DIY Midpipe Install & OEM muffler cut on an F80 M3 - Active Autowerke (F82 F83 M4)
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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Dude you are totally helping me out. I have been trying to find out how my M Perf exhaust will sound with the AA Mid-Pipe if the AA Mid-Pipe can be attached to the M Perf muffler without cutting the piping on the M Perf. Looks like this video answers that question and it needs to be cut. I'll likely not go that route since I already cut the OEM exhaust piping to install the M Perf exhaust. Don't like having so many exhaust clamps. Prefer Flanges. Just a quick tip....instead of using the reciprocating saw try using the cutting wheel tool. With that you will not need to remove your exhaust and cutting the piping takes 2-3 mins per pipe.
On a side note, I can totally relate to working under a car with jack stands😂. What would I not give to get a lift😄 Friendly tip on installing the muffler. Use your jack with a 2x4 wood piece to raise and lower the muffler. That way you won't be killing yourself trying to raise it as you line up and tighten the clamps.
Ricky thanks. Good tips! I’m glad the video was helpful.
I think m performance with this midpipe will sound significantly better
Sounds like a leaf blower with the valves closed 😂
Shot by Kumar leaf blower sounds better !
Tommy L Garage have you watched the video on how to start the car with valves open? Turn on ignition only. Go from efficient to sport. Press accelerator all the way down until you hear valve open and then start car. It’s so much louder and aggressive!! Would love a video with you trying it out
Canada S I will give it a try for sure hopefully before I install my new muffler... wink
Haha
Ha I was watching the video and all the way to the end I was telling myself, he’s not keeping that long he already mentioned the Dinan.... then boom you say it! Great video Tommy
m3summ haha yes!!! Glad you watched till then end
Wow what a difference just with opening and closing the valves 😮
Sounded good!
Good job on your new exhaust.! 👍🏼 not everyone likes a loud exhaust all the time..!
Amaury Lopez Thank you but actually I am not very happy with it and if you wait a few weeks I will have yet another surprise ha ha
I love the deep sound 👌🏾
Thanks. Me too!
Got to love a modded M3 👍
Thanks!! I love it
Wrapping your exhaust will almost eliminate the rasp sound. I had real bad rasp on my previous v6 car and after I wrapped the exhaust it sounded way better and deeper. DEI EXHAUST WRAP KIT
Interesting idea.
@@TommyLGarage I traded in the Kia Stinger I had for a M4. And if you look up stinger exhaust videos every single one of them has a crazy amount of rasp. So when I ran a exhaust on mine I wrapped it from the downpipes to the muffler myself b4 install and made a huge difference.
Sick
The difference between open and closed is huge.
Makes it possible to sneak in the house at night
Haha that’s why I did it
My wife's going to enjoy it again;)😄!
Sean Allen haha yes! Someone finally picked up on it
This sounds so freaking good. The S55 CAN sound great 👍 whoever disagrees has a hearing problem lol
Alex R. It’s still a bit too quiet for me
You are so lucky that you have a Bmw M3 f80, My dream is to buy one like yours.
Thanks! Don’t worry. Dreams do come true
Get the MPE and you won't get the stupid drone and sounds awesome. They have updated V2 with addition tab to fix the crack issue.
This might be my option #4 :)
If you go catless downpipes you'll get the sound level you want. I have those combined with a mid pipe very similar to yours and the competition rear muffler and with the valves open it is so very loud. Still decent with the valves closed though!
reaprr but two things: warranty and extra smell. I do like my downpipe cats
@@TommyLGarage True but it really shouldn't break with just a bit more boost and a free flowing exhaust if the tune is right. At least thats what I tell myself haha
reaprr I cross my fingers every time I track it!
Can’t wait to see what you put on lol. I just bought a YMB M4 about a month ago and i like the sound but it’s just not loud enough for me. Keep It up with the videos! Hopefully the dinan muffler paired with the AA midpipe will be nice and juicy 😉
Sean Shamaun Ha ha how did you figure out my secret?
Very nice video!
