Lost self defense teachings in Judo & Jujutsu
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- This video discusses the old ways of teaching, self defense, randori and a way that was different from just sending out competitors to win medals with grappling.
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I believe that Judo was practiced differently in the old days, and by those taught by some of those old timers. My sensei I was born in 1900 in Japan and was part of the old Kodokan. Two weeks before his death, we gave a self-defense demonstration at a big event. I showed up and he told me we were demonstrating. I asked what the nature of the demo was. He said “Shinken shobu” and handed me a bag with knives, jo, bokuto. I said “what are we doing?” He said “how about you attack and I defend?” And that’s what we did. I grab, hit, kicked, used weapons, etc., and he defended flawlessly with blows, kicks, throws, locks, etc. He. Was amazing. Old school.
Who was you sensei
@@Chadi Taizo Sone. Nagaoka-sensei's uke in one of your videos.
They need to pass it down to the rest of us or it will be lost.
@@lj3287 unless it was written or put into kata and preserved
i think most judo schools teach "sport judo" so it has lost many of the old techniques or self defence techniques.
Kata is practicing musical scales and cords, to use a guitar analogy, where randori is playing music.
Same ones whom mock kata drills do not mock shadow boxing drills but both serve same purpose.
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Shadow boxibg is dynamic. People can do shadow boxing and nartualy applied what They have learn. While kata is the thing you have to learn and after that discard 100% in real fight
@@vuquanghuy3441 Sorry, that is ridiculous.
@@Jiyukan yeah kata is pretty ridiculuos. Go and watch nippon kempo. They are all from traditional karateka that frustrated with kata and decide to spar more
@@vuquanghuy3441 Forms/kata/patterns, etc are merely meant to be routines using techniques that you can already apply. At least, that is how they were created; they were composed AFTER learning the techniques.
The problem nowadays is people learn the kata first, instead of mastering and applying the techniques within.
I loved to see master Hélio Gracie doing self defense in brazilian jiujitsu ... And the old masters in Judo ... It's great thanks Chadi
We in Gracie jiujitsu in my case I'm from five elements jiujitsu of master Royce Gracie of the UFC and we train and do sparring (jiujitsu with strikes involved ) I would love to see ppl train and spar Judo with strikes also .. cause it's different doing grappling with strikes ... But it's very needed in order to be ready for self defense on the streets
Awesome video, I'm a big fan of all types of Jiu-Jitsu, to me they all have great things to learn from, thank you for sharing.
Thank you for listening
What a time and place to have been, the level of development was amazing.
Indeed
Chadi you’re the man! Huge fan of your channel. This is definitely something that needs to be addressed because there is a huge assumption that all Koryu Jujutsu systems only do kata and no Randori. How else would the Samurai be effective warriors if they didn’t participate in Randori? I come from an old school system and we use the kata as principles to apply in Randori which we do more than kata. The techniques found in the old kata are some of the most effective things Ive seen. Its always been interesting to me that people who should have high fight IQ’s cant see the effectiveness of the techniques because they focus on bashing the methodology. Pressure testing and having access to the old techniques gives you such a razor edge. And contrary to popular belief there are ways to safely train these techniques on a resisting opponent. Keep up the great work my friend!!! 👊🏽🥋
Thank you my friend
Well said!💮
Can you explain some safety ways? I want to know if are the same that i know
@@fernandosulantay Well for starters training the old techniques with resistance should be reserved for higher level students who understand ukemi and body position. One of the Koryu systems I train in has throws and takedowns that dont allow for the uke to breakfall properly. The way we train those is having resistance on the set up and once you execute the the technique you can safely allow your training partner to ukemi. The idea is that if I can get the technique with resistance in randori its at my discretion if I allow my opponent to breakfall once I have him airborne. Another example is with certain techniques using joint manipulation. In my school we go for joint attacks setups in full randori but we try not to give too much resistance at the point when the joint is being stressed. We respect the idea that joint manipulation techniques aren’t takedowns but rather just breaks meaning that I could care less if a joint throw takes you down. I just care about the damage of that particular joint. Training these techniques with full resistance like I said earlier should be reserved for higher level students because of the awareness and control of both parties. Lower level students tend to want to go too hard and something bad usually happens. I have had to stop class way too many times to tend to emergencies that happen because of this. These old techniques are serious business and should be respected.
where do you train
1. Sucker punch can come out of nowhere. In dire situation, deadly force can be useful.
No master of self defense will demonstrate that in kata.
