@@evryatis9231 Being neutral and impartial aids the reactionaries and counter revolutionaries. And you must be a revolutionary at all times! Off to gulag with you now! Shoo!
Who cares its not a political channel. But their are lots of paid wumao spammers and censorers trying to wreck this video. Lets handle them. Thats enough of their garbage. Just my opinion
@@evryatis9231Authoritarian government wants pure perfection. Something that David didn't do by explaining the purge within MPS body and the arrest of one of its senior officers only because he criticize CCP party meetings
There is a reason why Mao has killed the most people than any dictator in human recorded history. Mao makes Stalin and Hitler look like rookies who barely graduated from boot camp. Mao was 68 years old when he had a 14 year old girlfriend while still married.
That’s because you are westerners dreaming of socialist utopia, & never live a day in “socialist” nations. It’s NEVER strange to billions of people live in modern day slavery of socialists. And it soon come to knock on American door after 2024 when Demoncrooks complete another round of voter fraud.😢
Chinese gallows humor. There are two men in prison. One says to the other "Why don't they feed us more? If we get any thinner, we'll be able to slip through the bars and escape." His friend replies "And if we were well fed and fat, the police would have no trouble catching us."
@@Abdal-RahmanI It is a humorous attempt to criticize Maoist China. Being too thin was the reality of how Mao's catastrophic Great Leap Backwards and Great Cultural Devolution led to mass starvation and brutal repression.
Between Lake Laogai and the Dai Li agents, only now fully appreciating the depth of knowledge of chinese history the creators of Avatar: The Last Airbender had. Amazing video as always, thank you.
The Cold War, can you please make a video on the history of Portugal during the Salazar regime. Can you also please make a video on the history of Macau during the Cold War. Thank you very much.
Thank you very much for this hard work! This informs and updates my perspective on international relations, especially in discussing these kinds of issues with my foreign colleagues.
Thank you for this great informative video. I’m looking forward for more videos regarding China. As a second-generation Latino American immigrant, I would like to suggest that you and your crew someday make a video about the 1969 Soccer/Football War between El Salvador and Honduras, as well as the Salvadoran Civil War of the late 1970s, and the entirety of the 1980s. The Civil War is an event that my mother was born into and grew up during. Fortunately, the violence of the war did not occur in her area. To me, these events should get more exposure especially its connections with the Cold War.
El Salvador is so lucky it didn't become a communist country otherwise it would have been one of the poorest countries in latin america, more people would have been massacred by the communist, salvadorean culture would have been different and many more salvadorean people would have left to other non-communist countries. Concentration and slave labor camps would have been built across El Salvador with very high corruption. Just look at the communists presidents El Salvador had from 2009-2019, homicide rates sky rocketed so very high that it became the most dangerous country to live in the world despite not being in a civil war nor any war against any foreign country. Communism are great at ruining the nations cultures and failing to give better resources on their own citizens.
@@Trancymind Yeah, CIA funded and trained death squads using CIA torture manuals and engaging in the drug trade, right wing governments using child soldiers, holding American military bases and bowing down to American corporate interests, that's so much better. I'm glad they genocided indigenous villages in case they held any spooky scary commies and assassinated priests and nuns. Honduras is a shining example of US control over a country, everyone knows Vuvuzuela is the only poor struggling country in Latin America. Give me a fucking break
It’d be interesting too to look into the Taiwanese security bureau, a remnant of the KMT on the mainland that was lead by Dai Li, before he was killed by either Kang Zheng or the OSS/CIA. The National Security Bureau was lead by Wang Sheng who lead POLWAR in the Taiwanese Inteligensia inserting agents into contested communist conflicts in Asia such as South Vietnam in 1962 with the Binh Hung village way down south lead by Father Hoa. Those weren’t Chinese nung soldiers those were KMT troops from Taiwan as revealed by CIA docs. They also volunteered pilots and planes to fly Special forces into Laos and North Vietnam and at times Burma.
I remembered the Kashmir Princess plot to blow up Zhou Enlai’s plane. That was when Mao Renfeng was still alive, and it was said that Mao Renfeng’s death is shrouded in mystery.
@@heijimikata7181 Which was monumentally stupid of Taiwan, seeing as Zhou Enlai is one of the few moderating influences able to stand up against Mao. The Forbidden City survived because of Zhou Enlai. PLA soldiers under Zhou Enlai fighting in the street with Red Guard under Mao over Peng Dehuai, who Mao wanted to purge for A fighting against Japan and B criticising Mao.... Spicy stuff really. But Mao couldn't touch Zhu De, Zhou Enlai and a few other prominents.
@@nvelsen1975 Zhu De was purged, he just wasn’t “punished” like Peng Dehuai. But I agree, the Kashmir Affair gave Mao more reasons to carry out his radical policies in the name of the people. At that time, the best positions seemed to have been commanders of military districts / regions as you have loyal troops directly under your control, thus making these guys harder to purge. Some of them even brought their own troops to suppress the local Red Guards (granted, by the 70s, Mao was largely oblivious to what’s happening).
@@heijimikata7181 True but that was 1969, much later and used a 'backdoor attack' becuase they couldn't purge someone that prominent directly, and he found his way back to power much later. Mao wanted rid of him much earlier and much more brutally, but couldn't.
@@nvelsen1975 I think that Zhu De was only able to crawl back into power because Lin Biao ended up being so universally unlikeable. Was Zhu De never fully purged due to his close ties to Mao in past propaganda? If he had sided with the extremists and killed Zhu, he might have opened himself up for future attacks on his actions and characters in the past.
