Old Jujutsu against 'Ground & pound'
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At my rough inner city high school 55 years ago I witnessed scores of one on one fights, usually before school started, outdoors. "Ritual fights" involved a lot of verbal insults, footwork, slaps and light strikes. When they meant business, it was invariably a charge, crude takedown and ground and pound. So ground and pound seems to be the basic, almost instinctual tactic for experienced but untrained combatants who mean harm!
Before I ever trained, the first time I saw mount I was like that's what I do and is one of my earliest connections to grappling that made me love it
Your workrate is astounding considering the quality and the amount of research time that must go into these videos
Thanks again for showing solid techniques Ur history lessons and showing how things work Are top notch Thumbs up 👍
I don’t know how you find these old videos, but I love seeing them. Thanks:)
I remember learning this in BJJ.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
i saw mackenzie dern use the butterfly hooks to control the arms just like they show at 5:07 in a mma fight not too long ago to prevent damage on the ground and then she transitoned to an omoplata from there which led to a finish, thats also how i was taught to control the arms in my bjj classes
I love your channel !!! I especially love how you cover all aspects of Ju-Jutsu... Whether it be traditional Samurai or modern MMA Brazilian Ju-Jutsu... You cover it all and have love and respect for it all !!! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year,keep up the good work !!!
The kipping mount escape has been used at high levels in grappling and MMA, what you're saying at 1:50 is wrong.
Great video. Thank you for sharing your video and your knowledge.
Thank you for this amazing video, Chadi. Have you ever done a video about the comparisons between Judo and Hapkido?
He has not to my knowledge, but I’d love to see one
@@conorfiggs234 yes me too. I live very close to a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu class that teaches BJJ, Judo and Muay Thai and there's an Hapkido school few miles away from my house but I'm not in either class because I'm in MMA class that's a little far from my house which also teaches Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu but I'm not learning BJJ yet. I just recently achieved my blue belt but I think probably next month in premium training, I'll learn BJJ as I'm currently learning Panantukan this whole month. My main martial arts style in MMA class is Jeet Kune Do and so far in my MMA class premium training program, I've been taught Savate, Silat, Double Stick Closed Chamber and Stick and Dagger. And the reason why I want to see a comparison between Judo and Hapkido because I'm actually thinking of taking Hapkido in the future, but mostly for the joint locking and joint manipulations along throws and kicks.
Hapkido is Takeda Aiki Jujitsu. Choi’s, sometimes spelled Choe in America apparently, was Hapkido’s founder. His first student, when returning from Japan, was Seo Bok. He was a Judo black belt. Many throws were then added to the throws already in Choi’s program. There was then added many kicks that were being practiced in Korea at that time. Some were influenced by Karate, and some were influenced by more ancient techniques in Korea’s history that had survived the Japanese occupation when they were outlawed. It also greatly depends upon the school, as several types of Hapkido now exist. The Hapkido I studied and continue to practice, had a lot of Judo type throws, although often set up, enhanced, or finished with kicks or striking techniques. Hapkido also has Aikido style throws and techniques which we called self defense techniques. We had 48 basic kicks. Many of which were to be used in tandem with throws. We did extensive rolling, and falling techniques every day as well. We had many cross trainers back then, and when they came to observe a class, I would tell them that we were basically 30% Judo, 30%TKD, 30% Aikido, and 10% Master Choe’s family techniques that were not generally shared or practiced in other schools. Many may disagree, however that’s how I see it and could more easily describe it to prospective students. Back then, in the 80s, Hapkido was quite different than I see today, but I understand why, as the way it was taught, may be way too much for the average person looking for a hobby, to improve their chances if engaged in a confrontation, or for their child’s daycare. We actually called it Hapkido Karate in order that people would know that it was a martial art. I think it’s a very versatile martial art that has very practical applications and some not so practical applications, that are impressive to see and draw in new students.