(because then people will see it as 'assasin' martial art)
2. Self defense sometimes contain 'cheat' movement. In sport, 1 of the job of referee is to spot it.
Again no masters of self defence will openly admit that they teach it for competition.
It's what the public wants. People wants to be able to defend themselves without dirty fight move that can cause life threatening injury.
Almost all self defence with the exception of some. For example Krav maga.
That create a problem of no legal competition.
But fear not, there's plenty of . . underground competition ))
I learned judo self defense many years ago in 2 person drills that are in concept identical to the kata of old jujutsu. I went on to use that stuff on the street without ever having sparred it, and it worked fine.
Same. My traditional training worked when it was necessary.
Using this in combat against a strong,determined unwilling opponent,why did W.E. FAIRBAIRN throw out or discard most of what he learned in the dojo?
At 05:13 that's the move from the movie "The Last Samurai" when Tom Cruise is learning and tries to grab the guy he is sparring with..
All my Judo/BJJ dojos taught 5 progressive persuasion levels and variants.
#1 Kata
#2 Randori
#3 Competition
#4 Street
#5 Mortal
No #6 God slaying?
I'm at 8:57 of 15:37 of this video and I am reminded that Myamoto Musashi won his first duel with ground and pound.
Great video! Most people don’t seem to understand what kata is. It’s just a drill to learn techniques. Kata was never a representation on how samurai actually fought. Samurai train kata, sensitivity drills, unknown attack drills and sparing. Now samurai sparing allowed for severe injuries and deaths were allowed and happened. And the ground and pound looks identical on how some jujitsu systems rapidly stab with tanto/ knife, after they drop them but I have no evidence that it is that.
These videos were taken over 100 years after the samurai were outlawed. Most students were not samurai or from samurai families. The government allowed traditional schools to remain open as long as they removed combat methods. So they were left with training only katas or become sport. Some schools kept combat methods in private and some schools today are trying to train in the old ways with safety measures considered.
Good way of looking at it
Judo and bjj have been turn into sport's now I see why Royce doesn't like this bjj everyone's doing now
Royce was only good at fighting inexperienced fighters. Only a couple of gracie were good.
@@j0hn4th4nd03 I know but he's right about bjj it has become a over the top flashy sport far from what Helio did
@@darylfields true, but a couple organizations hold it together still. Cjj (combat jiu-jitsu) league and mma still does well at keeping reality checks.
@@j0hn4th4nd03 I wish judo could go back to self-defense aspect instead of just sport or competition
@@darylfields There is still jujutsu and aikijujutsu. Combat sombo is also pragmatic.
Still the principles are there, have to find a middle point.
We need to be clear in that MMA is not street fighting (Mistakenly known as "Self Defense"), Something I really miss from many Early Martial Arts days (roots) is the striking (atemi). Which, most of the time with the intention of attracting more people thru sportive outlook or to prevent injuries, was set aside. It happened to Judo, also to Tae kwon Do (I think ITF is bringing/allowing punches back into their "kumite") and others. Some other Arts even banned randori completely, which provoke the sense of reality loss
Kumite is a japanese term. And what do u mean it's taekwondo is bringing what back? Last I checked they been doing the same type of sparring since forever. Light contact to the head and no jabs or chained punches more then 3 is banned. Etc while WT taekwondo is full contact but with gear n no head punching. Etc
@@teovu5557 First: that is the reason I quoted the word, I have never practiced TKD before so I don't know the appropiate term/word in that art. Second: I know TKD is not full contact nor Kickboxing. At my college, there is an ITF group of training, I'd checked on 'em a few times and their combat looks a little bit more realistic than it used to be, specially compared to WTF's
@@JohnDoe-kh3hy We are speaking English so why not use the English term...You know..."sparring". a lot easier. lmao
And ITF rules and sparring has been the same since the 1960s. So im confused to what you mean by changed, And yes, WT(not WTF anymore for obvious reasons) is a full on sport that is far removed from real fighting.