Thanks! I hope it was somewhat helpful
Quite impressive sound Tom, good job ı am following ;)
Arda Tunca thank you! But we’re not done yet :)
He seems exhausted after this job. ;)
Michael when I was done I had to intake plenty of water :)
Great to see this video up!
I have the AA midpipe in the garage waiting for me to find the time to fit. Since my backbox (muffler) has been modified with some baffles removed, I'm hoping it will give the perfect balance of noise level and 'premium sound' as you've put it.
Question - do you think it't possible to cut the muffler in place rather than removing the whole system? Ie. is there enough clearance to get the reciprocating saw in there? Trying to figure out how much time to assign to the job ;)
Wow you may have just found a good solution! Let me know how it goes.
The exhaust can be easily cut on the car. I cut mine on the ground since I was removing the whole exhaust but yes you can defiantly do it on the car - it’s much easier actually
Tommy L Garage - I shall get a video uploaded when done 👍🏻
I bench press a muffler. 9:25 latex gloves are not so good (they rip too much). Get cloth gloves from Home Depot.
Exhausts are exhausting 😴
Amazing. Any chance you the type of sandpaper and paint used for the exhaust ?
It was 400 grit
Tommy, have you considered the REMUS muffler also? It is a direct bolt-on to the AA mid, similar to the DINAN
Dayvid yes I did. Will try something else first :)
Thx for the great video!!
Do you by chance know if the MPE titanium exhaust has the same 1.5" cutting instructions that the ZCP exhaust has?
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing. Question - you’ve paired the midpipe up with a CP muffler. How do you think the mid pipe would pair up with a non CP muffler?
It would sound great too. I’ve heard it in Person.
I have a DP + ZCP setup that is much like having the AA Midpipe in that it significantly reduces rasp while maintaining stock cabin noise with the valves closed. However having a too free flowing exhaust will apparently introduce rasp back into the sound quality of your exhaust so if a DP is in your future for maybe a BM3 tune (which has been my favorite mod so far), you might run into some more adjusting of your exhaust setup.
Also, completely unrelated but how do you like having the moonroof as opposed to the CF? I currently have MR but I get CF roof envy all the time just for the aesthetics.
AtomicTealM3 downpipes are a no no for me since I want to have cats. Muffler setup is next.
And I love my sunroof. I specifically looked for an M with a sunroof. I can run a roof rack and also comes in handy for camera mounting. And I really enjoy the added light.
@@TommyLGarage Ahh, gotcha. Thanks for your insight
You should have left the muffler off and just added one more resonator on the mid section to maintain volume but clean up drone
RogE90 I also was not happy with the design. Valves closed meant exhaust flew only on one side.
Tommy L Garage maybe consider a electric cutout exhaust on the mid section before the mufflers. Best of both worlds
*It's civilized again* xaxaxa
Haha
Hopefully you see this post…. I recently installed a pair of downpipes on my M3 and I was thinking about installing the same mid pipe kit that you did.
The question that I have is this, will my vehicle pass emission with this system attached to my stock competition exhaust?
I love your videos and I hope to hear back from u soon
You won’t pass with downpipes
@@TommyLGarage don’t tell me that….🥲. The downpipes that I purchased where the Arm Catted downpipes so hopefully with that plus the vrsf mid pipe it will pass, if not it’s back to square one ….🥲🥲🥲
Put the good tips on the standard exhaust
KFC I’ve got a better solution pretty soon :)
Where’d you get the rear diffuser from? It looks great
Agency Power
Just add a burble tune, it'll make it pop when you want it ;)
Bl1ndskater6 will do that. Gotta get rid of my OFT
Thanks for another great vid - the sound really sucks on this car!
I had a non-CP 2016 M3 which I got rid of and now have 2018 CP - the burbles and sound are amazing when in Neutral / Parked but when your driving in Sport + its not loud at all. Love the car but sound is killing me - dont want to tune it just for sound and risk warranty. AA midpipe and Remus axelback is what i was planning.
RNM AutomotiveAddiction haha yup you feel my pain! I wish these cars had V8 engines
Tom, what did you do to those exhaust tips? Are they factory tips you heat treated? If so, did you use just a torch or did you send them off? The tips look pretty awesome, as does the painted muffler, I like that idea.