As a Chinese, there’s one more piece of information to be added: Laogai (Forced labor camp) existed till 2000s in China when people found a person died from forced laboring, the CCP finally decided to end the “Laogai” system. From that on, the CCP shifted its methods from “Laogai” camp to psychological hospital, police stations, and secret prisons when treating political opponents.
I doubt if it's true it Cumulative enough 1M people in the Forced labor camp between 1949-1976. I recognise 1980+ CCP is more a Semi-colonial bureaucratic government, totally different with before 1976. and after then the system might have some profit motive to got.
@@yudiji1596 Just stop spamming this non political channel. This is not acceptable at all. Please go spam cnn or something. We want to enjoy history. Not read your spam or see the channel downvoted or demonetized by you and your coworkers. Which is illegal censorship. So please delete your comments and leave.
From the fan site: "The term Laogai is an abbreviation for Laodong Gaizao, 勞動改造 (simplified 劳动改造), which means "reform through labor", and referred to the use of prison labor in the People's Republic of China. The Laogai were a series of camps where opponents of the Chinese Communist Party were sent to work as slave labor."
As a Mainland Chinese, This is my first time hearing of these Chinese Government departments in English abbreviation form. It feels so odd, lol. 13:12 My Grandfather was involved in the event of arresting of Yang Fan. He survived and stayed loyal to the party afterwards and the rest of his life, although he barely mentioned this part of his life to his third generation.
@@Game_Hero Technically yes, but the reality is a lot of people use VPNs to get around it. Which in turn is considered somewhat-naughty, but only relevant if you are already being looked at for other things. I'll try to give a brief explainer as to the considerations that go into this. Remember that the subtle censorship also extends to things which are on paper not allowed, but in practise considered useful or not that bad. The filtering of services is done for cultural reasons so Hollywood doesn't flood China. But that goal isn't threatened if you stream a couple hours UA-cam a week. So if you use a VPN to watch some videoclips? Not a problem. Another pragmatic example is that porn (especially less vanilla varieties like gay and bdsm) is also filtered out, but it's probably recognized as useful that the absolute underclass (people who are single from lack of wealth and often live rather isolated within cities) can use a VPN and get off on a few pictures rather than getting all frustrated and committing crimes instead. The goal is to have them work 10-14 hours a day for little pay and keep them pacified, porn via VPN contributes to this, therefore not bad. If you search 'homosexuality' with Bing or Baidu, it obligingly goes 'Nope, no such thing exists, no search results and you should probably stop asking'. If you use a VPN and search with google, you get information. Is this a threat for the regime? No of course not, because people are still going to keep it semi-secret in a way most people won't even know homosexuals exist. The political objective isn't to go all Russian-Iranian and exterminate people born homosexual (because last time I checked, neither Trump nor DeSantis is the chairman of the CCP), the objective is to keep it a mostly-secret so it doesn't become known in the mainstream, much less becomes accepted. So if you want to use a VPN to look at gay things, you do you. And there's an implicit knowledge that if you try to supress that, bad things will happen as you may have a bunch of very unhappy homosexuals now organising against the regime. Who needs that level of agro? The objective is stability for China, so if you're the CCP, let them do their gay things as long as they acnowledge it's naughty and should be secret. (individual party members may not have gotten these sorts of pragmatic notes, so your mileage may vary) So at the party HQ next to the 'Clamp down on the VPNs' button, there's probably a post-it note that says 'Are you sure this is worth a bunch of other problems like more groping?' So in reality the VPNs only get throttled around the national holiday. 😉 Of course some VPNs are downright infiltrated. NordVPN sells all your data to the Chinese government, so if you use them, you can still be monitored. So when I accessed some docs and downloaded a list of people I know, most of who are pretty high on Beijing's naughty-list in some capacity, suddenly I got a robo-phonecall informing me that my phone was being shut down for 'suspicious activity'. So having VPN, watching western news etc? Not an issue. Downloading a list of a bunch of people consisting mainly of activists and artists? Now that's when you get a symbolic warning shot.
The MPS must have done a great job for me to be hearing about them for the first time ever. I usually thought that the Red Guard was the KGB of Beijing.
The Red Guards were basically militias formed informally during the Cultural Revolution, whom Mao then gave significant policing power to at the expense of the police and the PLA.
Dear David, Do you intend to publish the serie ‘Cold War’ in book format? I’m a boomer and love to take notes and references between itens, which is much more simple on books.
Oh, is it likely to overtake the gargantuan number of disproportionally black and brown convicts crammed into the revolting gaols of the globes largest gulag ? The US ‘ prison ‘ network ?
MSP was the combination of (in US equivalent) police force, FBI, Homeland Security, plus a system of prisons, until the Reform Era (1980s). In the 1980s the FBI and Homeland Security components were separated out to form a new Ministry of National Security. Now MSP is mostly a police force, and not secrete at all. In the culture revolution, the police component of the MSP was greatly weakened as Mao didn't trust the political establishment and didn't play much a role in the violence.
Are you guys pushing back doing the Vietnam War? You did the French War three years ago and it’s getting to the point where it really should be looked at.
@@Game_Hero They were instrumental in Greece's bankruptcy, nearly made that a load worse and they perpetrate terrorist strikes until basically this day, so no they've not been rooted out.
So, uh, that "Lo Ju-Ching" on the cover of Time is the same person as Luo Ruiqing. Different romanization, and the chinese "r" sound is kinda "soft J" ish. Weird that you wouldn't have picked up on that, considering that Time referred to him by his position.