@@ironmikehallowween thank you for the information. Back in either 2014 or 2015, either way it was way after I graduated from high school in 2014, I went to try out an Aikido class for one day. I didn't officially joined Aikido because back then I didn't have a job yet. So I live close by two martial arts school, one is Brazilian Top Team Brevard, FL that teaches BJJ, Judo and Muay Thai I looked up the school online and find out that the Judo teacher in that school is an MMA coach, which I planned to go see in the future when I start pursing an MMA career. The other school I live close by is Wah Lum's Kung Fu & Tai Chi that teaches Northern Praying Mantis and Tai Chi. But I chose to go to the class that's like 50 minutes away from my house called Elite Martial Arts because I actually wanted to learn Jeet Kune Do, Kali and Silat. So far Jeet Kune Do is my main style because that class teaches other arts in Premium/Elite Training. When I got my yellow belt this past March, I got a certificate to try the premium program and I went to try it out for one day and I was learning BJJ for one day because I didn't officially become a premium member until this past August when I was an orange belt going to purple and I was being taught Savate in late August. September I was being taught either Inosanto Kali or Pekiti Tirsia Kali because I was learning Double Stick Closed Chamber and the whole month of October I was learning Silat and Idk if it was either Madjapahit or Bukti Negara because they didn't specify which one is which. But in Silat I was learning take downs and ground kicks and a little submission. The ground kicks looked more of Capoeira but i'm not learning Capoeira yet. Last month I was learning Kali again, only this time it was Stick and Dagger. And now since December is ending, my final premium training of this year tomorrow night is Panantukan aka Filipino Dirty Boxing. Next week in January, I'm gonna find out what I'm gonna be learning next. As for Hapkido, I want to earn more belts first before I get a chance to learn Hapkido. I just recently got my blue belt and in March of 2022 I'm gonna test for green.
@@ironmikehallowween also another reason why I want to learn Hapkido is because I love the fight between Bruce Lee and Ji Han Jae in Game of Death and also the fight scene between Jackie Chan and Hwang In-Shik in The Young Master when Hwang was joint locking and manipulating Jackie Chan in their fight scene.
These are important things to know but for self defence especially what must always be stated is this is position where you have disadvantage! Don't pull guard unless you have to, this shouldn't be a position where you find yourself voluntarily.
On a side note, if you ever visit the USA, you should definitely visit a Tenshin (Seagal lineage) Aikido based academy. Would make for an intriguing experience and video analysis, considering you have a solid Judo/Aikido background already. There are a few of these Tenshin lineage schools in California (Jaime Calderon) and the midwest/Chicago area (Lenny Sly).
Always like your vids Chadi, Great work as usual. Regarding the use of the guard by the Gracie's, you should check out Kron Gracie's defensive guard (basically a variation of the closed guard, but at an angle to the opponent, one leg starts creeping up the persons back, helping you break the opponents posture as you also hold their head and arm trapped, giving you many options) I've played with this while rolling and its quite effective. I'm surprised its not used more in MMA.
heres the link ua-cam.com/video/YWSFJ1uwb58/v-deo.html
That escape you see Rickson do in the video is most commonly known as a trap and roll escape. It is Lesson 1 in the Gracie Combatives. In the standard variation, the attacker puts a hand or hands somewhere along the midline of your body. You trap an arm and leg on one side, and execute a low-amplitude roll to one side, with the option thereafter to escape the situation by pushing away from the opponent, or by passing his guard to establish a form of side control, or to take the mount yourself. The second is the punch block variation in which the attacker has a high mount. You improve your bad position and avoid punches by sitting up, hugging his torso, then anchoring your hands on his shoulders and using your feet and arms to pull up. You then snake an arm through to trap an arm on one side. In a training situation, there is a danger of the top man getting his fingers bent backwards when the roll is executed, so he has to put the back of his hand to the mat. If an attacker on the street gets his fingers bent backwards, too bad. The third major variation has the attacker apply a headlock from the mount. All you have to do is place a monkey grip on that biceps, pin your elbow to your side, trap the leg on that side, and execute the roll. This is bread-and-butter GJJ/BJJ.