Though a few WT fighters have been K1 champions in the past using sport style WT taekwondo like Serken Yilmaz etc
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@@teovu5557 "Sorry" for not having a perfect english, Mr. Twain or Wilde. Actually, since my comment was for Chadi and he has never complain, well... I've had a very good communication with him maybe because he does a great effort to understand me, so I thank him
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OUTSTANDING PRESENTATION! In the last 25 years. The term " self defense " has ben maligned, mis used and denograted because of the business competition of modern systems and McDojo demonstrations of some schools. As a combat veteran and senior martial artist, I have always believed that you will react the way you train and that has been proven throughout history. The Japanese Koryu systems have great value but must be adapted to modern situations and active training. You are doing a great service by presenting this information to many who dont yet know it. Keep up the good work and I'm sure you will make it to Japan to train the way you want! 💮
Thank you 🙏🏻
The valente brothers they fallow Hélio Gracie"s teachings to the letter and pedro valente and his brothers were not the last black belts of master Hélio , their father was ... Of course they all trained together but their father was their principal trainer ... Great family tho ..
Very much looking forward to the Pedro Valente interview! What the Valente brothers are doing looks very very interesting.
Soon
Só vou dizer um nome SAKURABA e acabou kkkkkk
I always say, humans are limited to the laws of the time of the govt they were under. Brazil like many Latin American countries have very stiff consequences to those using force , even to defend yourself, in a confrontation. So, to use defense personal in your business legally says ur showing or teaching to defend yourself. Why I'm bringing this up, bcuz when I was learn bjj, they essence of " bjj self defense" is actually teaching you how go fight with bjj. So, with that being said if you say, I teach you jujitsu to fight will have ppl thinking about wanting to do it . Saying self defense will turn off many ppl these days. A lot of the white belt bjj on the ground, "Self defense" if you will is what most people learn and use in mma. Royce is the main example in the UFC debut . When I was stationed overseas in Rota Spain, the laws of the country regarding use of force in an altercation, even to defending yourself, could have you waiting up to a year for a court date. In Spain , if you strike an individual, even if you are defending yourself, with a fist 👊; will deem you as aggressive. In the US, that is negated. When I teach jujitsu or bjj, I tell my future and current students that you will learn how to fight and or self defense using bjj. The rolling in is important, its the closest you will get to an active altercation in a confrontation involving a fight. I teach using the grips and grabs without the clothing first and then with the gi. The curriculum from white to blue in my opinion and experience doing bjj is the higher percentage of technical and practical use outside a controlled environment e.g. the dojo/ academy etc.
Know with the issue that happened with Andre, I really think that his instinct being that adults are adults, at the time, had his guard down. Andre knows the " self defense " guys. I lived in San Diego for 5 years during my time in the Navy stationed there. He is a born again Christian, good guy but also a competitive person. Trust me if he felt the need to fight he could so, im not advocating that he should. I think he was shocked by the other person's behavior. Who knows...
GM Carlos learned from count komo who showed what he felt was the foundation for jujitsu at the time given that he in all respects was doing mma matches during his time with the Gracies. Therefore a student will learn what the instructor teaches, even if the other portion of jujitsu e.g. wrist lock self defense wasn't huge enough to be handed down. The clinch essentially negates that barrier or range of techniques, since you've neutralized the opponents arms.
good video....
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Master Pedro Sauer 8th degree red/blk blt
Chadi I always enjoy your videos. This was a good video and I also enjoyed your video on striking in jujutsu; I have one comment and question. In your other video you speak of striking once the assailant is put in a bad position from Judo/Jujutsu ( up close) but I have not noticed with Helio, Royce striking from a distance (kicks open hand strikes) and with Vallenti Bros as well as with some traditional Jujutsu schools online,. There are even websites giving Brazilian names to these strikes. Are there historical records showing techniques more like Karate as part of Jujutsu (Longer range techniques)?
Interesting watch. It looks to me like the very strict forms were a good idea given the time period. They're designed to teach the technique without causing injury. A blown ACL or broken ankle was a lifelong injury that couldn't be repaired. Also, a hernia wasn't fixable back in early 1900s Japan so it would have been a career ending injury.
I would imagine most of the techniques were kept relatively secret also. The armlocks, throws and chokes work much better if done by surprise on someone who hasn't seen them.
Lastly, there was probably some sort of basic randori to teach balance, grips, etc.