There was / is a political police in any dictature. For example, we Italians had the OVRA in the fascist age. Back to communist political police, I remember the most evil in eastern Europe were Securitate in Romania, Stasi in East Germany, Udba in ex Yugoslavia and Sigurimi in Albania. Rezha Pahlavi's regime in Iran had his political police too, Savak, but the western world told him nothing because he was 'a friend', even if he was a bad man.
The Soviet KGB (in various forms) not only had cells in the Army but its own armed forces (e.g. the Frontier Troops who ran 9 military districts, the Army having 16 in the late USSR) and the Soviet MVD (which ran the camps) also had its own troops (The Internal Troops) who often guarded ammo on Army bases, and that formed a counterbalance to the potential power of the Army, which did not have a monopoly of armed force or the ability to 'plot' in confidence. The Red China regime seems to have been more confident in the loyalty of the PLA, not needing distinct military forces to make a coup seem a hopeless endeavour.
@Jebus Hypocristos Excuse me? What's your beef with the world, go fcukin find it yourself you have WiFi, I'm not arguing with you about a new york 'paper report! 🤣 🤣 🤣
I love your videos and have watched all of them, but dude, you're videos are totally randomly jumping back and forth all around the Cold War era. You've claimed that you were covering it with some plan, progressing from the start towards the end of the call war, but that's obviously not true and making it a bit hard to track.
I'm Chinese from Shanghai, and I'd like to point out an essential flaw here: MPS, which mean 中华人民共和国公安部 in Chinese, is literally the department of police in China. It's not a secret agency that belongs only to the CCP (so unlike Gestapo or Stasi etc.), but on the contrary, it's very public and is simply the administrative agency of all police officers inside PRC. So in conclusion, I'd like to say there's no such thing as a "secret police agency" in China, and for counter-espionage tasks we do have the NSB (国家安全局) specifically for that. So to depict the MPS is as a Gestapo-like agency is definitely misleading, just like claiming that all Soviet policemen are KGB members.
There's a grain of truth tho in the last part as it is clear as a day that some of East German Volkspolizei officers are indeed Stasi officers too although the number that is known is incredibly small due to many Stasi documents being stolen or destroyed after the dissolution of East Germany. Same thing might have happened in Soviet Union also with the KGB
As a Chinese living in mainland China, I think this kind of analogy is an oversimplified analogy. The Red Guard Movement is very complicated, and it cannot be summed up in one sentence. It originated from Beijing No. 4 Middle School, the initiators and experiencers of the year They published a memoir reminiscing about the background of its spontaneous emergence. It was by no means a well-organized mob like the stormtroopers or the black shirts, because there were many factions of the Red Guards shortly after its formation, although all factions advertised loyalty to Mao. Chairman, but they turned against each other in the ensuing turmoil, and both were eventually disintegrated and suppressed.
I tried to use Chinese classification to describe the factions of the Red Guards: Old Guards, Conservatives, Radicals, New Thought, and Neutral. These factions all claimed to be loyal to Chairman Mao, but they had no coordination and affiliation with each other. There were even bloody clashes with heavy weapons between conservatives and radicals.
The red guards wasn't Mao's Blackshirts but the 4 people gang's Blackshirts, these people would attack anyone against the 4 people gang including people mao knew and old revolutionaries that mao deemed loyal to him
@@watchman835 I don't like the current democrats but they are completely and not even comparable to the CCP, which still commits genocide and forced organ harvesting to this day.
@@watchman835 Thats enough paid spamming on a non political channel. Please be decent and delete your comments and leave this channel alone. Go spam cnn or fox please.
The hundreds of thousands of people shot in 1950-1952 is correct information, but the so-called Gulag "10 million people who disappeared" etc. etc. is completely false information. Also in the wrong picture at 14:47, the woman on the right is neither Pan Hannian's wife nor Li Kenong's wife, but Deng Yingchao, Zhou Enlai's wife
Why are you here? Please be decent and dont spam non political channels. You want the channel manager to start going after you and your cowokers? Enough of your spam. Go spam a news channel or something. To channel operator. Feel free to go after the paid accounts thay ruin nice non political channels. Your viewers will be happy to take them down too i think.
@@abcdedfg8340 all he did was to make corrections on what he perceives as potential mistakes in the video. You're the one being political by calling his statement spam simply because you disagree with it and associating it with fox and CNN out of nowhere.
Whataboutism, what a surprise! It would be a little difficult to take the same tone with the CIA/FBI. When was the last time the CIA or FBI killed millions of Americans in prison camps for being "politically unreliable"? When was the last time the Democrats had the CIA/FBI kill thousands of their Republicans for politically disagreeing with them? Or vice verse? For all their many and varied flaws, the American security services have never acted in the ways the MPS or KGB did.
@Cuber earlier this week Hideo Kojima posted a picture of him with a Saudi prince, which got a more than deserved backlash. Of course the Saudi bootlickers were quick to call hypocrisy on the westerners, even though most people opposed to Saudi Arabia's forever war in Yemen aren't exactly fans of the last 20 years of US foreign policy in the Middle East either. It's much easier to list of the sins of the US in bad faith rather than confront the destructive actions of your own country
@@robertbreedlovecraft The point I was making was that in that and other videos on the West they didn't present those agencies and their actions as inherent to the form of government, as in this video ("staple of totalitarian regimes around the world"). Instead, they described that history fairly straight-forward without coloring it with a certain tone or blanked statements. Why not tell this history in the same way?