@@vids595 Hence my use of the phrase "most commonly known as."
Something that is truly unstudied or at least understudied is the effectiveness of striking from a bottom position. In most cases it is looked at as ineffective. I would argue that elbows from the closed guard, up kicks, and pretty much any kick thrown off the back can be game changing
Tony ferguson has that on lock eddie bravo has been studying this idea ever since he founded 10th planet jiu jitsu
That's because striking from the bottom is NOT effective, generally speaking. You do not have the leverage, you do not have gravity, and you have less of your bodyweight available to put behind your strikes.
Every strike you throw from the bottom requires you to spend energy, and forces you to sacrifice control of your opponent.
Elbows from the guard are for sport, upkicks can certainly work and are taught in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, but as a rule, you want to exhaust your opponent through control.
@Joseph Nevaras Plenty of fights are one on one. We have all the footage in the world to show for it. No martial art prepares you for more than one opponent, you simply do what you can to survive in that case.
Not effective without control already with the exception of a lucky upkick
I really love your videos! Super informative
very good . the rules makes the game . great video as allways .
good stuff once again! Could you kindly share the name of the judo book quoted at the beginning of the video? Many thanks and season greetings!
Those aren't butterfly hooks at 5:08. You're driving with the upper shin and pulling with your hands to prevent movement from all directions.
Please make a video about the similarities and differences between hapkido and judo
Great video as usual
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This music is always in chadi's videos; what's the song name?
Check out "Oni" Yokoyama, one of the Four Guardians of the Kodokan. He beat a practitioner of Takenouchi-ryu by ramming his head into the dojo piller.
Old jujutsu was brutal. We've seen how far the Gracie's will go to protect their art's legitimacy, why would it be any different for Japanese schools with centuries-long lineages?
#saku
There are a bunch of traditional martial arts that are just Bullshido nowadays. The martial arts/combat sports evolved very much. Boxing from 1950 is totally different from 2020. Even BJJ in 20 years ago is different from today. Any modern MMA fighters would easily defeat those century old martial arts very easily.
Like all things, the sport has evolved far beyond this, but the basics are still the most important. Just remember that there are BJJ black belts who can knock out other BJJ black belts from the top of mount.
Its self defense not a sport,you will be attacked by stronger bigger men who only want to punch your head and nothing else
“Old Jujutsu vs 3 guys jump on you and 1 guy using a metal bar” please
Run, if you can't run, get the metal bar lol obviously there is no magic solution in any martial art. But god forbid I was in that situation I would rather have decades of training rather than being untrained...
As a grappler i would Run rather than fight the three guys
Staying in shape so you can escape quickly by running away is valid self defence.
What about ''Old Jujutsu vs Darth Vader'' ?
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You guys, he is referencing the event that Helios, Carlos, and George Gracie went to prison for... they were defeated on the mat by a catch wrestler named Rufino Dos Santos, and the three of them jumped the wrestler with a metal weapon later in the street.
They broke his limbs, effectively crippling their opponent from competing ever again.
Does anyone has the link to the rener gracie vide
5th comment, wow, it WAS just 10K subscribers, channel grow fast. Edit: now at 7th comment when finished typing and press that submit button 🤣
I don't see many people work enough on raising the hips and throwing your opponent off you! Even if they have under hooks around your legs once you raise your hips you can lead them and toss them off you. One way is to control the arms especially with gi. The other with no grab one wrist or arm with no gi then go under opposite arm pit striking and throwing while lifting the hips. After all in real life you would want out and while controlling arms and pulling close strike to eyes then raise hips and throw. Then get out and finish or go.
Sometimes you need to keep working to free your legs but then post up guide and throw.
is mehdi famous in france?
No. Not even in Brazil unfortunately.
Unknown since he left it as a child.
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The ground and pound was the reason the Gracie family phased out of the UFC. Mark Coleman made the guard less attractive.
Phased out? Their students are all dominating the UFC.
@@tjl4688 Gracie students dominating? Lol, not exactly.