This is just my guess. It's not like you could throw your body around and injure it like today.
Body types and athletics have also changed. Most of the techniques were designed to work on a smaller and lighter weight individual that hadn't practiced any type of athletics in high school.
"There is no self defence in BJJ anymore". THE TRUEST WORDS SPOKEN
It’s funny, the Gracie’s self defense techniques. Can be found in old judo books.
Donato pires was a student of Jacinto ferro wich he was a direct black belt under sensei Maeda ..
Carlos Gracie learned directly with Donato pires ... With Maeda and Jacinto ferro they trained but not directly every day but in seminars made by Maeda and Jacinto ferro ... But we know that the only japanese master that trained Carlos Gracie directly wasn't in fact Maeda but Geo Omori another kodokan Judo master with more focus on kosen Judo ... We know that as a fact and also we know that Sensei Maeda formed 4 black belts with diplomas with his signature, 2 of them were Jacinto ferro and Donato pires the others I eard the names but don't know nothing about them ...
There's alot of misconceptions and miscommunications in what kata is in the west. The whole practicing of kata with a static non resisting opponent was never true (people probably got that from looking at akido or something). You're suppose to be resisting and moving when practicing kata within the respect of learning the true lesson of that kata
So true . To judge Koryu by watching kata alone is literally like judging a book by the cover. Kata is a teaching tool, to allow training of core principles. It is not a direct self defence tool though you can ramp up the resistance and realism as much as you wish.
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Good video, really enjoyed it.👍
Those techniques are not really lost. Maybe they've being trained a little differently and against greater resisting force today but still the same techniques, you just have to be in a self defense oriented Dojo. IMHO learning kata without bunkai is like only reading the cover of a book...you know what it's about but you dont understand the book.
Isn’t jiujitsu self defense? When he quoted the gracies as saying if you don’t know self defense you don’t know jiujitsu!!
Olden Days
Boxing (olden days fisticuffs), Judo (chops and funny stances)
No longer done. More dynamic and sports scientific.
McDojo's (American) stylistic, 12th Dan Masters and Cheap merchandise.
Not the best. Overshadows anything of value. Missing a lot of useful subject matter and it's future development.
Early days (Is MMA that different?)
70's Kung Fu and Karate (Breaking, Tournaments)
It was new and people trained really hard back then.
Eastern travel (all sorts of crazy stuff) now that's some more Movie material.
Dismissive
The general public see only the surface of things and then dismiss it.
Missing large areas of study (for example Kosen Judo) not to mention BJJ.
The Bruce Lee experience etc.
This happens quite often.
Turtling has already exist from ancient times. it is exist in snake fist. both kung fu and silat has snake fist
I see these old videos and wonder how painful training throws was back then, with no real mats.
I'm just gonna be a judo hippie for myself, maan
Great video at the end of the day the is important because it gives you a base to work off of. Randori is to flow under stress. MMA is a sport that's the reality if you look at MMA from the United States there's a lot of rules that benefit the grappler. If you look at them in May in the world context like another countries
Striking is very prevalent effective. At the end of the day though drilling techniques. The self-defense portion needs to be taken seriously. Once you start adding vital strikes, pressure points and weapons what we see as components of MMA as being effective. That kind of fighting an effective. But if one does every aspect of disciplines ready to fight in a real-world situation. Let's look at Kendo. For example the armor allows you to hit hard and aggressively. But there are Kendo practitioners who are able to pull off traditional Kata techniques while under extreme pressure and speed. You definitely have to merge the old and the new.
I agree
Of course the police and the military have different kind of training than the civilian, that's why I always comment on martial art sport fanbois if they really want to be warriors, join the police or military, they're the modern warriors. The police and the military not only training in one martial art, they trained in various types of martial arts because they have to face enemies who use various kind of martial arts. Special Force in my country combined karate, taekwondo, judo and silat in their unarmed combat training. In fact, ancient warriors did the same, I mean learn many kind of martial arts, because they have to, "know thy enemy and know thy self".
Civilian martial arts are watered down version for recreational and sport only. All these martial art schools ego are just business. Real warriors learn everything and it is an endless learning...
Absolutely correct. They study anything that might give them the edge. Most people I know who have actual experience have a very small bag of tricks that are practiced thoroughly. They work just as hard on their physical fitness, as they go hand in hand. Weapons are trained as well, because real opponents use them extensively.