Next, can we do an episode of how Democrats used to treat black people? The fun fact is, Democrats are still in power too. So it is a good apple to apple comparison.
Look up southern switch and ever wonder why for example David Duke of the KKK switched to Republican, and got 650,000 votes in Louisiana Gubernatorial Election of 1991. He lost but 650,000 was a lot. Also Democrats back then we’re conservatives did you know that?
Why are you here. Go spam cnn please. This is not a political channel. Now if you do not want the viewers and operator going after you and your coworkers comments , etc then i advise telling all your coworkers to delete their comments, any illegal downvotes, etc to try and demonetize, and then leaving this channel alone.
@@abcdedfg8340 apparently he doesn’t know that dems were right wing back then and ignores the southern switch, also they already covered the Civil Rights Movement.
@@abcdedfg8340 All of that because I am asking for a historical video on Democrats’ slavery past? Are certain facts prohibited from this channels I was not aware of?
Some inside information do kept in secret, but the betrayers' "reveal" always absurd, compare with the hostile factions' propaganda, that makes the most deviant imaginings about China in 1949-1976
What I can guarantee is that the so-called "political indoctrination" at that time was far more democratic, rational, fair, and academic than the implied brainwashing by the mainstream media and academics in Europe and the United States today.
"It is likely that the agent will be "turned" by simple torture" Pure baseless, based only on indoctrinated imagination, not on extrapolations that use the awakened imagination
@@Evil0tto One truth all of YOU dont understand ,1980+ CCP is more a Semi-colonial bureaucratic government, totally different with before 1976, they are almost enemy. So pro-Mao could make you enemy of today's china's enemy, not got your "50cents"
Pretty sure sleep Deprivation is a form of torture.
How are you so sure?
Not according to the CIA. They used it during their hunt for Al-Quaida.
Call me the C.I.A because I torture myself non-stop day after day.
It can't be because it is the form of not-torture the US Gov. uses...
@@obsidianjane4413 Do not question the _Advanced Interrogation Techniques._
-10,000 social credits for David 😳
Never again will he take the Beijing to Shanghai bullet train😂
not really, was any of this direct critic?
@@evryatis9231 Being neutral and impartial aids the reactionaries and counter revolutionaries. And you must be a revolutionary at all times! Off to gulag with you now! Shoo!
Who cares its not a political channel. But their are lots of paid wumao spammers and censorers trying to wreck this video. Lets handle them. Thats enough of their garbage. Just my opinion
@@evryatis9231Authoritarian government wants pure perfection. Something that David didn't do by explaining the purge within MPS body and the arrest of one of its senior officers only because he criticize CCP party meetings
Mao's secret police was so secret this is the first I had heard of it.
There is a reason why Mao has killed the most people than any dictator in human recorded history. Mao makes Stalin and Hitler look like rookies who barely graduated from boot camp. Mao was 68 years old when he had a 14 year old girlfriend while still married.
nice 😄
That’s because you are westerners dreaming of socialist utopia, & never live a day in “socialist” nations. It’s NEVER strange to billions of people live in modern day slavery of socialists. And it soon come to knock on American door after 2024 when Demoncrooks complete another round of voter fraud.😢
Nope you're just uneducated!
maybe the word 公安（pronounce “gong' an”） sound familiar?
Chinese gallows humor.
There are two men in prison.
One says to the other "Why don't they feed us more? If we get any thinner, we'll be able to slip through the bars and escape."
His friend replies "And if we were well fed and fat, the police would have no trouble catching us."
I don't think the chinese knew about the word 'fat' back then in the mid 20th century during Maos rule.
Same thing in the USSR
I dun gettit
@@Abdal-RahmanI It is a humorous attempt to criticize Maoist China.
Being too thin was the reality of how Mao's catastrophic Great Leap Backwards and Great Cultural Devolution led to mass starvation and brutal repression.
Between Lake Laogai and the Dai Li agents, only now fully appreciating the depth of knowledge of chinese history the creators of Avatar: The Last Airbender had. Amazing video as always, thank you.
I was thinking the same thing. Such a great series.
The Cold War, can you please make a video on the history of Portugal during the Salazar regime. Can you also please make a video on the history of Macau during the Cold War. Thank you very much.
Best history channel thusfar.
Surprised that Kang Sheng wasn't even mentioned!! He's even in the teaser art
Thank you very much for this hard work! This informs and updates my perspective on international relations, especially in discussing these kinds of issues with my foreign colleagues.
A picture of Kang Sheng on the back wall, holding the Thoughts of Chairman Mao. However, he was in charge of the other ministry, for state security.
Thank you for this great informative video. I’m looking forward for more videos regarding China. As a second-generation Latino American immigrant, I would like to suggest that you and your crew someday make a video about the 1969 Soccer/Football War between El Salvador and Honduras, as well as the Salvadoran Civil War of the late 1970s, and the entirety of the 1980s. The Civil War is an event that my mother was born into and grew up during. Fortunately, the violence of the war did not occur in her area. To me, these events should get more exposure especially its connections with the Cold War.
El Salvador is so lucky it didn't become a communist country otherwise it would have been one of the poorest countries in latin america, more people would have been massacred by the communist, salvadorean culture would have been different and many more salvadorean people would have left to other non-communist countries. Concentration and slave labor camps would have been built across El Salvador with very high corruption. Just look at the communists presidents El Salvador had from 2009-2019, homicide rates sky rocketed so very high that it became the most dangerous country to live in the world despite not being in a civil war nor any war against any foreign country. Communism are great at ruining the nations cultures and failing to give better resources on their own citizens.