Ezekial Crowe those are large bms black tips which burned at the tips after the first track day I took them to. I kind of like that!
Great vids Tommy. I just picked up a 18' M3 ZCP 6MT. Of all the exhaust combinations, which do you think is the best for sound, burbles, livable and no rasp. want something that's quiet when I want it to be and loud in Sport or Sport+. I'm thinking the stock ZCP muffler with this mid pipe might be the right combination.
I think single AA midpipe is all you need.
I feel like it just sound okay, like the car wants to roar but it's not to its full potential yet.
Assion Ayikutu precisely. But I’ve got a fix coming my way :)
Ive got that aa pipe waiting for me to install also
John Arnold you’ll like it but won’t be blown away...
@@TommyLGarage i have the catless dp already so it's a bit louder as it is.
Late to the show, Forgot to ask... What about aftermarket downpipe with midpipe and OEM muffler? i think that be too much drone , right? I think it sounds perfect, can you hear turbos spooling at idle...what happens when you drive at low speeds and let it of the gas? same sound? Pozdrawiam!
Downpipe is the way to go and no drone with oem mid and muffler. But most are catless so that’s a no no for me. But they do give you the biggest horsepower gain
@@TommyLGarage thing is, I don't think it's worth extra 10hp.... If there be 25 to 45hp gain. Yeah. Stock Downpies flow very nicely. I just want the best a bit louder so I think midpipes are the way to go.
Great video!!!
Zachary Tennant thanks!
Can you do a rear diff oil change please...
mymotorcave will do! Just added it to my video to do list
Sounds great! What tips are those again?
Cyba. Thanks !
Did you notice any exhaust smell with the AA midpipe? I am looking to install the new equal length AA midpipe with a Zcp muffler and stock DP’s. Thanks
No smell since I retained downpipe cats
Hey! Very nice sound Tom, i want to upgrade my m4.
You have had remapped to get the pop and bangs? In this case what u use?
You change the down pipes? or only the AA mid pipe?
Congrats you have a awesome car!!
Just midpipe and burbles are oem since it is comp
Good video. I was debating this or catted dp's but this looks like the way to go. I prefer less noise so it sounds like keeping stock exhaust is the way to go. What kind of difference did you notice is spool up and pull?
Significant spool difference. I love it
@@TommyLGarage mid-pipe has been sitting in the garage all summer. Boating season is wrapping up and time to get this on before a track day. Thanks for the excellent video. It should be easier with the quickjack.
@@Steven-xj2rf great to hear!!
I think it sounds really good, I’m real picky when it comes to a exhaust on the M3/4 I think I’m going to go this route for sure. If you want it a little louder do you think putting downpipes will work? Are you running the m performance muffler or the stock m3 muffler ?
Always In Motion oh yes. Downpipes will make it sound significantly louder. I will not do that. I’d like to keep the cats. And the rear is a Comp Pack muffler
Does the straight pipes invalidate your warranty and expels more exhaust fumes into the atmosphere......so much for saving the planet 🤔
No they do not void the warranty. And I still have the catalytic converter’s it’s just they are situated on the down pipes
Hey Tommy, I've been trying to decide between pairing catless downpipes with AA Single Midpipe or AA Equal Length Resonated Midpipe. Comparison videos online don't really do it justice. So have you heard these setups in person and how do you feel about the both of them?
Catless downpipes will create drone which I hate. Single midpipe is the way to go if you want to eliminate high pitch and rasp.
Quick question....the exhaust clamps that slide and connect the Active Mid-Pipe to the Comp muffler, did that come with the Active Mid-Pipe? Where can I buy just those clamps? I will need them if I ever need to go back to stock before selling the car. I am guessing so would you since you have cut the stock piping. Thanks.
Ricky These came with the midpipe. I forgot what diameter they are but you can easily get them on Amazon or you can call the company and They will send you an extra set for a price of course
Hey Tommy more power to you!! Quick question are you selling your used Active Autowerke midpipe & Muffler exhaust?? Just curious!
