already frustrated and angry to focus the anger at our enemies.
Its basically thinking that people are stupid.
And the fact he got away with it, kinda shows people are indeed stupid.
I don't Xi will ever attempt something like this.
Chinese people are far better educated now than before.
So that's why they take a confrontational stance to the USA.
The Chinese people at some point will Revolt, like they have always done.
So lets sell them the idea that the USA is the reason behind all their problems.
And its a win for them. More cannon fodder for their army, and they are pissed off and angry. So they may not be the best quality fighters, but they will fight to the death.
The fact the USA is our rival and they also don't want us to keep getting more powerful, will definitely help.
This means they can get away with messed up shit.
Xi does it more subtle, but its clearly the same methods of Mao.
In fact that's worrisome. I feel XI has perfected it.