@@Trancymind Yeah, CIA funded and trained death squads using CIA torture manuals and engaging in the drug trade, right wing governments using child soldiers, holding American military bases and bowing down to American corporate interests, that's so much better. I'm glad they genocided indigenous villages in case they held any spooky scary commies and assassinated priests and nuns. Honduras is a shining example of US control over a country, everyone knows Vuvuzuela is the only poor struggling country in Latin America. Give me a fucking break
Sleep deprivation and psychological are are, in fact, forms of torture
So it is a bit like Guantánamo ?
We sometimes call it work 🤣
Something felt off about this video. There wasn’t a sponsored ad right after the intro 😂
It’d be interesting too to look into the Taiwanese security bureau, a remnant of the KMT on the mainland that was lead by Dai Li, before he was killed by either Kang Zheng or the OSS/CIA. The National Security Bureau was lead by Wang Sheng who lead POLWAR in the Taiwanese Inteligensia inserting agents into contested communist conflicts in Asia such as South Vietnam in 1962 with the Binh Hung village way down south lead by Father Hoa. Those weren’t Chinese nung soldiers those were KMT troops from Taiwan as revealed by CIA docs. They also volunteered pilots and planes to fly Special forces into Laos and North Vietnam and at times Burma.
I remembered the Kashmir Princess plot to blow up Zhou Enlai’s plane. That was when Mao Renfeng was still alive, and it was said that Mao Renfeng’s death is shrouded in mystery.
@@heijimikata7181
Which was monumentally stupid of Taiwan, seeing as Zhou Enlai is one of the few moderating influences able to stand up against Mao. The Forbidden City survived because of Zhou Enlai.
PLA soldiers under Zhou Enlai fighting in the street with Red Guard under Mao over Peng Dehuai, who Mao wanted to purge for A fighting against Japan and B criticising Mao.... Spicy stuff really. But Mao couldn't touch Zhu De, Zhou Enlai and a few other prominents.
@@nvelsen1975 Zhu De was purged, he just wasn’t “punished” like Peng Dehuai. But I agree, the Kashmir Affair gave Mao more reasons to carry out his radical policies in the name of the people. At that time, the best positions seemed to have been commanders of military districts / regions as you have loyal troops directly under your control, thus making these guys harder to purge. Some of them even brought their own troops to suppress the local Red Guards (granted, by the 70s, Mao was largely oblivious to what’s happening).
@@heijimikata7181
True but that was 1969, much later and used a 'backdoor attack' becuase they couldn't purge someone that prominent directly, and he found his way back to power much later.
Mao wanted rid of him much earlier and much more brutally, but couldn't.
@@nvelsen1975 I think that Zhu De was only able to crawl back into power because Lin Biao ended up being so universally unlikeable. Was Zhu De never fully purged due to his close ties to Mao in past propaganda? If he had sided with the extremists and killed Zhu, he might have opened himself up for future attacks on his actions and characters in the past.
As a Chinese, there’s one more piece of information to be added: Laogai (Forced labor camp) existed till 2000s in China when people found a person died from forced laboring, the CCP finally decided to end the “Laogai” system.
From that on, the CCP shifted its methods from “Laogai” camp to psychological hospital, police stations, and secret prisons when treating political opponents.
I doubt if it's true it Cumulative enough 1M people in the Forced labor camp between 1949-1976.
I recognise 1980+ CCP is more a Semi-colonial bureaucratic government, totally different with before 1976. and after then the system might have some profit motive to got.
@@yudiji1596 Just stop spamming this non political channel. This is not acceptable at all. Please go spam cnn or something. We want to enjoy history. Not read your spam or see the channel downvoted or demonetized by you and your coworkers. Which is illegal censorship. So please delete your comments and leave.
@@abcdedfg8340 what happened? Is he a paid falungong agent?
@@cockatyusha2359 Spam cnn please. This is a historical channel. Not political.
Umm you sure about that...what do they call the camps they are holding the Uyghurs in?
I’m surprised in general schooling this organization isn’t talked about when we talk about Cold War subjects.
The tankies that often are the ones talking about Cold War subjects can partially be blamed for that.
Actually, this is just the regular police force in China. For ordinary Chinese people, 公安 (Public Security) and 警察 (Police) are almost synonymous.
So that's where the word "Laogai" from Lake Laogai from Avatar comes from.
From the fan site:
"The term Laogai is an abbreviation for Laodong Gaizao, 勞動改造 (simplified 劳动改造), which means "reform through labor", and referred to the use of prison labor in the People's Republic of China. The Laogai were a series of camps where opponents of the Chinese Communist Party were sent to work as slave labor."
I'm shocked and pleased to see an once worthy rival is now so...
Public Security is the main law enforcement agency (uniformed police) of China, roughly the equivalent of Soviet Union Ministry of Internal Affairs.
As a Mainland Chinese, This is my first time hearing of these Chinese Government departments in English abbreviation form. It feels so odd, lol.
13:12 My Grandfather was involved in the event of arresting of Yang Fan. He survived and stayed loyal to the party afterwards and the rest of his life, although he barely mentioned this part of his life to his third generation.
Wait, isn't UA-cam banned in China?
@@Game_Hero
Technically yes, but the reality is a lot of people use VPNs to get around it. Which in turn is considered somewhat-naughty, but only relevant if you are already being looked at for other things. I'll try to give a brief explainer as to the considerations that go into this.