That's a great point, one simple example is kendo and police Kendo.
Ancient warriors such as knights or equivalent will learn everything because they must know what they're dealing with, it is their job to protect their lords and kingdoms from all manner of threats. Similar to our security forces today. As soon as they have contact with other people, they will learn about those people, including their martial arts. It is the basic principle in the art of war.
The rivalry between martial art schools today is actually against that principle.
Chadi a question my friend when you said turtle position in mma and jiujitsu, I believe it's not with your back on the floor like you show there in the pictures from the book ... In jiujitsu and mma in general the turtle position is when you have all 4"s or all 6"s or even all 8"s on the floor with your back turned up and elbows and knees closed together ... So why did you call turtle position with the back on the ground ?? Couse that's called open guard at least in jiujitsu is ...thanks sir
Bro Tani was playing open guard in the book as a way to defend and dis not turtle, that's the purpose of this photo
@@Chadi oh ok sir .. so it's open guard .. that's ok because I got the ideia that you sir called it turtle position, no disrespect here. Just trying to understand things ... Be well sir ...
And once again thanks for clearing this things for me ...
Love your historical channel .
Thanks for sharing .
Osu
Thank you for sharing. It shows how "sport" training has watered down both martial arts. Trying to find a judo club or bjj academy that trains the old self defense curriculum is almost non existent. Especially here in the USA
Listen to my talk on self defense with Pedro Valente
@@Chadi is it one of your post?
@@Tikoloshe- yes
When it comes to the incident of The Slap. Scenario training is one of the best trainings you can do to build your confidence in a self-defense situation. Mind you that violence doesn't happen in a vacuum. When feelings get flared up the mine frogs and all logic goes out the window period so wherever they were arguing about feeling the fire of the line clouding technique. That's why you'll see sometimes people who are well-trained do funny things like Haymakers stuff that looks straight out of some kind of old school karate. While being in a ring is scary it's different when you are fighting applying. But yes you're right he did get slapped and look like he didn't know what the f*** to do
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Chadi, you have the most incredible videos that cover this topic. Your uploads are as wide as they are deep. Sincere thanks for you efforts. They are much appreciated.
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judo kata is different then people literally throwing themselves like in aikido
Justice for tradition jujitsu❤️
We have a 75 year old that comes sometimes, still gets out there on the mat to do the drills
Mostly he shows really simple ways to do things. Everyone always overcomplicates stuff
And then randori, he goes out against the white belts, gets his one throw, then hes done for the night and rests off to the side
But I guess in reality one good throw is all you need 🤷🏻♂️
Where did you get this footage from?
Where would you say is the best place for newaza? And would you say there's anywhere better than training BJJ in brazil (for newaza)
There are still universities in Tokyo that still practice Kosen judo.
@@SI-ln6tc true. Kosen judo doesn’t get int the over complicated flash stuff. I think that makes it more realistic in defense situations.
Don't need to go to Brazil, just look for a highly competitive gym (look at IBJJF rank). There are a bunch of good Brazilian coaches outside Brazil.
Flavio Canto, see if he's teaching he's highly knowledgeable in both
Thanks for this collection
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I like what the Valente bros are doing in terms of technical work. But their continuation of in my mind this "helio cult" puts it in a very bad light, theyre educated and they know what theyre doing. It's unacceptable imo. And they are doing very similar mcdojoish marketing practices as the "Gracie Academy" in torrence, especially with their own gi style
I had a long talk with Pedro Valente, he's very knowledgeable, he pays a lot of homage to Judo and the Japanese pioneers (he's a judo black belt) he's trying to preserve their old teachings of self defense and what Helio taught him. I appreciate what they're trying to do in their school.
@@Chadi way to not address any of my concerns lol, I agree with your take. But go look at their video about Helio's criminal record and Rufino Dos Santos. They're deliberately misappropriating history
@@kristianOLS well you didn't mention precisely the Rufino incident, how can i address it? We talked about it he said it's wrong and he's not perfect, also said it's pure ignorance regarding Kron and the guard claims, talking with him face to face was beneficial, we should talk to all sides.
Cool video and very informative. I've been a fan of both arts and 55 years of age, I feel like I'm too old to start training, but these artforms are so damn awesome and motivating to learn. Great video Chadi!