Usman, Ngannou, Khabib, Adesanya, Volkanovski, Namajunas, Petr Yan, Texeira, etc... these guys aren't Gracie students, and they don't favor being in the guard.
@@AztecUnshaven they all train bjj with the notable exception of khabib who u understands how to defend it.
The UFC is a sport for professional athletes,it has no bearing on being attacked by a bigger untrained man.If you are against an elite heavyweight wrestler you are going down and the guard is preferable to side control
@@scarred10 Tito Ortiz and Frank Shamrock were smashing BJJ guys on a regular basis, so was Josh Barnett and Sakuraba. Rolling vs JJ guys isn't really a measure of them being a JJ student, same way they spar vs Judoka, Karateka, boxers, and thai boxers, etc, but that doesn't make them a "student" of that specific discipline, so to speak.
Don't get me wrong, JJ is a great martial art, and a solid foundation to start on, but there are many paths in martial arts.
Please compare Bujinkan with...
Bujinkan is total nonsense.
Is JUDO
Those escapes are good and work but there is another way, if your familiar with kyusho it can be a great advantage especially against ground and pound
Its complete nonsense and even more so if you cannot grapple already.
@@scarred10 it's actually not useless at all, It does work as I have used it in real life, mma won't save your ass when your getting your head stomped on or bring stabbed, even grappling leaves you exposed to both, having the ability to shut down an opponent quickly is a good thing
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As we have witnessed in MMA over the years how many BJJ blackbelt used this counters perfectly against a certain Dagestani's ground and pound , especially their ability to use their legs astonished us alI , also don't forget how effective the gracie techniques were against a certain Sakuraba's ground and pound. Gracies ... a family full of humble and genius people, gotta love'em .
But MMA (even early MMA) and BJJ is a sport with rules, a referee, guarantee no weapons or multiple attackers. Old jujitsu was made for the purpose of multiples with weapons. Records of the samurai (they didn’t have UA-cam so you would have to research and read about it), was very successful and is why they used it for centuries. But most modern versions of the led systems don’t train the way the samurai actually did. With sensitivity exercises, sparing (severe injuries and deaths occasionally happened).
Ground and pound is a great method that replaced the older methods of dropping them and grabbing your short sword or knife.
MMA fighters are used to being bucked around, hence why other techniques are needed to survive GnP in the ring.
Sakuraba trained BJJ, and eventually Ralek also beat him.
Fight by Gracie rules and lose .
wow!, the girl was passed out for awhile there. Terrible refereeing.
It's like the referee had never seen someone go unconscious from a choke before
Re high mount defense: I don't understand I didn't think they had ground and pound in Brazilian jiu-jitsu- in self-defense you would just put your elbow into the sensitive spot like their testicles or any of the pressure points on the inside of the groin- seems kind of applicable for MMA.
MMA use cup so probably it won't be so effective
@@shedunno5703 yea exactly. If you are not in the ring/have below the belt rules - groundwork is totally different.
Or grabbing the side area of the ab muscles, under the ribs.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y dream on ,if you dont have them unbalanced they will be pounding your face,no groin grab or any other grab will have any effect, 1 big punch from mount and your head hits concrete.
@@scarred10 As if unbalancing someone is that hard.
Jujutsu>BJJ
Ehhhh. That's pretty questionable. I say that as someone who spent eight years training in Jujutsu (four MMA fights in that time) and has now switched to BJJ.
@@kaim2437 These days there's a decent chance the BJJ guy has better takedowns then the Jujutsu practitioner.
Chadi it seams like basic escape from tatishio
@@kaim2437 that’s a sport bjj move. Gracie jiu jitsu teaches takedowns/throws and submissions. No JJJ practitioner I’ve ever seen spars, which by default makes it worse than bjj or gjj
@Kevin Geaslin judo is good in terms of throws and leg sweeps whereas goshin jujutsu has kicks, less nage waza but more locks and atemi waza so most judoka I know practice goshin jujutsu to also make it more practical