Remember that the subtle censorship also extends to things which are on paper not allowed, but in practise considered useful or not that bad. The filtering of services is done for cultural reasons so Hollywood doesn't flood China. But that goal isn't threatened if you stream a couple hours UA-cam a week. So if you use a VPN to watch some videoclips? Not a problem.
Another pragmatic example is that porn (especially less vanilla varieties like gay and bdsm) is also filtered out, but it's probably recognized as useful that the absolute underclass (people who are single from lack of wealth and often live rather isolated within cities) can use a VPN and get off on a few pictures rather than getting all frustrated and committing crimes instead. The goal is to have them work 10-14 hours a day for little pay and keep them pacified, porn via VPN contributes to this, therefore not bad.
If you search 'homosexuality' with Bing or Baidu, it obligingly goes 'Nope, no such thing exists, no search results and you should probably stop asking'. If you use a VPN and search with google, you get information. Is this a threat for the regime? No of course not, because people are still going to keep it semi-secret in a way most people won't even know homosexuals exist. The political objective isn't to go all Russian-Iranian and exterminate people born homosexual (because last time I checked, neither Trump nor DeSantis is the chairman of the CCP), the objective is to keep it a mostly-secret so it doesn't become known in the mainstream, much less becomes accepted.
So if you want to use a VPN to look at gay things, you do you. And there's an implicit knowledge that if you try to supress that, bad things will happen as you may have a bunch of very unhappy homosexuals now organising against the regime.
Who needs that level of agro? The objective is stability for China, so if you're the CCP, let them do their gay things as long as they acnowledge it's naughty and should be secret. (individual party members may not have gotten these sorts of pragmatic notes, so your mileage may vary)
So at the party HQ next to the 'Clamp down on the VPNs' button, there's probably a post-it note that says 'Are you sure this is worth a bunch of other problems like more groping?'
So in reality the VPNs only get throttled around the national holiday. 😉
Of course some VPNs are downright infiltrated. NordVPN sells all your data to the Chinese government, so if you use them, you can still be monitored. So when I accessed some docs and downloaded a list of people I know, most of who are pretty high on Beijing's naughty-list in some capacity, suddenly I got a robo-phonecall informing me that my phone was being shut down for 'suspicious activity'.
So having VPN, watching western news etc? Not an issue. Downloading a list of a bunch of people consisting mainly of activists and artists? Now that's when you get a symbolic warning shot.
@@Game_Hero You probably haven't heard about two things, emigration and VPN.
The MPS must have done a great job for me to be hearing about them for the first time ever.
I usually thought that the Red Guard was the KGB of Beijing.
The Red Guards were basically militias formed informally during the Cultural Revolution, whom Mao then gave significant policing power to at the expense of the police and the PLA.
You're correct never heard of them
15:49 I think it is Hukou system, not Hukuo.
Fantastic video!
oh for Feth's sake,,,,,,,, the Public Security is basically the police department of PRC lol
Dear David,
Do you intend to publish the serie ‘Cold War’ in book format?
I’m a boomer and love to take notes and references between itens, which is much more simple on books.
Good morning, everyone :)
Good morning :D
First coffee...then good morning.
@@TheColdWarTV Good idea lol
Bruh, it's 11p.m. here
Any org that is.preceded by "peoples" is brutal and inhuman
Unfortunately life is still pretty cheap in China as they still interning millions of people in labour camps.
Oh, is it likely to overtake the gargantuan number of disproportionally black and brown convicts crammed into the revolting gaols of the globes largest gulag ? The US ‘ prison ‘ network ?
1:45, can I know where those images come from. Are those original film or where they remastered?
Well done. Very difficult subject
I live this stuff daily
Might as well call it the committee of public safety
Committee of public salvation (if directly translated from French Comité de salut public) ?
Looks like they still have those in the present day sadly 😢
Same as the country too
Same as Taiwan and the US lol. WW2-era security apparatus is still in good use up to this day 😁
The timing of this is good, considering that the CCP have opened Police branch offices in Canada to keep tabs on the local Chinese population here.
MSP was the combination of (in US equivalent) police force, FBI, Homeland Security, plus a system of prisons, until the Reform Era (1980s). In the 1980s the FBI and Homeland Security components were separated out to form a new Ministry of National Security. Now MSP is mostly a police force, and not secrete at all.
In the culture revolution, the police component of the MSP was greatly weakened as Mao didn't trust the political establishment and didn't play much a role in the violence.
Hello, David 👋
Have a great weekend
I wonder if the two CIA agents got back pay for their years in prison?
6:59. The very system implemented for extraction in Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker and 5.
didn't they use that in one of the Dark Knight Batman movies?
The very same!
I want to watch this, but it's bedtime now. Goodnight :)
Since PRC still has the MPS, they still technically uses a Cold War style discipline.
You may say it's pre-Cold War, since China's MPS is a direct copy from the Soviets from the 1930s. The same can be said for American FBI.
Are you guys pushing back doing the Vietnam War? You did the French War three years ago and it’s getting to the point where it really should be looked at.
4:29 what gun is that?
And it still works today
Wasnt kang sheng the official organiser of the secret police apparatus in china ? He was more notoriously associated with such work.
The taste of McCarthyism is actually quite good
I would like you to do more videos about greek communists ! Love your content
Weren't they a kind of done thing after the Greek civil war?
@@Game_Hero
They were instrumental in Greece's bankruptcy, nearly made that a load worse and they perpetrate terrorist strikes until basically this day, so no they've not been rooted out.
So, uh, that "Lo Ju-Ching" on the cover of Time is the same person as Luo Ruiqing. Different romanization, and the chinese "r" sound is kinda "soft J" ish. Weird that you wouldn't have picked up on that, considering that Time referred to him by his position.