It's never too late
You can still live another 30 years ¿Why dont use them?
Thank you so much for all the knowledge you are sharing. Your channel is awesome.
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What did he do @5:47
Great Video Chadi! The best self defense training i’ve experienced was with Krav Maga (i’ve also trained in Judo, BJJ, Army Combatives and Muay Thai). The training actually closely resembled the training at 5:00 with street clothes. People would encircle you and attack a random with near full force (1 with up to 4 people attacking) and you would have to defend and spar them until the next attack. This would go on for about 3-5 minutes.
This is not surprising since the founder of Krav Maga was a Judoka and Jiu-Jitsu practitioner in the 20’s and 30’s - and Krav Maga’s self defense techniques and training methodologies are simplified / modified Judo/jujutsu techniques.
Good video and this is an important topic you are bringing to the surface. Martial arts like Judo and BJJ seem to of turned more and more for sport and less about defense. While Sport Judo and BJJ have its place, those that learned traditional Kodokan Judo know for example the value of self defense. Nage No Kata for example, is much more than just a throwing kata to get your Shodan, their are certain grips which can be used without a gi and uke learns some of the critical striking you talked about in your other video, such as the strike to the crown of the head and to the temples, which are both great for self defense.
I also feel this is an opportune place to bring up the role of Aikido. Some of the police I know who have studied both Judo and Aiki find Aiki has been more practical from a defensive point of view, such as when someone reaches for you, as it keeps the distance, unlike Judo which closes the distance, not always the best scenario of the person has a knife or some other weapon hidden away.
Wrist locks have their place
Wrist locks are actually pretty easy to gain on subjects that are drunk, uncooperative but not combative, or significantly smaller than you
what music did you use btw
total earworm, so familiar yet can't really place it
Rude - eternal youth
@@Chadi holy shit it's a Naruto remix :D
Thanks bro :D
A lot of this looks very much like TJF Jiujitsu - which if I remember right is Aiki Shorinji-kan Jiujitsu. I did this in university - they focus primarily on self-defence drills, starting off slow & co-operative, and getting faster & faster & less predictable, like circle drills where tori stands in the middle of a circle of ukes & can be attacked from any angle by them in any manner of ways. You get to the point where it's so well-drilled that if anyone starts any of the attacks you've been taught to defend against you go into autopilot - BUT I have to say it's pretty limited: although they say they have a yearly randori meet it's not recognisable randori that any judoka would recognise. I'd recommend studying with TJF to gain this self defence training, BUT also do Judo or BJJ to learn to actually *fight*. Both together is good.
Can you learn jiu jitsu at home ONLY?
You need a good professor to teach you at home
if anything this guy says works than it will work in mma if it does not then he is wrong
MMA fanboys are something else, gtfoh with that
You know what I don’t get? From a headlock, why not use sukui nage or obi otoshi? That whole flip across and over your back doesn’t seem practical or efficient from that position.
The book: Opening Closed Guard of Robert Drysdale explains everything
I have seen a video of yours that has animated techniques towards the end of the video, mostly judo knee take downs if I remember. Do you remember which one it was?
Maybe "ijf politics "
@@Chadi Thanks for replying. I just don't remember if it was animated though... Maybe just knee take downs in old film...
That sounds like an excellent training experience! That's the kind of thing I'd love to learn. Great vid as always.
I think another issue that we're dealing with is that more people are able to see these techniques. And when we look at MMA we believe that we have the ability to fight like MMA people who have been doing it for years. The reality is that a person who has a lot of training , has a mix of self-defense kata and force-on-force training will be a lot agile in the ability to execute techniques. We also underestimate the kata. And the reason why is because we are looking at people well put together and above ability level. When you see people off the street practicing Jiu-Jitsu or boxing it takes them sometimes a whole year to get the techniques down. For example I study the practice tankendo and teaching beginners how to thrust Acura lease tremendously challenging. What do katas doing that one single movement. One side on the armor and I tell him to thrust epicly failed but after a while of doing it. Drills are tremendously important they are the foundation of all Dynamic fighting. But now people love martial sport so as long as people realize the difference between Sport and combative ideology then we're doing good.
The armlock in the thumbnail is white belt material in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Sport schools may have thrown out the self-defense for sure.