Alberto Guinto thanks!!
Sorry sold :(
Great video! Do you still have the signature setup? Are you keeping it? I’m interested.
Sold it. It was crap !
So I just ordered the AA Mid-Pipe. How do you think it will sound with my MPE? I am hoping like hell it does not make it raspier or that tin canny noise. Want a deeper sound. Thanks.
Ricky deeper sound should be downpipes. Although the midpipe will help too
I have a non-CP m3 with stock exhaust and valves always open. I recently bought a separate CP rear muffler and am about to jump on the AA midpipe. You seem like an unbiased reviewer, not afraid to admit when you don't like something. So my question is: In your opinion, is the buzziness at WOT largely eliminated from this setup? I'm comfortable with the current volume I have with valves open, just trying to eliminate that swarm of bees buzzing sound at WOT. Was curious if you had enough seat time with this setup to form an opinion on it before i blow $1000 on a midpipe. Thanks in advance!
r8spyder42 so I am happy to confirm that the swarm of bees is gone. They’ve mutated and have not become deeper sounding - think of it as bees who went through puberty :)
It is much better than stock but not perfect. You may need to tune your car to get the burbles and deep sound but I’m sure you will be happy. I will be putting in a different muffler soon and will report back.
@@TommyLGarage thanks for the feedback. I personally don't care for the off throttle burbles, am more focused on tone. Just ordered the midpipe. Good news is if I don't like it they seem to be a hot seller on the forums. Appreciate your help 👍👍
r8spyder42 I’m sure you’ll love it. It won’t be a v8 sound but much improved
Can you provide a link for the exhaust tips you have?
Do you need a tune for this and will it set of a check engine light?
No tune and no check engine light!
@@TommyLGarage awesome thanks!
Hi Tommy could you not achieve the same with just cutting out the secondary cats?
Similar but not same. Single design midpipe gives you a distinctive sound
Unrelated but does your clutch feels jumpy/soft ? I feel like mine isn't as strong and smooth as it should be . Im @42k miles
Yes. Very soft.
@@TommyLGarage ahh thought I might need a clutch . I guess it takes awhile to get used to the 1st/2nd gears on these . My 335i clutch felt waaaaayyyy different
@@BIMMERLEAGUE for sure. This is almost too easy.
Hey Tommy, did you do a dyno with the AA pipe only? I know you had a video with the tune but looking for stock config with AA dyno. Thanks.
RT in Livermore I haven’t done it it yet. I’ll do it once I get my other muffler in
Reason: I did some quick math from what I remember in fluid dynamics, the AA 3" tube theoretical calculation is more restrictive than two of the 2.5" stock tubes. I simply calculated the volume of gas that can occupy both for a given length. Also because I am in the market for a mid pipe...Thanks and looking forward to the dyno results!
It’s strange modern bmw requires you to cut the muffler off the midpipe to swap. Previous gens you simply unbolt
Yup. They make it harder to modify.
Did u get a check engine light when u did that?
Nope. No sensors were affected
where did you get the tips? looks awesome
Bryan Hsiao BMS Black tips which burned at the end after their first track day. I love the way they came out!
Did you say you took out the cat along with the resonator? If so, smog issues?
The cats remain on the downpipes so no issues at all
What was the total amount of time it took to remove and install the new exhaust from beginning to end?
I would say two hours
Have a question when did you installed vrsf exhaust did you have Downpipes installed too or the catalytic was in the car !
Kerols Shafik I don’t understand the question. Can you please elaborate?
I mean in that video did the downpipe was installed or it was the oam catalytic was installed !
Iam in California that why iam asking can I get that sound with only mid pipe or I have to install Downpipes cataless.
Tommy - is your EL MP resonated or non-resonated?
It’s not EL. It is AA
@@TommyLGarage ahhh.. ok.. i was looking for equal length by Active ..dang
Tommy how much volume did the car pick up over stock doing just the midpipe?
It got a bit louder but only at full throttle. I would absolutely do it again.
Thank you. Last question.