There was / is a political police in any dictature. For example, we Italians had the OVRA in the fascist age.
Back to communist political police, I remember the most evil in eastern Europe were Securitate in Romania, Stasi in East Germany, Udba in ex Yugoslavia and Sigurimi in Albania.
Rezha Pahlavi's regime in Iran had his political police too, Savak, but the western world told him nothing because he was 'a friend', even if he was a bad man.
The Soviet KGB (in various forms) not only had cells in the Army but its own armed forces (e.g. the Frontier Troops who ran 9 military districts, the Army having 16 in the late USSR) and the Soviet MVD (which ran the camps) also had its own troops (The Internal Troops) who often guarded ammo on Army bases, and that formed a counterbalance to the potential power of the Army, which did not have a monopoly of armed force or the ability to 'plot' in confidence. The Red China regime seems to have been more confident in the loyalty of the PLA, not needing distinct military forces to make a coup seem a hopeless endeavour.
I hope those two got a fat pension, but knowing the government they were probably disqualified as being awol. 🤦♂️
We witnessed Trudeau of Canada and now Starmer of Britain deploying their own Stasi.
it is HuKou in pinyin, not Hukuo. just so you know
You read about *Chinese police station illegally set up in Lower Manhattan last week? 😂
You mean NSA CIA are pure tax-waster?
Lol. I think the russians may have done similar back in the day. But just a guess. That would be a cool topic to cover about the russians.
@Jebus Hypocristos Indeed yes, that's the ones except no pretending to be an embassy! 🤣
@Jebus Hypocristos Excuse me? What's your beef with the world, go fcukin find it yourself you have WiFi, I'm not arguing with you about a new york 'paper report! 🤣 🤣 🤣
I love your videos and have watched all of them, but dude, you're videos are totally randomly jumping back and forth all around the Cold War era. You've claimed that you were covering it with some plan, progressing from the start towards the end of the call war, but that's obviously not true and making it a bit hard to track.
Ministry of public security, aka police department. I'm really surprise to know the patrol down my alley is a spy.
We know about the NKVD, the KGB, the Stasi, or Securitate, we don't know much about the MPS
11:35 - 11:46 The subtitles have been silenced by the MPS.
This place would be a paradise tomorrow if every department had a supervisor with a submachine gun
I'm Chinese from Shanghai, and I'd like to point out an essential flaw here: MPS, which mean 中华人民共和国公安部 in Chinese, is literally the department of police in China. It's not a secret agency that belongs only to the CCP (so unlike Gestapo or Stasi etc.), but on the contrary, it's very public and is simply the administrative agency of all police officers inside PRC. So in conclusion, I'd like to say there's no such thing as a "secret police agency" in China, and for counter-espionage tasks we do have the NSB (国家安全局) specifically for that. So to depict the MPS is as a Gestapo-like agency is definitely misleading, just like claiming that all Soviet policemen are KGB members.
There's a grain of truth tho in the last part as it is clear as a day that some of East German Volkspolizei officers are indeed Stasi officers too although the number that is known is incredibly small due to many Stasi documents being stolen or destroyed after the dissolution of East Germany. Same thing might have happened in Soviet Union also with the KGB
It's not called the National Security Bureau (国家安全局), but the Ministry of State Security (国家安全部, abbreviated MSS).
Xi is also following Mao's footsteps.
Mao would have had him purged for revisionism in a heartbeat. Still, Xi is better than any other leader since Mao. 😂😭
Kinda ironic lol since Xi himself was heavily persecuted by the CCP
As a pedophile?? Mao was 68 years old when he had a 14 year old girlfriend.
Talk about potential Manchurian Candidates.
The Red Guard. (aka) Mao's Blackshirts.
As a Chinese living in mainland China, I think this kind of analogy is an oversimplified analogy. The Red Guard Movement is very complicated, and it cannot be summed up in one sentence. It originated from Beijing No. 4 Middle School, the initiators and experiencers of the year They published a memoir reminiscing about the background of its spontaneous emergence. It was by no means a well-organized mob like the stormtroopers or the black shirts, because there were many factions of the Red Guards shortly after its formation, although all factions advertised loyalty to Mao. Chairman, but they turned against each other in the ensuing turmoil, and both were eventually disintegrated and suppressed.
I tried to use Chinese classification to describe the factions of the Red Guards: Old Guards, Conservatives, Radicals, New Thought, and Neutral. These factions all claimed to be loyal to Chairman Mao, but they had no coordination and affiliation with each other. There were even bloody clashes with heavy weapons between conservatives and radicals.
@@lotsofrainbows The meaning of saying that was not based on how they were organized but more like how they behaved and were used.
@@lotsofrainbows Yes there was some infighting among it during the cultural revolution. Almost sounds similar to the night of the long knives.
The red guards wasn't Mao's Blackshirts but the 4 people gang's Blackshirts, these people would attack anyone against the 4 people gang including people mao knew and old revolutionaries that mao deemed loyal to him
Don't forget, the MPS and the brutal, genocidal regime it serves still exists.
At the same time, the once pro salve Democratic Party still exist. It is a different party now.
@@watchman835 I don't like the current democrats but they are completely and not even comparable to the CCP, which still commits genocide and forced organ harvesting to this day.
@@watchman835 The Dixiecrats and neo-Confederates went over the the Party of Lincoln.
@@watchman835 Thats enough paid spamming on a non political channel. Please be decent and delete your comments and leave this channel alone. Go spam cnn or fox please.