My opiniom.. we all still learning.. every move every step we do in judo or any martial art we learn from our old Teachers we can not ever fotget that, we getting older to so our studends will remember us🙏
Brutal ...Cheers from Chile 🇨🇱👏🏻 .Great Channel !!!!
I didn't see the slap coming, either - or landing. Time stamp, anybody?
These Videos are a treasure trove of useful information. Thanks for making them, OSU!
Mr Chadi, what is your point of view about Mr Le Morrison? I believe he is the best of bests when it comes to real self-defence.
I don't know him I'll check
I believe that Judo was very different before the War and after. All forms of "martial arts" were banned, but Judo got away with being a "sport" and was allowed to continue training. I believe that there were loads of self-defense training, that stayed in BJJ and various forms of "jujutsu". BJJ pretty much dropped that form of training in the 90s. All the same, I still feel that static attack and defense drills are close to pointless.
I really wish we had a documented curriculum of old training
Thank you for sharing this video. True mastery is self mastery.
But almost none of the techniques shown in this video are "lost" - as a GJJ practitioner i recognize almost all of them, and they are all used in Gracie GJJ for street defense today. Most are in the Combatives program, some in the blue belt stripe courses. even the techniques being used by the guy in that old film where he was wearing street clothes exist now in the GJJ program, although they are not exactly the same anymore (GJJ is constantly evolving)
It's called teachings not techniques
@@Chadi OH, yeah, ok so now I get it. Cool footage you have there in that video by the way, it was cool that i recognized so many techniques even though they were being done by guys who are now long since dead and gone.
Are you a member of the gracie family?
@@djangomatador9442 No, I'm a Gracie student
Brother please upload a video of judo vs multiple opponents
Great content. Best wishes from The Country Of The Rising Sun, Tokyo Japan 🇯🇵
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@@Chadi if you ever come to Japan please let me kno’ I’ll treat a delicious 🍜
@@yamatoking I'll keep that in mind, I'm honoured
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Hi Chadi, Thank you for yet another great video 🙏 ; if you go to the modern day Kodokan website there are actually some 9 Kata mentioned although the ninth seems restricted in it’s description; Kata number 5 is the Goshin-jutsu no Kata (Kodokan self defence); there is a UA-cam video which demonstrates the kata; I’ve said this before Jujutsu was purely a combative art (literal translation) with one outcome; because of this Kano developed Judo as he saw the change from Feudal Japan to modern times. I have to say that when you watch the old videos of traditional martial arts like judo you see things like timing and technique all you see in modern judo (as say in the Olympics) is strength and little or no technique! Martial arts has no ego no winning or loosing well its how I was taught or have I missed something? Again great video and thank you 🙏 for sharing the old footage without this everything is lost 😞
Thank you Gary, I'll see
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Just found your channel. Am now a subscriber. Thanks for this great work.
Thank you
I honestly think that if you do Judo & Jiu Jitsu period, you should have no problem with self-defense. Competitive sparring however is necessary, it's not enough to simply practice and learn the moves, students gotta put their new moves to the test against a resisting force that's trying to use the same strategy of techniques against you. Here's the issue and misconception, there is no martial art in the world that will protect you (or at least will lose its effectiveness) against knives, guns and gang ups, in fact gang ups is probably a grapplers biggest weakness, knives, I mean, I myself have dodged a knife once, against a drunk person at the bar while bouncing, but I got lucky, had I been stabbed well, who knows what would've happened to me, a gun, my win percentage goes down below 10% and gang ups, I mean I can take on maybe two people maximum and that's if they're both pretty average or weak individuals, once it passes two, the win percentages continue to get cut in half and so on and so forth. This is all just speculation, there's no exact science to what I'm saying, but I've been jumped a total of three times, lost them all, there's just no winning at that, no matter how good you are.
You think judo's newaza is insufficient for self defence?
@@bruceparker6142 Idk what the hell Judo Newaza is, I do Judo, just plain Judo, you start adding stuff on something and I'm not gonna really be able to take it seriously unless it has to do with Wrestling.
@@walkingcorpse1224 How is it that you supposedly do Judo, and yet don't know what newaza is?