Have you ridden in a stock car with only catless downpipes?
If so, how would you compare the volume between this set up and just the midpipe on stock downpipes?
I have just catless downpipes and the volume is similar to what you described
@@ryanp7219 yes. Catless downpipes created wayyyyyy too much drone for my liking
Same volume between the two setups you’d say? Minus the drone
@@ryanp7219 pretty much
quick question, how do you pass NJ emissions inspection without the catalytic converter?
I still have the oem Downpipe on which has a cat
@@TommyLGarage thanks for the reply TLG, can you take a snap of this mod, did you bring to a shop for the cuts, I don;t have the tools.. also in NJ
Dude do the mpe, it really is best you’re going to get the s55 to sound, check my vids on my chan. Btw what are you doing with the tune? I ended up ordering the OFT, I have a dct so hopefully throttle mapping is ok
sam cas I’ve got something else up my sleeve ;)
When it comes to OFT I loaded their latest tune last night and it’s not perfect. Power is there but burbles are gone. They can’t seem to get it right.
Tommy L Garage that’s a shame to hear. I’m going to request a map that they leave the oe zcp burble table alone and hopefully that works. Half the reason I didn’t want to go bm3 is because I cbb with all that can of worms burble adjustment. I just want a tuner to leave the oe burble untouched. When you flash back your stock map, did you experience any issues, did it go back to 100% stock?
sam cas I told him to leave it alone and he said he did. Well - it still was affected so I think I’m done with it this time.
For now I’m running a modified stock map that only includes cold start delete and rev matching in all modes. Other than that it’s all stock. I really like it like that.
sam cas, what video? I currently have the MPE and am thinking of adding the AA Mid-Pipe. Yet to see a video in that configuration. Thanks.
@@Californification i've never seen that setup either. most do the fabspeed midpipe to get rid of the rasp and add more sound to the mpe as it bolts right up - the AA will mean you have to cut up your mpe. Having had a euro spec e46 m3, i kinda like the rasp at top of rev range, and the roll of dice fitment on the fabspeed is worrying for what they charge - i kept going back n forth over whether to give it a go myself with all these BF sales lol
Don't forget your safety glasses while operating machinery everyone :)
dayrinni lasite nice catch. I forgot them this time :(
Where can I find the clamps to hold midpipe & muffler ?
AA sells them
How will you pass emission inspection without the catalytic convertor?
chgsupra1 there are still cats on the downpipe. Besides here in NJ new car inspection is good for 5 years
car has two cats - dp and resonator and as long as he has primary he should pass? I'm just gonna put stock dps back on whenever i need emission
What’s in your mind for your next video?
Alberto Guinto wait two weeks and you shall find out :)
Any issues passing emissions inspection with the AA mid-pipe.
Ricky none at all. This apparently even passes in CA.
Stock downpipe right
Yes sir. No need for aftermarket
i have a question about your cellphone holder, which one is it? maybe give us a link?
SpiritTracks95 I’ll do it shortly. I’ll also do a video on the three that I use. Will ping you when the links are up in the description
@@TommyLGarage thanks and i love how your car sounds now! :P
Are you running decatted down pipes?
no; OEM downpipes
If you want sound and performance get e60 m5 V10 or the F10 M5. The engine for the M3 is good but somehow not design to sound what I think you are looking for. Just saying and no disrespect. Love the performance of the M3 but like you not happy with the sound of the exhaust.
I agreed. Nicely said
@@TommyLGarage Hahaha thanks I'm waiting till bmw bring back the V10 or even V12 engine. But that's just a dream 😁
Hey tommy, what kind of exhaust set up do you think it’s the best for non ZCP m3
Dreaming Pilot time will tell. Right now I really like downpipes with a Dinan muffler (my buddy has that setup)
Tommy L Garage thnx
Tommy, how did you figure 1.5"? Is that in the instructions that come with the mid-pipe? Thanks.
Ricky yes. That’s what the manual says. It’s just enough space to slide the clamps over.