@@watchman835 peking ducklings make quack quack quack 😂
Hong Kong is facing the same fate of Liao Gai nowadays !
The Hukou system is now the default system worldwide courtesy of Big Tech.
No
The hundreds of thousands of people shot in 1950-1952 is correct information, but the so-called Gulag "10 million people who disappeared" etc. etc. is completely false information.
Also in the wrong picture at 14:47, the woman on the right is neither Pan Hannian's wife nor Li Kenong's wife, but Deng Yingchao, Zhou Enlai's wife
Why are you here? Please be decent and dont spam non political channels. You want the channel manager to start going after you and your cowokers? Enough of your spam. Go spam a news channel or something. To channel operator. Feel free to go after the paid accounts thay ruin nice non political channels. Your viewers will be happy to take them down too i think.
@@abcdedfg8340 how is that spam?
@@cockatyusha2359 Just go spam cnn or fox please. Thats enough trying to ruin non political channels.
@@abcdedfg8340 all he did was to make corrections on what he perceives as potential mistakes in the video. You're the one being political by calling his statement spam simply because you disagree with it and associating it with fox and CNN out of nowhere.
@@abcdedfg8340 In short , there is very less history in this video than you think. and as to political , there were alot under the cover of "history"
Nothing happened 👀
Please make a video in the same tone about the "internal security forces" of the FBI and CIA.
Literally had a video titled "The FBI, J Edgar Hoover, COINTELPRO, and Civil Rights" released 3 months ago
Whataboutism, what a surprise!
It would be a little difficult to take the same tone with the CIA/FBI.
When was the last time the CIA or FBI killed millions of Americans in prison camps for being "politically unreliable"?
When was the last time the Democrats had the CIA/FBI kill thousands of their Republicans for politically disagreeing with them?
Or vice verse?
For all their many and varied flaws, the American security services have never acted in the ways the MPS or KGB did.
@@robertbreedlovecraft it's always whataboutism with these types, you gotta love it😂
@Cuber earlier this week Hideo Kojima posted a picture of him with a Saudi prince, which got a more than deserved backlash. Of course the Saudi bootlickers were quick to call hypocrisy on the westerners, even though most people opposed to Saudi Arabia's forever war in Yemen aren't exactly fans of the last 20 years of US foreign policy in the Middle East either. It's much easier to list of the sins of the US in bad faith rather than confront the destructive actions of your own country
@@robertbreedlovecraft The point I was making was that in that and other videos on the West they didn't present those agencies and their actions as inherent to the form of government, as in this video ("staple of totalitarian regimes around the world"). Instead, they described that history fairly straight-forward without coloring it with a certain tone or blanked statements. Why not tell this history in the same way?
Actually China was just now surpassed by India in terms of population
India is not a communist country.
@@tuele4302But Indian counterintelligence is on par with the Chinese ones. Who knows what interesting story RAW or IB had in their sleeves
No change in China, I see.
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Algorithm
You don’t even know what an algorithm is!
to be honest disciplining the defector for beating his wife and for saying meetings are boring seems reasonable actually
Commies. . . smh.
SKYHOOKS!
I love the lack of sources
Next, can we do an episode of how Democrats used to treat black people?
The fun fact is, Democrats are still in power too. So it is a good apple to apple comparison.
Look up southern switch and ever wonder why for example David Duke of the KKK switched to Republican, and got 650,000 votes in Louisiana Gubernatorial Election of 1991. He lost but 650,000 was a lot. Also Democrats back then we’re conservatives did you know that?
Why are you here. Go spam cnn please. This is not a political channel. Now if you do not want the viewers and operator going after you and your coworkers comments , etc then i advise telling all your coworkers to delete their comments, any illegal downvotes, etc to try and demonetize, and then leaving this channel alone.
@@abcdedfg8340 apparently he doesn’t know that dems were right wing back then and ignores the southern switch, also they already covered the Civil Rights Movement.
@@abcdedfg8340 All of that because I am asking for a historical video on Democrats’ slavery past?
Are certain facts prohibited from this channels I was not aware of?
Yes but today's racist Americans vote Republican.
And now America has the NSA 😂
Some inside information do kept in secret, but the betrayers' "reveal" always absurd, compare with the hostile factions' propaganda,
that makes the most deviant imaginings about China in 1949-1976
What I can guarantee is that the so-called "political indoctrination" at that time was far more democratic, rational, fair, and academic than the implied brainwashing by the mainstream media and academics in Europe and the United States today.
@@yudiji1596 You lie, wumao.
@@Evil0tto Repeated indoctrination with a set of self-justifying words will only make you lost to the truth of the world
@@Evil0tto You know ,the US govt Admitted in their website that "Wumao" dont exist but a Fabricated Lies
@@Evil0tto Look more Jon Stuart, less other Fun video.
"It is likely that the agent will be "turned" by simple torture"
Pure baseless, based only on indoctrinated imagination, not on extrapolations that use the awakened imagination
Looks like we've got one of the 50 Cent Party here.
@@Evil0tto Looks as if your mind is so closed without any Diversification views.
@@Evil0tto You know ,the US govt Admitted in their website that "Wumao" dont exist but a Fabricated Lies
@@Evil0tto One truth all of YOU dont understand ,1980+ CCP is more a Semi-colonial bureaucratic government, totally different with before 1976, they are almost enemy. So pro-Mao could make you enemy of today's china's enemy, not got your "50cents"
@@Evil0tto NowadaysCCP is just a tool of West deep states , in a way ,a main way
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