@@arap8217 I like how you say "supposedly", well I just go into practice, do my thing, then go out and compete, not really that hard to understand how I don't know about something that's irrelevant to my training. But hey, if ur ever in Texas, lemme know, we can have a full grappling match in a tournament here in Texas, the real proof is in competition.
I said supposedly because even the utmost Judo (which you claim to do) beginners know that "Newaza" is simply the ground fighting aspect of Judo, let alone a competitor you claim to be. That's why it's hard to believe, bc even your BJJ "messiahs" Gracies and Danaher acknowledge Judo Newaza and are aware of what it is.
However, if it's gonna be a match, it's not gonna be restricted to grappling, it's gonna be anything goes, no holds barred, bc fighting under rules that favour scooting on your butt like a sick dog, and crying foul when thrown hard aren't a proof of anything except the ruleset on its own.
So, ditto for letting me know about a match if you're ever in QLD.
Kata is form o coordination this comrs 1st learn body mech then rondori 2 get insights
Kata has its place
Thank you for showing these and making the videos you make.
You're very welcome
Most of the Gracie self techniques look borrowed from kime no kata and Kodokan goshin jutsu
They're Kodokan techniques
@@Chadi and that’d be why lol. Drysdale’s right, they didn’t introduce any novel ideas or concepts.
I understood majority of this video, but what is the connection with Quater? Were they the ones who introduce judo and bjj?
Quater?
@@Chadi yes why Qater?
Amazing Video, Very eye opening. Whats the song in the background?? I'd really like to Jam it!
Thank you
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@@Chadi how does one find a place to learn and practice these original, and Seld-defense based Judo techniques?
Is this part of the art completely lost in schools?
I was gifted Jigoro Kanos book "Kodokan Judo" when I was young, I've never trained in the art though it's always been a dream and goal of mine (I've done muay thai).
Are you familiar with "Kobukai Ju Jitsu"? This American man took what he deemed as the most effective techniques of two different schools of Ju justsu, and a tradition of Aiki-Jutsu. He condensed them and made his own Modern Combat Version of Japanese Ju-Jutsu. If you ever found the time to look into it, I'd love your opinion!
@@Marquise.Falcon maybe the police in Japan, I'll check kobukai out
Very cool, thanks for that!
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Great video ☺️
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Cool stuff as always!
Thank you very much
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Chad,there are no reflexes involved in self defense or any fighting,there are well learned skills,anticipation and pattern recognition but no reflexes since reflexes cannot be learned. If I'm taken completely by surprise no skill I've learned can be used,you will just flinch,that's a reflex.To apply this to galvaos situation,he first had to recognise the threat,control the distance,anticipate the attack and act first theres no reflex.
⬆️ This is number one bullshit! ⬆️
You can train to instinctively raise your arm up ready to protect and strike and cover your face, not extend it and back off, and distance control.
@@Chadi it's not instinctive,its anticipatory.
@@scarred10 train yourself to whenever you get stratled to assume a ready position rather than flinch, it's possible
On Andre Galvao. I believe a reason why he got slapped was a fundamental weakness that a confident aggressor has is that they psychologically let their guard down because they often feel empowered and don't think that the victim will strike back. That is the element of surprise that a defender often has. I think that's why if you watch the Active Protection channel you will often see the victim successfully defend themselves using a surprise counter attack.
I first noticed this when I was around 11 years old and a very aggressive (sociopathic would be a better descriptor) playground bully with a sharpened stick, yeah, no Monty Python joke, a sharpened stick, forced me to sit on a playground swing while he used me as a human pendulum.
Although I had not started martial arts yet I had already been in a fair share of playground fights so I was able to keep my cool, read intentions, and feigned feeling terrified and sick until the moment I knew he lapsed into overconfidence and put his stick down so he could aggressively fling me around while I was on the swing. The dummy stood right in front of me so I came flying off the playground swing airborne, kamikaze style, flying into him, knocking him backwards and started "swinging for the fences" as they say and just overpowered him with repeated punches and rough-n-tumble wrestling and then headed for the exit once he was downed. Whoa was he ever mad when he got up! Crying and hysterical he threw the sharp stick/spear at me but I had retreated about 20 feet away to get outta there and he gave up on the idea of chasing me.
The point being that there must be some psychological phenomenon that occurs with many aggressors where they think a victim will not fight back and they let their guard down.
But Andre should have known Gordon is taller, trained and physically fit