Now, if you do a bit more or less it won’t be a big issue. There’s some room to play
@@TommyLGarage Just realized something. The 1.5" measurement from the weld is for the stock exhaust. Since I have the MPE, that measurement may be different. Will need to lay them side by side to figure that out. Sucks.
Ricky Nice catch ! I know for a fact the mpe is different.
Lucky for me, I always hold onto stock parts to put them back on when i sell the car :) So I can compare the 2. Will post the measurement once I find out. Thanks for your videos. The amount of DIY's I do, I should really do some videos as well but no time for video edits :) Thanks.
@@TommyLGarage Looks like I lucked out. Take a look at this video. Go to 2:16 mark and pause it. The "Y" section and the welds for the MPE seem to line up almost perfectly with the stock exhaust :) But regardless I will doublecheck before cutting but this is certainly very encouraging :)
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Will doing exhaust mods like mid pipes void your warranty?
Willy it depends on your dealer. It if it were to void somethings it’s just your exhaust warranty. It won’t affect the warranty on anything else
how did the black paint hold up on the mufflers?
It all came off :(
@@TommyLGarage :( i wanted to paint mine
Are you selling the other exhaust
Already sold sorry
So you decided to go from a true dual OEM piping exhaust to a single pipe Y pipe collector?? Why??? The OEM piping has much better air flow..
AlpineM3 from what I read the flow is the same except this one is not restricted by cats or resonators
What downpipes do u have?
greg papa Stock
What's a Greg papa down pipe ?
It looks to me that you are sitting about 9 inches too far back.
It’s fine
Will this setup void warranty ?
No it won’t
What type of high heat paint did you use?
I am redoing it with better paint. Stay tuned
Tommy L Garage let me know which brand you go with. I sanded my muffler, waiting to get a paint.
do you still have primary catalytic converters?
Max Correa yes I do. I’d like to keep them to breathe clean air around the car
@@TommyLGarage Thanks for the quick reply! I was just wondering if my 335 could get that burble with stock cats.
How'd you get that clock on your display
John Arnold it’s a screensaver option in my iDrive 5
@@TommyLGarage got it
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lmao plot twist!!
Amro Assaidi glad you watched till the end! Haha
He put mudguard on a M3. XD
Grace Lin paint protection :)
Hey. Im a gay from sweden and have a question ? Do you want to sell the loud exhoust ?
Almir Zapi hi I sold it. Thanks for watching!
Manual gearbox... 👎🏻
Erectile dysfunction 🍌
U messed up ur car lol
I did
Ogladnij sobie tak z ciekawosci . Lubie tego dziennikarza . Moze go widziales :)
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Andrzej Kwarcinski dzieki. Dałeś mi pomysł żebym coś po Polsku zrobił tez. Co myślisz najlepiej by było ?
@@TommyLGarage Ale dla Polakow mieszkajacych w USA czy dla Polakow mieszkajacych w Polsce
Andrzej Kwarcinski w sumie sam nie wiem. Co myślisz było by interesujące dla Polaków w Polsce ?
@@TommyLGarage O motoryzacji w US bo widze , ze to Twoja pasja i ciekawie mowisz dobry glos masz i jestes skromny nie pajacujesz - choc internet chyba lubi innych (jak chce sie miec duzo subskrypcji) . Jestes tez zlota roczka duzo sam robisz przy takim aucie . Opowiadaj o motoryzacji o spotkoaniach Waszych np na torach . U nas w Polsce to raczkuje . Ja tylko raz bylem na takim torze . A jak chcesz zawięzić temat to wlasnie o BMW . Chyba malo jest kanalow z USA w Polsce to tak na goraco co mi przyszlo do glowy . Sam jestem ciekaw jak jest naprawde w USA . Teraz TY dales mi do myslenia
Duzo u Was wlasnie jest pasjonatow takich z dziada pradziada np w motoryzacji (oczywiscie nie tylko ) , ktorzy prowadza warsztaty samochodowe - tuningowe ciekawe tematy
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Longines lai yes!
Does it drone inside the cabine?
Yes. A lot. I got rid of it
@@TommyLGarage you got rid of the AA midpipe? or the signature exhaust